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Taking Linux to New Heights

JimDog writes "Literally. I've created a web site documenting the construction and launch of a high altitude 'weather' balloon, with a payload that runs Linux. The project was a great success, reached an altitude of 80,000 feet, and took some really amazing aerial photos."

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  1. Payload by First_In_Hell · · Score: 3, Funny

    I always though "Payload" was a term used for viruses. Is there something you are not telling us?

    1. Re:Payload by digerata · · Score: 3, Funny
      Here's a fancy photo of the payload's originator, the guy wearing the yellow shirt...

      Yikes!

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  2. My god man... by qwerty823 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...we've slashdotted his weather balloon!

  3. Had time to.. by Maeryk · · Score: 4, Funny

    scan the first page, neat project. Looked at one picture, and *WHAM* ./ effect.

    *sigh*

    We really dont need a war in iraq.. we just need to get the IP's of their main machines and post a story on /. End of Saddam's war machine.

    Guess I'll check back later tonight. Neat pictures though! I can see one being wallpaper in the very neat future.

    Maeryk

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  4. burned already by Roadmaster · · Score: 3, Funny
    "reached an altitude of 80,000 feet, and took some really amazing aerial photos."


    Then it came back to earth, where a merciless slashdot crowd pounded the poor server into the ground.
    Now all it needs is to be inside a submarine!

  5. Old News by aburnsio.com · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sorry, but you've been beaten by a few years and several hundred miles. Linux has already been in orbit aboard the space shuttle several times.

    1. Re:Old News by jmb-d · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, but you've been beaten by a few years and several hundred miles. Linux has already been in orbit aboard the space shuttle several times.

      But the debian gang didn't build their own shuttle, now did they?

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    2. Re:Old News by netsharc · · Score: 3, Funny

      The date on that link doesn't make it very believable..

      Maybe they should declare April 1 to be (inter)national holiday, imagine if we heard "The US attacks Iraq" on April 1st, no one would believe it!

      "April 1st declared an international holiday!".. but then, no one would believe that sentence either.. damn.

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    3. Re:Old News by MBCook · · Score: 3, Funny
      Last I heard, they were trying. The problem is that it's hard to get a space shuttle to work on all 237 different architectures.

      He he he.

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  6. Re:not to troll, but ... by SoCalChris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The point isn't that it is running Linux, the point is that he made a really cool project that floated to 80,000 feet and took pictures, AND he got the whole thing back to retrieve the pictures. To me that is awfully impressive. The fact that it runs Linux was just one cool part of the project.

  7. Re:Or.... not? (apologies) by JimDog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I actually thought this machine would be more up to the task. It's a PIII-450 with plenty of bandwidth.

    I think it's the Perl CGI that runs the photo gallery that's killing it.

    For the curious, the load average on the machine
    is currently about 40 :)

  8. ACME Inc by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The project was a great success, reached an altitude of 80,000 feet, and took some really amazing aerial photos."

    Shortly after, we got a photo of a cartoon-esque hole in the ground shaped like a penguin.

  9. I wish I was unemployed like him by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unemployment for me means sitting around the house reading /. and wearing sweaters because I don't have enough money to turn the heat on. Who has this much disposable cash when they aren't working? Still, very cool.

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  10. Time for... by The+Bungi · · Score: 3, Funny
    ... a new operating system:

    StratOS

    Oh, the humanity!!!

  11. Re:Or.... not? (apologies) by JWW · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ummm... It's dead Jim.

    Sorry couldn't resist.

  12. OT: What are the server requirements to survive /. by Eric+Jaakkola · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone know what kind of bandwidth usage to expect when your site gets posted to /.? This guy admits that he thought his p3 450 with a "fat pipe" would handle the load, but I belive /. generates more than 60,000 hits per hour, or 1 thousand hits per second when a "interesting" story gets posted. Now, add in images or multimedia and you've really got some resource usage.

  13. Spicing up the story by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 5, Funny

    The article would have been far more interesting if it was titled "linux hacker flies balloon and joins mile high club."

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    1. Re:Spicing up the story by Trogre · · Score: 3, Funny

      What's the mile high club?

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  14. Oh I get it... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Literally. I've created a web site documenting the construction and launch of a high altitude 'weather' balloon, with a payload that runs Linux. "

    Now Linux users everywhere will know what the weather's like outside!

  15. Re:OT: What are the server requirements to survive by JimDog · · Score: 4, Informative

    The PIII-450 is actually handling the load quite well now. I disabled the photo gallery and pointed the photo links directly to the static content.

    Load average is less than 1 now.

    I don't know what the hit rate and bandwidth utilization is like, but I'll do some Apache log analysis later and find out.

  16. Poor guy, he spent too much! by cybermace5 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Nice hack, but it can be done for much less money.

    BG Micro sells Motorola OnCore GPS boards for about $20. They also have just the pigtail connector for a serial port, but who's complaining?

    The single-board computer is nice, but you can find similar (and better) boards for much, much less than $200. Simply graze eBay for a few weeks, get a feel for what's there. I recently picked up a single-board for $40, comes with everything including four serial ports, and still retails for about $500. Same board that John uses in the Armadillo project.

    And using Basic Stamps...well, let's just say I never liked the idea of paying $50 to $90 for the exact part I could buy from Microchip for a couple bucks. Nor the idea of writing slow code in Basic, as opposed to tasty assembler and absolute hardware control.

    The chase description was great though; trucking down the freeway trying to log into a balloon that's well over any airline traffic, hoping it doesn't land in someone's windshield...or swimming pool. Makes the model rocket hunts of my youth seem pretty tame, even the time we found the rocket neatly draped on the front doormat of the mean neighbor lady's house....

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  17. Photos are fine ... however ... by Greedo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Look at this one. I hope you got permission from the San Jose Airport to do this. Don't the generally frown on people sending up ballons/model rockets/etc. in their airspace?

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    1. Re:Photos are fine ... however ... by br0ck · · Score: 5, Informative

      I believe that most airliners fly much lower than 80,000 feet. It looks like the airport's airspace is Class B which only goes to 10,000 feet. Airspace over 60,000 feet is Class G uncontrolled. I wonder if he could have tracked his balloon using the spiffy java San Jose Airport Monitor? ;)

    2. Re:Photos are fine ... however ... by ColaMan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Didja read the article?

      He said that he waded through the FAA phone system, talked to a lot of clueless people and eventually planned to put out a NOTAM (Notice to Airmen) about the ballon in the area. He also specifically put a radar reflector on the balloon , and complied with the various FAA requirements on weather balloons.

      Air traffic control (if any) would have spotted the radar reflector on it and manouevered traffic around it if necessary.

      And the odds of one cubic meter object (balloon) intersecting with another cubic meter object (engine intake) are pretty low, considering the large volume of airspace - a 1x1x1km cube is a thousand million cubic meters, and he was pushing upwards of 20km high.

      Seems like he did enough to me.

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  18. OK, if YOU want to say it's "weather balloon" by fr2asbury · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've heard THAT one before, yeah a weather balloon. *wink wink*
    Well I've got some Linux powered swamp gas over here.
    What are you REALLY hiding!?!?

  19. Great project - some Qs? by spludge · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This was a really neat project, a great combination of hacks! The writeup is great too, some serious effort went into that.

    Since I see that you are reading the comments:

    What was the total cost of the project?

    At the beginning you said that you would call the FAA NOTAM when you were going to make the launch, did you make that call? If so what did they say? :)

  20. Local Cache of website by johnatjohnytech · · Score: 3, Informative

    Cached it here http://www.johnytech.com/baloon/ Go Easy on it. ;)
    His Galleries never worked for me.

  21. Cool project, well done, but not new. by FireballFreddy · · Score: 5, Informative

    HABET (High Altitude Balloon Experiments in Technology) is one organization that has been doing this for years (I believe there are many). About 4 years ago I helped on a project that used two cameras, one with color film and one infrared. The cameras were triggered based on GPS altitude data so we examine the resulting photos and determine the difference in atmospheric interference (the clouds and graininess you see in his pics) and potentially combine the data from the color and infrared film to eliminate the interference.

    I don't know where the interference-correction went since I graduated and fled the state, but I do know that triggering the cameras based on GPS altitude worked because I wrote that portion of the PIC code. There's something very satisfying about lifting a payload a few feet into the air and hearing the cameras go *click* when you reach an altitude threshold. Kudos to this guy for making so many pieces come together.

    -FF

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  22. Re:Why stop at Linux? by leviramsey · · Score: 3, Funny
    When I get really fucking high, I usually prefer to be on a BSD system.

    That's Berkeley for ya...

    Sometimes I wonder how the Santa Cruz Software Distribution flavor of Unix would have turned out...

  23. Actually, this is kinda cool. by RayBender · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Shame, people. The comments so far have seemed to be limited to "Big deal. And he spent $1000. And his server got /. ed".

    Think about it. He built an autonomous system that went almost to the edge of space, recorded images and temperature data, and came back. I can think of a bunch of simple, fun, experiments one could do. Cosmic rays, UV astronomy, ozone measurements, etc etc.

    If he flies that thing again, I'd like to help out.

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    1. Re:Actually, this is kinda cool. by theCat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's more than a little cool. Just 20 years ago something this technically sophisticated would have sounded impossible. Heck 20 years ago it might have cost NASA $500K, taken 2 years to develop, had half the features, and suffered a systems failure 17 seconds after launch.

      We're jaded. We have no real sense of the size of things anymore. Rocket Guy is still talking about launching himself 30 miles straight up in a home-made rocket. Let's hope he does and he survives. But I'll predict now that the day after the event everyone here will shrug, bitch about his web server being /.ed, and say "it's been done before."

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  24. It�s not just the project� by 6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure it's a cool geeky project and the pics and all are wonderful.

    The impressive thing though is the way he has written it up and presented it in a clear concise readable style. An example to geeks everywhere that there is more to a project than just the tech. Equally important is being able to present the results of your creativity to others, both geek and mundane, in such a way that captures their imaginations and allows you to bring them into the excitement of your world.

  25. Re:Great project - some answers by JimDog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > What was the total cost of the project?

    Right around the $900 mark I think. I had intended to keep a really accurate account of that, but I've misplaced some of the receipts now. I also resold some of the hardware that didn't work out on eBay.

    > At the beginning you said that you would call
    > the FAA NOTAM when you were going to make the
    > launch, did you make that call? If so what did
    > they say? :)

    I did call them. I told them I was launching a
    weather balloon. They asked, basically, when,
    where, how big, what's your name? Once I'd
    answered those questions, they said, "Okay,
    thanks." and that was it :)