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New Lord of the Rings Trailer
An anonymous reader writes "Apple is hosting the new trailer for Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. Of course, the trailer is in quicktime. Looks pretty darn good, in my opinion."
I just finished the 4th disc on FotR, and am ready for TTT to be out now!
As nice as seeing the movie is, if you still haven't, read the book! It's worth it :-)
:-)
Signed: an old-fashioned geek
What kind of news is this? I skimmed it and thought there was a new trailer, got my hopes up, watched it, got mad. Instead it's just that the trailer I've watched 100 times is being hosted by Apple? Even that is weeks-old news. Why is this on Slashdot?
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This is not a new trailer. It has been out for quite a while, at least a month, but probably several.
To play this crap in linux:
l ine/lordoftherings/TheTwoTowers-tlr_fs.l.mov"
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1. wget "http://progressive.stream.aol.com/newline/gl/new
2. Follow instructions on http://mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/tech/qt-libwine-howto.tx
I'm not sure it will work, but it's worth a try...
I have this very same trailer on my computer. Have had it for a long time now. Slashdot is only about 1.5 months late with this one ;)
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Yep, that's what I did on my nice new 17" LCD iMac. I *clicked* and it ran :-)
No matter where you go... there you are.
For one thing, it's made of more than three books, but it's actually just one long big book in three popular parts. There's something in the forward of the books about this. A Tryptych would be a more accurate description.
When you buy the movie or go to see it, you're intent is to watch a good quality movie. You do make a point, I'm paying $7.50 for my movie ticket and some of that is going to go into limiting my rights, but I'm not worrying about that, I just want to see the movie with my fiance.
And piracy? How can anyone stand those awful telesync's? I know, I know, there as a good quality FotR dvd rip out a month after the movie, but that is pretty rare.
It's called "Requiem of the Rings," and it's a mixture of Clint Mansell's Requiem for a Dream and some LOTR sounds. The maker is Ajax Projection and they used to have it up for download. It then moved to War of the Ring but now it's gone from there too. But I'm sure you know where else to look.
Wrong! If you don't go watch the movie, the MPAA will assume that you have watched a bootleg copy at home, thereby enforcing their belief that DRM needs to be implemented.
Catch 22, my friend, Catch 22.
.. so if you haven't read the book already (what kind of a geek are you?) but are watching the movies, then DON'T WATCH THIS TRAILER, IT'LL SPOIL IT FOR YOU.
What were they thinking?
Belief is the currency of delusion.
Isn't it funny how the same people who complain about movie and recording industry "fatcats" are the same ones that slobber over the newest trailer for a series of movies that cost hundreds of millions of dollars to produce?
Sorry, I meant of course $200,000,000. Still cheap for three major movies.
whew! good thing i plan to use my roommate's printer, scanner, and paper to forge us some tickets! then i get to see the movie, avoid supporting the MPAA and void the argument that the only way to see a new release for free is to watch a bootleg. don't worry, some day i'll buy dvd to make up for the studio's loss.
fear is the mind killer
Oh, for crying out loud, can we please stop seeing this post modded up to +5 insightful every single time there's an article about a good movie or CD?
There is no inconsistency between (a) enjoying the creative work of the artists who make these movies and music, and (b) decrying the oppresive tactics of the "executives" who both corrupt the laws of the varying nations to protect their stranglehold on content and rip off the artists who actually create the content.
So yes, enjoy the film, continue to complain about the actions of the suits, and understand that doing one is not the opposite of the other.
not that I disagree, because, for the most part, I don't. However, do you honestly believe that it's your place to say? I doubt that most of the people who spend their lives indulging in these fantasy worlds care about the psychological motives behind doing so. I don't. I think that though fantasy worlds offer someone to unplug from the real world for the time being, isn't that something that all very popular activities have in common (video games, books, TV, movies for a start)? It's not just restricted to fantasy. When you open up the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, are you thinking about your wife who says that she's unhappy, or your kid who's doing poorly in school? Did your reading that one of the possible reasons the Roman Empire collapsed was widespread homosexuality somehow make you remember about the taxes that you weren't be able to pay? Whether it's fake or real, you can escape reality through almost any medium.
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Quicktime is as we all know the most crappy videoformat ever.
QuickTime is an API that defines a file format, not a codec. If you're not happy with the output of whatever codec you're using, use a better codec (or more likely, learn how to tune the one you're using for your subject matter).
It's bloated, and has a ugly player which you can't replace.
You do realise that QuickTime (the API) is not the same as QuickTime Player (the app)?
If you want to write a better movie player on top of QuickTime, knock yourself out - there used to be several such things on the Mac, all using the same API calls as the official player (QuickTime itself doesn't care - it's app agnostic).
Nae bother
Dude, I so disagree with you:
yes, there is [almost] nothing wrong with enjoying the movie.
But, I think you should be aware of who is getting your money, and how they are going to use it.
p.s. Have you ever noticed that posting to have something modded up or down is usually more effective than actually moding it up your self (assuming you have points).
Or even just asking to be modded in the text of your own message.
If you ask me thats F*ing retarded
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"I was entering my quest plans on a PC and it went, like, beep beep beep..."
OK, you know the rest.
But I heard that they might even be making a LIVE ACTION version of the Lord of the Rings! I heard Michael J. Fox would play Frodo!
Jesus, how can Slashdot be this far behind?
I just noticed that too.
But the important part is that some of the 12 related stories
have links to buying tickets.
I really hate Dan Patrick.
Of course, the trailer is in quicktime
So fucking what? You think I can't play it on Linux? You're wrong. MPLAYER is the solution.
LOTR *IS* the geek book and now it is being made into a movie. To me that is news for nerds, stuff that matters. Just because the MPAA is evil doesn't mean the director (in this case Peter Jackson) and the actors and everyone else that worked on the film didn't create a great work.
Since the RIAA has gone after music sharers and now they are making copy-protected cd's... I refuse to buy a cd ever again. The movie industry, while pissing me off with macrovision protection and regional encoding, they haven't actually gone after things that make dvd players regionless, they don't (or at least it hasn't come out that they do) rape the artists and keep all the money.
Because of the rise of prices, I now rarely go see a movie in theaters because it's too expensive. For 2 people to go see a movie in the theater, it costs just as much to buy the dvd when it comes out. And for those movies you don't think you'd like, just head over and rent it (or download it).
I love movies, there is no other way to boycott the MPAA than to avoid watching movies except when I go to a friends house to watch it. Movies just aren't prevelant enough on the internet to download and after spending a few hours to download movie if you have a bad quality version you just wasted a lot of time.
If there is really going to be any change, the media needs to show people affected by these things.
Back to the original poster, Peter Jackson is making a great movie about possibly the greatest literary work of the 20th century. And if you don't like it, go to your preference page and check off to exclude movie news. Then you don't have to put up with it anymore.
-Chris
Gibbon wrote his history in a day when we knew far less about the "Barbarians" than we do now, far less about the economics of the Roman Empire. The result was he had to construct a story, one in which (in fact) Christianity is the villain bringing the Empire into eventual decline. He may be right about this, I suspect it's a gross oversimplification, but whatever, when he actually wrote it, it was a story.
And what about Moby-Dick? Does all the technical stuff about whale-hunting in the mid-nineteenth century make it a solid factual read, or is it in fact an escapist account of adventures in a world alien to almost all its readers, and so a kind of science fiction?
Just because it's a troll, doesn't mean it doesn't deserve a response.
Panurge has posted for the last time. Thanks for the positive moderations.
Here is a direct link to the movie:
i ne/lordoftherings/TheTwoTowers-tlr_fs.l.mov
http://progressive.stream.aol.com/newline/gl/newl
This way you can save it to your hard disk (41MB) and not needlessly waste bandwidth (yours, your ISP's, or the host's) every time you want to see it. You can also share it with your friends that don't have broadband by cutting it to a CD. Enjoy.
Quicktime is just the format.
You can choose a plethora of codecs to use when making your quicktime movie, just like an avi or other such format.
You can even use the DV codec, which is why iMovie can capture so easily in realtime from your flashy firewire equipped camcorder without nailing the CPU - it doesn't have to do too much processing.
Hell, if you want you can use mpeg4 although this is only supported in Quicktime 6 (download the player free from apple).
They also used it in Photo Guy.. at least int he copy I watched.
I suspect, though, given that the first half was the soundtrack from American Beauty and the last was straight out of Requiem for a Dream, that it was just something the pirate kiddies added in on a pre-released version with no soundtrack.
Well, you couldn't just film the Silmarillion. It's a recounting of the main points of a long legend, not a story per se. But certain parts of it could be fleshed out into narratives of their own; there's quite a lot of cool source matierial there.
Everyone knows that damage is done to the soul by bad motion pictures. -Pope Pius XI
I'm not entirely sure this is relevant, but it's an interesting tidbit nonetheless.
The best reports are that New Line spent about half a billion dollars making and promoting The Lord of the Rings, all three films, and that includes money budgeted but not yet spent on promotion and advertising for the last movie. Of that half a billion, about $300 million went into making the movies themselves. The $500 million figure includes all the cost of making, distributing, promoting, and showing the movies; basically, the studio's total costs.
According to boxofficemojo.com, The Fellowship of the Ring has made about $860 million worldwide for New Line since its release last year. That's only gross revenue to the studio generated by movie theaters; it doesn't include DVD sales or any other sources of revenue.*
The punchline: if nobody in the world buys a ticket for the next two movies, New Line still will have made about a 72% profit on the Lord of the Rings. They could put The Two Towers and The Return of the King on a shelf, finished but unreleased, and still have made a fortune.
* Historically, the ratio of worldwide box office receipts to worldwide revenues from all media is about 1:1.5. In other words, for every dollar of box office gross, a movie can be expected to generate about $1.50 in video sales, rentals, TV rights, book and toy tie-ins, and so on.
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Somebody wasted a mod point. This is not interesting. There is not copy protection on the extended DVD set, apart from Macrovision and CSS that's on virtually every DVD.
I copied discs one and two to my girlfriend's iBook so she could watch them on the plane on the way to her uncle's house. No problems. Works fine. Just like every other DVD.
(Had to clean off nearly 20 GB to make the damn things fit, though. Hope she doesn't need MS Office until she gets back.)
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Not a troll, but *why* is Arwen in The Two Towers?? Are those supposed to be flashbacks for Aragorn? I hope so, because I shudder to think about how would they work in a quick trip back to Rivendell just to justify Tyler's presence in the movie!
I loved the production design and art direction of the first movie, but some of the character portrayals made me sad. And I still haven't figured out why Jackson is pushing Arwen so much. Is it really his interpretation of the story or did someone tell him to make the movies more romantic to appeal to a wider audience than those who have read the books?
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Of course if a Microsoft format had been used we'd see streams of anti-Microsoft hate invoking antitrust etc etc. When it is Apple's format that they don't have the courtesy of releasing a *nix player for its all "yay for the underdog!"
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You also finance the artists and directors who make the effort to give us a decent picture instead of the next Home Alone dribble.
When I pay for my movie tickets, I'm not concerned about how I'm going to watch it on DVD months later because I'm not forced into any DRM agreements there. I'm paying for my tickets because they cover my current entertainment that the transaction represents. It's the guy in the back with the camcorder and his connection to the guy selling the movie on the street that's causing the management to be nervous. He's akin to the average KaZaa'er.
Worry about your DVD playability later when the DVD hits the shelves. But please, while about them if you're truly being infringed on and not if you are deciding that you are entitled to rip a DVD because your friend paid for it. Sorry, but I know too many people who have MP3s for music they do not own and download ripped movies that they do not own. I'm pretty sure the whole reason movie/music downloading is so popular is that it is being abused by a majority that has no right to it. If you're among them, you are no better than petty thieves; have fun leeching off humanity. Just because you *can* rip it doesn't necessarily make it right for *you* to rip it. And by giving yourself the right to perform something illegal against someone else, I see no reason someone else can't do the same to you.
For pete's sake, how do you expect people to respond when you walk into their house and steal from under their nose? You have to identify yourself before you can walk in. Now, thanks to those without morals, we who follow the rules get to deal with DRM to go into that house of entertainment. Who wants to finance a decent picture when they know the public will rip them off in exchange for their work rather than applaud them? That's when we end up with formula pictures like Home Alone 17.
"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master."
Unfortunately, those without scruples will take this large profit from the first movie to mean that the studio and actors are no longer entitled profits from the next two movies for their work on those two movies. All the more reason for them to download the DVD files of the movie and the MP3s for the soundtrack off the net without ever having paid their share, or so they believe. With so many people willing to casually perform acts of petty thievery it's no wonder things are as screwed up as they are.
The article before this titled "Attempts To Stop Music Sharing Pointless?" may be right, though. The ultimate weapon against stealing has always been keeping your morals in place and I see no attempt at people trying to bolster that.
"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master."
From the sounds of your impatience, I really doubt you will sit in the theatre for the full 10 hours it would take to do the story justice. If you really want a short summary of the story, I'm sure there's some Cliff Notes around for you to enjoy...but that would take the effort of going to the book store.
"Amazing, that for a people with nothing to do on a rainy Sunday afternoon, we feverishly clamor for immortality."
"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master."
Must ... wait ... till ... December ... 18th.
This is also discussed on this week's Roger Ebert Movie Answer Man.
I'm just asking because I'd never noticed music from one movie being used in another. Very strange.
Jeez, I noticed that trailers use music from previously released movies about 15 years ago, they allways use music from other movies.
If its a comedy, listen for the soundtrack from Beetlejuice, if its action, the one from The Rock (alcatraz, not the wrasller).
I've been told that Dark City used its own music in the trailers, that's the only one I know of that did.
No need to get all angry at them, its just a trailer you know. I think they mostly do it because the music isn't allways done in time for the teasers and the trailers (I know that they finished the music for the crappy "reimagining" of Planet of the Apes about 2 weeks before its release). As far as copyrights are concerned, they either use music from their own studios (they own them) or they pay for 'em. No biggie.
You can't take the sky from me...
I've seen FOTR in theatres (with several guests)
three times, and will certainly see TTT and ROTK
similarly. I downloaded FOTR while waiting for
the 4-disc set to come out, and if I feel like
downloading TTT and ROTK, I damn well will.
It's about the freedom, stupid.
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It's about the freedom, stupid.
Freedom to take without permission. I love it. Only in America.
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I think entitlement is the word of the day (week, year?) here. Pretty sad.
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That's total ticket sales. Half that money goes to the theaters.
As I understand it, the numbers reported as "box office grosses" are studio grosses, not theater grosses. The figures come from the total amount of money paid to the distributor on a given day, weekend, or (in this case) interval.
I won't swear that this is true, but I understand it to be so. If I'm wrong, then oops.
Also, I'd be stunned if Jackson, or anybody else, was getting gross points. Points on the net, sure, but gross points?
(That said, I have been stunned before, so it's not impossible.)
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That's NOT what freedom is about, stupid, and that still doesn't make it right for you to do it. "While waiting for my car to arrive at the dealer, I decided I'd drive around town in other people's cars and even kept a few." Sounds as stupid as what you are doing. I don't understand how you justify it.
"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master."
Your 50% figure for the theater isn't quite right -- it's more like 20% in the early weeks when most people go to see it. The cut gradually rises to ~50% after 5-6 weeks, when the theatre is half-full or less.
From a friend who ran one, the theaters are totally dependant on popcorn and candy to turn a profit, hence the whacko prices. (Popcorn has an even bigger margin than soda.) Here's an overview.
My peeve is that box office totals are never adjusted for inflation, so the term "blockbuster" doesn't mean a whole lot in comparison to a film 20 years ago like Star Wars. On the other hand, the studios have grown much savvier about wringing every last penny out of a film, from product placements to marketing tie-ins to figurines.
I have no doubt LOTR will be a cash cow. It's like the next Star Wars, a tightly threaded trilogy. Or maybe more -- anyone else read the Silmarillion ? (It has been 30 years since I did.) Can you say "prequel"?
Washington, DC: It's like Hollywood for ugly people.
The One Ring.net are reporting that Jackson gets 10M + 5% of gross.
Ho. Lee. Shit.
(If you're doing the math at home, that comes to $53 million for Fellowship alone. And that doesn't even count the bragging rights. "Nyaah, nyaah, I made The Lord of the Rings and you didn't, nyaah, nyaah." Not bad for five years' work.)
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Well, OK, how about an animated version?
I do remember it was quite a slog to read, but LOTR wasn't light reading. I wonder how many people will or have read the books, and understand the difference? There was a very funny thread here about the number of people overheard in the theater who didn't know it was a trilogy and were pissed that the movie ended so abuptly; who were annoyed they'd "have to wait a year to find out what happens next"; or who didn't even know the movie was based on a book.
And before any wiseass corrects me, I do realize that LOTR is technically not a trilogy, that was just a marketing feint.
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Gibbon wrote his history in a day when we knew far less about the "Barbarians" than we do now, far less about the economics of the Roman Empire. The result was he had to construct a story, one in which (in fact) Christianity is the villain bringing the Empire into eventual decline. He may be right about this, I suspect it's a gross oversimplification, but whatever, when he actually wrote it, it was a story.
The transformation of the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire and then in the Roman Christian Empire was not so much a tale of military defeat but instead a gradual yet systematic progression. Urban centres that had endured for centuries disappeared "overnight" -- well, within a generation or two. Mostly this was not a result of warfare, but of a change in people's perceptions of what was important. A lot of this was due to the immigeation into the Roman Empire of people from the north of Europe who didn't share the same fasciunation with communal property and urban tithes. The cultural division between the the Gallo-Romans and the Carolingian/Merovingian Franks in what became France is a classic example of this change and the difficulties both "sides" had in evolving a common set of laws acceptable to all members of both communities.
The rise of a version of Christinaity to eminence within the Roman Empire was an effect of a growing tendency towards centralization, coupled with a general shift in people's attitudes from a simple, direct relationship with nature (animism) to a complex system of Pagan (then Christian) hierarchies and moral sensibilities. Between 50AD-250AD saw a huge growth in the complexity and depth of Pagan philosophies (the Stoics, etc) as well as Christian philosophies.
It's a lot easier and sexier to imagine that the Roman Empire broke up because of barbarian invasion. The more comprehensive account of its gradual transformation, and the of the people from Animism through Paganism into Christians, is best told not in war-obsessed works such as Gibbons' but instead in something like History of Private Life: From Pagan Rome to Byzantium .
In many ways the decline of the British Empire will seem similar in centuries to come. Sustained by small-scale military endevours, except for the war against the 13 Colonies the UK never fought a sustained campaign against any of its colonies that demanded independence. Instead, it slowly withdrew from them. Imagine India and Zimbabwe a century from now... they will have very little in common except for their past membership of the British Empire. But they will share some common language similarities (British English) and some cultural institutions. So it was in far-flung sections of the Roman Empire that began to evolve and acculturate their inherited Latin into regional dialects and local laws and customs.
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That's a common theory, but Tolkien said in one of his letters that Elves didn't repeat names -- when he was asked about this specific one he reiterated the rule, and had to admit that it was a hole.
He never precisely explained, but I recall there being a letter in which he speculated about rebirth or resurrection having been the cause (he used resurrection elsewhere).
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I think "I don't give a rat's anus for your
fallacious self-serving justification of
extortion" is the operative phrase. After
shelling out a few hundred to support an
organization that is actively pursuing the
rape of the public domain and the suppression
of free speech, I think I've done more than
my share to support the art that I am
consuming, and I unilaterally claim a
comprehensive right to unlimited use of this
material in my home, where, by the way,
I have the right to privacy and what I do
is none of your flipping business.
-I like my women like I like my tea: green-
While waiting for the Jews to drop dead of
their own accord, I decided to waste a few
million of them with Zyklon-B.
The analogy sounds about as relevant as yours.
I don't understand how you justify it.
-I like my women like I like my tea: green-
Ah, I see. The light has dawned on me.
Extremism is the only true path.
I repent in sackcloth and ashes!
Not.
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If you think the laws are broken, it's up to you to lobby and support efforts to get them changed. Otherwise, you can't complain when what you do continues to be illegal.
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The Time article they mention is online. It mentions Jackson's 10+%, it also mentions that Harvey Weinstein (of Miramax) gets 5% of gross. And it mentions that New Line's initial investment was only $25M per film which is only about 30% of the costs (presumably they invested further when budget blew out by $40M from $270M to $310M). So I think it is highly likely that New Line are not making anywhere near the sort of money a lot of people think.
Here's another interesting It has a lot of quotes from Peter Jackson, who makes it quite clear that report box office figures are theater sales, not studio or distributor grosses.