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Hark! I Hear a Dropped Packet!
aarondsouza writes "The New Scientist has an article about Chris Chafe, a cellist and director of the Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics at Stanford University in California, who has the idea that one can use sound as an audible measure of the health of an internet connection. By sending a bunch of sound pulses across the line and measuring echo time, an average ping time of 10ms would be heard as a 100Hz tone. The idea is that the human ear is much more sensitive to variations in pitch, and thus "listening" to the connection would be a better indicator of its health. The article is short on technical specs but the project page (SoundWIRE) has more."
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/28/123820 9&mode=thread&tid=95
we speak the way we breathe --Fugazi
What is this?! A Jerry Lewis Dupe-a-Thon?
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To understand recursion, one must first understand recursion.
atleast wait until it leaves the front page before reprinting the same story
The original is still on the homepage! http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/28/123820 9&mode=flat&tid=95
Oh, yea. Right HERE on the FRONT PAGE.
Steve Hayman did something like this 11 years ago...
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Hello, Slashdot user. My name is Dr. Sbaitso. I am here to help you.
we only have enough money to run a story once a day.... seriously, is there something wrong with the slashcode or a virus or something? These dupes are getting out of hand here...
"....sound as an audible measure..."
What other options do we have as an audible measure? Hmmm?
...my ping time is so high only my dog can hear it.
The human ear (and the corresponding piece of driver code in the brain) is very sensitive to regularities and irregularities in sounds. If you convert something to sound and get used to it, you can very easily spot how it "sounds wrong" when something changes.
Seismographists used to convert earthquake vibration patterns to human-audible sounds; this way it became very easy for a trained ear to distinguish between natural quakes and Soviet nuclear tests. On a screen, both looked like a jumble of lines.
Of course, a clever piece of software can do this too - but you already have this clever piece of software installed for free in your brain.
(Unfortunately it is free-beer, as the source is not available. Hmmmm, I guess rms should target God as the largest producer of closed-source software in the Universe?)
I used to bulls-eye womp-rats in my pants
Slashdot has bowled three strikes today...err duplicates:
1. Duplicate Original
2. Duplicate Original
3. Duplicate Original Happy turkey slashdot!
Damn it, the signal to noise ratios in the discussions are low enough. Is this infesting the front page now?
It's GROOOUNDHOG DAAAY
enjoy the trip
trips
tripping
Methinks Slashdot needs a system to audibly alert the editors when they are about to post a dupe. The closer together, the higher the noise. And if the original is still on the main page, it plays a very load klaxon.
:D
The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet.
--Aristotle
I get it, on April 1st all the stories are false; On Thanksgiving the stories are dupes.
Does consuming gigantic quantities of turkey and dressing cause this -- I demand a study.
...sysadmins will begin carrying metronomes and tuners?
"I'm sorry, but your NIC seems to be running a quarter-step sharp."
*hides*
I don't see any dupes. wtf are you talking about?
--C0D3X
I don't see any dupes. wtf are you talking about?
--C0D3X
I don't see any dupes. wtf are you talking about?
--C0D3X
I don't see any dupes. wtf are you talking about?
--C0D3X
I don't see any dupes. wtf are you talking about?
--C0D3X
How's he going to know it's a dupe to delete it? He obviously isn't reading the front page so why bother reading the comments? Sad but true.
It's the third today... and the day ain't over yet.
To getting a story posted on /.
Pick one and send it in again!
To avoid seeing this message again, always shut down your computer properly by selecting Shut Down from the Start Menu.
Lets look at ratios. Three dupes from slashdot, thirteen thousand, four hundred and twelve dupes from idiots bitching about slashdot duping. It's hard to bitch about duping AND be taken seriously, when the bitch is a dupe. Atleast the stories are more interesting ...
Robert Anton Wilson
In case this gets Slashdotted...
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Writers get in shape by pumping irony.
Maybe we could send the editors one of these ;)
I nominate Homestar Runner as new slashdot editor-in-chief. Admit it, he'd do at least as good of a job. And I don't care if he's animated and not real!
First the Onion, now Slashdot?
Have the collective editors of online content decided to play "lets see who really pays attention" this week?
C'mon. Enough.
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Make it stop!!
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Crudely Drawn Games
I remember reading about something similar a few years ago. Basically they took all the different readings from a nuclear reactor control room and extrapolated a tone from them somehow. If any of the readings went outside of nominal the done would sound much different. Because the human ear is sensitive to this, the operators would know something is amiss.
64 bytes from slashdot.org (66.35.250.150): icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=144 usec
64 bytes from slashdot.org (66.35.250.150): icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=144 usec (DUP!)
64 bytes from slashdot.org (66.35.250.150): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=133 usec
64 bytes from slashdot.org (66.35.250.150): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=133 usec (DUP!)
64 bytes from slashdot.org (66.35.250.150): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=134 usec
64 bytes from slashdot.org (66.35.250.150): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=134 usec (DUP!)
PP..SS.. DDoonn''tt ffoorrggeett ttoo ttuurrnn oonn llooccaall eecchhoo!!
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
We should start a tradition on slashdot where we only post stupid sentences for dupe stories. Here's mine:
...this is really, really, sloppy work. I'm bored of this. Can I get the URLs of some other geek-friendly news/info sites? Ones that have a bit more QA?
My Greasemonkey scripts for Digg &
It strunk me as ironic that, in a comment complaining about dupes, the same text is echoed in the title and the body.
http://kered.org
Not everyone has clever software in their brain. I'm still doing a Search for Terrestrial Intelligence. But maybe /. isn't the place for it.
But at least I try and double-check the data.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
The quark matter/stranglets hitting earth story was covered on May 12, Nov 22, and Nov 25
I'd be real impressed if one of you could effectively argue how a duplicate story has so injustly wronged you so as to demand this sort of wanton, sociopathic outrage. What's more ridiculous than a few duplicate stories is a bunch of duplicate children screaming at mommy for serving the same lunchtime sandwich two days in a row. I'm sure you all work hard and are model citizens in need of fresh news quarter-hourly, but if you don't have anything worthwhile to say, then be a man and shut it.
Patrick
We don't need no steenking flux capacitor.
Sigs are bad for your health.
It seems you Slashdot editors definately smoke too much or have fall into the darkside!
And I don't talk about all this OSNews FUD you relay. Now I bet the next step is to post LinuxGram newsletters to the frontpage.
luser1: PING!
PING... Ping... ping...
luser2: ACK!
ACK... Ack... ack...
luser1: Cool, I can hear echo replies on the network now.
luser2: No, those are just slashdot dupes.
-- The morphemes of your disquisition are ascertainable, but they have eschewed an ambit of transpicuous exposition.
I'm listening to the sound of my laptop connecting to slashdot. I hear these three patterns twice in quick succession. Any ideas?
Let's talk about other things! The ainme series Berserk is awesome, especially the out takes. Who can forget the Whitney Houston song? "I don't really wanna go, very much farther..." And Metroid Prime has to be the best game ever! I am hooked. Seeing as I have the whole of next week off (burning those vacation days before the end of the year), I may actually get my $6 dollars worth out of this Blockbuster rental.
trashes his computer because of the fucking siren sound of a bad connection that constantly adjusts?
waaa-WAAA-waa-WAAA-waaa-WAAA-waaa
Turkey hash.
Great.
If I did this at my job I would be fired or hollered at.
Come on already. I love /. I spend too much time reading it as it is. Why must I have duped stories to wade through?
Moderation and the Friend/Foe system are supposed to make /. easier to read, by filtering out trolls and crapflooders. Perhaps it's time to allow the STORIES to be moderated. I enjoy reading all /. stories, because invaribly, I learn something, or get a new perspective on an issue or idea. Having valuable front page space taken up by something that was already discussed (on the same day!) only annoys the readers and surely affects the advertisers effectiveness.
I am only a reader and poster of rants and one-liners, sure, but I happen to like /. I hate to see it like this.
Perhaps I should have assumed there was a lack of attention to the site, when I sent a fixed flag icon to Taco, and never got a response - email or otherwise. I'd guess that Taco gets many emails asking questions, ranting about features, moderations, trolls, and plenty of spam. My note was purely friendly and included the new icon.
No response. No 'Thanks but no thanks', automated "Yoyre emial iz impotent to us". Nothing
That's it. Have a good Thanksgiving. Turkey ....taking effect... sleeeeepy...so sleeeepy.... must fall to ... floor....
*snore*
It's fair game for meaningful posts 'eh?
So - a joke:
At the Miss World Pageant in Nigeria a girl puts on a skimpy bikini and asks her manager "Does this make me look Fatwa?"
Laugh. It's funny...
Cake or Death? Cake Please!
it strunk you? What tense is that?
Don't eat shrimp candy, just a heads up.
When I was just a lad, these Slashdot dupe things where a rare occurance. Boy they were a big occasion! Whole families used to go and see them, it was like a day trip. But now, now you see them everywhere! Whereever you look there are Slashdot dupes! You young folk have it easy. You don't need to remember things anymore, because everything you need to know on Slashdot is duplicated without failure every couple of hours!
I suspect this is a test. Users who actually read both copies of each story will be exempted from the normal ad rotation, so that the site can maximize its revenue by showing the same banner over and over.
...
"Wow, an X-10 camera!" (click)
"Wow, an X-10 camera!" (click)
"Looks like Redhat 4 is out already!" (click)
A few hundred repetitions of this, and the money really starts to add up.
---- "If we have to go on with these damned quantum jumps, then I'm sorry that I ever got involved" - Erwin Schrodinger
Sound is just another effective method to provide instant feedback to the user. Use of colour and shapes are also excellent methods.
I think more software should integrate sound, colour, and shapes as informational cues than they do. Less text to read, and yet instant recognition because of the amazing properties of our brains.
The best examples I've seen that use these techniques are games which have lots of options and feedback - like simulated war games, etc... The biggest challenge with those games is coming up with an easy to use and intuitive interface. Sound, colour, and shapes play a crucial role in their design.
Oh pretty lady! Don't with the duplicate stories post!
/Jerry Lewis voice
Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
Sounds like Peep, the Network Auralizer, which I learned about from a Slashdot story from almost a year ago. I haven't looked at this Soundwire project much beyond the links above, but from a quick glance, Peep is a lot further along, a lot more flexible, and wider-reaching.
Yeah, OK, I did too. Still ironic. And yes, for those who like to debate the meaning of Irony (would that subject be Ironology? *), I think that this case does fit the definition pretty damned well.
*- Yes, yes, I expect it would be Etymology or Didactics or something. And arguing that point might be... somewhat ironic?
Be careful! New moon tonight.
I, for one, look forward to the advent of ping music. Ludwig van's been rendered on some pretty fancy instuments, none so expensive as an OC-192.
I can spot a dupe less than a sentence into the summary - because I actually read the summaries on the main page, and I don't even work here. Is it too much to ask the editors to actually READ THE 10-15 ARTICLE SUMMARIES EACH DAY BEFORE SUBMITTING NEW ARTICLES?
/. editor, but I decided against it when they told me I wasn't allowed to read slashdot anymore."
If this happened with articles that were a month old, or happened once a month or something, it might be exusable, but it's happening at least once a week now, and sometimes multiple times per day. That's a pretty shitty success rate for something so easy as remembering an article that's LESS THAN 5 ARTICLES EARLIER!
"I wanted to be a
paintball
The tryptophan is making you hallucinate that there are dupes.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
i don't think we need a story system like kuro5hin, but howabout this: since we already metamoderate the moderators, why not metamoderate the editors? if the problem is that you can identify the editor who posted the story, well, start hiding the editor's identity on the original story so things don't get stupid and personal.
;-P
hide the story submitter's identity as well. i think the editors can handle the blow to their egos, having their little tags removed from the story post. and as someone who has had 2 stories posted here, i can handle not having my name appear on the story i posted, what do i friggin' care?
oh boo hoo hoo! i live to see my name on slashdot! lol
and by the way, in the spirit of slashdot, this post of mine is a dupe, copied verbatim from a previous post just last week... i thought for a second about doing this, but then i don't really want to change things here after all
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
It shouldn't be too hard to add some dupe prevention code to Slash. It seems that you could snag all URLs out of a story and compare them to URLs from the last 60 days or so and if there is a match, present a warning to the editor.
Speaking of dupe detection, I should have checked other comments before I posted. It seems that a nearly identical comment was posted by someone else a few hours earlier.
This one had better links and stuff,
./'d!
a /
like the CCRMA home page.
WWWeeee! We got
Of course I'm biased 'cuz I WORK there and
Chris Chafe is an awesome guy and the project
is super cool...
'skyooz me while I go watch our webserver get
CRUSHED!
Seiously though, the page may be kinda dry, but if you dig you'll find some great stuff. There are links to all the top sound software for Linux and ways to optimize your system for sound and music. Check out
http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/guides/planetccrm
It's an amazing lab, doing great work and producing some amazing open source sound software, as well as testing and distributing the work of many others in the field. And there isn't a windows box in the entire place!
=mortimer
What I really find amusing is that people will take the time to gripe about dupes. After all, those evil editors are taking our precious bandwidth by posting dupes, so we have to make sure we fight the power and complain about it! :P
:)
:D
Yeah, post complaints! Reload the page a few times! Damn the man!
I just find it amusing that we get an entire story of posts saying "dupe!" - as if one post wasn't enough. Nope, just in case I decide to start reading comments at the very freaking middle of the page, there will always be someone there to inform me that this story is, in fact, a dupe! I can't imagine what I would do without that valuable info! Thank you, all 400 of you, that felt the need to uniquely point out that I could have read the same article some 5 articles prior!
The above is not intended seriously, for the humor impaired.
Another Dupe?
/. account with excellent karma, feel free to take over mine.
I'm really not trying to bait flame, but IMHO Slashdot has been slipping more and more recently. Yup, I realise it's free, but that doesn't mean it doesn't need standards.
Anyway, this will be my last post here. If anyone is looking for an
Name: BoBaBrain
Password: password
Be gentle with it.
I am a Karma Library.
Try memigo. It's run by code; no human editors to mess things up. Also, memigo will attach the first (and *only* the first) Slashdot discussion to each link. Most of the time, memigo scoops /. anyway (but the /. discussion will appear there when it gets posted here).
here http://ftp.arl.mil/~mike/ping.html
When I was younger, we used to have a Dragon 32 microcomputer, which loaded up external data through cassette tapes. If I remember correctly, the tape recorder's line out was plugged into a port onto the computer. So to load up a game, you played the tape, which made a whole host of squeakings and gratings. But you could tell, with some practise, when the loading was going well, and when it was going to fail. Kinda like with this article, though in this case, it's with a network.
Lets look at ratios. Three dupes from slashdot, thirteen thousand, four hundred and twelve dupes from idiots bitching about slashdot duping. It's hard to bitch about duping AND be taken seriously, when the bitch is a dupe. Atleast the stories are more interesting ...
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
Not quite; its subnet is down... will be back soon...
Meanwhile, this gets rejected.
I've decided that from now on I'm going to submit every story at least three times. I figure that if something that hasn't been on the front page is in the system 3 times, it has 3 times as much chance of making it onto the front page as a dupe. Since we all know when articles have been posted before, and the editors don't, maybe we should all submit everything at least three times. It's a very crude way of reducing the dupes, but it can't be worse than what we have now.
Of course, then three editors all approve the story at once and we get three consecutive dupes on the front page...
Hopefully if the eds' workload tripled someone would get off their ass and sort this dupe thing out.
Geesh, this makes it 3 dups in one week on the FRONT page??
:)
Too much turkey and wine?
---- Booth was a patriot ----
not only that, but it was a dupe from 15 posts up! at least the original reposter (Seinfeld? Reposter?) posted AC.
Intelligent Life on Earth
You don't expect the people who "edit" this site to actually read it do you?
I am not a number! I am a man! And don't you
Back in the day, when I was connecting to BBS's on an old 14.4kbps modem, I used to be able to troubleshoot line conditions by sound. By playing with some of the initializating strings, one could set the modem speaker to "always on" even after connect. Doing so allowed me to listen for off-sounding noises, which indicated line degradation.
Surprisingly, when I was having a sluggish connection, these noises were, in fact, audible. I wouldn't really think of doing this for a high-speed connecting, that's just odd, but it was useful back then - so who knows!
Hey! Your post is a dupe, too! :)
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased