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Slashback brings you more on Solaris, the not-quite-dead OS/2, and free software you can sneak onto your Windows-running computer. Also, Home Depot turns to the dark side, and Hughes winds down its two-way Internet-by-satellite service. Read on below for the details. Update: 12/18 00:30 GMT by T : The Home Depot item got chopped by accident; it's been restored below. Update: 12/18 00:38 GMT by T : Sigh. And -- my fault for misreading -- Hughes is shutting down their DSL business; satellite service continues at least for now.

Honest, I'm not dead. Again. silvaran writes "A clarification on CNet News indicates that IBM will not stop supporting or selling OS/2 as mentioned previously. Says IBM spokesman Steve Eisenstadt, 'As long as our customers want OS/2, we will support them... We don't have plans to withdraw OS/2.' The withdrawal notice lists several hundred components or software packages that will no longer be available, but OS/2 itself will still be offered."

Like Marshall MacLuhan in Annie Hall. tree writes "The Boston Globe has a really interesting interview with Stanislaw Lem, author of the 1961 novel "Solaris": he is a bit baffled about the latest movie adaptation. In any event, it's a great read for fans of Lem."

They win, GNU Win, we all win. Shwag writes "Last week I downloaded TheOpenCD after it was on Slashdot. I learned about all kinds of great free (as in speech) software. I then searched for more and found out about GNU Win which is a win32 free software cd but it has way more software! Yay! This is a really great way to show people the benefits of free software and get them ready for transitioning to linux."

A platform built from an Acorn. An anonymous reader writes "The (London) Guardian's Online section reports today on the new Ionix PC earlier Slashdotted for being the first desktop to run Intel's XScale processor. The Guardian concentrates on how the new machine may revive the fading fortunes of the once-pioneering Risc OS, but also makes mention of the fact it is ditching old proprietary Acorn subsystems."

Woe to the boonie dwellers, until enough balloons are in place. Avenger writes "Another DSL provider is getting out of the market. Hughes Electronics has announced that they will no longer be providing high-speed Internet services. Over 160,000 users will be affected. As it stands right now, they still will be providing connectivity via DirecPC."

But it seemed like such a great do-it-yourself idea! adagioforstrings writes "You may recall last year Home Depot announced they were deploying Linux at 90,000 point-of-sale terminals across the nation. Well, time went by and no more was heard about it...until now, when Home Depot announced they would be upgrading their POS systems with technology from NCR Corp., and 360 Commerce Inc. and ... Microsoft Corp."

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  1. So what about Home Depot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did they turn invisible when they went to "the Dark Side" or something?

    1. Re:So what about Home Depot? by mypalmike · · Score: 3, Informative

      Maybe it has to do with their decision to choose Microsoft for POS instead of Linux?
      _-_-_

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    2. Re:So what about Home Depot? by chez69 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would consider a register system that runs windows a POS.

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    3. Re:So what about Home Depot? by Skulker303 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm familiar with the Kit that HD rolled out last Thursday and Friday. I spent 13.5 hours last week From the night of the 12th to the morning of the 13th breaking down terminals, and replacing them with Compaq PC's running Windows 2000 Professional. I also helped in reconfiguring the WAPs that are used by the mobile carts. Lots of new Cat5e was run all over the place.

      The hardware is the Compaq Evo D510 series, including the Small Form Factor, and the Convertible Minitower variants. The majority of these sytems are of the SFF variety runnig Intel 1.7Ghz Celeron (P4 Willamette w/128KB L2 cahce) processors. The machines in the paint department were the CM variant running 2.0Ghz (P4 Northwood w/ 512KB L2 cache. I believe that all of these systems were equipped with 128MB of DDR SDRAM.

      This hardware wasn't cheap. The software.....may have been discounted but may not have been. Who knows... I was just a rented "Tech Monkey" to deploy this Kit... Personally, I think that it was a "bad move".

      The overtime should be nice though... It really sucks to have been unemployed for the past six months... Jacksonville FL sucks.

  2. Wait... by damiam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What happened to Home Depot and the Dark Side?

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    1. Re:Wait... by JJAnon · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's just it - there is no story. They went to the dark side because they didn't have a story for us to dissect and bitch about.

    2. Re:Wait... by mu_wtfo · · Score: 4, Funny

      I know, that was the main thing I wanted to read about.....?
      I guess I'll just amke a story item up, then:
      "Home Depot To Migrate All PC's, Registers, and Forklifts to Windows 3.11"
      Now *that's* what I call the Dark Side.

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    3. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      How about:
      Home Depot hires a sith CEO: You underestimate the power tools of the Dark Side!

    4. Re:Wait... by mu_wtfo · · Score: 5, Funny

      How about:
      Home Depot hires a sith CEO: You underestimate the power tools of the Dark Side!


      Mmmm, dark jedi circular saw.....

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    5. Re:Wait... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      "What happened to Home Depot and the Dark Side?"

      Didn't Yoda make it pretty clear that when one attains enough power within the Dark Side that they can hide themselves from the Jedi?

      Afterall, if the information doesn't exist in the Great Archive, then it simply doesn't exist!

    6. Re:Wait... by vsprintf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There was a story in the local newspaper last week about how Home Depot (they are building another store in town) had originally planned to use Linux for the self-serve system but had switched to Windows because they didn't want to "limit their options" or "lock themselves into something" as hilarious as that is. I won't be buying stock in Home Depot. If the Windows checkouts work as well as the voting machines, I'm sure they'll be popular in Florida. I'll be going to Ace.

    7. Re:Wait... by mu_wtfo · · Score: 2

      Update: 12/18 00:30 GMT by T: The Home Depot item got chopped by accident; it's been restored below.

      OK, everyone may now feel free to mod the parent as Offtopic.

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  3. I'll bite, Timothy by SteweyGriffin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I realize you were trolling with your anti-IBM remarks, but I'll bite anyway.

    Considering that OS/2 came out way back when Windows 3.1 was around, it's quite a remarkable OS. It supports multithreading as well as various other important and fairly advanced features, which is neat since it had these features nearly a decade ago.

    It's important to remember that OS/2 is not Windows, nor does IBM want it to be. It is a very different environment that does take some getting used to. There are a lot of things I like about using OS/2, but there are a few things I like about using Windows too. One of the nicest things
    about OS/2 is its ability to coexist with other operating systems on the same computer.

    Now that really is a freedom of choice, one that many love about using Linux with Windows or *BSD with Windows or even dual-booting Windows/OS X.

    1. Re:I'll bite, Timothy by sobachatina · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think that you may have misinterpereted his "Almost dead" remark. I think it was referring to the recent /. article that IBM would be discontinuing OS/2. He wasn't trying to pick a fight with you.

    2. Re:I'll bite, Timothy by rabtech · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You seem to forget that Microsoft had the same thing when Windows 3.1 was out, and it was called Windows NT.

      IBM and Microsoft co-developed OS2/WinNT, but disagreed on where the interface should go. Microsoft saw dramatic uptake of Windows 3.x and thought that would be a good road to plod down. IBM wanted to do their own thing. As a result, the groups split.

      Microsoft won.

      And here we sit today. Perhaps if IBM had done things Microsoft's way, the world would be a different place. For better or worse, I cannot say.

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    3. Re:I'll bite, Timothy by reallocate · · Score: 2

      Not true. OS/2 is at release 4, originally released in 1995, well after the release of Windows 3.1

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    4. Re:I'll bite, Timothy by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 2

      For a company that was so far ahead of the times, you would think that they could write a decent chess game.

      You mean like one that could be Kasparov or something?

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    5. Re:I'll bite, Timothy by Archfeld · · Score: 2

      heck even the atari 2600 backgammon game cheated, thats not new....It was hilarious watching the game roll double 9's

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    6. Re:I'll bite, Timothy by Trane+Francks · · Score: 3, Informative

      Stewey, I have to agree about OS/2 being a remarkable OS. As an ex-IBMer, I guess I'm biased, but I truly believe that the VDM in OS/2 was a better DOS than DOS. The fine tuning you could do on the behaviour of DOS apps was incredible.

      An example of this would be an app written using Borland's Turbo Vision framework. These apps poll for keyboard input like no tomorrow. Under any flavour of Windows, you can get the CPU useage down to about 50%, but no better. On OS/2, you could get CPU useage down to 1% and still have a nice, snappy response.

      I ran a 3-node DOS-based BBS package (RemoteAccess) for several years and enjoyed it most when running under OS/2. Most of my apps were DOS apps and running them there was a far better experience than using DOS and DESQview.

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    7. Re:I'll bite, Timothy by Mattsson · · Score: 2, Informative

      Eum...
      How on earth do you dualboot Windows with OS X? =-/

      OS X can't run on x86 hardware.
      Windows can't run on Mac hardware.

      Unless you're speaking about dualbooting Windows with a Gnu/Darwin system.
      But that's something completly different from OS X.

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    8. Re:I'll bite, Timothy by AndroidCat · · Score: 2
      Okay, I was wrong. But the original release of OS/2 was well before Win 3.1. It was the release of Win 3.0 finally that put the cat among the pigeons in the first place. (I can well understand why Microsoft shafted IBM at that point. OS/2 was hard sell, and Win 3.0 had cute bevels.) In the same time frame, Wing Commander was making the Sound Blaster a success.

      My only contact with OS/2 was maintaining a 3COM server with .. 2.1? We replaced the 3COM server with ass-kicking 486/25 servers and OS/2 (1990). It was a weird gig. It was easier to hire a new engineer than to get him (yes, 99% him) a computer and software. The budget fight eventually pared "workstations" down to a 386sx/16 with 4 meg ram, 40 meg HD. Resume, do your stuff! {On to a Delrina death-march project...}

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    9. Re:I'll bite, Timothy by JWSmythe · · Score: 2


      Windows 3.1 and OS/2 were contemporaries..

      Windows 95 was released on 7/11/1995, but wasn't really publically accepted for months afterwards.. Either it wouldn't work on people's existing hardware (286, low 386, etc), or they just didn't see a need to change. Well, not til their games and apps required Win95..

      OS/2 4 came out about the same time. I can't find a release date online, but references I've found on dejanews say between Feb 1995 and Aug 1995..

      So pretty much it was released when people were still predominantly using Win 3.1

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    10. Re:I'll bite, Timothy by el_chicano · · Score: 2
      Perhaps if IBM had done things Microsoft's way, the world would be a different place.
      You mean IBM should have emulated Microsoft's monopolistic behavior? IBM could not engage in such behavior because it was under DOJ oversight due to the consent decree it signed with the US government in the 1970s...

      Jeez, doesn't anyone study HISTORY anymore???
      For better or worse, I cannot say.
      Some bad, some good. I used to run OS/2 Warp, which let you run Windows in a virtual machine, and life was good (when Windows crashed the VM would reboot, not the entire machine). The bad began when OS/2 started falling behind due to lack of apps and I had to wander the Windows wasteland for a while.

      For me Linux couldn't have come at a better time. Going to Win98 from Warp was a big letdown and Linux helped fill the void. It has steadily improved in function and useability to where it is a viable OS choice. Now I can run Windows in a virtual machine under Linux and life is even better (though admittedly Windows does not crash as much as it used to in the old days).

      The reason? The plethora of free development tools for Linux! I feel that had IBM released some free (or even cheap) development tools for OS/2 this sad story would have had a different, much happier ending...
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    11. Re:I'll bite, Timothy by el_chicano · · Score: 2
      Warp 3 Connect was in '94
      If that is the blue spine edition I think it was early 95. I picked up "OS/2 Warp for Windows" (the red spine) around October 94.

      The red spine did not come with Windows, so it required that you have a copy of Windows if you wanted to run Win apps and had the TCP/IP stack separate. Warp Connect had the TCP/IP stack integrated into the OS and came with a copy of Windows.

      That takes me back. That was the same period that IBM showed the infamous Nun commercials for Warp and consumers where saying "WTF?" :->
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  4. Tease! by Ho-Lee-Cow! · · Score: 2

    What about Home Depot???!

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  5. Home Depot and M$ by gazita123 · · Score: 2, Redundant
  6. The Home Depot thing by lseltzer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They're buying some Microsoft systems for point of sale.

    Home Depot used to be one of those Java poster children that they trotted out at JavaOne, but I never saw any of it show up in the stores. To this day their systems, except for the actual registers, are straight out of the 70's. I think they're terminals connected to an HP/UX box.

    1. Re:The Home Depot thing by gimpboy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Jill Taylor, a director of engineering, said Home Depot considered Linux but settled on the "more mainstream" Windows operating system. She said that with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware.


      this is pretty funny. i wonder if by cross-platform she means dell vs. gateway. really though, there is alot of support for linux (ibm, redhat) if you want it.

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    2. Re:The Home Depot thing by Myco · · Score: 5, Funny
      Mildly OT, but what the hell, Karma's only a number... not even that, really... anyway:

      Stopped into my local 7-11 the other day to use the ATM there. Rather than the expected greeting and prompt to insert my card, I see... a Windows desktop. 2K, IIRC. I just about bust out laughing right there in the store.

    3. Re:The Home Depot thing by Myco · · Score: 2

      Well, I saw what I saw. Could conceivably have been XP, if I've remembered wrong, but as I remember it looked like 2K. I found it odd as well. If someone wants to check it out, maybe they can find the info online. The ATM belongs to SEB of Sweden (www.seb.se, I think).

    4. Re:The Home Depot thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      What the heck - follow the OT thread and provide useful information. Anonymous for a reason on this thread.

      I actually used to work at the company that probably made the ATM - since the name probably includes three nice capital letters. What you probably saw was actually Windows NT (although when I left they were working with MS to deploy 2k because it was cheaper per unit and it might be deployed already). In fact, if this was 7/11 specific ATM (as opposed to a bank placing their own in-store) then I know a lot more about the system. It is actually a VB app with HTML front interface running on top of WinNT. It uses the IE app specifically tweaked to the needs of the company.

      The reason for the switch was that there are several custom, but mostly off-the-shelf boards in the system (which is just a basic bare-bones PC). It was getting impossible to find drivers for the new cards (MPEG hardware is a growing field for ATMs) with the old OS (which was OS/2). So, with the next generation of systems it was decided that a new OS was needed and some group settled on NT. Nothing really that sinister - it was more a matter of what drivers they had for the hardware they wanted. Since it generally takes many years for hardware and software to be certified for an ATM (making on-the-fly replacements difficult since its hard to find a specific 6G Seagate drive at your local store).

    5. Re:The Home Depot thing by gnovos · · Score: 2

      They're buying some Microsoft systems for point of sale

      Oh, is that what you mean by POS?

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    6. Re:The Home Depot thing by Soulslayer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Amusingly enough a large number of ATM's in operation actually use OS/2. This may be part of IBM's backpedaling regarding not supporting that OS anymore.

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  7. To all those people complaining about home depot.. by sawilson · · Score: 2

    It's obvious they bought the acorn they built the
    platform out of at home depot.

  8. dilemma by zdzichu · · Score: 3, Funny

    -rw-r--r-- 1 zdzichu users 825032208 gru 16 22:25 /tmp/solaris/CD1/vc-sol1.bin
    -rw-r--r-- 1 zdzichu users 170 gru 16 22:25 /tmp/solaris/CD1/vc-sol1.cue
    -rw-r--r-- 1 zdzichu users 220958640 gru 16 22:26 /tmp/solaris/CD2/vc-sol2.bin
    -rw-r--r-- 1 zdzichu users 170 gru 16 22:26 /tmp/solaris/CD2/vc-sol2.cue

    watch it or delete it?

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  9. Home Depot upgrades point-of-sale systems by stripmarkup · · Score: 5, Informative
    Jill Taylor, a director of engineering, said Home Depot considered Linux but settled on the "more mainstream" Windows operating system. She said that with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware

    story

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    1. Re:Home Depot upgrades point-of-sale systems by zulux · · Score: 2

      She said that with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware

      Yea, we all know who well Windows runs on big-endian boxes. Except for x86 is there anything else that Windows can run on?

      And, I'm not talking about 'Pocket PC' on little ARM PDA's - AFAIK you still have to manage menory manually with Pocket PC. That shit became passe when Max OS 9 died.

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    2. Re:Home Depot upgrades point-of-sale systems by starseeker · · Score: 2

      That's gotta be PR BS. How many drivers do you need for a Point of Sale system? I take it no one will be playing quake on these things. A 486 could do it just fine, be dirt cheap, and extremely stable. Try running any newer Microsoft offering on one. Then upgrade it and see how it does.

      As for support, they could have just talked to Redhat/IBM whoever and gotten them to support it. POS systems are a narrow, reasonably well defined task. They could handle that.

      I'm betting there's more that we aren't being told. Three to one someone wanted to go with the "safe" bet and ignored any arguments against Microsoft. Oh, well. I guess I get to make fun of Home Depot's computers when they bluescreen in addition to the blue screens I've seen in train stations. How do you bluescreen displaying a train schedule??? Anyway, that's another comment. I just hope Home Depot's prices don't get driven too high when their POS system starts suffering from vendor lockin effects. I wonder how often they'll need to "upgrade" the software on them.

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    3. Re:Home Depot upgrades point-of-sale systems by AndroidCat · · Score: 2
      About the only thing non-"standard" that a POS system would have to support would be a magnetic card reader. And most of the time, those just show up as keyboard input. Hmm, and a receipt printer. Gee, do you think that Linux can handle an ASCII printer? (You would not believe how much those things cost.)

      Bafflegab cybercrud excuses. Bullshit Baffles Brains. My guess, they could get a freight-car of VB programmers cheep. (I saw a tor.jobs ad for VB programmers in California. "Embeded" VB in healthcare apps. Scarey stuff!)

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    4. Re:Home Depot upgrades point-of-sale systems by AndroidCat · · Score: 2
      Credit card readers, no. They usually piggyback on the keyboard. Barcode scanners, ditto. Cash tills, okay maybe.

      But none of this is new ground. Back in 1995, Pizza Hut (and their other chain which I forget) was using QNX for their POS. (Licensing fees were a bitch, but they downloaded that onto their franchises.) This problem has been previously solved.

      As I've said, the real answer is that they could buy truck loads of VB programmers by the tonne.

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    5. Re:Home Depot upgrades point-of-sale systems by ras · · Score: 3, Informative

      Like everything else, POS systems are more complex than they look. The peripherals they have to support include bar code scanners, scales, magnetic card readers, touch screens, operator ID tags, customer displays, EFT devices, smart card readers, security alarms and POS printers. In more specialised areas you might attach fuel dispensers, liquor dispensers, loyalty devices, token (eg car wash) programming ... the list goes on and on.

      Someone made the comment about "how hard is it to drive an ASCII printer"? Well, if it just prints ASCII, perhaps not hard hard at all. But POS printers may also print logos, bar codes, cut their paper, print Credit Card signature slips, have multiple colours, warn when the paper is getting low and occasionally contain more than one print head. And no, they don't support Postscript or PCL. Usually it is some proprietary encoding scheme that is peculiar to the make and model of printer. The situation is exactly the same for the other devices for the other devices - the scanners, EFT devices, and so on. There are lots of different models. They all perform roughly the same functions, but they are all have to be driven differently.

      So a few years ago Microsoft came up with OPOS, which defined a standard interface for each type of device and left it up to manufacturers to write device drivers that adhered to it. In theory we POS software writers did not worry any more about how we had to drive each device - we just wrote our POS's around the OPOS spec.

      This admittedly old concept is brilliant, but in OPOS's case somewhere between the drawing board and the delivered drivers something went badly wrong. Your average driver did not work or had to be installed in some peculiar way, so you ended coding around each drivers idiosyncrasies - once you figured out what they were. Personally, I think it was easier to do it the old way. But that is irrelevant as I did not make the purchasing decision, nor did company that produced the POS software. The company buying the POS peripheral did - in this case Home Depot. And if you don't have to use it OPOS makes perfect sense - something you would include in your requirements list.

      Linux does not have OPOS. In fact its worse then that, Linux has no language neutral object system that allows something like OPOS to be developed. So unless something changes drastically, Linux will never have drivers for POS peripherals that can be used by any developer, whether they use Gnome, KDE, Python, Perl, C++, or whatever. The situation could best be described as a mess. About the only out you have to to code in Java and use JavaPOS.

    6. Re:Home Depot upgrades point-of-sale systems by AndroidCat · · Score: 2
      POS systems are more complex than they look Gee, too bad that you didn't tell me that back in '95 before they got two months behind on my paycheque. (Certification at their bank is your friend.

      Someone made the comment... I did. In the post right above, look. Your contract specifics the hardware, how hard could that be? Please don't whine about different escape codes for printers. Been there, done that.

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  10. Correction on Lem article by marhar · · Score: 4, Informative
    The article said that Lem "had no intention of seeing the film". However, what Lem actually said was "I have not seen the film and I am not familiar with the script, hence I cannot say anything about the movie itself except for what the reviews reflect..."


    From his offical website

    1. Re:Correction on Lem article by porky_pig_jr · · Score: 2

      and he says in this article: "I'm not eager to see it".

    2. Re:Correction on Lem article by Huge+Pi+Removal · · Score: 2

      To those who don't want to read the whole article, he sums up his feelings at the end. Note the absolutely acidic put-down of the film...

      [Not karma whoring, I'm already at max]

      "I have not seen the film... hence I cannot say anything about the movie itself except for what the reviews reflect, albeit unclearly - like a distorted picture of one's face in ripply water. However, to my best knowledge, the book was _not_ dedicated to erotic problems of people in outer space.... I shall allow myself to repeat that I only wanted to create a vision of human encounter with something that certainly exists... but cannot be reduced to human concepts, images, or ideas."

      I think a lot of films can probably be summed up as "the erotic problems of x at y". And they're all crap. There are more interesting things to talk about...

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  11. Include User Mode Linux! by sfraggle · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Now that we have User Mode Linux that can run in User Space, would it be possible to get it to compile and run in CygWin? Then people could run Linux in their existing Windows system.


    Just an evil thought I had.

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    1. Re:Include User Mode Linux! by jdike · · Score: 2
      umlwin32.sf.net is where you will find the UML/Win32 port. It's almost functional, as far as I can tell. I think the only major thing lacking is process signal delivery. That and lots of exercise and bug fixing.

      Unfortunately, it's been somewhat dormant over the last few months as the people working on it have had other demands on their time.

      Jeff

  12. Obviously.... by raehl · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is an attempt by the /. editors to counter the recent run of duplicate articles by omitting some articles entirely.

  13. The Whole is the Sum of its parts by snitty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems that IBM is dancing around the issue here. They say that they will still support and sell OS/2, but they are not supporting large chunks of it.

    It would be simmilar to microsoft saying that it will still sell windows, but if anyone has a problem with any of the components (IE, Control Pannels) they are out of luck.

    It seems that IBM dosen't want to say that they aren't stopping, but they want to. They should bite the bullet and go one way, the other, or the GNU way.

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    1. Re:The Whole is the Sum of its parts by muertos · · Score: 2, Funny
      It would be simmilar to microsoft saying that it will still sell windows, but if anyone has a problem with any of the components (IE, Control Pannels) they are out of luck.

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Microsoft already operate that way?

  14. Re:Home Depot? by raehl · · Score: 3, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, Dark Side turns to Home Depot!

    They need to get the materials for their Imperial Starships and Death Stars somewhere, right?

  15. Lack of drivers..... by m0rph3us0 · · Score: 2

    "Jill Taylor, a director of engineering, said Home Depot considered Linux but settled on the "more mainstream" Windows operating system. She said that with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware." Umm... I don't see a plethora of Windows drivers for non-Intel computers. (Maybe they are talking about CE?). And the last time I checked Java still worked on Linux. Seems to be alot of FUD to me, because once your on non-x86 chips there seems to be much more hardware support in Linux than on Windows.

  16. A conversation at Home Despot by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Funny
    "I'm sorry sir, I can't check you out. You'll have to go to Ace Hardware."

    "Why! I'M PAYING CASH!"

    "My Supervisor told me that a "Crib Kitties" in the Maker? No, Servicer! Yea. He said that Norton would fix it and that he would give us a "lice update" when he was done. I think."

    "Here, catch this hammer. Oops. Missed. Sorry.."

    This could be a good use for P2P apps, to update drivers and make sure the lastest and bestest is on all machines....

    1. Re:A conversation at Home Despot by bravehamster · · Score: 2

      I'm just guessing here, but I think

      Crib Kiddies = Script Kiddies
      Servicer = Server
      Lice Update = Virus Update

      Not sure about Maker tho.

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  17. No, I'm not a slashdot subscriber.. by raehl · · Score: 2, Funny

    But I hear Slashdot has a new promotion going, subscribe to one article, get the dupe for free!

  18. All About The Home Depot thing by Loundry · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm an ex-employee of Home Depot. I worked in the IT department.

    Yes, the registers, and practically all of the store systems, are connected to one of many different types of HP-UX boxes, depending on how old the store is. I heard tales of SSC (store support center, the HD headquarters just outside of Atlanta, GA) IT employees opening up those boxes and finding them totally packed with dust. As in, no more dust could fit in the case of the HP-UX box. But it still worked!

    When I worked there, Java was all the rage and HD had lots of employees churning out millions of lines of shitty Java code that did a whole lot of nothing. Much of the real work was still done on MVS (that the IBM mainframe) in JCL, assembly, and whatnot. The UNIX work was in HP-(S)UX in, of all things, Informix 4GL.

    When I was leaving, HD was seriously flirting with Linux. They had lots of cool linux machines running in one of the labs. I felt bad about leaving, but not really, since I was leaving to go work at a Linux shop doing Perl. HD hated Perl, or anything else that was "unsupported."

    HD IT managers actually did a purge of all rouge Linux machines they found on the network maybe about a year or so before I was hired.

    In my opinion, any flirting that HD has done with MSFT is due to the new CEO, Bob Nardelli. Talking to my old HD friends has revealed that he's making all sorts of really stupid changes, such as trying to turn 50% of all store employees into part-timers. (What? How are you supposed to have SMEs with so many part-timers?)

    But before anyone forms any real opinions about HD, remember: HD is a retail shop, not a technology shop. People in IT there were, every few months or so, demanded that they "prove their worth." As far as the head retailers were concerned, IT was nothing more than a "cost center." If you want to work in technology, don't choose retail. You're going to be disappointed.

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    1. Re:All About The Home Depot thing by Alomex · · Score: 3, Funny

      rouge Linux machines

      In Soviet Russia rouge linux is the standard Linux distro...

    2. Re:All About The Home Depot thing by TandyMasterControl · · Score: 2

      It's sad to hear about the new cluelessness at HD. I don't mean about not using Linux --I couldn't give a damn one way or another-- but their drive to shed their really important asset: the employees.

      HD employees make that place different from other large supply megalostaurs. Trying to convert half the workforce into temp slaves is going to turn the HD experience and franchise into shit.

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    3. Re:All About The Home Depot thing by alister · · Score: 2
      HD IT managers actually did a purge of all rouge Linux machines they found on the network maybe about a year or so before I was hired.

      And no doubt all the eyeliner and lipstick ones too.

    4. Re:All About The Home Depot thing by Loundry · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From strictly a cost point of view, it's cheaper.

      Cheaper, yes. And also deadly to a key element of Home Depot's concept. Home Depot is as much a service company as it is a retail company. If you want to do a diy home project, say, tiling your kitchen walls (which I have done), then you can expect to go into Home Depot and talk to a subject matter expert on tiling. Making 50% of the store employees part-timers greatly weakens the number and effectiveness of providing this crucial service.

      I agree in cutting costs, and I think changing (and, in this case, weakening) the core concept of the company is a bad idea.

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    5. Re:All About The Home Depot thing by Enonu · · Score: 2

      if (1/2 == 0)
      printf ("I understand types finally.\n"):

    6. Re:All About The Home Depot thing by Alomex · · Score: 2


      For 1/2 == 0 to make sense you had to unlearn everything you had ever learned about math since kindergarden until you were first introduced to a programming language. If that behaviour of "/" doesn't strike you as a poor design choice for a language I wonder what ever would...

    7. Re:All About The Home Depot thing by fgodfrey · · Score: 2
      If that implementation of / strikes you as bad, you don't know a whole lot about processor design. Integer division burns a whole lot fewer transistors than floating point division and also guarantees acuracy to the left of the decimal point. If you care about precision, you shouldn't be dividing integers anyway. In order to round correctly, you'd need to get the first digit past the decimal point and then add it in. While getting the digit isn't too bad, the "add it in" step is going to require a trip through an adder which is going to add clocks per instruction and transistors since it has to happen after the divide step is through.


      So, while it's confusing the first time you see it, integer division is the "div" operator that everyone learns at some point (about the time they learn about "mod"). It was hardly a choice which was made arbitrarily.

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    8. Re:All About The Home Depot thing by EzInKy · · Score: 2

      It not only sucks from the employee's point of view, but also the general public's. People without health insurance will still get sick or injured, and when they do John Q is left with the tab.

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    9. Re:All About The Home Depot thing by Alomex · · Score: 2

      If that implementation of / strikes you as bad, you don't know a whole lot about processor design.

      You missed the point. Sure, we need integer division in programming languages. Since we are going to have such operation we need a symbol for it. We can select the symbol "div" as many programming languages do (which matches math usage by the way) or we can choose to arbitrarily overload the well defined and standard meaning of '/' in a way that is bug prone. This is what makes 1/2*pi == 0 confusing.

      If you see nothing confusing and bug inducing with C overloading of '/', I'll give you 1/2 million dollars, no questions asked.

      while it's confusing the first time you see it,

      It is confusing a lot more often than just the first time. In fact quite a few people who have replied to my sig in /. give an incorrect explanation to why the value is zero.

      Ask any designer of manual controls and they'll tell you, if a design choice is error prone then the design is subpar.

  19. Perhaps not by shird · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a really great way to show people the benefits of free software and get them ready for transitioning to linux

    Either that, or they will realise that it is not Linux that is providing this 'great software', but GNU, and it is also available on Windows. So why bother to switch when they can have the best of both worlds: Good GUI, and all the same free GNU software thats available under Linux.

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    1. Re:Perhaps not by shird · · Score: 2

      What about stability?

      I have X crash on me a hellava lot more than XP. In fact, I don't think Ive ever had XP crash. But hey, everyone is claiming how unstable it is, so I guess I'm just lucky (?).

      Sure you can run some of the cool GNU apps under Windows with this, but quite likely not all of them.

      But you can run all of the windows apps under Windows- something not really possible under Linux. I guess my point is, under Windows you can run the Windows apps and most free/open/ported apps. Under Linux, you can only run the free/open/ported apps.

      its not just the apps that one uses to decide whether to go with Linux and GNU free/open software

      No, but it is a very major factor. In fact, for a lot of people, it is the deciding factor. They use a computer to use the applications - so those applications need to be available and up to standard.

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    2. Re:Perhaps not by Christopher+Whitt · · Score: 2

      I have X crash on me a hellava lot more than XP. In fact, I don't think Ive ever had XP crash. But hey, everyone is claiming how unstable it is, so I guess I'm just lucky (?).

      Well, I guess I'm unlucky then. I've only installed XP once, and IE hung the machine during install while trying to download all the critical updates and security patches. During install! On a completely fresh machine!!

      To be fair, I don't remember if it actually took XP down completely, but I did have to start part of the install over, and that involved rebooting or resetting the machine somehow. I couldn't believe it: crashed on the install, with no wierd hardware or funky install options either. This was XP Pro too, the commerical volume-licensed version.

      I know IE isn't the NT 5 kernel, but you might be led to believe so by some of MS's legal dept's output, so I'd say turnaround is fair play. The more things change, the more they stay the same...

      Christopher

    3. Re:Perhaps not by el_chicano · · Score: 2
      I for one, have never successfuly installed a copy of Red Hat first time round since 5.0 to 8.0
      Mandrake Linux has a nice installer -- even Windows users should be able to install Mandrake successfully! :->
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    4. Re:Perhaps not by el_chicano · · Score: 2
      Ive used burnt windows CD's to install without running into a problem - but Red Hat has always barfed - and doesn't let you recover at all.
      I hate to tell old geezer stories but I actually remember having to download 40+ floppies worth of Slackware over a 9600 bps modem. Inevitably one or two of the floppies would crap out -- talk about recovery after botched installation nightmares.

      The cool thing is back then all you needed was a login shell and the text editor of your choice. If you "Read The Fine Manuals" you could figure out what file to edit and you could fix things yourself. Today I mainly configure my Mandrake box using a shell and text editor -- old habits die hard.

      Recovery procedures also depend on where the Linux installation process prematurely ended. If you have gone most of the way through you can boot a rescue image from the CDROM, mount the partition and go to town. If you can figure out how to use the command line as root you should be able to get the affected system to boot. If not then there is always Windows...
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  20. Well, now we have proof by spacefrog · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, now we have proof that the Slashdot editor's don't even read the damn articles.

    The DirecTV deal has nothing to do with rural customers. Rural customers couldn't get DSL from them before they went out of business, either.

    The DirecTV story does not apply to their satelite-based system (DirecWay/DirecPC). This is what the people in the boonies use. The article clearly states this.

  21. The Cyberiad by Alomex · · Score: 5, Interesting


    While Solaris might be the most famous book from Lem, I much prefer "The Cyberiad". The book is a mixture of Douglas Adams and Monthy Python, but at a higher level. Science fiction meets Guildernstein and Rosencratz.

    Here are a few quotes:

    "Everyone knows that dragons don't exist. But while this simplistic formulation may satisfy the layman, it does not suffice for the scientific mind. The School of Higher Neantical Nillity is in fact wholly unconcerned with what does exist. Indeed, the banality of existence has been so amply demonstrated, there is no need for us to discuss it any further here. The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each nonexisted in an entirely different way ... "

    Pastoral poem on love and tensor algebra (with a little topology and higher calculus):

    "Come let us hasten to a higher plane
    Where dyads tread the fairy fields of Venn
    Their indices bedecked from one to n
    Commingled in an endless Markov chain."

    "One day Trurl the constructor put together a machine that could create anything starting with n. When it was ready, he tried it out, ordering it to make needles, then nankeens and negligees, which it did, then nail the lot to narghiles filled with nepenthe and numerous other narcotics. The machine carried out his instructions to the letter. Still not completely sure of its ability, he had it produce, one after the other, nimbuses, noodles, nuclei, neutrons, naphtha, noses, nymphs, naiads and natrium. This last it could not do..."

  22. OS/2 should open itself by DrSkwid · · Score: 2

    maybe that windows emulation layer could prove a useful study piece

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    There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
    1. Re:OS/2 should open itself by Kevinv · · Score: 4, Informative

      won't happen. too much of the code was shared with Microsoft and is held in joint copyright.

    2. Re:OS/2 should open itself by red_dragon · · Score: 2

      If my guess is right, the shared-with-Microsoft code lies mostly within the kernel, the core libraries, and the Presentation Manager. I've always wondered, though, how much MS code do the Workplace Shell and SOM contain, specially since those are the parts that really distinguish OS/2 2.x+ from the earlier releases. Does anyone here know anything about it in this context?

      --
      In Soviet Russia, Jesus asks: "What Would You Do?"
    3. Re:OS/2 should open itself by operagost · · Score: 2

      There is no MS code in WPShell. That's why it's actually OO and conforms to IBM's CUA model. SOM? I'm not sure. There is also no MS code in the kernel. That was totally rewritten for Warp 3, which is how they managed to get the bloat down enough to where it would actually run in LESS RAM than 2.1.

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      Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
  23. Freeware by Thatmushroom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I must confess, I believe the Gnuwin cd deserves a lot more accolades. I downloaded the Open-CD iso, but I realized that with the possible exception of OpenOffice, there really weren't any applications that the people I know might possibly interested in. The multiple compilers in one location would certainly create some interest, but the communication and games packages are the ones that make me want to give this CD to those who know very little about computing. Some will say this is good, some will say I'm inviting a wave of unclean, but if I can show my friends how easy it is to use free, open-source software, then they might avoid any purchases where they contribute to Microsoft, or any company that offers an inferior product to a free one. The fear of just trying something different kept me away from even considering Linux for a long time, and the knowledge and use of free programs like this removes a lot of the fear.

    Sorry for rambling on like that.

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  24. Why I no longer frequent the Home Despot by RollingThunder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It used to be a no-brainer - Home Depot in Vancouver was open 24 hours, great selection, and a little bit closer to me than the nearest comparably sized Revy store.

    Sure, a little bit of me didn't like shopping at a US firm when there was a Canadian firm, but at 2 AM, you don't have much choice, and for some reason I always seem to end up going and getting lumber and crap for things I'm working on at 2 AM.

    Then one day, HD announced they were going stock only from 2 AM to 5 AM. Fine, I thought. No biggie. I'll just try to get there earlier.

    Then it was midnight to six.

    Then ten to six it was closed. Now it's the same hours as Revy.

    Then they "expanded their aisles to make shopping better". Nice doublespeak for "we dropped twenty percent of our stock"!

    Creature of habit that I am, I kept going there. I'm uncomfortably reminded of "how to boil a frog"... but one day, I wander into Revy on a quest for the holy rivet.

    OK, not that holy. I just needed some damn copper rivets. HD had nothing. I go into Revy, and they have not just one or two but dozens of types of rivets. I realized then how bad I'd been getting it at HD. Never going back there again!

    1. Re:Why I no longer frequent the Home Despot by RollingThunder · · Score: 2

      Odd tweaking that requires 2-by-4's, 1/2" sheet ply, and custom cut gas pipe. ;)

  25. "GNU-win" name by diaphanous · · Score: 3, Funny

    RMS dislikes the use of "win" to refer to the MS Windows platform because he regards using MS Windows as a loss, not a win. So in the GNU Emacs source code, all variables and functions in the MS Windows port that had been named win32-* were changed to w32-*.

    Additionally, In the Emacs manual, "MS-DOG" is used to reference MS-DOS.

    ~Phillip
    1. Re:"GNU-win" name by diaphanous · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just a typo. :-)

      By GNU in the Emacs manual or by Microsoft when they named MS-DOS? ;-)

      ~Phillip

    2. Re:"GNU-win" name by Moses+Lawn · · Score: 2

      Aww, isn't that cute! At least they didn't get changed to "lose32-*".

      MS-DOG - ahaha! What a riot. Those true believers, huh?

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      What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?

  26. Excellent example of warm and fuzzy by SerpentMage · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here we have an excellent example of somebody doing something because they were not sure about what they were talking about. Hence take the "safe" bet and use Windows.

    The problem with the statement she makes is that they would have a lack of drivers if they went cross-platform. So that means they have all the drivers on the i386 platform. Hence right now they are locked into i386. So since they were "locked" they might as well get locked totally and use Windows. Why, because at least it is supported!

    To Jill Taylor this logic makes sense. However, to people outside it makes little sense since either route would end up at the same destination. The problem with her logic is that she is associating Linux with cross-platform and failure to do so as a strike against the platform. In other words in her mind Linux 1 Windows 2, when in fact the score is Linux 2 Windows 2.

    It is funny when I am on panels and I make these comments on the bad logic within corporations many people take a hissy fit. The reality is that most people decide on funny logic like this.

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    "No," said Samuel, "but you can make very fast pig"
    1. Re:Excellent example of warm and fuzzy by bm_luethke · · Score: 2

      At least from my reading of the article is that they had two choices: linux on new store checkout systems, windows on the desktops (same arch at the least, maybe same hardware): or windows everywhere. They decided that purchasing hardware and making sure hardware/drivers were compatible between both systems was too much work (plus I am assuming that cost of two sets of IT staff figured in as well, or at the least extra training), So they chose windows. That seems like valid logic to me (choosing all linux would also be valid logic).

      And, like it or not, if you are either a large enough customer, or a famous enough customer, microsoft bends over backwards for you (they do for us at work, and we are mostly a linux shop). Remember the recent article about the kernel developers trying to make it harder for binary only modules? That's not really trying to woo corporate customers (and it was not thier intention to pander to coporations, so no i'm not bashing anyone when I say this). I'm not really suprised by corporate america looking at moves like that as a "negative" in the support column. You can't have the best of both worlds (do what I like and screw everybody, coporate anywhere LOVES this).

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  27. Sun's flagship teetering? by Dr.+Mu · · Score: 5, Funny
    To quote the lead-in:
    Slashback brings you more on Solaris, the not-quite-dead OS . . .
  28. It's no Home Depot... by dcuny · · Score: 2, Informative
    But I visited the local Burlington Coat Factory, and was admiring the cute lcd monitors atop the registers. About the size of my I-Opener screen.

    So I had a look at the screen, and was suprised to find a Red Hat icon instead of a Start button in the lower left hand corner.

    This turns out to be old news, but still a pleasant surprise.

    1. Re:It's no Home Depot... by Cyph · · Score: 2

      Ironically enough, I saw a Start button at my local Burlington Coat Factory store yesterday. The software they were running for the cash register wasn't running full-screen, so I managed to get a glimpse of the desktop.

      It was very limited, there was just the taskbar, the cash register application and they didn't even have a single icon on the desktop.

      I guess they didn't finish their Linux roll-out yet.

    2. Re:It's no Home Depot... by ivan256 · · Score: 2

      I guess they didn't finish their Linux roll-out yet.

      Enough speculation.

      They were the first big company to come out and announce that the were going linux. It happened years ago... 1997 I think. The reason there were no icons on the desktop was likely because it was fvwm95 on redhat 5.something. There was no desktop.

  29. Re:Er, I think you miss his point. by gimpboy · · Score: 2

    then why did the person from home depot list "support if it [home depot] decided to use cross-platform hardware" as a reason for choosing windows? that was just a silly statement and suggests the person talking doesnt know what the hell is going on.

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  30. I'll never shop at Home Depot again! by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Interesting


    They're evil because they're cash registers run an OS I don't like!
    </SARCASM>

    What's that about freedom of choice again?

    Here's a corporation that actually considered the alternative, and for whatever their reasons, right or wrong, decided it was inferior.

    How about instead of condemning them, the community looks to the reasons that linux lost a fair fight and addresses them?

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    1. Re:I'll never shop at Home Depot again! by geekoid · · Score: 2

      How to you address them when it came down to "Nobody gets fired for using windows?"

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    2. Re:I'll never shop at Home Depot again! by (H)elix1 · · Score: 2

      How to you address them when it came down to "Nobody gets fired for using windows?"

      With a pink slip when the audit rolls around?

  31. ha! Lowes doing things right by twitter · · Score: 4, Interesting
    You say this about HD:
    Much of the real work was still done on MVS (that the IBM mainframe) in JCL, assembly, and whatnot.

    The other day, I had a look at a new looking terminal in the Lowes. It was some kind of IBM box, running X. The main aplication seemed to be .... a 3270 emulator. Ta-da! the sturdy old background process continues to run but they now have a reasonable desktop to add other applications if they feel like it. No hideous CompUSA adverts blaring, just a nice clean window manager. The terminal, by the way, looked to have all the expected IBM toughness. It was pleasing to see.

    --

    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

  32. Two things at once with Microsoft? by dagg · · Score: 2

    The last time I bought something at Home Depot, I got caught in line at the register for like 25 minutes. The woman ahead of me had to get something price checked (was taking forever), and all the other lines were real long. While waiting for the price check, I asked the woman at the register whether she could ring me up while they waited. She said no. Her register could only handle one transaction at a time.

    How in the world is Microsoft software going to allow them to do two things at the same time?

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  33. Something I noticed at home depot. by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 3, Informative

    They have all their Windows cd key labels taped to the side of their PCs throughout their store for anyone to read or record.

    On the labels it specifically tells them not to remove the label either.

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    The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
    1. Re:Something I noticed at home depot. by smack_attack · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now I know where to go when Windows XP SP2 comes out and won't install. :)

      Thanks for the heads up.

    2. Re:Something I noticed at home depot. by Moses+Lawn · · Score: 2

      Actually, when you get a prebuilt box, it often comes this way. The Dell I just replaced has this. If you look at the Windows OEM CD, it says that the sticker has to be attached to the computer. Gotta make sure we can go through the office and easily see if everybody is in compliance, you know.

      It's not like the key is going to work on another CD, after all. At least I imagine it's not. Can't say that I've ever tried it.

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      What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?

    3. Re:Something I noticed at home depot. by gmhowell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They could use some common sense like my local white box shop. See, they put the label INSIDE the computer case. Hmmm, what an idea.

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    4. Re:Something I noticed at home depot. by Moses+Lawn · · Score: 2

      Well, that makes the whole key thing pretty fucking useless. Of course, it manages to fool lamers like me, so it's done its job, hasn't it?

      I just did a test with Office 2000, trying to install CD set 1 with the key from CD set 2. Yup, it works. I don't know why I should be surprised. Oh well, at least now I know I can use both sets (one key had gone missing).

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      What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?

  34. ATTENTION MODERATORS... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... Don't be stupid. Parent post recieved an overrated moderation for saying this:

    "What happened to Home Depot and the Dark Side?"

    Don't mod this guy Redundant or Off-topic. When the topic originally appeared it was missing that info. Don't burn his karma up just because he can't go back and update it now that the story is fixed.

    Normally I wouldn't bother to post something like this, but I've been burned a couple of times recently over it. If you have karma to burn, mod up the funny posts or find people that really are trolling. Don't mod people down because an article was corrected after the fact. Its not like we can run back and edit our posts to coincide with the edit to the story.

    1. Re:ATTENTION MODERATORS... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      "The article was corrected. Therefore, there was no need for people to read posts bitching about the mistake in the article. I'm glad that some of the posts were marked down. I just wish they'd marked down the rest of them."

      Why? You'd lose a lot of funny posts that way. Sorry bud, those ain't redundant. If they were found funny, they'll still be funny after the correction is made.

  35. And that is why... by SlashChick · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "HD is a retail shop, not a technology shop. ...As far as the head retailers were concerned, IT was nothing more than a 'cost center.'"

    And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why Home Depot will never be as big as Wal-Mart. Home Depot thinks of IT as a hole that the company is constantly pouring money into; Wal-Mart relentlessly uses IT to further its goals of getting the lowest cost from suppliers. (The definitive article on Wal-Mart and technology.)

    Home Depot will never be a leader in the industry if it continues to view IT as an expense rather than an investment. Your post was an excellent example of how retailers tend to forget that technology, when used properly, can not only form the core of the business, but strengthen existing product lines. Home Depot's executive staff most likely looks at Wal-Mart and ask "How do they do that?" The answer lies in Wal-Mart's aggressive stance on technology adoption.

    In fact, Wal-Mart and Home Depot are even compared here, where Wal-Mart's CIO is asked whether or not it will make a difference if competitors use RFID tags. (RFID tags are Wal-Mart's next big frontier.) "The challenge is to keep innovating faster than the competition can copy us," he says.

    If what you're saying really is true of Home Depot, expect Wal-Mart to keep swallowing Home Depot's business. Wal-Mart has never labeled itself as "just a retail shop," as you label Home Depot. Home Depot doesn't have the competitive advantage, nor does it sound like they know where to spend to get that advantage. I expect that Wal-mart will remain a leader for some time to come in the retail space. This quote sums up what you're seeing nicely:

    "'I think Wal-Mart views technology in a different light than most retailers,' says Peter Abell, retail research director at AMR Research. 'It's not only an integral part of the company, but it's where the leaders of the company can come from.'"

    This is the direction in which Home Depot must go in order to become truly successful at lowering costs and increasing productivity. Unfortunately for Home Depot, Wal-Mart is already there, and getting further and further ahead...

    1. Re:And that is why... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      actually home depot is looking at Menards and asking "hod do they do that?" Menards has them beat on every corner, every city and in every mind of every customer. How? menards has made the poorly shot and produced commercial a trademark, They produce their spots for horribly tiny money on horribly outdated equipment. Second they cust costs while gaining more exposure by only advertising on Cable and local broadcast during cheap times. they get 20-30 more ad's than all their competitors combined and if you poll people to name a home improvement wearhouse they will say the name menards first.

      Finally they are really looking at making their IT work for what they want at the lowest cost.

      Home-depot = the wannabe of the home improvement wearhouse. and will more than likely become the next Home-quarters (HQ as they were known before filing Chapter 11) if any indication of the levels of incompetence their upper management has been demonstrating.

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  36. "considering the switch..." by renard · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You may recall last year Home Depot announced they were deploying Linux at 90,000 point-of-sale terminals across the nation. Well, time went by... until now, when Home Depot announced they would be upgrading their POS systems with technology from... Microsoft

    Another case when corporate HQ's "We're considering transitioning to Linux..." turns out to be biz-speak for "Gimme a discount, Ballmer!"

    We'll know Linux has won this battle when the shoe's on the other foot and HQ mulls over "transitioning to Windows" until, I dunno, some widget-manufacturer agrees to release open-source drivers that work on the latest RedHat release... or something.

    -renard

  37. Re:The Cyberiad by Moses+Lawn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah, I love this book. What I find most amazing about it is that it was originally written in Polish, and somehow all that poetry still comes out amazing. The one you quoted goes on for another 7 verses, and each damn one rhymes. Although that's probably a much of a tribute to the translator as is is to Lem himself.

    I think my favorite story from that book is the one where Trurl creates the world's stupidest, most stubborn thinking machine that insists 2 + 2 = 7, and tries to kill Trurl when he won't agree that it's not 4.

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  38. Jill Taylor @ Home Depot by mbogosian · · Score: 2

    Jill Taylor, a director of engineering, said Home Depot considered Linux but settled on the "more mainstream" Windows operating system. She said that with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware.

    Looks like good ol' Jill is either on the dole or is susceptable to MS FUD. Either way, I wouldn't want her working for my company. That's too bad for Home Depot. That just cost them a buttload of $$$. Looks like the cost of my do-it-yourself remodel isn't going down anytime soon....

  39. Linux on POS registers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not sure how far on or off topic this is, but I happen to work for Home Depot's biggest competitor, Lowe's. All of the POS registers in the stores built in the last few years are running Red Hat, and all of the ASCII terminals are being replaced with thin clients that - surprise! - are running Red Hat as well. All of the programs we use for special order sales, project design, and such are all being ported to the new thin clients. The basic trend is to move away from Windows (Design and Special Order tools) and AIX (POS and terminals throughout the store) to Linux.

  40. The difference in science fiction by Bytal · · Score: 2, Informative

    This article illustrates the biggest rift in ideas between the former Soviet Union and Eastern Block science fiction and Western and in particular science fiction. Soviet sci-fi was the only medium for a somewhat freer expression of ideas and critisizm then most other literary channels and so veiled in otherworldly travels the reader in fact finds very deep commentary on society and technology. Unlike American sci-fi classic Soviet sci-fi rarely goes into the technology or alien biology but instead is much more preocuppied by its effect on people and it's representation of other types of societal order. I would suggest to anyone who would care about this to read Arkady and Boris Strugatski's books such as "Inhabitted Island", "Hard to be a god" and "Picnic by the roadside" the last of which was filmed by Tarkovsky as "Stalker". These are the books which are the most understandable by Western readers and with a good translation are incredibly interesting to read.

    1. Re:The difference in science fiction by Quelain · · Score: 3, Informative

      Some Strugatsky novels are online here:

      http://lib.ru/TRANSLATION/

      Prisoners of Power is a good one also.

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  41. *Excellent* translation! by Yahnz · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't have my copy handy, but I must say that the translation is the best I have ever seen. The original text is (as you can imagine) extremely difficult to convey consistently and well, especially in a language as different as English.

    The Cyberiad is also a testament to the breadth of Lem's talent. I would love to see more work in this vein, but alas, there is no more...

    A few more stories appeared here and there in Polish compendiums, but as far as I know they have not been translated into English (yet).
    In case you were curious, these new stories do not expand on the Trurl and Klaupacius per se.

    Jan

    1. Re:*Excellent* translation! by graxrmelg · · Score: 3, Informative

      Some of the other stories were published in English as the book Mortal Engines.

    2. Re:*Excellent* translation! by kalidasa · · Score: 2

      Yeah, the Globe article makes the point that the translation of *Solaris* is horrible (it's unreadable, actually, and I never appreciated the book until I had seen Tarkovsky's film and read *Fiasco*, which is much better served by the translator than *Solaris* - as far as a Polishless reader can determine, that is).

  42. Not the London Guardian by acb · · Score: 2

    Actually, the Guardian is based in Manchester, not London. It's a bit further north.

  43. Re:You have to work there to shop there? by Jethro · · Score: 2

    I dunno, I've always enjoyed going to Home Depot. The people there are actually really nice and friendly and really helpful. I've never had to carry heavy things to the register - if it's too big I get them to help me. Never had a problem with that.

    Occasionally, when I'd got smallish items that they couldn't find the SKU for, they just gave 'em to me for free.

    They're also closer by a large margin than any other hardware store. Well, big ones, anyway, there's a small Ace a bit closer.

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  44. Re:The Cyberiad by blamanj · · Score: 2

    Cyberiad is one of SF's few works of literature. Unfortunately, it's probably doomed to relative obscurity because the language is highly mathematical.

    On a side note, it was amusing to see (in the Globe article) the true colors of cold warrior hack Jerry Pournelle come to light. His characterizations of Lem as "boring" and someone who "embraces communist egalitarianism" says far more about him than about Lem.

  45. if they were POS's before.... by altek · · Score: 2, Funny

    "until now, when Home Depot announced they would be upgrading their POS systems with technology from NCR Corp., and 360 Commerce Inc. and ... Microsoft Corp."

    So they are upgrading POS systems to great big whopping POS systems! (same TLA, but use your imagination)

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  46. Now Home Depot... by nuckin+futs · · Score: 2, Funny

    will have a real POS system!
    Microsoft gives a whole new meaning to the acronym POS.

  47. Correction: Newest OS/2 was released in 2002 by pigfukr · · Score: 2, Informative

    There have been two additional releases of OS/2 since Warp 4 in 1996. Known as convenience packs. I run Merlin Convenience Pack 2 which is OS/2 4.52 which, as I said, was released in 2002. OS/2 isn't dead... but IBM's heart hasn't been been in it for a long time.

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    1. Re:Correction: Newest OS/2 was released in 2002 by reallocate · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As someone who used versions 2,3, and 4 of OS/2, I can say it sure would have been nice to see IBM put at least a little bit of energy into the OS. But, the fact is that OS/2 has never been as critical to IBM's success as Window's is to Microsoft. IBM is a much larger, much different kind of company than Mirosoft. OS/2 is just one of thousands of products, not by any means a core IBM product. It's easy to imagine an IBM without OS/2, but not a Microsoft without Windows.

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    2. Re:Correction: Newest OS/2 was released in 2002 by el_chicano · · Score: 2
      But, the fact is that OS/2 has never been as critical to IBM's success as Window's is to Microsoft. IBM is a much larger, much different kind of company than Mirosoft. OS/2 is just one of thousands of products, not by any means a core IBM product. It's easy to imagine an IBM without OS/2, but not a Microsoft without Windows.
      That is true, IBM was concentrating on its mainframe business at that time. OS/2 never really got to the support from IBM management that it should have gotten.

      But remember, back then if you bought a PeeCee you got a "FREE" copy of Windows something or the other. The preloads killed OS/2 because IBM tried to SELL it.

      IBM should have thought "loss-leader" and given the OS and development tools away. If the OS is free and tools are available for it people would be willing to use it and write apps for it.

      Hmmm... that strategy sounds a little familar... :-)
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    3. Re:Correction: Newest OS/2 was released in 2002 by reallocate · · Score: 2

      "Free" Windows preloads certainly hurt anyone trying to sell a PC OS, but I'm not sure that IBM had anything to gain by giving away OS/2 at no cost. A "loss leader" implies that customers will come back and buy another of your products. IBM really had no other products to sell into the OS/2 space, at least into the consumer space.

      In addition to Microsoft's fair and unfair competition, IBM failed to realize that a consumer OS won't sell unless you also create a compelling environment (apps and services) for customers to buy into. Microsoft has done that, and Apple has done that; even Linux has done that for its little sliver of the market. IBM, however, marketed an OS whose claim to fame was that it could run a competitor's products.

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  48. Entire statement by Lem by WG55 · · Score: 4, Informative

    At the official Stanislaw Lem Web site, they have the entire statement made by Lem about the new movie version of Solaris , written on December 8th.

    He seems to have a negative view of the typical Hollywood ending, saying that

    It seems that these deep, concrete ruts of thinking cannot be avoided: either there is a happy ending or a space catastrophe. This may have been the reason for the touch of disappointment in some of the critics' reviewsthey expected the girl created by the ocean to turn into a fury, a witch or a sorceress who would devour the main character, while worms and other filth would crawl out of her intestines.
  49. TROLL? WTF? by Maxwell'sSilverLART · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How, exactly, is this is a troll? My guess is that the moderator didn't get the joke. So, for the cosmically clueless, here it is:

    The parent poster misspelled "rogue" as "rouge." This misspelling actually resulted in a different word, properly spelled. "Rouge" is French (and other languages, including English meanings) for "red." Therefore, when Alomex commented on "rouge linux" being the standard distro in Soviet Russia, he was actually being quite witty: Red Linux is standard distro in Soviet Russia.

    Sheesh. Give some clown mod points, he turns off his brain.

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  50. Contradictory quote by pc486 · · Score: 2

    She said that with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware.

    Isn't the purpose of "cross-platform hardware" to provide cross-platfrom support or do I not speak management?

  51. Re:The Cyberiad by bcrowell · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Well, I can't deny that Pournelle is a right-wing hack. But he happens to be right --- Lem's novels are all booooooring. By contrast, that's what's great about The Cyberiad -- the collection is long enough to develop some cool ideas at length, but the individual stories aren't long enough to put you to sleep. The Cyberiad was, luckily, my first encounter with Lem. If it had been Solaris instead, I never would have read anything else by him.

    One of the big problems with Lem's novels is that the characters tend to be cold, intellectual cardboard cutouts with no personalities. I can't motivate myself to read a 300-page novel about characters I can't even tell apart. The robots in the Cyberiad, ironically, are a lot more interesting as people.

  52. smells like fud to me by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 2

    From the article

    Jill Taylor, a director of engineering, said Home Depot considered Linux but settled on the "more mainstream" Windows operating system. She said that with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware.

    If you can't standardize your POS hardware, you've got bigger problems than what OS to use. Even if you can't, I seriously doubt hardware compatiblity is really that much of a problem with Linux. I think the real kicker is the word "mainstream". I smell fud.

    1. Re:smells like fud to me by spitzak · · Score: 2

      I would agree. A legitimate excuse might be "our software does not work on Linux" or "our software writers know only Windows". Talking about "mainstream" and "drivers" for what is really specialized hardware sounds like they are parroting some bull they were fed by somebody who wanted to insult Linux.

  53. Grossly inaccurate! by Loundry · · Score: 2

    It's rouge as in jaune and vert, not rouge as in lipstick and eyeliner!

    Good post, made me laugh. :)

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  54. Time for her to take a toke from the clue bong by sterno · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's think about this for a moment. If you are deploying thousands of systems, you can set a standard and deploy a standard that is compliant with Linux. As for attached hardware, I guarantee you that any POS hardware shop would bend over backwards to make a massive sale to home depot. They are one of the 800 lb gorillas in retail so you'd think that they get a little flexibility from their vendors.

    So now they get to pay licensing fees on all of those POS systems forever. What happens when Microsoft no longer supports the OS on your registers? Now you HAVE to upgrade, and outlay even more in support costs.

    Good thinking... really...

    In reality, I guarantee that this decision is the old, "nobody lost their job choosing microsoft", the more modern version of the same phrase that was applied to IBM originally. IF they went with Linux and it was a failure for whatever reason, the person who made the decision is SCREWED. IF they go with windows and it's a failure, they won't take the heat because they went with Microsoft.

    Granted, if the Linux option succeeds they have the potential to look really good, but oh well...

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  55. That is the NCR by Archfeld · · Score: 2

    part. They are dropping their own BSD based Unix variant and moving to either Win2K or Solaris I was told by our account rep but have never seen it in print. Given the choice between X86 hardware with the possibility of Linux/Windows flavor of the month, or Solaris and the lockdown into SUN hardware,Solaris X86 is a joke sorry, I can see why this route was chosen. This is from a TeraData point of view, but I am sure it applies tthroughout NCR.

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  56. HD and Wal-Mart by Loundry · · Score: 3, Informative

    Home Depot will never be a leader in the industry if it continues to view IT as an expense rather than an investment.

    Agreed! To view IT as a cost center only is to blind oneself to the advances that we can make to "mere retail."

    In fact, Wal-Mart and Home Depot are even compared here

    You have no idea! The Home Depot concept IS the Wal-Mart concept (mostly). The common managerial question at HD upon considering a new idea was, "Has Wal-Mart done it?" The Home Depot cheer was a carbon copy of the Wal-Mart cheer. Giving stock to all company employees was an idea HD copied from Wal-Mart as well. So was the "Inverted Pyramid" idea (read: lie).

    The differences between Home Depot and Wal-Mart are why HD will shrink and Wal-Mart will grow. 1. Home Depot has a service element which is much, much more difficult to quality and inventory control. 2. HD is much more limited in what they can sell than Wal-Mart is. Many Wal-Marts now have grocery stores.

    If what you're saying really is true of Home Depot, expect Wal-Mart to keep swallowing Home Depot's business.

    It's inevitable. Wal-Mart and Home Depot will eventually be competitors, and HD will lose that battle.

    I expect that Wal-mart will remain a leader for some time to come in the retail space.

    I expect that Wal-Mart will be the defining force behind retail until the retail concept becomes obsolete.

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    1. Re:HD and Wal-Mart by weave · · Score: 2
      Another thing wrong about Home Depot is over saturation. In my area (northern Delaware) there are Home Depots everywhere, only 5 miles apart. The cost to build (or lease) those mega-stores must be huge, and they end up just sucking customers from each other. This ain't 7-Eleven. If I want to go to Home Depot, a 10-15 mile drive isn't going to stop me.

      They obviously haven't learned the lesson of other great retailers of the past that over-saturized the market with stores, like W.T.Grant for example. Huh? Never heard of Grants? Exactly....

    2. Re:HD and Wal-Mart by operagost · · Score: 2

      Since they tend to copy Wal-Mart, I'd say the plan is to overbuild to drive out all the small hardware and home stores, then close the extra stores and make people drive an hour to get a few lights and cabinet hardware.

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  57. three letters: IBM by Loundry · · Score: 2

    The other day, I had a look at a new looking terminal in the Lowes. It was some kind of IBM box, running X. The main aplication seemed to be .... a 3270 emulator.

    It's the killer app of the IBM mainframe: it doesn't crash.

    The IBM mainframe had a bright, red, candylike switch on the front of it that practically screams "SWITCH ME!!!" yet doing so would be catastrophic for the machine. I found that hilariously ironic.

    And I'll never forget the first support call I did for one of the "IBM people." I was a UNIX engineer. I told the guy, "Ok, just look in the directory /blah/blah/blah...."

    And he asked me back, "What's a directory?" Keep in mind that he was a person who was very skilled in computing and programming.

    A defining moment of my life. :)

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  58. Lem "Interview" by Bodrius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Someone has to nitpick... There is no "interview", it's just a nice short article on Stanislaw Lem, using the last movie as an excuse to call attention on an immensely underrated author.

    The "interview" part consists of a single quote, taken from the public statement he published elsewhere about the criticisms to the North American version of Solaris.

    The article is pretty good, though. I was unaware of some of the details of PKD's involvement in the SFWA debacle.

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  59. Re:The Cyberiad by professortomoe · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Look, old boy," said the machine, "if I could do everything starting with n in every possible language, I'd be a Machine That Could Do Everything in the Whole Alphabet, since any item you care to mention undoubtedly starts with n in one foreign language or another. It's not that easy. I can't go beyond what you programmed. So no sodium." There's your answer, hehe. What a great story.

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  60. Real Windows Code, Not an Emulation by reallocate · · Score: 3, Informative

    When you launch a Windows app in OS/2, it launches Windows inside a virtual DOS box, then runs your app. It's real Windows 3.1 code, not an emulation.

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  61. Re:The Cyberiad by paxil · · Score: 2, Informative
    Yeah, I love this book. What I find most amazing about it is that it was originally written in Polish, and somehow all that poetry still comes out amazing. The one you quoted goes on for another 7 verses, and each damn one rhymes. Although that's probably a much of a tribute to the translator as is is to Lem himself.

    Translation is an interesting problem.

    Douglas Hofstadter , of Goedel Escher Bach fame, wrote an entire book about the nuances of translation, using many, many translations of an obscure one stanza poem to illustrate his theme.

    It is somewhat surprising how well translation of poems or other word play works, and even more surprising is how wildly differant translations can convey the same feel, and somehow capture the feel of the original work.

    Of course, it isn't too hard to screw it up completely either.

  62. Home Depot and Microsoft? by Apathetic1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now they really will be POS terminals!

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  63. Re:Transition to linux, eh? by nsayer · · Score: 2
    VirtualDub.[...]There isn't a comparable commercial app on any operating system.

    I would say that Quicktime Pro is comperable to VirtualDub, with the obvious proviso that you wind up making Quicktime videos instead of AVIs. I'll pass on commenting on which is better and simply mention that QTP is available on both Macs and Winduhs with the same feature set. It isn't free (either definition) like VirtualDub, however.

  64. Re:Transition to linux, eh? by el_chicano · · Score: 2
    So, until there is an app as powerful as virtualdub available for linux, i'll be sticking to windows. :)
    It works under VMware (host is Mandrake 9.0 and virtual machine is running Win2K).
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  65. The Phone of Evil by steveha · · Score: 2

    About four years ago, my wife and I visited Hong Kong. At the airport, I needed to make a phone call... and the only phones available were the Phones of Evil.

    These were phones with a touch-screen LCD display. You could touch icons to get news web pages, or you could try to use it as a phone. I say "try" because I found it was very insensitive to my attempts to dial, until (in frustration) I started pressing hard and it would dial the same digit twice, making me need to start over. Finally, in desperation, I carefully dialed for an operator and asked to be connected to the number I was trying to dial.

    Next to me, I saw a phone crash. It displayed a Windows NT error message (in English!). I don't remember what the error was, just that it wanted to be rebooted.

    I wonder if the evil touchscreen phones are still there, or if they have been ripped out by now? (If they need help ripping them out, I'll volunteer.)

    When the Windows Toaster comes out, I am so not getting one.

    steveha

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  66. Other brilliant HD moves by K-Man · · Score: 2

    The description of HD's IT shop reminds me of a question that went through my head a while ago, when I read a story about how some small-time crooks defrauded HD out of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    The system they used was simple: HD had very liberal return policies, so the crooks would get a particular expensive bathroom faucet off the shelf, put a fake barcode on it, copied from a lower-priced faucet, pay the lower price at the cashier, and then return it for a cash refund at the higher price.

    Now, at this point one is saying "yes, but they always bought the same faucet, so I'm sure the dozens of returns involving the same product must have set off some bells pretty quickly". That's what I thought, too.

    But apparently they went on with this scam for more than a year, making thousands of purchases, and they were caught by (a) police (b) store security waiting for them, (c) a special fraud detection program, or (d) a cashier who recognized one of them from when he was caught switching tags a couple of years before. Did you guess (d)? That's about as intelligent as HD gets, apparently.

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    1. Re:Other brilliant HD moves by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2

      Wow. Cash back without a receipt? That's amazing.

      On a related note, have you noticed that every store now checks receipts on your way out? Aparrantly it's not because they think you're trying to steal something, it's because the cashiers are ripping them off. The cashiers will charge you $100, and you'll pay $100, but they'll give you a receipt for $50 in merchandise. Then, when you're gone, they pocket $50 from the register. Their register still has the amount of money in it that it should at the end of the day, but their system says they sold $50 worth of merchandise instead of the $100 that they sent out the door.

      Aparrantly the cashiers won't do the scam as long as there are people at the doors checking reciepts. And that's why they get so upset if you blow past the receipt-checkers. Retail security is more about protecting the store from corrupt employees than it is protecting it from shoplifters. Aparrantly it's 10 times worse for companies like movie theaters where almost all of the business is in cash.

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    2. Re:Other brilliant HD moves by operagost · · Score: 2

      How is that possible when the price is displayed on the register, and logged on a journal tape (in an old fashioned register) or in a database (in a modern POS)?

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    3. Re:Other brilliant HD moves by M-G · · Score: 2

      I've always disliked Home Depot. I go there rarely, preferring to drive extra distance to the nearest Lowe's.

      The real pisser was this past Sunday. A light switch broke in the house about 7pm. The smaller hardware stores were all closed, as was Lowe's. (And yes, Wal-Mart does carry light switches, but only those rated for copper, and I needed one rated for aluminum. Avoid Wally World like the plague anyway...) We have a 24-hour Home Depot, so figured that would be the best bet. They freakin' closed the store for a holiday party. Uh, guys, couldn't you have done this at a time when your other stores were open?

    4. Re:Other brilliant HD moves by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2

      The register screen isn't always visible to the customers. And the customers don't always pay attention. The customer expects to pay $100 and does in fact pay $100 and receives the goods he was sold. The cashier, however, logs a sale in the machine for $50 and pockets the difference.

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  67. Re:The Cyberiad by jonbrewer · · Score: 2

    I have this urge to say "me too," if only to rile up those who remember Usenet from the early 90s...

    Instead I'll try to add a little here. The Cyberiad is fantastic. It's hilarious. It had me laughing out loud on the train just like when I read Douglas Adams for the first time, but unlike Adams, Lem's wordplay remains interesting even after multiple visits. Really he is a truly brilliant man, and it shines through in the Cyberiad. Please read. :-)

  68. Re:Smirk by moebius_4d · · Score: 2
    >You read *news on FoxNEWS? FoxNEWS is an oxymoron.

    Enjoy the following quote then.

    LESLIE H. GELB, the president of the Council on Foreign Relations, watches international news obsessively, skipping from channel to channel. "I never watch a commercial," he said.

    He now considers Fox News Channel often to be a more reliable news source for international reporting than CNN or the nightly network news. Fox, he said, provides a "fairer picture, a fuller version of the different parts of the arguments" over world affairs.

    Mr. Gelb said he makes a distinction between Fox's news coverage and its opinion programs, like "The O'Reilly Factor," which he considers biased. But even here, he finds himself drawn to Fox. "CNN's commentary tends to be less biased and less interesting," he said.

    A lot of other people who do not fit comfortably into the right-wing stereotypeof Fox viewers apparently agree."


    Looks like you can't just blacken Fox's reputation together with the intellectual capacity of its viewers with the standard liberal "smarter-than-thou and nobler of purpose" brush. Because when people on the CFR, much less the President, are willing to go on record and say that they find Fox less biased, "fairer" and "fuller," then that dog won't hunt.

    Of course you provide nothing to back up your claims, and I'll bet you haven't even thought the matter through.
  69. IN SOVIET RUSSIA,,, by raehl · · Score: 2

    Body goes in pseudo-humorous comments!

  70. An old, old .sig from Usenet News by surprise_audit · · Score: 2

    "OS/2 on a PS/2 - Half an operating system on half a computer"...

  71. Re:You have to work there to shop there? by tdye · · Score: 2

    That's not Home Depot, that's the Bay Area. Hatred of the customer is a permanent fixture in practically every retail shop within a hundred miles of SF.

    I lived there for a year... I was so desensitized to the insults that when I got back to Texas I was rendered speechless by a lady at a gas station who said "How are you today" when I walked in.

    I actually had to stand outside a Macy's handing out flyers to customers before a manager would talk to me about the cashier who called by wife a little white bitch (in front of my 3-yr old daughter) and threatened to punch her, because my wife noticed she'd mischarged us.

    SF and Oakland are useless for service. It's not just HD.

  72. Like I said, something I noticed. by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2

    I didn't post this as a means for everyone to pirate Home Depots cd keys. I just noticed it and thought it was interesting. Thanks for clarifying though!

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  73. P.S. these weren't the cash registers... by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2

    These were full blown Dell PCs.

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  74. Re:The Cyberiad by yulek · · Score: 3, Informative
    well it's really a shame that all westerners always talk about the Cyberiad, treating Lem as a writer of satirical sci-fi comedy and completely dismissing the rest of his incredible body of work. everytime he comes up people who have heard of him have to bring up Cyberiada. Sigh.

    yes, Lem doesn't have the incredibly well developed characters of someone like Dick, the silly alien interactions of Asimov, the wars and battles of Pournelle, or the geekness vindication of Stephensen or Gibson.

    he doesn't try to make fantasy out of sci-fi, he doesn't try to give us a warm fuzzy about technology or society, or excite us with explosive plots. his books provide a mental challenge, paradoxes, psychology, and stark reality that most popular science fiction completely ignores. there are tons of people who used to say j.r.r. tolkien is boring. they don't anymore because JRRT is in the mainstream now, but c'mon, reading LOTR and the Silmarillion was a lot like reading history books with an occasional plot! (btw, i'm not knocking JRRT, i've always loved his work)

    now, i'm a native Polish speaker (and reader) so of course i've read Lem in Polish and maybe a lot is lost in translation (actually, i think Solaris' translation isn't all that bad, i've read it in both Polish and English). give his other works a chance: Return from the Stars, Eden, Fiasco, the short stories of Ion Tichy (Star Diaries), the essays of One Human Minute...

    read my epinions review of Lem for more, if you're interested.

    frankly, i'm really disappointed that slashdotters would be so ignorant of Lem's amazing insights in the rest of his works...

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  75. Re:The Cyberiad by Alomex · · Score: 2

    everytime he comes up people who have heard of him have to bring up Cyberiada. Sigh.

    This is like saying, why does everytime somebody talks about Allan Poe have to bring up "The Raven", sigh.

    I've read three other books by Lem, and The Cyberiad stands out. Seemingly many other "westerners" feel the same way...

    This reminds of the joke about the guy on the highway who hears a radio report: "traffic bulletin: a maniac is driving down the highway in the wrong direction" and the guy says "one? its more like hundreds!"

  76. What a poor troll by Loundry · · Score: 2

    I think I probably understand IBM mainframes than 90% of the slashdot readers. That does not by any stretch of the imagination make me skilled at using such a machine, but it does not make me clueless, either.

    It's a smudge on your character that the only thing you could think to write in your reply was an insult.

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    1. Re:What a poor troll by Loundry · · Score: 2

      And it's a stain on your character that you regard that as an insult.

      What you're saying here (and I've heard it from many different assholes I've come across in my short life) is this: "What I said was not insulting. You are either stupid or hypersensitive for regarding it as much." To call me stupid in this regard is to tell me how to think, and to call me hypersensitive is to tell me how to feel.

      You can't tell me how to think, and you can't tell me how to feel. Just like I can't tell you how to think or how to feel. Your attempts to indimidate me will fail.

      Get your panties out of a bunch! If it was an insult I would have said that you were too stupid to understand.

      You seem to be getting increasingly defensive and excited with your exclamation points, increasingly hostile tenor, and boldface characters. If I'm such a loser (and the way you're treating me seems to indicate that you feel that way toward me), then why are you wasting so much energy on me? You must have better things to spend your time on.

      It is also quite revealing that because one person has experience somewhat different than yours that the only thing you could think to write in your original post was an insult to that person's employer.

      I wasn't making fun of the person's employer (well, maybe about the red, candylike switch I was a little bit). The person's employer was Home Depot, not IBM. I called him the "IBM guy" becuase he was one of the many people who worked on the IBM at Home Depot.

      And this is relevant how?

      Any sentence of the form "And this is adjective how?" carries its own built-in sneer. You're not going to win any points or friends with that kind of attitude.

      To answer your question, it's relevant because it blows holes in your condescending and false assertion that I am clueless (about OS/390). I can say that calling me clueless was much more accurate before I had the conversation with the "IBM guy" in which he revealed that he had no concept of what a directory was. After that I learned what the cataloger was, how some of the "permissions" worked, what a GDG was, and other such IBM stuff that I needed to know to perform my job.

      The point is, IBM big iron is a very different beast than the rest of the computing world.

      I knew this long before I read anything you wrote. I'm sorry that you weren't able to ascertain this from what I wrote. I'm not sure if I need to be more clear or you need to be less hostile. Perhaps a little of both.

      Why then would the admin need to know what a directory was?

      I didn't explain myself well enough in my original post. You must have read it as if I were making fun of the IBM guy. I wasn't. I was merely showing that I was stunned by my introduction to the fact that the IBM world of computing is huge and completely different from the UNIX/Windows world of computing. UNIX and Windows are similar to each other once OS/390 is brought into the picture.

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    2. Re:What a poor troll by Loundry · · Score: 2

      Damn. Lay off the medication.

      I did that years ago.

      You are imagining any hostility here.

      You can't tell me what to think. I know it's going to take some time for that one to sink in.

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    3. Re:What a poor troll by Loundry · · Score: 2

      NOBODY WAS INSULTING OR BEING HOSTILE TOWARDS YOU IN ANY WAY.

      You suggest that I need medication, and then you yell at me. Your scream carries your claim that you weren't being insulting (even though your suggestion that I need medication implies that I am mentally ill) or hostile. I don't know how you can garner less credibility than you do now.

      What did I do to get you so worked up? Certainly you have more important things to get excited about.

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  77. The strangest thing of it all.... by cswiii · · Score: 2

    Is that Home Depot has a spokeswoman named "Jill Taylor"?

    Does anyone recognise that name? It's the same name as Tim "The Tool Man" Taylor's wife on Home Improvement.

  78. Direct Link to IBM OS/2 Article by Captain+Chad · · Score: 2

    is HERE

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