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Spirited Away Wins Award; Cowboy Bebop Opening Soon

May Kasahara writes "Hayao Miyazaki's Spirited Away just won the Best Animated Feature award from the Los Angeles Film Critics Association. Note that last year's winner in this category was Shrek, which then went on to win the Best Animated Feature Oscar. The article says it's still too soon to detect a pattern, but IMHO, Spirited Away is the best film among this year's eligible Oscar selections, and at any rate, it's good karma :)" And rnb writes "I'm not sure when the listing was created, and unfortunately, I don't have much more information, but imdb has a January 2003 release date for the Cowboy Bebop: Knocking On Heavens Door. Yahoo also has a listing that seems to indicate this limited release may only be in LA and NY, but I'm still hoping to get it in at least one theater here in Philadelphia."

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  1. Metropolis by nuhonda · · Score: 2, Interesting

    bummer that Metropolis got skipped due to timing.

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    1. Re:Metropolis by cqnn · · Score: 2

      Especially since it was in theatrical release
      several months before Spirited Away.

    2. Re:Metropolis by Hanno · · Score: 2

      Bummer that Metropolis was a major disappointment of a movie...

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  2. Good Review - Bay Area Anime by StCredZero · · Score: 3, Informative

    A very well written review.

  3. Bebop by The+Raven · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm glad that the Cowboy Bebop movie is finally out, though I have only a slim chance to see it in theaters... I'll probably have to wait for the DVD.

    For those who have not heard of Cowboy Bebop, it's a dark humor anime with a very unique soundtrack... very stylish. 26 OAV episodes, 13 of which were released for TV, 13 only on OAV... you can often tell which are which pretty easily, since the OAV only episodes are darker and carry more of the plot. It's worth a view if you like anime, and if you don't like anime... well, may God save your soul! ^_^

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    1. Re:Bebop by Microlith · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, TV Tokyo determined that the series was, as a whole, too violent to air entirely, and picked 12 episodes to show. WOWOW later picked it up and aired all of it.

      I have a big node on Everything2 under Cowboy Bebop all about that.

      But generally, even for a TV series/OAV, the budget for the show was incredibly high, and it paid of well for Sunrise.

      Oh, and for fans of the music, a new show called "Wolf Rain" is coming, with Yoko Kanno and the Seatbelts at the helm of the soundtrack.

    2. Re:Bebop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I thought that the Seatbelts were a fictitious band comprised of those individuals whom Yoko Kanno had called upon to perform. The actual band, the Seatbelts, was in the Bebop timeline and these musicians were merely playing their roles in the Seatbelts.

    3. Re:Bebop by Microlith · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not really.

      It was created for the explicit purpose of creating the music for Bebop, and was done so months before production of the animation had even begun.

      The Seatbelts, however, exist beyond Bebop. I believe they _did_ do an album after Bebop, but information on that is sparse.

      Regardless, they are not solely a part of Bebop and will be returning to do Wolf Rain.

      And I'm going to burn my f#$%@ comma key off I swear...

    4. Re:Bebop by Myuu · · Score: 2

      IMHO...Cowboy Bebop: Knocking On Heavens Door is one of the greatest anime movies out there. I saw it a few months after 9/11 and...well all i could say was "woah".

      Got to love how dark CB is...bioterriosiom...violence.

      Think I will watch that tonight.

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    5. Re:Bebop by FunkyChild · · Score: 2

      The Seatbelts, however, exist beyond Bebop. I believe they _did_ do an album after Bebop, but information on that is sparse.

      Well I know they did some live concerts. There's a live recording of them on the 'Future Blues' DVD.

    6. Re:Bebop by FunkyChild · · Score: 2

      Not the Knocking on Heaven's Door OST, but a DVD by the same name. Have a look down the bottom of this page

      (quoted from CDJapan) "This is a compilation of music clips for the songs by The Seatbelts which are used in the movie 'Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' On Heaven's Door'. . . The video includes live action footage shot in Thailand. A kind of a road movie following the last week of the multi-national band 'The Seatbelts.' Includes an appearance by the mysterious producer 'YK' and the live footage of their live gig on August 10"

  4. Coyboy Bebop - Movie. Not out yet? by Kenja · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sheesh, I watched that thing almost a year ago. In truth its not that good. Its just like a long episode with better art. The story does nothing for the over all series. Which is a disapointment as I was hopping for somthing that tied everything together with regards to the char' history.

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    1. Re:Coyboy Bebop - Movie. Not out yet? by Imperial+Tacohead · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I disagree. It's been a while since I sat through the movie, but I remember thinking that it tied into the series very well, with a lot of foreshadowing for the final two episodes. A lot of dialog (especially the stuff about dreams) is paralleled in the Real Folk Blues, and the fact that Spike saw himself in the character of the crazy terrorist gives you some insight as to how he felt at the very end. Not to say that I wouldn't have traded the movie for another Vicious episode...but I thought it was pretty good.

    2. Re:Coyboy Bebop - Movie. Not out yet? by RickHunter · · Score: 2

      No, but it WAS a very, very good movie. Some great intruige stuff (keeps you guessing almost right up to the end), memorable characters (the villain is CREEPY), and great action scenes (the monorail!) make it a nice product on its own. To say nothing of the excellent soundtrack. The only complaint I had about it was the single dogfighting scene - it had no connection whatsoever to the rest of the movie, and seemed to have been dropped in there just because they needed a dogfighting scene.

    3. Re:Coyboy Bebop - Movie. Not out yet? by kalidasa · · Score: 2

      Do yourself a favor. Rent the DVDs, in order. Do NOT watch "The Real Folk Blues" until you've seen the rest of the series. It will be worth it. Even the "bad" episodes (and there are a few) contribute to the experience of the last episode.

  5. I think Disney was right... by dagg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think Disney made the right call on waiting to blitzkrieg the public with Spirited Away ads. If they wait until it gets tons of awards, then they'll surely make more money.

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  6. Re:Adult Swim? by VoidEngineer · · Score: 2

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain that all 26 episodes have made it to Adult Swim on Cartoon Network... at least, I'm pretty darn convinced that I watched them all last year. It took like three months to get through all of them, because they'd show two episodes per week.

    Am I missing something?

  7. Re:Adult Swim? by Microlith · · Score: 4, Informative

    They all made it.

    At least, the second run through. The first time at least two episodes were skipped, namely:

    Sympathy for the Devil
    Cowboy Funk

    If any others were dropped, I don't know because I didn't watch more than the first few. I had bought the dvds almost a year earlier and prefer subs, anyways.

  8. Re:lame by unicron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then you're watching the wrong anime. Anything that has ever aired on TV pretty much sucks. Go with the classics: Akira, Ghost in the Shell, and now my new fav Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust. Granted, tentacle porn and big eyed morons is some stupid shit, but if it's an honestly good story, what do you care that it was drawn rather than filmed? If the Shawshank Redemption was been animated would it be any less good?

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  9. Bad for Disney by a7244270 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the movie wins a bunch of awards then it seems like it will be more difficult for Disney to kill it so that it won't make it onto any screens.

    If it gets much more press, then people might actually see it, which as far as Disney is concerned can only be a Bad Thing.

    As far as Disney is concerned there's nothing worse than to have an animated masterpiece come out - now people might actually realize just how bad the mindless movies that they shit out every year (don't forget the stuffed toys, and fast food tie-ins) truly are.

    I hope this movie comes out big. I really do. Whether it happens or not, we'll just have to see.

    1. Re:Bad for Disney by Cheeziologist · · Score: 3, Informative

      I could be completely off base (which happens frequently) but isnt disney distributing this movie?

    2. Re:Bad for Disney by AzrealAO · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't let facts get in the way of a good Anti-Disney rant!

    3. Re:Bad for Disney by a7244270 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the key is - they didn't make it.

      This movie is a landmark production, which raises the bar for all childrens animated films.

      If you are in the business of cranking out childrens animated films, then the LAST thing you want is the bar raised....

    4. Re:Bad for Disney by Robotech_Master · · Score: 5, Informative
      I am so tired of all this Disney conspiracy theory bashing. Take a look at this New York Daily News article, specifically the parts that say
      While defending the studio's arthouse strategy, [Richard W. Cook, chairman of Walt Disney Studios] elaborated on the studio's original long-range plan, which was to roll the movie out slowly and end up in about 1,000 theaters. The money to market a 1,000-theater run was budgeted and is still available. All that's missing is a good reason to send it back out.

      "If we get on a lot of critics' [top 10] lists and get [Oscar] nominations, we'll have a reason to go out bigger," Cook explained.

      [...]

      In any case, Cook says that Disney's marketing department will spend exactly the same amount of time and money promoting "Spirited Away" for Academy Awards as it does for the studio's other 2002 animated films: "Lilo & Stitch" and the upcoming "Treasure Planet."
      The film business is a lot more complicated and intricate than most of us know, and we really shouldn't let our feelings of frustration lead us into thinking that Disney is "out to get us."
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    5. Re:Bad for Disney by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2

      Disney is merely the publisher for Spirited Away. It was produced by Hayao Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli in Japan. Aparrantly though, Disney has purchased the rights to distribute (or not distribute) all of the Studio Ghibli films in North America. Similarly, Monsters Inc was produced by Pixar, but is published and distributed by Disney under a deal the two companies have. To say that Disney is responsible is giving them far too much credit. At least in the case of Spirited Away, it would still exist without Disney; the financing simply would have been by a company with a different name. Perhaps the U.S. distribution would have been more difficult, but it still would have been produced in Japan, as all the other Studio Ghibli films were without the help of Disney.

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    6. Re:Bad for Disney by deblau · · Score: 2
      I am so tired of all this Disney conspiracy theory bashing.

      And I'm fed up with Disney apologists. Miyazaki has Disney beat, hands-down, and everyone knows it, not least of which Miyazaki and Disney. Disney is burying this one.

      And pitching films to the Academy doesn't mean squat. If they're spending the same time and money on SA as they are on L&S and TP, then they're spending twice the amount for their stuff as for Ghibli's movie. It's very difficult to miss the reasons why, if you bother to spend 5 seconds thinking about it. On top of that, at the end of the day only the Academy cares. If you want some important numbers, I guarantee that the amounts they're spending on general advertisements is way less for SA. In fact, I can't remember seeing a single TV ad for SA, but I see TP ads every day, followed by Ronald the clown screaming gibberish about 'solar sailing' or some crap.

      Disney knows they're losing potential revenue hand-over-fist on this one, but it's in their long-term financial interest to bury SA. If you can beat me with financial figures, go right ahead, but until you can, leave me alone.

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    7. Re:Bad for Disney by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2

      Just because you can't find it at WalMart or Costco doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. When Americans are so damned America-centric it's disgusting. There is a world that exists outside America, you know. And many Americans (especially the mainstream Disney crowd) always seem to try to convert everything foreign into an American story. The butchering of "Kaze no Tani no Nausicaa" into "Warriors of the Wind" was an horrid attack on an amazing creative work to turn it into a cheap dumb American action cartoon for kids in order to make a quick buck. It's disgusting what Americans will try if they think they can get away with it. It is no wonder that Americans get no respect from other countries, except for the fear of being invaded.

      By the way, I am an American.

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  10. Re:Well... by Bonker · · Score: 2

    Agreed. It's a fun action movie, but rates a very decided 'enh' on my movie scale. Nowhere near the quality or plot of Sen to Chihiro.

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  11. great movie.... by sparkyng · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, it was a fine movie indeed. Probably one of the best and most creative animated films ever. Heck, I wanted to show it to my little cousin, but then decided not to since she might ask me to explain what the movie was about. (BTW, I'm serious. Can someone please explain to me what the movie meant?)

  12. Spirited Away has also won... by Mononoke · · Score: 5, Informative
    ...the New York Film Critics Circle award for animation.

    So far, it's won every animation award offered for this year.

    I don't know that it'll win the Oscar, but it's certainly a lock to be a nominee.

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  13. Re:spirited away? by jacoplane · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I saw the movie here in Switzerland last christmas, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm not Japanese (Dutch) and didn't feel there were any parts of the story I didn't understand because I don't know anything about Japanese folklore. Your argument might have made sense for Princess Mononoke, which was based on a Shintoist myth if I recall correctly. Which parts of the storyline exactly did you think were not clear to you?

  14. Re:lame by unicron · · Score: 2

    I don't think of classics in a time line, it's based on quality. The Matrix is a classic science fiction movie, but it's only a few years old. I've seen a great number of rather old anime's and I still think GitS is probably the best sci-fi oriented anime I've ever seen.

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  15. The Purpose of the Film by tuffy · · Score: 5, Informative
    Heck, I wanted to show it to my little cousin, but then decided not to since she might ask me to explain what the movie was about. (BTW, I'm serious. Can someone please explain to me what the movie meant?)

    Mr. Miyazaki has a nice explanation. It's basically a story about keeping in touch with one's past, and it's nicely told IMHO.

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  16. Re:Bebop What is OAV? by The+Raven · · Score: 2

    Original Animated Video, or Original Video Animation (OVA and OAV are pretty interchangable)

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  17. Waterloo Festival for Animated Cinema by Cebu · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those of you in the Southwestern Ontario region, the annual Waterloo Festival for Animated Cinema has titles like ones listed, or rather had in this specific instance.

  18. Re:More Jap porno? by tdelaney · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And most importantly, historically most anime is *not* pornographic.

    A large amount of what was originally imported to the US was pornographic (e.g. Urotsukidoji/Legend of the Overfiend and sequels).

    However, the vast majority of anime is not pornographic, and never has been. There may be scenes of nudity at times (very often comedic), and they often deal with adult situations (not necessarily sex).

    Many animated Japanese shows are mature. There are also many that are aimed at children. And many aimed at teenagers.

    Anime covers the entire spectrum. Anime is a style, not a genre.

  19. Re-rendered Shrek in high resolution 3d IMAX... by fingal · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Recently, I had the pleasure of attending the VFX 2002 conferance where I was treated to a preview of the new render of Shrek by Don MacBain on behalf of PDI / Dreamworks. This was an extension of the work that they had done on Antz and basically consisted of:-
    • re-rendering for IMAX. As a result of the larger screen format, a lot of the cuts where no longer appropriate so they changed a load of the camera views and speed of pans to make it more palatable on an IMAX screen (no motion sickness).
    • Upping the resolution. I forget what the original resolution of render was but the target for this version is (from memory) 4000 x 3000 pixels.
    • Rendering the whole thing as fully polarised-light 3d.

    They only had one scene completed which was the crossing the rope bridge over the lava scene, but I can say that it was the most incredible bit of computer animation that I've ever scene. Don't know when the final thing is going to be finished, but I would definately recommend it to anyone...

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  20. Cowboy Bebop: Opening soon? Try a year ago. by autopr0n · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Holy crap... is there really anyone out there who hasn't already seen the fansub of this, like, a year ago? If you ask me, these anime companies are really shooting themselves in the foot by delaying American desireada by so much.

    If there's one thing about the free market, it's that people will always create things people want. That's why the war on drugs doesn't work. Of course, in the case of CB:KOHD, it was distributed for free, possibly throwing my free market analogy completely worthless. but. um. the point is that a high quality English translation of the film has been available for over a year.

    If internet geeks could do it in that short time, why couldn't the company? It seems to me they would have made a lot more money if they were putting out a movie that most people were excited to see a year ago...

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  21. The Answer: Scheduling by EXTomar · · Score: 2

    No there isn't any evil Star Chamber in Cartoon Network that decided to cut Sympathy for the Devil and Cowboy Funk. There maybe some hidden group that is calling the shots but they had little to do with this.

    For awhile people have claimed that both of these episodes where cut because of their contraversal natures. This is odd since a lot of Cowboy Bebop episodes feature one or some of the "Three TV Sins"(sex, drugs, violence). People claimed that Sympathy was cut because of youth violence (think Columbine) while Cowboy Funk was cut because the maniac bomber (who blew up tall buildings).

    However what I remember is this fact: during the first run of Cowboy Bebop on CN it ran a 4 days a week run for 6 weeks. That adds up to 24...two episodes had to be skipped to fit.

    So it is simple as scheduling. Two episodes had to be cut on the first run. These two episodes where somewhat weakly tied to the CB methos so it wasn't a big loss.

    As for Spirited Away: go see if it is in your area. It is one of the best and blessed visualzations put to film in recent history. As for Knock'n Down Heaven's Door: it is an interesting movie that takes advantage of foreshadows and themes to emphize what the core of Cowboy Bebop really was.

    1. Re:The Answer: Scheduling by mttlg · · Score: 2

      However what I remember is this fact: during the first run of Cowboy Bebop on CN it ran a 4 days a week run for 6 weeks. That adds up to 24...two episodes had to be skipped to fit.

      As someone already pointed out, the first run of Cowboy Bebop was on Sundays and Thursdays, with two episodes each Sunday, rebroadcasted on Thursday. The other problem with your theory is that three episodes were cut. The other one was Waltz for Venus, which started with a hijacking. Considering that September 11, 2001 fell during the beginning of this run and the episodes that were cut featured hijackings and skyscrapers being blown up, the reason for the cuts is fairly obvious. Subsequent runs of Cowboy Bebop included all three of the "missing" episodes.

      You may have confused the scheduling of Cowboy Bebop with the scheduling of Mobile Suit Gundam, which had its first run stopped right after September 11, 2001. Mobile Suit Gundam did air 4 or 5 days a week, and its first run lasted about 6 weeks. Unlike Cowboy Bebop though, the cut episodes (with one exception) were never aired (and won't be aired in the second run either).

  22. Re:More Jap porno? by kalidasa · · Score: 2

    Personally, I am not an anime fan. But Cowboy Beebop is superb. Tylor is ok, though it has some gratuitous stuff in it. Most of the other stuff I've seen has left me cold. The point is, don't make up your mind about the genre until you've seen the best of it. If you still feel that anime is just some kind of "Japanese porno," fine. But base your decisions upon the evidence of your senses, not just third or fourth hand information.

  23. Don't blink or you'll miss it by inkswamp · · Score: 2
    Here where I live, Spirited Away didn't play (or hasn't yet) at any of the major cinemas, just at a small community-run cinema that plays offbeat, non-mainstream stuff. I don't mind that per se. It was really nice to see Spirited Away in a more intimate, less herd-like setting than Regal Suckemas. I took my very sensitive 6-year-old daughter to it and she loved it, wasn't even phased by the more intense moments. And I went along as guardian, of course, because... you know... I'm an adult... and I don't watch cartoons... of course. I did it for the kid. ;^)

    It seems a shame to me that such a fantastic film has been relegated to a smaller and less visible venue. It will automatically undercut ticket sales. SA only played there for a week-and-a-half and the theater was only about 1/10 sold out when we went. That's a fucking crime!

    Is this the case elsewhere? Where is SA playing in your area? How much promotion is going on?

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  24. Re:spirited away? by Moses+Lawn · · Score: 2
    I saw it while in Japan a few months ago, it's really not that great. Unless they've done ALOT of changing there are going to be lots of parts that only make sense after a native explains the Japanese folklore around them.

    I'm going to have to disagree. You may not be able to fully understand it if you're not Japanese, but you can still get a lot out of it. The basic story is pretty clear - girl is trapped in a magical place by her parents' interference, loses them and is forced to work a demeaning job, is romantically involved with the estranged son of the queen, releases someone from a spell, they all go on a journey, everything comes out fine but ambiguous. She keeps trying to do right and making things worse, she nearly loses something very important to the queen, there's a lot of family conflict and intrigue. If you set it in the West, it would be right out of Grimm's Fairy Tales. Actually, I think it's more The Wizard of Oz than Alice in Wonderland.

    Even if you can't understand any of the cultural references, you can still appreciate it for the story and for how well it's done. I knew this was a beautiful movie before I saw it, but I was still amazed. This is one of the best movies I've seen in the last couple of years. It's certainly one of the best looking animated movies since the classic Disney days.

    Here's what I want to know: In the scenes with the many-armed guy who runs the furnace in the bathhouse, there are several shots of an ashtray full of butts, but you never see him smoke. Is it paranoid of me to imagine that Disney had those bits cut out, since smoking is so opposite to their image? It would probably only be a couple of frames. Has anyone here seen the original?

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  25. Re:Other good Anime by MoneyT · · Score: 2

    Noir - Fairly dark, plot revolves arround 2 female assasins, one who doesn't know who she is.

    Nadesico - Sort of a spoof on Anime, takes all the cliches rolls them into one giant mess and lays it out in an amusing series. The movie was good too.

    Bubblegum Crisis: Tokyo 2040 - Haven't seen the original series this was based off of, but guns girls and explosions are usualy a good combination.

    Ra Xephon - Dark wierd, and leaves you with more questions than answers

    Azumanga Daioh - It's wierd, it's funny and worth watching.

    Escaflowne - I personaly liked the series better than the movie, a very cool mech/fantasy anime.

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