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Building Your Own Hobbit Hole

Alien54 writes "Sometimes people go too far in being a fan of a great movie or of a great book. Now you can be the proud owner of a Hobbit Hole. The site offers basic plans, as well as technical resources. For example, one thing you might want to consider in your planning is Large Elliptical Precast Concrete Pipe."

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  1. LOL i want my own hobbit hole by erax0r · · Score: 2, Funny

    My hobbit hole might get a little warm with my 4 computers all stuffed into a small, poorly circulated room. but a hobbit hole sounds fun. -)

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  2. Definitly by Squareball · · Score: 4, Informative

    Definitly need the concrete pipe here in Florida. In FL you can't dig more than a few feet before you hit water!

    1. Re:Definitly by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wasn't aware of anything that constituted a "hillside" in Florida. I thought it was just a sandpile with a swamp at each end.

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    2. Re:Definitly by mbogosian · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wasn't aware of anything that constituted a "hillside" in Florida. I thought it was just a sandpile with a swamp at each end.

      Florida is probably better for a replica of hobgoblin camp or maybe Golem's home (we likesss it) than a hobbit hole.

    3. Re:Definitly by JabberWokky · · Score: 5, Informative
      I grew up sleeping underground in Florida.

      Some notes: I grew up on a barrier island called Singer Island in a split level house. The hill it was placed on was almost certainly artificial. My bedroom window was about two inches above the ground. On a couple occasions I had very large insects (including two wolf spiders the size of a man's hand) come inside.

      That said, I got a book for my birthday, "The $50 and Up Underground House", a very out of print (I think) book written by an old school serious hippie environmentalist. You don't see his type around because he actually practiced what he preached and went off to live in the hills. Very fun and interesting book about how to build a cheap house, basically single handed, that is very good shelter. Lots of 'out of the box' thinking, and highly original (solves all the problems associated with underground houses like drainage and pressure but completely rethinking and reinventing the idea). His houses are built with the entrance facing *up* a hill... but they work for very non intuitive but very common sense reasons. Nifty.

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    4. Re:Definitly by nurightshu · · Score: 3, Funny

      You don't see his type around because he actually practiced what he preached and went off to live in the hills.

      ...And is now just a gustatory memory in the mind of some bear. That gives one pause to consider, though: if a bear eats a hippie, does he soon get the urge to raid campsites for Chee-tos and cream soda?

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    5. Re:Definitly by mbogosian · · Score: 2

      Florida is probably better for...

      Okay, this was meant to be funny, but I'll take interesting (at least until meta-moderation kicks in). ;)

    6. Re:Definitly by alephnull42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      10 seconds on Google show that the book is still available, for instance here.

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    7. Re:Definitly by LowellPorter · · Score: 2

      Definitly need the concrete pipe here in Florida. In FL you can't dig more than a few feet before you hit water!

      Who said you had to dig? Why not build the house on top of ground and then dump a bunch of dirt on top?

    8. Re:Definitly by JabberWokky · · Score: 3, Interesting
      He's still alive - and in the book he's got a picture of one helluva large bear that he shot when it attacked him (well, more "fell into his house"). Since it was out of season and an act of self preservation, he had to give it to the ranger, whom then promptly buried many hundreds of pounds of good meat. He rants about this for a couple pages.

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    9. Re:Definitly by JabberWokky · · Score: 2
      Yeah - there's a RealAudio interview with him as well at one site. That's how I knew he was still alive. But I still think the book is out of print but still available. There's a pretty big difference, and out of print doesn't not imply availability.

      RPG books can be out of print for years but still available due to their light but steasy demand. Other specialty books, like this one, are the same way. It's just a guess, though, and the book could still be in print. I just remember him ranting about evil publishers and something about jumping around.

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    10. Re:Definitly by sugrshack · · Score: 2

      yes, but that would make it 66.95 and up (the book is 16.95)

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  3. Realism by serps · · Score: 5, Funny

    And remember: it's not realistic unless you make the chandelier so low that wizards bump their heads on it.

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    1. Re:Realism by diamond · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, if you listen to the director's commentary track on the special edition DVD, Peter Jackson says the head-bumping incident with Gandalf was an accident. It's a tribute to Sir Ian McKellen that he was able to go right on acting as if it was scripted...seems to have fooled a lot of people, including myself at first glance.

    2. Re:Realism by struan · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just watched it last night. What I got out of it was that stepping backwards into the chandelier was scripted, but turning and slamming his head into the structural beam of the hobbit-hole was not in the script at all.

    3. Re:Realism by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, my new Hobbit hole complete with chandelier is *SURE* to get me laid...

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    4. Re:Realism by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2

      ...to rest... from loneliness.

  4. Sounds cozy, unless... by Corvaith · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...you happen to be taller than the average hobbit.

    Which most human adults are.

    Now, I like the concept, but it seemed like the pipe they were using wouldn't accomodate anybody larger than a child.

    1. Re:Sounds cozy, unless... by jcoy42 · · Score: 5, Informative
      ...you happen to be taller than the average hobbit.

      Those concrete pipes come in sizes up to 144 inches. That would be 12 foot.

      I think you'd fit.

      The problem I have with the idea is basically you would be designing your home in the likeness of a sewer..
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    2. Re:Sounds cozy, unless... by domninus.DDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      thats 12 feet "equivalent circular diameter", how high is that turned on its side ?

    3. Re:Sounds cozy, unless... by spotter · · Score: 5, Funny

      The problem I have with the idea is basically you would be designing your home in the likeness of a sewer..

      there you go encouraging the teenage mutant ninja turtle demographic.

    4. Re:Sounds cozy, unless... by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2

      The problem I have with the idea is basically you would be designing your home in the likeness of a sewer..

      I always thought the Hobbit homes in the movie resembled the hut-in-the-hill from Teletubbies...

      Six of one, half dozen of the other I guess.

  5. Building permit? by walt-sjc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Might be a tad bit of a problem getting a building permit.

    1. Re:Building permit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      i bet most potential hobbit-holers will find it easier to get permits than to get laid.

    2. Re:Building permit? by WhiteDragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wouldn't expect so. Just put down "pre-formed concrete" when asked for the construction method :-) Note that I am sure the design would have to be approved by a county/city engineer, but so does every house built.

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    3. Re:Building permit? by Alsee · · Score: 2

      In the uk, you don't need building permission for buildings below a certain height

      My home is a 7 story building, but I don't need a permit because only the top 4 feet is above ground. Weeeee!

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    4. Re:Building permit? by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      not a problem getting a building permit... almost any city/municipality will gladly give you the building permit...

      getting an occupancy permit.. that's the impossibility. Most all municipalities have some silly reasons to never allow earth berm homes. they are safer and better than the stupid looking boxes with the garage out front and the small forest of trees cut down to make a 3500 sq foot home for a family of 2. Frand Loyd Wright had several earthen home designs that were cool but never built because of the stupidity that is local government.

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    5. Re:Building permit? by nathanm · · Score: 2
      Note that I am sure the design would have to be approved by a county/city engineer, but so does every house built.
      That's not the case everywhere in the US. Some places don't even reqire building permits. Where my parents' live (Benton County, MN) only land-use permits are required. There isn't even a county building code there.
  6. I can stand up by SlugLord · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's good to see they've scaled the hole up to human size... That would be an expensive playhouse otherwise...

    1. Re:I can stand up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Low overhead, my boy! We pass the savings onto you!

    2. Re:I can stand up by Meddel · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's good to see they've scaled the hole up to human size... That would be an expensive playhouse otherwise...

      Right, 'cause this way it's a perfectly normal place to live ;)

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  7. Warning by cavegrub · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do not build hobbit holes in large metropolises with pre-existing transit systems. Cohabitation may occur.

    1. Re:Warning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you telling me I could actually get laid? As a lifelong LotR fan, I find this difficult to believe.

  8. Matamata: the original (Hobbit) hole by Audent · · Score: 2, Funny

    As anyone who has visited Matamata (where Peter J filmed Hobbiton) can tell you, it's the original hobbit hole...

    visit it at high speed if you must - I recommend at least 125 kph.

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    1. Re:Matamata: the original (Hobbit) hole by Audent · · Score: 2

      True but any slower and the colours don't blur enough and you can make out the old folk wandering and dribbling toothlessly around the street they laughingly call Broadway....

      it all becomes too much. too much.

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  9. Let me give you a gift... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny


  10. Going too far by abhinavnath · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Sometimes people go too far in being a fan of a great movie or of a great book."

    Case in point:
    "After seeing The Fellowship of the Ring, you have probably fantasized about living in a Hobbit Hole and lazing about in the shade."

    Um... not sure how to break this to you, but NO I HAVEN'T.
    *shakes head*
    Too far gone, this one is.

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    1. Re:Going too far by jcoy42 · · Score: 5, Funny
      Too far gone, this one is.

      Judging by the Yoda-speak, you must have opted to get Star Wars II instead of the LotR collectors edition, eh?

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    2. Re:Going too far by CableModemSniper · · Score: 4, Funny

      I fantasized it when I read the book. Of course at the time I was like 11. Now of course I've matured, I'd much rather live in the tree of Lorien.

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    3. Re:Going too far by abhinavnath · · Score: 2

      Webster's:"irony"

      \I"ron*y\, n.[L. ironia, Gr. ? dissimulation, fr. ? a dissembler in speech, fr. ? to speak; perh. akin to E. word: cf. F. ironie.] 1. Dissimulation; ignorance feigned for the purpose of confounding or provoking an antagonist.

      2. A sort of humor, ridicule, or light sarcasm, which adopts a mode of speech the meaning of which is contrary to the literal sense of the words.

      heh.

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    4. Re:Going too far by The+Tyro · · Score: 2

      I don't know... looks to me like one of the coolest things I've seen in quite some time.

      This guy has a vision, and he's actually thinking about it and chasing it. Good for him!

      Where would we be without guys like that? Give a SciFi/Fantasy fanboy a break.

      Ask "Why not" instead of "why?"

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    5. Re:Going too far by beleg777 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't know, while engaging in marital recreation you don't need to worry about falling out of the hobbit hole.

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    6. Re:Going too far by Quixadhal · · Score: 2

      Bah!

      I've fantasized about lazing about in the shade LONG before seeing The Fellowship of the Ring...

    7. Re:Going too far by AndroidCat · · Score: 3, Funny
      Bad investment. A place like Lorien is murder on upkeep to repell the forces of time. Evil Overlords keep trying to move in, and if you ever lose your elven Ring of Power, you're sunk. And if an Evil Overlord finds the One Ring, you're locked into a permanent contract with heavy payments.

      The halls of the king of the Wood Elves seemed a better idea. (Note to self: Install ultrasonic alarm zones and mount handy bags of fine flour on the walls for guards to use. Make sure chief jailer doesn't have a drinking problem.)

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  11. The pipe could be big enough by Flounder · · Score: 5, Informative

    The circular pipe is available in diameters (OD or ID, doesn't state) up to 144 inches. Now, I'm taller than average (6'2") but with a floorspace of, say, 1 ft for plumbing, electrical, and the obligatory Cat5. That would leave 11 ft of height. That would feel like being hobbit size walking around in Bag End.

    Now, the other thing to deal with is your local building code. Would they let you live in what is, essentially, sewer pipe?

    It would make a pretty cool bomb shelter/computer room.

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    1. Re:The pipe could be big enough by inode_buddha · · Score: 5, Informative

      FYI: as a 3-year concrete worker and a 10-year construction worker in the US: the diameter refers to the ID, like all other pipe commonly available here. Hence, the 144-inch equivalent diameter would be 12 feet. I bet it could be finished and furnished comfortably with room to spare. If you can stand to live in what amounts to a straight-line home the only limiting factors (besides your budget and time) would be the local zoning board. Large energy savings are possible, since the temperature of the Earth's crust is fairly constant at about 53 deg. Fahrenheit. Take advantage of thermal mass, I say.

      Bummer about the missiles/bombs tho... it's fairly routine to penetrate (greater than or equal to) 16 ft. thick concrete with conventional munitions... Also, I'd check out the local earthquake/flooding history in your area for the last millenia or so.

      Having said all that, it would make a lot of sense to me to do one of these... if only I could get the financing.....

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    2. Re:The pipe could be big enough by sakeneko · · Score: 3, Funny
      Using the internet as it was originally intended... for the further research of pornography and pipebombs.

      Or pipes, anyway....

    3. Re:The pipe could be big enough by surprise_audit · · Score: 2
      Now, the other thing to deal with is your local building code. Would they let you live in what is, essentially, sewer pipe?

      I'd imagine that around here (Tornado Alley, Oklahoma), that would qualify as a tornado shelter... Having a Hobbit Hole in the backyard would probably increase the property value, too :)

    4. Re:The pipe could be big enough by buckeyeguy · · Score: 2
      Heh, I'm not so sure about increasing the property value... the people who tend to build such homes are usually described as "rugged individualists", which is a synonym for "stone crazy".

      Still, after my state got whacked by some tornadoes just a few weeks ago, the storm shelter idea sounds great... I'd really want a floor drain in case there was a pipe-joint leak, though. As anyone who's walked through a large storm drain knows, those pipes are designed to keep water IN, not OUT.

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    5. Re:The pipe could be big enough by T.E.D. · · Score: 2

      I'd think you'd want more than 1ft. The lower you make the floor, the less lateral room you will have. I don't have the math skills for an exact number for the width (I suspect you'd need to know both radii at the least). But I suspect you wouldn't have room for two people to pass each other with the floor at only 1 ft (unless one walks up on the wall...). With a family of 5, I don't see how it would be practical. There certianly wouldn't be room for a bigscreen TV and a sofa, like any red-blooded american male requires.

      Obviously, the floor height that will maximize floorspace would be halfway up. That would only give you 6ft of headroom. More likely, you'd want to go three feet lower, which would give you a smidge less floor room, but 9 feet of headroom (in the middle), and would make the extra "elbow room" on the sides a good height for shelves, tv's, ovens, and the like.

    6. Re:The pipe could be big enough by T.E.D. · · Score: 2
      I'd imagine that around here (Tornado Alley, Oklahoma), that would qualify as a tornado shelter... Having a Hobbit Hole in the backyard would probably increase the property value, too :)


      Thanks to the recent passage of State question 696, your first 100 square feet would be exempt from property tax too. :-)

      Yup, we are serious about our storm shelters here in Oklahoma. My grandfather's one saved his life back in the 70's. The tornado pulled the whole house down over it. He had spoons stuck inside trees and the whole 9 yards...

      My dad has a bit of rual land with a nice hill on it to build into. I'd love to build a hobbit-style house into it. But I doubt 12-foot pipe would be able to provide enough room for a family of 5 (not counting pets).
    7. Re:The pipe could be big enough by Reziac · · Score: 2

      There are already plenty of homes built essentially as concrete underground bunkers -- quite a few that I know of in Minnesota and Montana happened because people ran out of money after they got the basement dug and concreted, so they just put a roof over it and a stairwell down to it, and called it good. These homes *are* up to code, they're just odd. :)

      I'd expect it would have to conform to code for basement structures (wall burst strength etc.) and the other usuals for a house (wiring, plumbing, whatnot) but unless it doesn't fit local covenants governing the type of home you're allowed to build (size, materials, etc.) there shouldn't be a problem most places.

      144", someone said? Short people could build two-storey holes. :)

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    8. Re:The pipe could be big enough by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 2

      The curved ceiling is the coolest part. Leave that in place and flatten out the floor more. Lopping off a few feet from the bottom gives you most of the width and still leaves you with 8-10 feet of headroom in the middle.

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  12. Making geeks vamoose! by Nathdot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Simply by supplying these plans as a package with a Thoreau's Walden, you too can be rid of the biggest smelliest most-hardcore tolkien geeks in your neighborhood. :)

    1. Re:Making geeks vamoose! by Gulthek · · Score: 2

      Ha! If you do that you'll end up with the smelly geeks living on your property and eating dinner at your house whenever they feel like it. I.e. how Thoreau's deal with Emerson worked out.

      Thoreau, "Yeah, umm, dude. I wanna like, crash on your lawn and build a house...get back to nature kinda thing. No big deal, I'll build all my own stuff and eat off the land...hey, you gonna eat all that bacon?"

  13. For who haven't seen... by xintegerx · · Score: 2, Funny
    1. Re:For who haven't seen... by Rubbersoul · · Score: 2

      That is damn funny ... the blonde is hot :)

      Also do you have any idea what the button says at the end, I can make out 'Lennord Nimoy?' but not the first two words

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  14. *chuckles* by anzha · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Great. Just what a Geek needs. Something the promotes sunlight deprivation all teh more. *shakes head*

    Really though, half of what makes Bag End from the movie so damn kewl was the woodwork and *THAT* isn't cheap. My uncle did it for a living (before going back to school again and becoming a newspaper editor) and the cost of godly woodwork of the Hobbit or Elf is enough to buy another whole house...

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    1. Re:*chuckles* by anzha · · Score: 2

      Actually, it's a lot more than you think. Let's say you want to do this in red cedar (aromatic, nice color, and not that expensive). For material you're looking at ~$10/sq ft. Labour is at least $20/hour. To panel a 15x15x8 ft room, you're talking at least $10k for a rudimentry job and probably double plus that for detail work.

      All told, you're looking at *EASILY* doubly the cost of your home by doing a rudimentry job.

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  15. monolithic domes by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Build a monolithic dome and cover it with sod. Should work just as well. Monolithic domes are cool.

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  16. Malcom Wells wrote the book by digitect · · Score: 5, Informative

    Malcom Wells wrote seriously about this in the 70's. Check out The Earth-Sheltered House, a real classic.

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  17. Uh, yeah... by Izang · · Score: 5, Funny

    My uncle built a rammed earth barn that's half underground and located in a part of the country where the theme music to Deliverance is still on the top 40. He's "off the grid" and lives with his horses like a wild man torn between the Gratefull Dead and his LOTR books.

    If his generator powered Mac Classic could see pictures of that hobbit hole he would be on his backhoe tonight, digging pits all over perfectly good hills.

    Fear the pot smoking LOTR fanatics.

    1. Re:Uh, yeah... by Alsee · · Score: 3, Funny

      Fear the pot smoking LOTR fanatics.

      Fear pot smokers? They generally lounge around and say:
      "Yeah, sure, whatever you want is cool with me. Got any potato chips?"

      Yep, real dangerous types them pot smokers :D

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  18. Somewhere at Hanson Concrete Products... by Steve+G+Swine · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... someone is reading a logfile and saying "wtf???"

    Smart move keeping the site simple - serve it up, IIS!

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  19. Networking? by Woogiemonger · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's gotta be weird to call up the cable company and say you want your hobbit hole to have a broadband connection. Good luck telling them your address. "Just drive through the woods, over the grass field. I'm three hills down on the right." Are those vans good for offroading?

  20. Re:Not Very Practical... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You are definitely right that it's not very practical. Even in the book (The Lord of the Rings) Tolkien mentions that most modern hobbits do not live in holes.

    Only the very poor and the very rich hobbits live in holes. The poor hobbits live in holes because they can't afford to build a house, and the rich live in elaborate holes because it is traditional, and because they can afford to make them luxurious.

    ... anyway, that's what I remember reading. If anyone can confirm that I'm not just pulling this out of my ass, please do. (I can't find it in the book at the moment.)

  21. Been there, done that by MacAndrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know, a lot of people were way ahead of the curve on this business of living in sewer pipes. Ironically, they are known as the homeless.

    So when yuppies want to abandon their nice cozy frame houses for sewer pipes, may I propose they kill two birds with one stone and just trade?

  22. Building Your Own? by CBNobi · · Score: 2

    Sometimes people go too far in being a fan of a great movie or of a great book.

    Meh. The true freaks (or at least, the dedicated and skilled ones) work at the Weta Workshop, who was in charge of making every prop in the movie series.

    Some of the work that is shown on the Special Extended DVD Edition is truly amazing.

  23. hobbiton lives by dandelion_wine · · Score: 2, Funny

    Round doors in hills? Don't know if they were Tolkien-inspired but take a drive through Saskatchewan some time. There have been homes like this for some time.

  24. Eminently practical by GungaDan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Y2K bunker--> hobbit hole conversion kit.

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    1. Re:Eminently practical by DavidBrown · · Score: 4, Funny

      1. Y2K Bunker
      2. Hobbit Hole Conversion Kit
      3. Profit!

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  25. Obligatory Slashdot Gag (tm) by Buran · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just imagine a beowulf cluster of these ... no, wait. That'd be Hobbiton, wouldn't it?

    1. Re:Obligatory Slashdot Gag (tm) by dacarr · · Score: 2

      Nonono, this house is a beowulf cluster unto itself.

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  26. I never thought I'd see the day... by Quaoar · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...when the Internet would have a guide on how to "build" a hole.

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    1. Re:I never thought I'd see the day... by Myco · · Score: 4, Funny

      Right, but it's a work-in-progress. So currently you can only build maybe half a hole, tops.

    2. Re:I never thought I'd see the day... by evilviper · · Score: 2

      Hmm. How long do you think it will take for a guide to appear on the proper method for throwing money down it?

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  27. Just try getting it approved by El · · Score: 5, Informative

    The building codes in most states in the US require a window large enough to be used as a fire escape in EVERY bedroom. This is difficult to do in a berm house. Also, berm houses in general have a problem with moisture condensation on the interior walls, so they're not for people who don't enjoy mold and mildew.

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    1. Re:Just try getting it approved by (H)elix1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The building codes in most states in the US require a window large enough to be used as a fire escape in EVERY bedroom.

      Bedroom? Why would the builder move out of his parents basement?

    2. Re:Just try getting it approved by dacarr · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Also, berm houses in general have a problem with moisture condensation on the interior walls, so they're not for people who don't enjoy mold and mildew.

      That is what you use electro-osmotic pulse systems for. He'd have to space these through the house, but further reasearch would be required.

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    3. Re:Just try getting it approved by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      Also, berm houses in general have a problem with moisture condensation on the interior walls, so they're not for people who don't enjoy mold and mildew.


      this is easily overcome. first you had better have the outside of your structure waterproofed. if you didn't then Duh! to you. second a nice layer of spray on insulation only an inch thick or so would do nicely to keep the condensation away (again vapor barrier inside too.) then you coat the insulation with your choice of finishing materials.. plaster would work, esoically if you cut and attached some 2X2 or 2X4 ribs to the interior.

      Finally laying a drain pipe in the bilge (yes, you might as well think of living in a ship or submarine in one of these) will help a ton in the removal of any liquid that does accumilate.

      Finally adding a central dehumidifier and a large enough forced air heating system will do the trick.

      Most earthen homes that are moldy/mildewy and wet are poorly designed or poorly taken care of... usually owned by men that are scared of dragging metal across their faces, frightened by using soap, and are the examples of anti-social as one can get.

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  28. Curved Floors by lommer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have to say, it does sound somewhat cool (if slightly OTT) to have someone build a habitable hobbit hole. Yet when I looked at your floor plans, I gave up on it.

    Your fantastic elliptical tubing is still leaves you with the problem of curved floors. There are 3 solutions to this. 1) fill the room with enough dirt/concrete/whatever so that you make a flat floor. But this severely reduces you headroom, which is already at a premium. 2) Cut open the tubes and only use the top half + some square walls. But here you loose all of the advantages of prefab that you mentioned. 3) live with curved floors. While you might be able to live comfortably, the only place with enough headroom will be in the middle of the room. As well, anyone who has ever had to pick out furniture for a curved wall can tell you what a pain it is; furnature for a curved floor would be a nightmare, it would all have to be custom and wouldn't be easily relocatable within the room.

    One other thing, do you have an entrance/exit othe than the garage?

    1. Re:Curved Floors by lommer · · Score: 2

      oops, now I see the foyer, disregard that last question please.

    2. Re:Curved Floors by Catbeller · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I hate to point out the obvious, but the floors wouldn't be curved. They'd be flat. And prolly made of wood. You lay beams across the tube, with supports cut to match the curve. Cover with subflooring, then cover with hardwood planks.

      The cool thing about that is that you have natural conduit space under your floor.

      Did you ever see cylindrical pressurized lunar habitation modules, back when the U.S. cared about space exploration? Same deal. The diff is that the lunar station are tubes to maintain enormous internal air pressure, compared to this bermed tube/pipe, which keeps out enormous masses of earth and water.

      I remember the earth-sheltered homes built in the '70's. The big problem was leakage and cracks. This tube concept solves the cracking problem, and has Hobbity coolness to boot.

  29. This makes some sense in deserts by Metalhead01 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Back home in Phoenix, there were a few underground homes scattered about. They're nice because they keep the house cooler in the summertine, thus avoiding the electric company ass-fucking you in May with higher rates

    However, calling it a hobbit hole turns it into a time and money consuming quest to prove to everyone in the neighborhood that you'll never breed.

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  30. Womanizer by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 5, Funny

    A hobbit hole! Now THAT would help me woo the ladies!

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    1. Re:Womanizer by darkfrog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The wife is already begging me to let us save our money so we can afford to realistically build of one these!
      There are women as geeky as me! ;-)

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    2. Re:Womanizer by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's very important to find the woman, THEN get the hobit hole.. =)

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  31. master bath bigger than dining room by SirSlud · · Score: 2

    look at his schematic! if you have over 8 guests, you apparently need to use the master bathroom, cause its way bigger! ;)

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  32. I REALLY have to get a bigger monitor! by AndroidCat · · Score: 2
    On the prototype model picture, I could have sworn that it said "dick to enlarge"! After all those stupid spams, it just cracked me up. If it didn't happen to you, we could trade monitors...

    Somehow I doubt the thing would be "Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort."

    Bunkers, airplanes, and now hobbit-holes. There's a trend going on here!

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  33. Hey, their pipe come with joints! by billstewart · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hobbits usually put their pipeweed *in* their pipes to smoke it, but rolling it in joints and hanging out in pipes will do in a pinch, I suppose, as long as you're not overly adventurous about it and it doesn't make you late for dinner...

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  34. Maybe I shouldn't... by Jezral · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe I shouldn't do this, but all that sewer pipe housing idea just makes me want to go...

    COWABUNGA!

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  35. Hobbit Hole by tkarr · · Score: 4, Funny

    My boyfriend always calls me a Hobbit, and says I live in a Hobbit Hole (even though I live in the dorms). It's nice to see that I'm not the only one out there who lives in one! My boyfriend even made me a foam sword and told me to name it "Sting."

  36. Re:hobbit hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Troll?! They aren't supposed to appear until page 32! (Hobbit, Methuen edition) CUT! CUT! Everyone get back in your places please. Ready, camera! Action!

  37. Re:Imaginations by JohnFluxx · · Score: 2

    People, I honestly don't think I've seen anything as pathetic as this poster.

    Instead of working on a unique project requiring lots of engineering knowledge, creativity, and imagination, people's dreams stop at buying some pre-made car, as if that makes them important. Or hording lots of money showing how good they are.

    Instead of just watching a film tonight just fantasing about doing something, I urge you to go out and do something, and stretch yourself!

  38. Sauron had the right idea by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd rather have my own dark tower. It impresses the neighbors and strikes fear into the hearts of travelling mormons.

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  39. OSV Yoda's speech is by yerricde · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Judging by the Yoda-speak

    "Yoda-speak" you can call it, but the technical term is "OSV typology", for "Object Subject Verb".

    J.R.R. Tolkien's hobby was building fictional worlds and languages. The Lord of the Rings began as his back-story for a book about Elvish tongues. Some of his languages might have been OSV, but most were SVO like English.

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    1. Re:OSV Yoda's speech is by BoBaBrain · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, elvish is mostly based on Irish and other gaelic tongues. These take the form VSO.

      E.g.
      D'ith mé on madra.
      "Ate I the dog".

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    2. Re:OSV Yoda's speech is by BoBaBrain · · Score: 2

      That would explain the dragons all right.

      Irish as the black tongue? That's really cool. Thanks for the info. By the way, "Orc" is Irish for whale...

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    3. Re:OSV Yoda's speech is by Greedo · · Score: 2

      Ah ... so *that's* what Enya is singing ...

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    4. Re:OSV Yoda's speech is by BoBaBrain · · Score: 2

      I just checked my English-Irish dictionary and you're absolutely right. It makes much more sence too.

      Cheers!

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  40. Re:Imaginations by deek · · Score: 4, Insightful
    • But when a grown adult man daydreams about living in an underground wizard cave instead of about girls, money, and cars, I believe that there is a problem.
    Wow ... so in other words, if we don't daydream about girls, money, and cars, you consider the person flawed. Am I the only one that thinks this is really sad? I would say that we should dream of who we want to be. If that dream involves a female companion, being filthy rich, or owning a stable of high performance machines ... then so be it. But if you dream of other things, then that dream is a worthy goal because it is you who dreamed it. Moreover if others dream differently to you, then don't chide them, but respect their dream for what it is. Your dream is not the only one, after all.

    DeeK
  41. An underground fortress for Sale (As Seen on Tv) by cheetah · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I saw the history channel show about this and I thought it was one of the coolest things I had seen in a long time. But now it's for sale... check it out...
    underground fortress

  42. Re:hey! by Catbeller · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Um, as geometry would dictate, if you run a floor down a pipe, a large subfloor space is formed, more than enough for any duct, fiber, wire, or plumbing you can imagine. It'd be good for a lot of storage room, too.

    Just remember to reserve the lowest point of the subfloor for the emergency drain pipe you will need in a heavy flood, or if those bored neighborhood geek kids drop a garden hose into your chimney and crank up the water.

  43. Re:Imaginations by dvdeug · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But when a grown adult man daydreams about living in an underground wizard cave instead of about girls, money, and cars, I believe that there is a problem.

    I don't doubt he dreams about girls; but some of us need other, more realistic dreams. Cars just aren't everyone's thing. He who truely dreams about money is lost; they get to spend their life in the cold and heartless chase of cash.

    I doubt any of us live on grounds that are vast and mountainous enough to actually build one of these holes.

    You doubt that any one of the tens of thousands of slashdot readers lives near a hill? Go back to geography class; just because you live in Kansas, doesn't mean we all do.

    being a hero and saving everyone from a death by drowning. [...]imagine that you're a sexy, long-haired Mel Gibson.

    Because these are such realistic goals. Instead of dreaming we're a hero in the ancient past, let's dream we're a seductive commoner in the recent past (who, IIRC, only saved one person) or a sleazebag who lies, and steals his way to the top and is a complete cad, but it's all right, because he has charisma and is Mel Gibson.

    You offer us the sad myths of the modern world instead of the great myths of fantasy. Sorry, not interested. I'll try and take my modern world straight, and let my fantasies go where they may.

  44. Re:Imaginations by mstyne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You, sir, are a fucking idiot.

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  45. help with codes by twitter · · Score: 4, Informative
    You can get city approval with the use of codes like this . Just don't tell them you are going to live in it and all will be well. =;>

    There are technical solutions to all the other problems. You can insulate or even heat your walls to avoid moisture problems. If you put a moiture barrier and insulation between your walls and the the air inside you should not have condensation. Who wants to look at concrete walls anyway? Fire, flood and proper ventilation and lighting are real design concerns, but they are balanced by thermal insulation safety from storms and man made hazards. The author's design had large windows or doors on every large room.

    I'll admit, I want to live in a bomb shelter. The author's design was not roomy or sturdy enough for me. Culvert is not cheap either. Still, it's a nice effort.

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  46. Building permits are for humans! by mkweise · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As anyone who's read the book knows, hobbits do not accept human authority in any way, shape or form. They generally like to stay out of sight of humans, particularly the tax collecting and permit inspecting variety - and living in a hole in the ground certainly is consistant with that end.

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  47. wtf by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 2
    Sometimes people go too far in being a fan of a great movie or of a great book.
    Lies like this I simply will not tolerate.
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  48. No, not precast concrete pipe by Animats · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Precast concrete pipe is not the way to go. If it's big enough for a useful room, it's too big to move via road.

    The way to go is tunnel liner, bolt-together segments used for making tunnels and small underpasses. Diameters to 6 meters are available standard, and to 36 meters by special order. Various cross sections are possible by mixing curved sections of different radii. You can get a nearly flat floor if desired.

    Armtec's tunnel liner system isn't particularly good looking inside, but there are nicer ones, such as the ones used in newer Jubilee Line stations of the London Underground. The Tube is a good place to look for ideas on how to use curved underground spaces.

    1. Re:No, not precast concrete pipe by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2
      Precast concrete pipe is not the way to go. If it's big enough for a useful room, it's too big to move via road.

      No, but you could cast the sections on site in place easily enough, that would allow for much more flexibility. Precast sections are a very expensive option.

      You could also save a lot of money by adding in steel beams etc at strategic points.

      Like you can build a wooden house youself and it is likely to stay up. But if you want to do anything fancy you are likely to save a lot of money by going to a specialist architect. If you want to build stuff under ground you should see a civil engineer.

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    2. Re:No, not precast concrete pipe by Idarubicin · · Score: 2
      If it's big enough for a useful room, it's too big to move via road.

      Okay. Normal loads are limited to widths of between eight and nine feet in most jurisdictions, IIRC. Why not take a 16' diameter precast pipe and have it sliced in half lengthwise? You get two U-shaped sections, each only eight feet across. At your construction site, place one U in a trench concave up, then mate the other half to it concave down. Seal the joint, and presto! You've doubled the size of the 'room' you can easily move by road.

      Of course, the parent poster is probably right--if you're going to the trouble of rejoining segments anyway, you might as well use bits and pieces that are designed for the purpose. IANA Engineer.

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  49. Could you use mirrors to light up with sunlight? by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2

    Would it be possible to position mirrors perfectly to bounce sunlight around throughout the entire thing?

    It would be kind of cool to have my server room under my backyard.

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  50. That is incredible. by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2

    Wow. What can I say?

    Wish I could buy one.

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  51. actually... and some musings by zogger · · Score: 2

    actually, there are millions of people out here in "flyover country" who live in just as "real world" situation as any mega-urban dweller, but consider living in some man made high rise uhhh "targets" we think of them in the middle of millions of other people bathed in 24/7/365 mega pollution and noise to be lots stranger than a hobbit hole. Lots weirder and lots stranger. To each their own and stuff.

    With that said, an alternative to the concrete pipe is to use a large diameter galavanized road gutter pipe. They can be quite large as well. These are in place all over the nation right now, useful as tornado or bomb shelters, or to use day to day as practical root cellars. Yes, some people grow most if not all of their food and need a place to store it. What a concept, almost like having a "store" out in the back yard. It's kinda nifty really.

    Really, the hobbit hole is just a cooler way to do a "basement" one with a superior roof than a flammable building. Now I think living in a novel fantasy world is silly, but the concept of cave-as-shelter is quite robust in human history, as it has quite a bit of practical value. After all, our manmade buildings are just that, artifical "caves" of a sort, square, tall, whatever, it's still the same sort of concept, "stuff" around you that protects you from the outside elements. This guys gig is just fantasy art as shelter, sort of day to day performance theater I guess you might classify it as. Who knows he might find his fantasy chick to dig it with him. Ever been to a scifi con? Ain't as many grrls, but there's *enough*.

    You deal with moisture/condensation problems in earth bermed or completely underground shelters by using an air heat exchanger/condenser. In a pinch, it's actually usefull to recover the moisture, as it's distilled water. They do similar I *think* on high tech space craft. Ya never know when water might come in handy and maybe the ole tap ain't working. Stuff happens. Airplanes into buildings. Maybe sometime we get nukes in cities. Maybe sometime soon, too, BTW. Or something like that. Hope not. I won't bet against it though, not the way this old whirrled is shaping up. I think michio kaku nailed it. Misuse of element 235 and it's cousins is gonna more or less slow down the old human race to a desparate crawl sometime. Well, and to that I'll add the modern day Dr. Frankensteins and their biocootie inventions. Another subject another day.

    I thought the novel Dune had interesting survival aspects to it, the stillsuits were a cool idea.

    1. Re:actually... and some musings by Reziac · · Score: 2

      There are risks inherent in having your own garden, tho, especially with the more-prolific vegetables. Ever heard of zucchini poisoning? :)

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  52. Re:Could you use mirrors to light up with sunlight by Pfhor · · Score: 2

    I would imagine if one lined the sunlight "tubes" with mirrors, and get the light to focus into single beam, and then use creative refraction to scatter the light throughout the room. True sunlight during the day, through an entire house, would be pretty damn cool.

  53. actual quote by Daytona955i · · Score: 5, Informative

    "All Hobbits had originally lived in holes in the ground, or so they believed, and in such dwellings they still felt most at home; but in the course of time they had been obliged to adopt other forms of abode. Actually in the Shire in Bilbo's days it was, as a rule, only the richest and the poorest Hobbits that maintained the old custom. The poorest went on living in burrows of the most primitive kind, mere holes indeed, with only one window or none; while the well-to-do still constructed more luxurious versions of the simple diggings of old. But suitable sites for these large and ramifying tunnels (or smials as they called them) were not everywhere to be found; and in the flats and the low-lying districts the Hobbits, as they multiplied, began to build above ground. Indeed, even in the hilly regions and the older villages, such as Hobbiton or Tuckborough, or in the chief township of the Shire, Michel Delvig on the White Downs, there were now many houses of wood, brick, or stone. These were specially favoured by millers, smiths, ropers, and cartwrights, and others of that sort; for even when they had holes to live in, Hobbits had long been accustomed to build sheds and workshops."

    That's from the prologue in the fellowship of the rings.

    1. Re:actual quote by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

      I think based on the fact that much of the Shire wasn't hilly, hobbit holes are actually quite uncommon there for practical reasons. I can guess only the well-off were able to live at Bag End and the hobbit holes below it on Bagshot Row in Hobbiton. It's likely that when you walk east from Bywater through Frogmorton to the Brandywine Bridge hobbit holes are uncommon sights. It's very unlikely you'll see hobbit holes in Southfarthing, the major agricultural region of the Shire.

      Brandy Hall in Buckland is a large series of interconnected hobbit holes, but then Brandy Hall was built upon a hillside just beyond the eastern shores of the Baranduin (neé Brandywine) River.

  54. My own hobbit hole by zephc · · Score: 2

    I actually did a screen grab from the Lord of the Rings extended version set, on the 3rd disc, there is a floorplan for Bag End from one of the creative designers of the movie.. it's a much nicer design than this

    I'll email the picture per request (here)

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    1. Re:My own hobbit hole by zephc · · Score: 4, Informative

      actually, if you go here and go into my Photo Album, the pic is in there

      The full size one is still available per request

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  55. Re:An underground fortress for Sale (As Seen on Tv by B3Geek · · Score: 2, Funny
    The underground fortress touts its RF shielding qualities 40 feet down... This means your computer will be one of very few that still works after the EMP wave following a nuclear explosion.

    Too bad there would be no other computers to network with. May have to count on setting up a lan party.

  56. I can see it now... by AndroidCat · · Score: 3, Funny
    The wideload carrying the parts of someone's hobbit-home gets into a head-on with the wideload carrying someone-else's jet airplane onna-stick home.

    Ma and Pa drive by, "Look Pa, there must be a nest of Geeks movin in." "Git ma gun from the rack Ma!"

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  57. Mixed movie refferences! by Alsee · · Score: 2

    According to the floorplan we have:
    the Zen room,
    2 bedrooms (really the same room with different lightbulbs - pink for sluts and blue for assholes),
    the Master bedroom (chains included)
    the living room where hobbits folk dance,
    the dining room,
    the Foyer, (why is the banister sticky?)
    and the Library. (this man has no fucking neck!)

    Note that Hobbit Holes don't have phones, asshole!

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    1. Re:Mixed movie refferences! by JabberWokky · · Score: 2
      Thank you. Thank you very very very much. (Note my domain).

      I visited the page the next day (to reduce slashdotting), and saw that and just started laughing. As someone who is working on a 1/8th scale model of the entire castle, that was my *immediate* response to seeing the plans.

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  58. Clever idea, but... by dacarr · · Score: 4, Interesting
    OK, here's my nitpick.

    I want to make it clear that this is extremely clever, and now I want one! But, here's a few ideas I have.

    I don't think ceiling ductwork is optimal for the application - in fact, placing everything subfloor may be more optimal for aesthetic value, especially for the CAT5 and electrical. (Rather than have things plug into the ceiling or have the wall outlets run down from there, wire them up from the floor. Less intrusive.) It might help to raise the floor a couple of inches to accomodate everything, but the impact if you remove the ceiling (as it were) should be trivial. on the other hand, if you are required to install sprinklers by your local building code...well, still drop everything else below, but keep a trivial ceiling to accomodate the sprinkler system.

    For acoustic purposes, the builder would be advised to place some kind of padding on the walls. Yes, I know, acoustic tiling is expensive and carpeted walls went out when the The Gobbler was torn down, but something should be done, or you won't be able to discreetly make love on the opposite end of the house from your guests with your SO.

    Furnace and water should be placed centrally to all used utilities. In the floor plan, you will notice that the builder has the utility closet placed between the pantry and the secondary bath. I think if I were me, I would place the utility closet off of that unused corridor, facing into the center of the oblong there. It takes it a bit farther from the kitchen, but it puts it significantly closer to the master bedroom, and unless you heavily insulate the pipes, heat lossage will be cut down significantly by doing this. The problem can be countered of course by installing secondary heaters as appropriate.

    The chimney in the kitchen is a very smart touch, but an exhaust system in the bathrooms would be very optimal to keep those after-use odors down. =O.o=.

    Take that secondary bath away from that side corridor. Put another attached to the bedroom/study/zen room branch, and another on that other corridor that is not used in the floorplan. It may seem redundant, but you don't (for one thing) want bathrooms *too* close to the kitchen or pantry, and you'll find a bathroom closer to the bedrooms and common areas of the home to be of significant convenience.

    And where's that fireplace in the living room, hmm? =^_^=

    As mentioned in another post of mine, make sure you install an electro-osmotic pulse system to keep those walls dry and intact.

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    1. Re:Clever idea, but... by shivianzealot · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hehehe, I needed a good laugh this morning:

      [...]you won't be able to discreetly make love on the opposite end of the house from your guests with your SO.

      Clearly if this is a concern, you aren't in the target demographic.

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    2. Re:Clever idea, but... by Liza · · Score: 2

      The Gobbler was torn down??? I'm heartbroken! I lived in Madison for 6 years, and it was one of my favorite landmarks on the drive back and forth to Milwaukee.

      Tragic. Just tragic. Tell me that The House on the Rock is still going strong!!!

      Liza

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  59. Not concrete! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Fiberglass is the way to go. Concrete in the ground isn't too good. My dad works for a fiberglass company, mainly in the area of manholes. He's shown me a lot of pictures of concrete manholes that basically rot out of the ground. Sure it'll be good for a few years, but you want to protect your investment! Fiberglass tanks can come just as big. Just need to put something on the inside so you don't get the itches.

  60. Wide loads by Animats · · Score: 2

    OK, OK, you can get a wide load permit, a lowboy trailer, and a rigging company to move big cement pipe sections around.

  61. Easy Solution by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 2

    Just live outside of the city limits. In general, building codes are something cities foist upon their inhabitants mainly because the close living arrangements of a city mean that an oops by one person can affect many. Some counties have building codes; some have fairly minimal codes (e.g., most barns in rural areas would not meet building code).

    My in-laws live in a quaint little area that was once the bustling city of Rosita, Colorado. The silver ore ran out about a hundred years ago and the town pretty much went away. Its now considered unincorporated Custer County. No building codes although some areas do have CC&Rs. Population of the whole county was about 3,600 in the last census so LOTS of room. Lots of people living off grid or semi-off grid. One of their neighbors even has a below ground concrete house that probably comes pretty close to a hobbit hole adopted for Homo Sapiens. Even at an elevation of 8,800 feet they still manage to meet most of their heating needs with passive solar.

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  62. Re:Price by ceejayoz · · Score: 2

    $2000 CDN per meter, and ~ 11 tons per meter, too. Wow...

  63. Someone did it! by Aniquel · · Score: 3, Informative
  64. There's something similar in the Bay Area by Ryu2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you drive along Highway 280 from SJ to SF, a few miles past the intersection of 280 and 92, if you look to the right, you'll see a curious white hill-looking house made out of foamlike material. A almost identical replica to the "Hobbit Hole" described therein (in form, not in color, I mean).

    My high school bio teacher's parents live (or lived) in there, IIRC.

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  65. Very interesting by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2

    I wonder if it truly does pay itself off.

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  66. Shouldn't we give this guy a troll rating...? by sifi · · Score: 2, Funny

    oh, wait a minute, they live under bridges.

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  67. Top shotgun is bad? by Rocketboy · · Score: 2
    What is it about you USAians that makes them think being a "top shotgun" makes you normal? Holy crap. Guess why people hate you.


    I'm not getting the connection here. Could you explain?

  68. Nice woodwork example by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 2

    Take a look at Neuschwanstein castle. They didn't even finish decorating it because it was so expensive (and King Ludwig took an unexpected swim with the fishes) but the bits they finished are quite tasty; some rooms took several years to decorate.

  69. Mod parent up by overunderunderdone · · Score: 2

    This is the funniest/most distrubing thing I have ever seen.

  70. Ventilate it well by LowellPorter · · Score: 2, Informative

    My cousin built a house similar to this in the late 1970s. One year he went on vacation while his teenage son stayed home for the 2 or 3 weeks he was gone. The fans in the ventilation system were shut off accidently and the son never turned them back on. When he came back, the rooms in the rear of the house were filled with mildew, lots of mildew. It was on the walls, the beds, and in the bathrooms. This house is located on a farm in central Illinois.

  71. Hope you're only 4 feet tall then... by t0mmyb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    12 feet is the "circular equivalent diameter" of their biggest pipe... which I read as the diameter of the circumscribed circle around this elliptical shape. Cut that circle in half, and we've only got six feet.

    Since we're dealing with an ellipse, cutting it along its major axis will give us even less than that for headroom.

    Hobbits only, please.

  72. Living underground by weader · · Score: 4, Informative

    I grew up in an underground house. My parents weren't hippies, just environmentally conscious and interested in alternative building and heating methods. The house was designed in the late '70's. It is built into the side of a hill, so one side is fully exposed. The house is made mostly out of concrete. The floors and walls were poured, and the roof is made of precast beams (about 3' wide apiece). There is a large atrium in the middle of the house, covered by an A-frame that sticks up above the ground. The roof of the A-frame is made of passive solar panels, which lets in lots of light and heats the room fairly well in the colder months.

    Some answers to common questions:

    - Isn't it dark in the house?
    A: Not at all. In fact, it's much lighter than most normal houses. The entire front of the house is open to the side of the hill, and is mostly windows. Each room on that side has probably 12' to 15' of windows in it. Furthermore, the atrium in the center of the house provides much more light than even the biggest skylight could.

    - Isn't it cold and damp?
    A: No. The exterior of the house was well-sealed when we built it, so moisture isn't a big problem. (There have been leaks over the years, but for the most part they've been easy to fix.) As for being cold, the fact that the house is underground helps regulate the temperature. It is easier to heat in the winter, and easier to cool in the summer because there is less house exposed to the outside conditions than with a normal house.

    --Josh

    1. Re:Living underground by Reziac · · Score: 2

      I don't care so much about the underground aspect, but the atrium design is my ideal house. Having the rest of the house built around a central room minimizes distance from any point to any other point, without sacrificing normal room functions.

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  73. Replies on the hole by StormBear · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hi all!
    First I wanted to thank whoever posted this to /. I have gotten a lot of good feedback and ideas on how to make the structure better.

    But allow me to make a few observations and corrections.

    There are eight fire exits and they are listed on the site.

    Six rooms, the ones most used, have direct sunlight. You may not be able to see the windows in the pictures, but you have windows in the master bath, master bedroom, living room, foyer, kitchen and dining room. Plus you have skylights in the zen room and the study.

    The space under the floors is at least 18 inches deep which can leave you up to 9 feet of headroom. I think that is enough. The curved walls can also be used to build closets and trunks without taking up floor space or clog the halls.

    I have some concerns with other building methods because of the crushing weight of soil that would need to be dumped on the structure. The plan would not be to excavate, but to find a somewaht flat ground, lay the pipe, apply several layers of moisture barrier and then cover with many feet of soil and landscape. Rain itself would add several TONS of roof loading in a matter of minutes. Also, the point of this is to have a LOW amount of labor-hours. Most rammed earth structures takes years of spare time to build.

    The use of pipe means you can configure the dwelling anyway you want; ringed, linear or multilevel. for example, if you build it as a ringed structure, you can have an open-air garden in the middle with all rooms being open to it. My example is just ONE example.

    My goal for this site was to simply come up with yet ANOTHER idea for home construction that is not based on the traditional house. Who knows if anyone ever builds it? As I said on the site, I am just "expressing my inner architect."

    Storm Bear Williams

    1. Re:Replies on the hole by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Big culverts made of reinforced concrete are already designed to withstand not only the mass of soil (including incidental rain) above them, but also the much greater load and vibration stress of heavy trucks passing over them. So if you're using that standard, I don't see the problem.

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  74. Realism comes from reality :) by Reziac · · Score: 2

    That sort of accident happens more often than you'd think. For some years I did bits and extras. Last production I worked on was "Darkman". In the carnival scene where Our Hero's face melts and he goes running off across the tarmac, he smacks into an innocent bystander's backside and keeps on running.

    Well, the bystander was *me*. It was not only not scripted, I had no idea he was coming my way (I was looking the other direction at the time, and we peons hadn't been told anything but to stand over yonder and act like we're chatting)... and because of the mask, Our Hero couldn't clearly see where he was going, either. Hence.. *clonk!* "WTF?? Hey, watch it!" :)

    They did 3 or 4 more takes after that, but this was the shot they used in the final cut. More than likely there were several takes for the scene with the Gandalf vs. the low ceiling incident too. But as a rule these accidents (which are even more common in series TV) lend an extra realism to the scene above and beyond what good acting and good scripts can manage, so if all else goes well, they're very likely to be the shots that get used.

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  75. Size isn't an issue. by Reziac · · Score: 2

    Actually, with appropriate permits to allow for road closures etc, you can move anything that 1) the roadbed will support, 2) can fit between existing obstacles without damaging them, and 3) can be got under overhead power lines (tho for a suitable fee, the utility companies will usually unstring them for the duration).

    I've seen large 3-storey houses, a brick office building, and a full-sized barn being moved. (I have a photo of the barn as it goes down the road in front of my place.) Here in SoCal, the rate to move a single-storey house is about $150 per square foot. Some specialty developers move and renovate classy old houses (which are often free for the hauling) as it's often cheaper than building a new house from scratch.

    Anyway, size is not really an issue; there are companies that specialize in moving oversized loads of every description.

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  76. Re:Imaginations by Reziac · · Score: 2

    Well, personally I've always wanted a treehouse. Not the most practical in most climates, but damn, the view is good!!

    When I was a kid we built a sort of two-storey treehouse with a stairway on one side and a trapdoor on the other. Too bad adults can't have that much fun. ;)

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    ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  77. No, 9 feet... by Theaetetus · · Score: 2
    You don't cut it half along a diameter - he's suggesting that you cut along a chord on the top, say only a foot or a foot and a half for running electrical wiring/ventalation, and a foot or two on the bottom for water/sewer.

    Look under the 'cross-section' link at the bottom of the page.

    -T

  78. Alternatives by nytes · · Score: 2
    Quoth the article:
    Once you start doing the math for wooden structures, the cost quickly skyrockets. On top of high costs to support such loading, you have yet to deal with the issue of water seepage, insect vulnerabilities (termites) and wood rot.

    That leaves us the two building materials. Steel and concrete.

    But these guys have been doing it for, I think, around 20 years.

    Their main building material is tires rammed with earth, and a wood roof on top. They build it into a hillside facing South (if you are in the northern hemisphere) and put big, double paned windows in it. Then the whole thing is buried (except for the windows, obviously).

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  79. DOH! by nytes · · Score: 2

    Ok. I am an idiot.

    Note to self: Read entire article before posting.

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  80. squash overdose! by zogger · · Score: 2

    --yes, I have suffered this before, all it takes is *one* squash plant too many and all of a sudden the local economy is thrown into mass chaos turmoil, "here, have some free squahs", "no,I insist, try some of mine". Never fails, then you have squash ice cream sqaush casserolle, squssh salad, baked fried boiled raw stewed whatever SQUASH until you are ..well.. squished and squeamish of squash.

    Not to mention but I will anyway the dreaded "now what?!?, I grew some watermelons now I have 500 lbs of watermelon that needs eating like right now".

    yep, been dere, done did dat.

    1. Re:squash overdose! by Reziac · · Score: 2

      It could be worse. Have you seen what green beans and broccoli do if left uncontrolled?!!

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  81. Re:Hobbit Hole by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 2

    better a git than an AC.

  82. As our corporate attorney pointed out.... by dacarr · · Score: 2
    "You know what this reminds me of? A hamster cage I had as a kid."

    This isn't a hobbit hole, it's a habitrail!

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  83. Check out Coober Pedy by salty_oz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The locals live under ground.

    http://www.walkabout.com.au/locations/SACooberPe dy .shtml

    Just do a google search on "Coober Pedy" and read away.

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