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Light Emitting Silicon Steps It Up
h4mm3r writes "STMicroelectronics plans to announce a breakthrough on Monday in light-emitting silicon that could lead to a new generation of more powerful computing processors and more efficient automobile components as well as
potentially higher-speed optical data-transmission systems. (gotta register, free yadda yadda)"
No? Well, there you go.
... is the new acronym for Light Emitting Silicon.
Saab's newest 9-3 sport sedan has all of its electronics talking to each other over a fibre optic line - supposedly allowing more crap to be added later with greater bandwidth for cooler new features and stuff.
I don't really see how it will have an effect on me, but I think it is a cool idea in general.
Saab is owned by GM, soi I don't know if it is a trend that all of GM is heading towards, or if Saab is somehow special.
There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
Light-Emitting Silicon Shines Much Brighter in New Invention
Why can't slashdot become a partner to NYT?
If you don't want to give google false page hits there's always majcher
Being able to integrate light emitting semiconductor devices together with electronic circuits is one of the holy grails of the semiconductor industry. Not only would the benefit come to increasing the speed of processors, optoelectronic devices would benefit greatly from this technology through integration. The cost savings and increased functionality would be incredible. Can't wait for it to become a reality.
"It's comin' back around again..." -RATM
I'm more curious about whether this could make photo-sensor diodes (read: solar cells) more efficient as well. That could lead to widely used poly-silicon being a reasonable alternative to Gallium Arsenide as far as power (whereas now, it's used solely due to cost).
120V 20A will make almost any chip glow!
Can someone in the know please explain what this is all about and the advantages? As usual, this article is aimed at dummies and features an indistinguishable mix of buzzwords interspersed with appropriate amounts of techie lingo, for effect. Why does a Sun designer describe it as "the holy grail" and what will it buy us? Thanks in advance...
I like this bit in the article:
"The first applications of the new technology will be to build power control devices in which the control circuitry is electrically isolated from the power switching devices, the company said. Currently such isolation can only be achieved by using external components, adding bulk and cost to designs."
Are they trying to re-invent opto-isolators?
Sounds like yet another PR job - the article speaks of nothing that is really new. Just shows whether you're an academic struggling for funding or a technocrat, the battle's about the benjamins.. How many of these have we seen? C'mon let's get real.
Great! Now strippers can do their own light shows! (Okay, it's silicon vs silicone, but shhhhh, it's funnier that way)
One of the things this article really doesn't elaborate on is just how difficult the road has been to make efficient light emitting silicon. I had a professor as an undergraduate at the University of Rochester who spent a significant amount of time trying to get it to work. The article doesn't go into the technology, but I'm guessing they're using porous silicon. Porous-Si has small nanometer scale pores in (etched via electochemistry). The pores effectively alter the band gap of the silicon, increasing it to that of the compound light-emitting semiconductors such as GaAs. While this technique works well at generating light, the problem is getting it to generate light efficiently. Hence the exotic rare-earth materials such as erbium. I'm impressed that STMicroelectronics was able to increase the light output 100-fold. Extravagent claims such as these make me want to take a wait-and-see attitude. The process might be so difficult that it wont be practicle on high-performance chips for some time. Also, the processing techniques of light emitting silicon is different than for standard logic. I'd like to see how well these two processes can be merged.
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Okay, does this mean the option of Glowing Breasts for women who have implants?
These processors are going to be useless to photographers that develop their own film using computers. The film has to be processed in a dark environment, and a light-emitting processor could damage or even totally ruin delicate undeveloped photographs. However, with film photography going the way of the dinosaur due to the advances in digital photography, it probably won't matter too much.
Does this mean that part of the heat from the CPU will be light in the future? No more "monitor glow", more like "computer glow"... perhaps if different parts had different colours, e.g. floating point = green, integer = blue, cachemiss = red. Then you would know what part of your code to optimize without running a profiler: "It's all green and f**king slow, make your inner loops fixed point, dumbass!" :)
Here's something else (only slightly different):E G20021028S001 4
http://siliconstrategies.com/story/O
Basically, LEDs use Gallium and some other material because Silicon is horribly inefficient at photo-applications (its a electron band-gap thing, ask a physicist), but because its so cheap and GaAs is very not cheap, they still use polycrystalline Si for large solar cells.
Unfortunately, Leds are just too dim when silicon is used, so Gallium and whatever else (depends on wavelength) is still necessary there. By getting efficient light emitting Silicon, a whole pantload of money gets saved by avoiding Gallium.
End note: Why is Si cheaper than Ga? Refinement is more complex for Ga, Si is much more plentiful, and it hard to make large wafers of GaAs. Plus GaAs oxide (don't know the formula) is liquid at room temperature, so the only demand is photo applications (and stressed Si) because making IC with just GaAs means you can't use a liquid GaAs-oxide as a mask/gate/whatever.
This sounds like what they're going to be doing at first... The article points out that current opto-isolators need to be made with external components, whereas these would be made as a monolithic device. Still, opto-isolators are fairly cheap. I wonder how STMicroelectronics plans on selling these for cheaper. Eventually, I think the long term goals for this technology (if it proves to be really useful) is for use in high-performance logic chips. The problem with clocking large scale chips (such as CPUs) is that the clock signal has to arrive at all the gates at the exact same time. This is actually a very big challenge because resistance*capacitance slows things down. Trying to propagate a signal all the way across a chip to a large number of gates means that you need large driver transistors to supply the large current necessary. With optical clocking, you eliminate the RC time delay. You simply need to generate a pulsed optical signal and then make conduits across the chip to channel it to all the gates.
Of course, I'm guessing that is not as easy as it seems, which is why STMicroelectronics is making simple devices like opto-isolators. It could be several years before optical clocking is perfected.
No more need to buy cases with neon lights in them... just grab the latest motherboard from your favorite mobo manufacturer and voila :)
But in all seriousness, after I saw the article a while back (on slashdot) with something about optical traces on a motherboard in about 5 years from now, it had me very intrigued. I mean if you can shave a few nanoseconds from every bus cycle that's gotta be worth 10% increase in performance eventually. Especially on a clawhammer/sledgehammer where you've eliminated the north bridge part of the chipset.
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well now, let us see.. 100 times ZERO. Maybe that "new math" we all learned can help us with this.
Please forgive this post, I am a bitter III/V (read GaAs et al) guy
They don't have to sell their opto-isolators cheaper. They can just manufacture them cheaper, claim they're better in some way or other, and sell them at the same price. People will buy the "new better" technology and they'll turn more profit than the existing opto-isolator manufacturers.
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The AC that replied to you pointed out the possible benefits for solar cells, but...
The reason the Sun designer described it as "the holy grail" is timing circuitry on CPU's. What's the figure, something like 75-80% of a CPU is dedicated to timing circuitry? Think about what happens when you replace all that timing circuitry with a light pulse, and just pick it up wherever you need it. Eliminate all the wiring currently used to distribute the timing, and you get lower power, tons more silicon to devote to other things, and probably the potential for speed gains.
When will the case modders start filling up thier cases with light-emitting silicon?
Wow, sorry but I need to correct you on a bunch of points.
Gallium Arsenide (not gallium) is used to make a variety of LED and semiconductor lasers. Silicon is unattractive for light-emitting applications because it has an indirect bandgap, making emission of photons much less efficient than in direct bandgap materials.
Making large wafer of GaAs is not so much a processing issue as a cost issue (i.e. how much would one wafer end up having to sell for, and would anyone at all even think of dropping that much money on one). HOWEVER, neither GaAs nor its native oxide(s) are liquid or even water-soluble at room temperature. You were perhaps thinking of Germanium. The problem with GaAs oxides is that they do not form into such nice layers as SiO2, and that they do not effectively passivate the GaAs surface such that MOSFETs cannot be fabricated. GaAs (and InP) and still widely used (in your cellphone for example), but in different ways than silicon and not nearly as widely as silicon.
People keep saying it'd be cool to see the 'flashing' of LES CPU's etc, or the blue green codeing guys comment. You do relize, they would be flipping so fast that you would not be able to see the change, just a glow.
Jesus saves, everyone else takes full damage from the fireball.
Sorry, I was thinking of pure gallium. But I stand by the large wafer remark. There's only one company I know of that can make and process >9" GaAs wafers with acceptable yield rates.
Light-Emitting Silicon Shines Much Brighter in New Invention
By JOHN MARKOFF
SAN FRANCISCO, Oct. 27 -- STMicroelectronics plans to announce a breakthrough on Monday in light-emitting silicon that could lead to a new generation of more powerful computing processors and more efficient automobile components as well as potentially higher-speed optical data-transmission systems.
The company, which is the world's third-largest chip maker, said that its researchers have succeeded in increasing the efficiency of light-emitting silicon 100-fold, for the first time making it comparable with conventional light-emitting diode materials like gallium arsenide. The first products are expected to reach the market later this year.
(Note: this article was not cut off. It's just very short.)
Ok, should read the story first...
Skip the NYTimes reg crap and read it here: STMicro claims light-emitting silicon breakthrough
On the receiving end, GaAs is sensitive (A/W) to a much wider range of wavelengths than Si. Silicon is sensitive perhaps up to 1100nm whereas GaAs is sensitive in the 1500nm range. The fiber optic media exhibit minimal loss in the 1500nm range, so GaAs is the appropriate choice for receiving signals.
I'm working on a GaAs project now, if you want to keep me company -- WRITE!
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Instead, a more reasonable assumption is that it is intended as humor. Now while various people might disagree as to how funny it might actually be, I think your troll moderation is, well, immoderate. Evidently, I am not alone, Quill_28, also raises the question, "How is this a troll". Subsequently someone has demonstrated for him, by marking the inquiry itself troll.
I have been getting moderater points fairly frequently. I try to use them with more care than this.
All my previous sigs now look like this one, I wish they were permanetly recorded when used.
Me too! I was hoping to hear about new LED light bulbs and they start talking about, y'know, geek stuff. What a bummer.
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Pure gallium is still solid at room temperature unless you have a particularly warm room.
What's cool is if you take a chunk of Gallium (solid) and Indium (solid) and sit them next to eachother, just touching. The combined alloy is liquid, so they slowly melt together.
Solar Cells == Photovoltaic Cells
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Solar Cells != Photo-Diodes
While both are PN junctions, insofar as the construction is concerned, photovoltaic cells actually produce a voltage, while photodiodes behave...differently.
When you have a photovoltaic cell, you need only connect a load to it to use EM energy for whatever work you need done.
With diodes, you have one PN junction (meaning P-type material on one side, and N-type material on the other.). To forward-bias the diode, you attach your positive voltage source to the P region, and your negative voltage source to the N region. This causes your electrons (called current carriers) to be pushed across the PN junction toward your positive voltage supply.
If you reverse-bias the diode, your current carriers will be drawn away from the PN junction, and almost no current, called leakage current, can cross.
All PN junctions are sensitive to light in that light striking silicon will produce current carriers(disclaimer: I'm only telling half the story...it can get confusion if you start considering "electron holes"...but if generation of free electrons bothers you, feel free.), wherever they strike. If they're particularly near the PN junction, they will serve to cause an increase in the leakage current, the external measurement of which is how the information is retrieved.
A rudimentary photodiode is simply a PN junction with a glass window.
There are all sorts of things you can do with semiconductors, doped or not. I keep seeing discussion proclaiming the downfall of semiconductors, but I wouldn't count on, say, quantum computing, to be able to function without supporting circuitry for the next twenty to thirty years. I hope to retire about then.
What's this Submit thingy do?
Anyone know what wavelength this device emits on?
What's this Submit thingy do?
Several have commented on how inefficient a silicon-based integrated device is at producing light as compared to other more optimal devices long perfected in the solid state physics world.
I find this quite entertaining for the simple reason that this same situation of efficiency mismatch was at the heart of the invention of the integrated circuit (invented independently by Jack Kilby at Texas Instruments and Robert Noyce (then at Fairchild, prior to starting Intel)). Jack Kilby in particular was struggling with the "tyranny of numbers problem." This was because,basically, prior to the coming of integration, trying to build useful circuits out of full-sized components and wire them all together was simply too complex to actually do in a practical way. Kilby needed to convince his boss to let him do an experiment where he would put more than one device together in a solid state material and he knew that TI had put a ton of effort into how to work with Silicon. He realized that even though Silicon was a "horrible" choice for making resistors and capacitors, that in fact it *could* be done and that combined with the fact that Silicon made great transistors, which are by far the most prevalent device in logic circuits, an efficient overall process might be reached. The electronics world of the time gave a collective laugh, thinking the use of non-optimal materials for the non-transistor components of this "ugly chunk of rock" was silly and that the process of making these "integrated chip things" would be way too expensive to compete with traditional circuits. We all know how things turned out. -TitaniumTurtle
STMicroelectronics Sets World Record for Silicon Light Emission
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solar cell == photovoltaic cell == photo-diode
A solar cell is just one that is optimized for low cost, meter-sized junctions.
> A rudimentary photodiode is simply a PN junction with a glass window.
Yeah, so what the f is a solar cell then?
I think you are talking about operating a photodiode in reverse-bias mode. You can also operate them in forward-bias mode[i.e. like a solar cell]. Check your local friendly EE for details.
and therefore the last real Saab left the assembly line sometime in '94. After that they're just another domestic abortion with domestic quality control.
Like Jag... Volvo....ect...
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Forgot to mention that. And you have a point.
After all, I'm just in college, learning to be an EE.
I can't wait until the plastic surgeons gets their hands on this.
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Think about the possibilities:
1. You approach a fine specimen of the femal gender
2. She doesn't like you and her boobs starts flashing RED (Time to get out of Dodge)
3. Or she likes you and green is all you see!
I guess that will make a geeks life easier or
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Are they trying to re-invent opto-isolators?
Yep. They did. See their web site. (Sorry, don't have time to copy the link from another posting...)
But when THEY make an opto-isolator they put the emitter(s) and the detector(s) on the same chip, getting the alignment between them by using the same set of masks. Then they convert the region between the two sides into silicon Dioxide (also known as "glass") to form a VERY GOOD transparent insulator without disturbing the alignment.
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I've had light emitting silicon for years, though I admit it is not quite as flexible as this newer technology.
Most of you probably do and don't even know it. Simply remove your Athlon heatsink, and for a brief period, the chip will emit a reddish glow.
It is pretty, but DO NOT touch.
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Hehehe... pretty cool story. If only it were true. At least you managed to remain slightly on topic.
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They won't be making individual opto-isolators. They can use this LES to integrate isolators onto the chip. They'll have a single chip with power devices and logic devices completely electrically isolated.
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I stand corrected.
Thanks very much.
InGaAs it is indeed that corresponds to the 1550nm optic fibers I'm working with.
Ever done any work with Erbium-doped waveguides, acting as optical amplifiers?
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