Slashdot Mirror
Russia's Role in the ISS in Trouble
Uhh_Duh writes "cnn.com is reporting that the Russian space program has fallen on hard times and is no longer capable of launching independent missions due to budget problems. The article touches on the fact that their annual funding is about 309 million versus the U.S. budget of 15 billion. They've also announced that they will not be meeting most of their future deliverables for the international space station." (corrected, the title originally said "IIS" instead of "ISS)
First Post is indeed an art. But with so many artists out there... it's hard to break in, whether by sweat or by silicon.
It's not really an AI problem... it's not a matter of outwitting Slashdot, it's just a matter of being at the right place at the right time.
Meanwhile, we're getting some great suggestions in the First Post Journal. Thank you for your indulgence!
Generated by FirstPost! version 1.2.0
Horrors! The First Post Robot has been banned
Oh, wait...
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
in soviet russia... countries play roles in web servers!
"Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?"
The IIS Roles in trouble...
Russia's working on Internet Information Server?
It's ISS you moron!
For a second there I thought my IIS server was going to start serving up "IN SOVIET RUSSIA" web pages!
You know you're a geek if you've ever replied to a tagline.
...or should that heading have read ISS rather than IIS :-)
...how many people thought Russia was being fucked by Internet Information Server?
Schnapple
Yes!
--
I FAIL IT!
I am a disgrace to first post. This is not first post, this is a FAILURE.
the IIS is in trouble with YOU
Nero-burning ROM for Linux!
Props
on the speed at which you preemptivly caught all the Soviet jokes
I have great faith in fools; My friends call it self-confidence. Edgar Allan Poe 1809-1845
When will Windows follow?
Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!
Offtopic? OK so now pointing out errors in article summaries on the front page is OT?
:)
Metamod away, please
Anyone ever wonder if they make these typos on purpose just to what kind of witty responses we can come up with?
from this story? I was sure we had used up all possible IN SOVIET RUSSIA jokes there.
Brevity is the soul of wit
-- Polonius
He's just about due for a comeback, or dead.
I'm sib888, and I approved this comment.
Brilliant, the IIS was doomed from the word go.
Internet Information Server (IIS) has doomed from the get go. Can we talk about the International Space Station (ISS) in this thread instead?
Who cares about RPG Codex.... ...
Now this is news...
(but Rob won't post it cause he is busy honeymooning)
U.S. firms move IT overseas
U.S. firms move IT overseas
By Ed Frauenheim Special to ZDNet News December 11, 2002, 5:07 AM PT
Under pressure from overseas rivals, U.S. companies selling information technology services have a new mantra: If you can't beat them, join them.
IT services companies are jostling to promise customers cheaper, flexible services using technology professionals in low-wage countries such as India, China and Mexico. Hewlett-Packard is the latest U.S.-based company to announce its overseas intentions. At a meeting with financial analysts last week, Ann Livermore, HP's services chief, said the company plans to relocate a major portion of its IT services work to India.
"We think customers are going to put a lot of pricing pressure on the consulting and integration market," Livermore said. "We are going to aggressively move everything we can offshore."
HP already has several thousand services employees in India. The company said it will give a more detailed version of its offshore consulting plan in January.
Last month, computer services giant Electronic Data Services announced its "Best Shore" program, promising a 40 percent increase in personnel and resources devoted to low-cost applications services centers around the world. EDS currently has 4,500 employees working out of 13 Best Shore facilities, which are located in cities such as Chennai, India; Sao Paulo, Brazil; and Wellington, New Zealand.
In addition, IBM's services wing says that for more than a year it's had what it too calls a "Best Shore" strategy. Big Blue has services centers in the low-cost countries of India, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, Canada and China.
Frances Karamouzis, an analyst with market research firm Gartner, said U.S.-based IT service providers are going abroad as a response to competition from Indian technology services companies such as Infosys and Wipro. "These are ways to position their competitive offering to the Indian firms," Karamouzis said.
Those Indian businesses are faring much better than their U.S. counterparts amid the tech downturn. In the most recent two quarters, Infosys saw sales rise 26 percent, and Wipro's revenue jumped 26 percent. In contrast, EDS's revenue for the past three quarters edged up only 4 percent, and IT services provider Computer Science's sales for the past two quarters increased less than 1 percent.
Even so, Indian-based companies are siphoning off just a few drops from the U.S. IT bucket. Karamouzis estimates they take in about $6 billion per year, or less than 5 percent of U.S. IT spending. But the offshore model has gained a foothold and will grow, she predicted.
Indian companies began to take on low-profile tasks like legacy software maintenance in the early 1990s, Karamouzis said. By focusing on quality, they gained the confidence of U.S. corporations, and now they are working on more important applications, she said.
IT's passage to India Already, more than 300 of the Fortune 500 firms do business with Indian IT services companies, according to Gartner. The research firm predicts that by 2004, more than 80 percent of U.S companies will have considered using offshore IT services. In addition, more than 40 percent of U.S. corporations will have completed some type of offshore IT pilot program or will be using IT services with an overseas component by that time.
"That IT work is headed offshore is confirmed by a November report from Forrester Reseach. It estimated that the number of computer jobs moving overseas will grow from 27,171 in 2000 to 472,632 five years after that. Forrester researchers predict that other services--including call center services and back-office accounting--will follow IT operations in moving abroad."
By 2015, a total of 3.3 million U.S. jobs and $136 billion in wages will transfer offshore to countries such as India, Russia, China and the Philippines, according to Forrester.
Reasons for the shift start with lower wages. HP pegs the cost of a talented programmer in India at about $20,000 a year, a fraction of the cost of a top U.S. tech worker.
Other factors fueling the shift offshore, according to Forrester, include the emergence of low-cost high-bandwidth telecommunications links, standardized business applications and Internet-based collaborative tools.
Greater flexibility also may entice customers to prefer an offshore model or a combination of offshore and onshore services. With operations in both the United States and Asia, an IT services company can offer clients around-the-clock support--or what EDS calls a "follow the sun" capability.
Not everyone believes the U.S. IT industry is on the verge of withering away. Norm Matloff, a computer science professor at the University of California at Davis, argues that the need for face-to-face interaction remains vital for programming projects. "Most U.S. firms will find that it is just not worth it to outsource software development overseas on a large scale," he said.
Gartner's Karamouzis agreed Matloff has a point, especially when it comes to software companies' core products and to applications that require a great deal of expertise in a particular industry, such as banking.
However, Indian firms typically can accomplish IT projects for U.S. clients with 90 percent to 95 percent of the work done in India, she said. She estimated that as much as 40 percent to 50 percent of U.S. IT services work could be done overseas in the next five to 10 years--raising serious concerns about the prospects for U.S. IT workers.
Ah HA! Thank you ladies and gentlemens!
IIS makes jokes about YOU!
now Microsoft is blaming Russia?
PC moderators can suck my White pierced, tattooed dick. If you think pride == hate, s/dick/Aryan meat mallet/g.
Who cares about ISS .... ...
Now this is news...(but Rob won't post it cause he is busy honeymooning)
U.S. firms move IT overseas
U.S. firms move IT overseas
By Ed Frauenheim Special to ZDNet News December 11, 2002, 5:07 AM PT
Under pressure from overseas rivals, U.S. companies selling information technology services have a new mantra: If you can't beat them, join them.
IT services companies are jostling to promise customers cheaper, flexible services using technology professionals in low-wage countries such as India, China and Mexico. Hewlett-Packard is the latest U.S.-based company to announce its overseas intentions. At a meeting with financial analysts last week, Ann Livermore, HP's services chief, said the company plans to relocate a major portion of its IT services work to India.
"We think customers are going to put a lot of pricing pressure on the consulting and integration market," Livermore said. "We are going to aggressively move everything we can offshore."
HP already has several thousand services employees in India. The company said it will give a more detailed version of its offshore consulting plan in January.
Last month, computer services giant Electronic Data Services announced its "Best Shore" program, promising a 40 percent increase in personnel and resources devoted to low-cost applications services centers around the world. EDS currently has 4,500 employees working out of 13 Best Shore facilities, which are located in cities such as Chennai, India; Sao Paulo, Brazil; and Wellington, New Zealand.
In addition, IBM's services wing says that for more than a year it's had what it too calls a "Best Shore" strategy. Big Blue has services centers in the low-cost countries of India, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, Canada and China.
Frances Karamouzis, an analyst with market research firm Gartner, said U.S.-based IT service providers are going abroad as a response to competition from Indian technology services companies such as Infosys and Wipro. "These are ways to position their competitive offering to the Indian firms," Karamouzis said.
Those Indian businesses are faring much better than their U.S. counterparts amid the tech downturn. In the most recent two quarters, Infosys saw sales rise 26 percent, and Wipro's revenue jumped 26 percent. In contrast, EDS's revenue for the past three quarters edged up only 4 percent, and IT services provider Computer Science's sales for the past two quarters increased less than 1 percent.
Even so, Indian-based companies are siphoning off just a few drops from the U.S. IT bucket. Karamouzis estimates they take in about $6 billion per year, or less than 5 percent of U.S. IT spending. But the offshore model has gained a foothold and will grow, she predicted.
Indian companies began to take on low-profile tasks like legacy software maintenance in the early 1990s, Karamouzis said. By focusing on quality, they gained the confidence of U.S. corporations, and now they are working on more important applications, she said.
IT's passage to India Already, more than 300 of the Fortune 500 firms do business with Indian IT services companies, according to Gartner. The research firm predicts that by 2004, more than 80 percent of U.S companies will have considered using offshore IT services. In addition, more than 40 percent of U.S. corporations will have completed some type of offshore IT pilot program or will be using IT services with an overseas component by that time.
"That IT work is headed offshore is confirmed by a November report from Forrester Reseach. It estimated that the number of computer jobs moving overseas will grow from 27,171 in 2000 to 472,632 five years after that. Forrester researchers predict that other services--including call center services and back-office accounting--will follow IT operations in moving abroad."
By 2015, a total of 3.3 million U.S. jobs and $136 billion in wages will transfer offshore to countries such as India, Russia, China and the Philippines, according to Forrester.
Reasons for the shift start with lower wages. HP pegs the cost of a talented programmer in India at about $20,000 a year, a fraction of the cost of a top U.S. tech worker.
Other factors fueling the shift offshore, according to Forrester, include the emergence of low-cost high-bandwidth telecommunications links, standardized business applications and Internet-based collaborative tools.
Greater flexibility also may entice customers to prefer an offshore model or a combination of offshore and onshore services. With operations in both the United States and Asia, an IT services company can offer clients around-the-clock support--or what EDS calls a "follow the sun" capability.
Not everyone believes the U.S. IT industry is on the verge of withering away. Norm Matloff, a computer science professor at the University of California at Davis, argues that the need for face-to-face interaction remains vital for programming projects. "Most U.S. firms will find that it is just not worth it to outsource software development overseas on a large scale," he said.
Gartner's Karamouzis agreed Matloff has a point, especially when it comes to software companies' core products and to applications that require a great deal of expertise in a particular industry, such as banking.
However, Indian firms typically can accomplish IT projects for U.S. clients with 90 percent to 95 percent of the work done in India, she said. She estimated that as much as 40 percent to 50 percent of U.S. IT services work could be done overseas in the next five to 10 years--raising serious concerns about the prospects for U.S. IT workers.
see subject
In Soviet Russia, tax dollars pay for boy bands!
Now aren't you sad you bothered to check for replies?
Celestis, Inc. launches people into space for only $4800. Gene Roddenberry and Timothy Leary have already made the trip. And I for one would be willing to chip in for the cremation costs.
Worst. Sig. Ever.
Of course, they might have had a role in the trouble with IIS, but I place most of the blame on Bill.
Who votes for adding the phrase "In Soviet Russia" to the lameness filter? Sheesh, it's old already.
Hmm, isn't the US bankrupt too? Last time I checked, it has been for over 100 years....
In Captitalist America I'd charge you per post for all the "In Soviet Russia" messages I just had to wade through...
Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.
How many of these IIS/ISS posts are we going to see? I think I've counted about 50 so far.
In Soviet Russia, In Soviet Russia jokes have you!
In Soviet Russia, the state appreciates you checking for replies.
what a Beowulf cluster of "In Soviet Russia" posts would look like.
How many of these IIS/ISS posts are we going to see? I think I've counted about 51 so far.
"Are they going to switch to apache instead?"
They did, it was called Mir. It was very patchy.
No, last time I checked the government was still paying off on their debts.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
Hell, the headline was misspelled.
:P
I think that's on topic
I heard the Lone Gunmen are dead!
Fascism starts when the efficiency of the government becomes more important than the rights of the people.
How many of these IIS/ISS posts are we going to see? I think I've counted about 52 so far.
"Brilliant, the IIS was doomed from the word go."
If you didn't know that after CodeRed, did it really take Nimda to tell you this?
--
Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
How many of these IIS/ISS posts are we going to see? I think I've counted about 53 so far.
The article touches on the fact that their annual funding is about 309 million versus the U.S. budget of 15 billion.
Also considered a contributing factor, the Russians' budget was in Roubles, the Americans' in US Dollars.
Fuck it
Eat my cock.
I don't think so. How can you pay off a debt if you don't own anything? Everything in the US (property wise) is owned by the Federal Reserve (the underwriter to the US dollar) The 1913 Federal Reserve Act transfered all present and future property of the US and any US citizen to the Federal Reserve in exchange for unlimmited amount of printed currency :-), so since the US doesn't own anything, how can it pay of a debt? Monopoly money?
Raf
anyone else read that as "russia's hole in iis"
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire
Thats probably why they can't launch anymore, the expliots in IIS have let people get access to financial info and have transfered the money to their bank accounts.
What A Coun-try! Yay red, white & blue! What A Coun-try! Yay red, white & blue! What A Coun-try! What A Coun-try! What A Coun-try! What A Coun-try! Yay red, white & blue! What A Coun-try! What A Coun-try! What A Coun-try! Yay red, white & blue! What A Coun-try! What A Coun-try! Yay red, white & blue! What A Coun-try! What A Coun-try! What A Coun-try! Yay red, white & blue! Yay red, white & blue!
In Soviet Russia, Yakov sues YOU!!
read the article, fucktard
No, that's "morally bankrupt", which is a different thing entireley.
No, this is not a troll/flamebit, I challenge anyone to show any hard evedence of the US government showing any form of moral integrity!
well, yeah, but it had a hefty uptime still.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Well, yes, that too... But, like I said before, it is finacialy bankrupt too. If I find some time, I will dig up some of the old Acts/Laws...
In Soviet Russia, hard times fall on YOU!!!
You like your new Mac more than you like me, don't you, Dave? Dave? I asked...She said Yes.
"well, yeah, but it had a hefty uptime still."
It wasn't that impressive. When it crashed, it needed replacment.
"It [Mir] wasn't that impressive. When it crashed, it needed replacment."
It blue-skied.
"Derp de derp."
Final Post?
This is just wonderful. A *bunch* of my posts got modded all the way down to -1 Off Topic in relation to the Soviets and IIS. I lost 11 karma points over it!
When the article was originally posted, it said IIS and not ISS. That means that my jokes were on-topic, not off-topic.
If I had lost one ore two points, I wouldn't even care. (heck, even 4'd be fine since that's how many comments I made.) But 11?!
That is rather overly zealous moderation