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Legodeath - Twisted Lego Constructs

Mooseboy writes "I searched /. and was suprised to find that there were no articles that referenced legodeath.com. This site has several lego mini-dioramas depicting torture, execution, domestic accidents, and other scenes of questionable taste. I've had a chance to see it, so you may commence the slashdotting!"

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  1. Oh my god by the+unbeliever · · Score: 2, Funny

    One of the funniest sites I've ever been to. Must begin project to "mirror" this site on my bookshelf.

  2. Tramatic by shunk · · Score: 5, Funny

    That site was so tramatic, I've 'blocked' it out.

    yeah yeah..bad I know.

    1. Re:Tramatic by shunk · · Score: 2, Funny

      See..it was so traumatic that I blocked out how to spell too.

  3. Click through... by Ieshan · · Score: 2

    and watch hundreds of lego masterpieces burn and melt as the webserver on the adjacent desk has a small thermonuclear meltdown.

    Anyone have a mirror? :(

  4. It's not *that* bad... by pVoid · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean, look at them, they're all smiling.

    1. Re:It's not *that* bad... by CMRichar · · Score: 4, Funny

      And I'm absolutely sure the guy on the stake'll tell you that "It's not so bad, it's a dry heat...."

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      "Good night, good work, sleep well, I'll most likely kill you in the morning." - Dread Pirate Roberts
  5. I wonder... by wwelles · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hmmm... makes you wonder if the creator(s) of the site had some issues as children.

    But who cares? It's funny as hell, right up there with http://www.stickdeath.com

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    --- WAL
  6. too much time by shaitand · · Score: 2, Funny

    Either these guys have too much time on their hands or have childhood memories they've blocked out.

    1. Re:too much time by inode_buddha · · Score: 4, Funny

      Did you ever step on a lego block while barefooted?
      Well, nowdays I step on a few compuers.
      'Nuff said

      --
      C|N>K
    2. Re:too much time by Reziac · · Score: 2

      I want to see someone build a torture chamber of old hard disks, in retaliation against the HD that lately savaged my foot.

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    3. Re:too much time by inode_buddha · · Score: 2

      Ditto, that basket full of ISA cards for me *winces*

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      C|N>K
    4. Re:too much time by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Gimme the ISA sound and SCSI cards, and I'll consider torturing the I/O cards for ya.. especially the 8bit COMport cards and those wretched proprietary MFM adapters :)

      I was once attacked and made to bleed by an XT motherboard.. maybe that would make a good foundation. Plug in the 8bit cards and apply a blowtorch until suitably melted. After a certain point it should be indistinguishable from melted legos. :)

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    5. Re:too much time by Reziac · · Score: 2

      It bit me for no reason at all.. here I was trying to save it from being put to sleep, and what reward do I get? blood running down my leg. I gave the evil thing to someone more deserving. :)

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    6. Re:too much time by Reziac · · Score: 2

      And this differs how from the average Slashdotter? :)

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  7. It'd be cooler if... by r0xah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It'd be cooler if they did action movies with the lego characters moving them like clay figures.

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    those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -isaac asimov
    1. Re:It'd be cooler if... by Cyno01 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Go on kazaa, and type in lego. It scares me that people have that much time on their hands. Lego chainsaw massacre and lego blazing saddles are pretty damn funny though.

      --
      "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
    2. Re:It'd be cooler if... by isorox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, that cant be right. Kazaa is only used by pirating terrorists - you cant tell me that peer 2 peer actually has a legal use?!?

    3. Re:It'd be cooler if... by Cyno01 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, that was computers though i'm pretty sure, because their mouths moved and stuff. Still damn funny.

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      "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
  8. They missed something! by trotski · · Score: 5, Funny

    Theres no picture of a melted down server entirely out of lego blocks.... pehaps the slashdot effect will give them a new inspiration for they're site!

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    "Entropy is the bad-guy, and he is everywhere"
  9. Lego death? by fungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    that is lego death!

  10. No stories? by Chacham · · Score: 3, Funny
    I searched /. and was suprised to find that there were no articles that referenced legodeath.com.

    That's strange, when I searched slashdot for it I found it right here.







    :-P

  11. Legodeath? by newsdee · · Score: 4, Funny

    Right now it's Serverdeath...

  12. The red logo's are... by dagg · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Blood! That dude in the rack's head fell off... and it is surrounded by red logo's. That is pretty sick, man!

    Loading up the Flash was annoying at first... but once it all loaded, I didn't seem to have to hit the server again. That's a plus in a case like this. I hate to just see an introduction page... and then nothing else because of a slashdotting.

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    Sex - Find It
    1. Re:The red logo's are... by nautical9 · · Score: 2
      Actually, having a flash-only site like that is very bad design, in several ways:
      • True, you don't see one page and have the rest fail, but I think that's better than seeing no page at all (like so many other posts have indicated upon the initial slashdotting).
      • You're forced to download every "page" in the flash animation, even if you only want to see one.
      • You can't judge the quality of the flash "site" until the entire thing's been downloaded.
      • It breaks the "back" button so many of us rely on - you're forced to use their concept of navigation.
      • There's no way to link or bookmark a specific page, destroying one of the greatest functionalities of the Net (mind you, some could argue this is a good thing, like those sites who don't WANT to be deep-linked).
      • Flash is not nearly as widely supported as plain old HTML on various platforms.
      • Profit! (sorry - it felt wrong to make a list on Slashdot without having this entry...)
      Now, Flash can be useful, especially for animated comics and whatnot, but there's nothing at this site that requires it. The camera-panning can just as easily be accomplished with javascript (or even regular links, albeit they'd be a lot slower), and then if someone doesn't have javascript enabled, at least they still see the first frame.

      Sorry for the rant - I'm just not a big fan of "fad" technologies that break away from the web standards so many are trying to push.
  13. Nicely Choreographed by Mirell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now what would be nice if the designer of these works of art actually sat down with a CAD software for Legos, such as MCLAD, and nicely worked out all the specific designs, and determined the best view-points, then rendered them with POV-Ray...

    Maybe it's best most engineers aren't really artists per se...

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    We have so much time, and so little to do - strike that! Reverse it. Tryn Mirell
  14. Let me tell you ... by Maxime+Lefrancois · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... that it's also the death of his server.

    1. Re:Let me tell you ... by Monkeyman334 · · Score: 3, Funny


      HAHAHA!! Wouldn't it be funny if he had a LEGO server. And while we were killing his LEGO server he took pictures of it, and put it on his site?? No. It wouldn't be funny. And neither is your joke.

  15. Mirror by Cyno01 · · Score: 2, Informative
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    "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
    1. Re:Mirror by IanBevan · · Score: 2, Troll

      Crikey - even the google cache has been slashdotted ! Now *that's* impressive. I think we should collectively sell our services as the ultimate distributed load testing tool.

    2. Re:Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The link contains a flash. Google doesn't cache flash (or gif), therefore the cache is useless in this instance. The pause is google's cache page trying to load the flash of the original site.

  16. Occupational Hazards? by Cyclometh · · Score: 2, Funny

    My favorite has to be the one with the cannon. I literally fell out of my chair laughing at that one. I think I scared the cat.

  17. mediocre by jonnyfivealive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    perhaps it hasnt been on slashdot before because theyre pathetic compared to the other useless but nonetheless amazing lego stuff out there...

  18. its a redirect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
  19. Re:Ugh! by jred · · Score: 2

    Ack! Where'd this wire come from???

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    jred
    I'm not a mechanic but I play one in my garage...
  20. I'm sick!! (Don't read me) by interactive_civilian · · Score: 3, Funny
    So...does this plus this equal "Lego Necrophilia"??

    No...I didn't really say that...go read some other comments or something.

    /me slinks away in shame... ^^;

    --
    "Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
  21. These people have PROBLEMS by Cokelee · · Score: 4, Funny

    They must be psychotic, they use FRAMES!
    I wish Lego Killing was their only problem!

  22. I Can Beat That by shoemakc · · Score: 5, Funny


    My gift to you, the slashdot community...

    Jar Jar Binks...being tortured...in lego.

    -Chris

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    --an unbreakable toy is useful for breaking other toys--
    1. Re:I Can Beat That by cybermace5 · · Score: 2

      *drum roll*

      Everyone say hi to Xenocide from The Conversatron! ;-)

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      ...
  23. Stickdeath link for Lazy click people =) by toby360 · · Score: 2, Funny
  24. Leocad anyone? by newsdee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It would be nice to have these models as Leocad files so that we can make our own modifications and contributions. :-)

  25. I thought it looked familiar by fidget42 · · Score: 2

    UserFriendly had this sight as a Link of the Day back in February.

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    The dogcow says "Moof!"
  26. Re:How about some newsworthy sites? by antirename · · Score: 3, Funny

    This IS funny. In my opinion. Huh. Maybe I'm not normal... you know, my boss doesn't read slashdot, and HE seems normal. Maybe it's a conspiracy. Dammit, you've got me WORRIED now. I'll just recompile my kernel, or upgrade to Redhat 8.0 or something even though I don't need to... that'll make me feel normal again... hey wait...

  27. violent imagery = cry for help by GoatPigSheep · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone who enjoys death, psychotic violent imagery, or gore has serious mental issues. Wether it be with legos, video games, or pictures.

    It is likely the people who created this are using it as a cry for help, and I pray they do not manifest their violent thoughts in ways other than lego. Hopefully they will seek the professional help they need.

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    GoatPigSheep, the 3 most important food groups
  28. what about this site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    1. Re:what about this site? by xsfo · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Polish artist Zbigniew Libera's Holocaust Lego kits are amazingly subversive pieces of contemporary art. I love them and I would not hesitate to get those kits if they were available. They are much more compelling than Legodeath. Legodeath seems almost amateurish in comparison. With the Holocaust Lego, Libera not only constructed Lego scenes but created Lego box packaging for fictional Lego Holocaust sets. Brilliant.

      Imagine: Mommy, can I get another gas chamber for my concentration camp?

      First you're shocked by the subject matter (whoa...).
      Then perhaps sickened a little (oh that's just wrong!).
      Finally facinated by the idea (where can I get one of these kits?).

  29. Don't worry... by updog · · Score: 5, Funny
    I searched /. and was suprised to find that there were no articles that referenced legodeath.com.

    Don't worry, I'm sure after this, you'll find this site referenced many times on /., sometimes even referenced a couple of times the same day... :-)

  30. It's official. Slashdot is now FARK... by Curious__George · · Score: 2

    but without the boobies.

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    ***General Consultant to the Human Race*** My opinions are free. You get what you pay for.
  31. Re:Ugh! by Keebler71 · · Score: 2

    How dare you make fun of the anti-Microsoft Nazis....see they already modded you as flamebait... for pointing out that it is yet another lego article... Note... if you had said it was a moon-landing conspiracy or Patriot Act privacy conspiracy, you'd have been modded up as insightful.

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    "It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance." - Thomas Sowell
  32. Mindless modding by MacAndrew · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's a pity that (apparently) sincere opinion in the parent is labeled a "troll." Did the modder notice that the story's author was actually soliciting opinion??? Or merely object to the parent's fairly mainstream opinion? (Not that minority viewpoints, if sincere and explained, should be censored.) I mean, what sort of reaction are we to infer is correct -- "Uhhh, good use of the new #6781 black Legos, but I think the site's HTML is kind of weak."?

    Maybe the poster's silly, maybe I don't even agree. But if the Lego work is free speech (yes), let be the critique. There is a lot of criticism on here of suppression of free speech by governments (China/filtering, U.S./DMCA), corporations (Microsoft), and individuals. Why so little of intolerant /. modders who don't like "liberal" complaints?

    Save your mod points for +mods. M2 this waste of time "unfair." [/rant] Ah, that helped.

  33. Re:Ugh! by MacAndrew · · Score: 2

    Thou shalt not ridicule the party view. Beldar, commence deletion of user profile!

    But Evil Adrian is unwittingly (?) on to something. (Cf. MS press release.)

  34. Re:Just plain bad taste by lvdrproject · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This site was around LONG before the sniper attacks. Just because a couple of psycho fucking losers goes around shooting people doesn't mean that the whole world should stop what they're doing and get all hyper-sensitive about violence. They are P-L-A-S-T-I-C. It's supposed to be F-U-N-N-Y. I consider myself a pacifist, and this does not offend me in any way. And, to go back to the whole "whenever something bad happens we should all get anal about violence", there's a great quote a heard once, that goes something like:

    -Vietnam (Takeover Failure): 3 500 000 Dead
    -Cambodia (Carpet Bombs): 2 000 000 Dead
    -Iraq (Sanctions aftermath) 1 700 000 Dead
    -Dresden (Saturation Bombing): 500 000 Dead
    -Laos (Rain Bombs): 500 000 Dead
    -Guatemala (Guatemalan Genocide): 200 000 Dead
    -Afghanistan (Muslim Genocide): 100 000 Dead
    -Israel (Palestinian Genocide): 100 000 Dead
    -Hiroshima (Atomic Bomb): 100 000 Dead
    -Tokyo (Fire Bombs): 80 000 Dead
    -Nagasaki (Atomic Bomb): 50 000 Dead

    September 11: 3500? Only? Oh, get over it.

    Harsh way of putting it, for sure, but you get the point. These things that happen to the US are horrible, horrible tragedies, yes, but i didn't see anyone in the United States skip a beat when the above things happened to other people. Many Americans have this kind of superiority complex, where they think they are the centre of the Universe, and that everybody else in the world should feel sorry for them whenever they are "picked on".

    :Lav

  35. OMG! by jonr · · Score: 2

    A submitter who claims he actually vistited the site before it got slashdotted! STOP PRESS! This is news!
    Anyway, how can I get through that evil Flash gatekeeper?
    J.

  36. Re:LDRAW! by LMariachi · · Score: 2

    LeoCAD uses the LDraw format.

  37. Oh boy.. questionable taste. by DoctorNathaniel · · Score: 2

    Yes, that's why I continue to read slashdot; I don't get enough questionable taste in life, particularly where it deals with plastic toys.

    Ok, I'm all for plastic toys, but I'd really prefer if people kept the questionable taste to themselves. Not all geeks are actually _demented_ you know.

    ---Nathaniel

  38. Admit it! by vjzuylen · · Score: 3, Funny

    Seriously, though. None of you ever built these contraptions when you were a kid? I mean, not even once? Come on!

    Uh... Me neither. Just-- just checking, you know. (shuffles away quietly)

    --

    Hee-hee. Dying tickles!
  39. Re:Just plain bad taste by jeorgen · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Vietnam (Takeover Failure): 3 500 000 Dead
    -Cambodia (Carpet Bombs): 2 000 000 Dead
    -Iraq (Sanctions aftermath) 1 700 000 Dead
    -Dresden (Saturation Bombing): 500 000 Dead
    -Laos (Rain Bombs): 500 000 Dead
    -Guatemala (Guatemalan Genocide): 200 000 Dead
    -Afghanistan (Muslim Genocide): 100 000 Dead
    -Israel (Palestinian Genocide): 100 000 Dead
    -Hiroshima (Atomic Bomb): 100 000 Dead
    -Tokyo (Fire Bombs): 80 000 Dead
    -Nagasaki (Atomic Bomb): 50 000 Dead
    September 11: 3500? Only? Oh, get over it.

    Could you explain to me how you so conveniently leave out communist and other totalitarian atrocities, which are in much greater numbers? Not to mention the fact that some of the casualties you do list are questionable as being labeled genocide. The only reason I can see for this perversly skewed selection is that you hate democracy and the western world and want anything else to take its place. If you had listed a more balanced tally, it would have been interesting.

    As it stands now it is just an attempt to induce emotional responses in people in line with some anti lberal, anti democrat sentiment, in the hope that the slashdot readership will only look at your info. Maybe it worked with poor peasants in North Korea who did not have the freedom of information to find out these things for themselves, but thankfully we can all get ourselves a more balanced view of the world than from the obvious troll that is the parent of this post.

    It's pretty sickening to see somebody use other peoples death and suffering as an excuse for peddling the death camp of totalitarianism, which is by omission and obvious bias, what your post does.

    /jeorgen

  40. Re:Just plain bad taste by lvdrproject · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Uhhh... i believe that i mentioned that i saw this quote somewhere; it is not mine, i took it from somebody else's post on a forum that i've been known to visit. I'm very much aware that there are many other examples that could have been used, and most likely some of these numbers are probably incorrect as well. The point i was trying to make was the fact that the United States lives in such a distorted world, where every time some little thing ("little" in this sence used in comparison to other things, such as those listed in my post) happens to them, everybody acts like they live in such a harsh, cruel world.

    I live in the United States, and i by no means hate the Western world, nor do i support socialism. I just think that the US has lost touch with who they are and what they stand for, and the fact that there are indeed other people living in this world.

  41. Re:Just plain bad taste by kungfuBreaks · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >Israel (Palestinian Genocide): 100 000 Dead

    What a load of horseshit. I'd love to see your sources (and no, The Guardian and The Independent don't fucking cut it). Yeah, the Israelis have made their share of costly mistakes, but this is plain ridiculous. What, they killed more Palestinians than the atomic bomb? Riiight. And WTF is up with the Vietnam - takeover failure business? What, it was all about oil or something? I guess everybody was _so_ much better off under Communist rule. Or perhaps you learned your history from Noam Chomsky (only).

    And you didn't see anyone in the US skip a beat did you? I mean, you _have_ heard about this thing we like to call 'the left', right? The Americans may be self-centered or arrogant, but I'm not sure how that excuses the sort of despicable statements you're making.

    I don't mind getting modded down for this (which I know I will be), I just wish people would address the actual points I made (I can just see the European responses now: "Points you made? You, sir, are an idiot. Americans/Jews must die"). And once again, Arab News articles and other racist state propaganda are _not_ acceptable sources.

    And don't even get me started on the Americans being the 'real' racists; whoever sincerely believes that obviously hasn't travelled very widely. I mean fuck, am I the only one who gives a shit about womens rights? Or how about human rights? Does no one else reaise 'human rights violations' doesn't mean 'human rights violations commited by Israelis"? No wonder the Americans are running the world -- everybody else's brain seems to have turned to mush all of a sudden.

  42. Re:Just plain bad taste by jeorgen · · Score: 2
    Uhhh... i believe that i mentioned that i saw this quote somewhere; it is not mine, i took it from somebody else's post on a forum that i've been known to visit. I'm very much aware that there are many other examples that could have been used, and most likely some of these numbers are probably incorrect as well.

    OK, then I'll stop fuming over here :-)

    The careful (well, actually careless) selection of data in the quote is just by-the-book standard "revolutionary" argumentation, hence the response.

    Cheers
    /jeorgen
    euliberals.net

  43. How about lego sex? by jeepliberty · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sex and violence. Thats entertainment. Here a LEGO sex link: Lego sex. I was surprised that Bill and Monica weren't portrayed.

  44. Ah, yes by cluening · · Score: 2

    This reminds me of 4 years ago when my own Lego-death scenes made the /. front page. You know, back when /. was fun to read still. Unfortunately, the server they live on is having a little net problem right now, else I would put up another link...

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    Posted from the wireless couch.
  45. Re:At the expense of killing the levity... by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Just FYI: No assistance from the LEGO Company whatsoever. I think they even sued the artist, but please do your own google search on that. Notice however, that his packages have no LEGO logo.

    Actually, his packages do have the LEGO logo (just look at the pictures), and according to articles at the site, he got support in the form of free pieces from LEGO at the beginning of the project (before they knew what it would be); once they found out, they tried to get him to reconsider and did all they could to distance themselves from it, but didn't actually sue him:

    When Libera requested the LEGOs from the company's Warsaw representative, he planned to create sets for a prison and a hospital, but the project evolved into a concentration camp. According to a press release issued by the LEGO Group, "If the had described his ultimate project to us in advance, he naturally would not have received a single LEGOelement from us!"

    From another article on the page:

    Libera created his piece by assembling Lego blocks into replicas of death camp facilities, photographing them and then using the photos to adorn authentic-looking Lego cardboard packages, complete with the disassembled pieces, the company logo and multi-language safety warnings.

    Another quote:

    The display is so unsettling in its playful simplicity that the Lego Group, which sponsors Lego art contests and donates thousands of plastic pieces to artists around the world, tried to persuade Libera to withdraw it from public view. Only when lawyers became involved did the company give up. "It is a theme that is so sensitive to so many people in so many countries," said Peter Ambeck-Madsen, Lego's director of public relations at the company headquarters in Billund, Denmark. "If we had known before what he was going to do, we never would have given him the bricks. But we talked about it and decided [that] to make a big thing about it now would only draw more attention."

    And another:

    Danish art critics raved about the display. But Lego officials feared a public relations disaster. They fretted in particular over a statement on each of the imitation Lego packages explicitly linking Libera and Lego." This work of Zbigniew Libera has been sponsored by Lego System," it states. Libera maintains that donated supplies amount to sponsorship, but the company says it never gave him the authority to use its name or logo as an implied endorsement. Ambeck-Madsen, the Lego executive, said the faux packaging is so realistic that a Jewish organization in Sweden threatened to organize a boycott of Lego because offended members believed the company had manufactured the boxes.

    There's more, but I trust you get the idea. The packages quite clearly do feature the LEGO logo, and look like real LEGO set boxes, and he apparently received free pieces from the company before they knew what he'd do with them.

  46. Re:Just plain bad taste by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2
    Harsh way of putting it, for sure, but you get the point. These things that happen to the US are horrible, horrible tragedies, yes, but i didn't see anyone in the United States skip a beat when the above things happened to other people. Many Americans have this kind of superiority complex, where they think they are the centre of the Universe, and that everybody else in the world should feel sorry for them whenever they are "picked on".

    George W Bush: Let it be known that any country which harbours, or funds, terrorists or terrorist activities, will be considered our enemy.

    Wag in crowd: Are you aware that a major source of funding for, say, the IRA, is the US of A? This country funds terrorism too, you know.

    George W Bush: ... ... ... Have that man shot.

    It's funny because it's true.

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  47. A more disturbing Lego Site by sjvn · · Score: 2

    to my mind is: The Brick Testament. The Bible in Lego. As anyone who's really read the Bible knows there's some disturbing stuff in there. Seeing some of that material in Lego makes it even more troublesome.

    http://www.thereverend.com/brick_testament/

    Fair warning: The site is Extremely slow.

    Steven

  48. Re:Just plain bad taste by FurryFeet · · Score: 2

    Could you explain to me how you so conveniently leave out communist and other totalitarian atrocities, which are in much greater numbers?

    Because they don't feel they have the right to have the world bow to them after someone sets them up the bomb (plane, whatever).
    Now, back to the discussion about Legos. Freakin' Legos, for God's sake. Someone needs to take themselves/the world/damn legos so seriously.
    (Religious nuts: Yeah, yeah, I sad "God" and "damn". I'm going to hell. See you there).

  49. Re:I've never heard of "compuers" before by inode_buddha · · Score: 2

    Typo. OK, I was trashed. It should read "computers"

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    C|N>K
  50. Re:Missed these: by lvdrproject · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Late in the discussion, but i'd like to point you to a reply i made above. I didn't make these numbers up, i stated explicitly in my post that these are someone else's numbers. For anybody that missed it before, YES, SOME OF THE NUMBERS ARE INCORRECT, YES, SOME OF THE NUMBERS ARE BIASED. I DO NOT DISPUTE IT. I pasted the quote to prove a point, not to deliver concise and super-accurate death tolls.

    And for the record, i'm neither a liberal nor a conservative, i fall somewhere inbetween. I'm the first person to insult either side, and while i'm not a politician, and i don't play one on television, i think some of the things that the United States (and other countries, of course, but my post was in reply to a person who appears (from my perspective) to be one of the "oh no the United States is getting picked on, let's all change our way of life" people", so i'm keeping to the topic of the US) do are just plain against common sence. (Yeah, that was a big parenthetical explanation, sorry, but i don't want people to get the wrong idea about me again. :/ )

    So anyway, i'm sorry if those numbers offended people; i used them strictly for making a point that the world is a bigger place than the United States. Insert any other numbers in there if you want, the places/events/exact numbers/etc., don't matter.

    :Lav