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70-Year-Old Prank Revealed

Saturday in the San Francisco Chronicle a story about a prank that the Clampers (E Clampus Vitus, man!) pulled on UC Berkeley was featured. In short the Clampers faked a brass plaque that intimated that Sir Francis Drake landed in Marin 462 years ago. The Clampers are an organization known for, well, drinking and horsing around, but this kind of prank, one that spans 70 years (or more than 400, depending on your point of view) is epic and inspiring.

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  1. 67 more years.... by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

    and 3dRealms will announce that Duke Nukem was also a hoax.

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    1. Re:67 more years.... by $$$$$exyGal · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Wow! I read about this 70 year-old prank this morning before it was added to /., and I was actually going to post it to my /. journal instead of the usual carefully selected geek porn.

      That is a fascinating prank. What I liked the best is the psychology of what happened. The guys friends were going to tell him what they'd done, but they opted to let the public down rather than let their friend be humiliated.

      I wonder how common this is?

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    2. Re:67 more years.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hopefully in 6.7 years, there won't be an EU anymore. Old Euians....

      Yeah, down with Euler!

    3. Re:67 more years.... by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This post implies that it's only been three years. Just for the record, the earliest Usenet Post referencing Duke Nukem Forever was June 7, *1996*. Yes, coming up on SEVEN YEARS. Heh.

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    4. Re:67 more years.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not the same Duke Nukem Forever though. They recycled the name through a few never released products because they liked it so much.

    5. Re:67 more years.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's no coincidence. Read Revelations if you want the Truth about DNF.

      For that matter, notice also the letters "DNF". D is 4, N is 14, and F is 6. Divide D in half and you get 2 - add that back to 4 and you get 6. Subtract that same 2 from 14 (N) and you get 12 - divide that by 2 and you get 6. But that's not the amazing part - now take the first 2 you used and multiply it by 6 (F) and you get 12. Then divide by the second 2 and you get 6 again. I won't even write the final result here, for fear of tempting the fates.

      Some people look forward to the final "release date" of DNF. They're fools.

    6. Re:67 more years.... by Spunk · · Score: 1

      Similar to Neverwinter Nights. When it resurfaced in the last few years I originally thought it was the same product they were planning in 1993

    7. Re:67 more years.... by netsharc · · Score: 3, Funny

      Interestingly, in some racing games they sometimes use "DNF" when a racer "Did Not Finish". :)

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    8. Re:67 more years.... by typhoonius · · Score: 0

      He's referring to a product called 'Duke Nukem Forever', which will be launched on PC and Playstation later this year.

      Aw, man, that's disturbing. It's like reading a letter from a soldier you know died in battle where he talks about what he wants to do after the war. If they only knew.

    9. Re:67 more years.... by NeoMoose · · Score: 1

      Even better, Valve will announce the same about Team Fortress 2

  2. My questions is... by gearheadsmp · · Score: 1, Funny

    Are the Clampers related to the Clampets?

  3. Old-timey Fun by molrak · · Score: 2, Funny

    So that's what people did before they had television and the internet to occupy themselves with!

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  4. Weren't those easter eggs a kind of prank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting



    Weren't those software easter eggs pranks too ? If you end up keying in some combinations of keystrokes, you might see totally unexpected funny/interesiting stuff on your screen.

    Did you miss out on this post and all the replies?

    1. Re:Weren't those easter eggs a kind of prank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll
      i found a cool easter egg...

      In the latest mozilla (may work on earlier versions), enter "http://www.goatse.cx" into the address bar and hit return!

      totally unexpected, and i bet you'll find it interesting!

  5. Stick to the basics by one9nine · · Score: 4, Funny
    Wouldn't it have been a lot cheaper and easier just to leave a bag of flaming dog poo on the professor's front step? Or make a phony phone call a la Homer style

    Homer: "Hello Dean, you're a stupid head."

    Dean: "Homer, is that you?" (Looks out the window and sees him a the pay phone right outside the office.)

    Homer: "Aaaaah!" (Runs away)

    1. Re:Stick to the basics by cybermint · · Score: 1

      Yes, but a flaming bag doesn't last 70 years! I only wish I had come up with the idea.

    2. Re:Stick to the basics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flaming Bag?

      I thought he said Flaming Fag?

    3. Re:Stick to the basics by whereiswaldo · · Score: 1

      Hmmm.. +5 funny. So at least 5 people have read and laughed at your Simpsons comment... 50 cents a piece... click click click... hmm, looks like you owe the TV network some DOH!

    4. Re:Stick to the basics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flaming Fags die of AIDS by God's hand long before 70 years has passed.

    5. Re:Stick to the basics by ToeDruid · · Score: 1

      Yup...anonymous coward you are...what a troll...

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  6. Where he was promptly met by. . . by kfg · · Score: 3, Funny

    a real estate agent who tried to sell him a 200 square foot condo for $750,000.

    Ah, those were the days, back when Bay Area real estate was still cheap.

    KFG

    1. Re:Where he was promptly met by. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet 750k for a 200 square foot condo in downtown San Fran would be a damn good deal.

  7. intimated, ay? by unformed · · Score: 4, Funny

    I didn't know Sir Francis Drake was intimate with brass plaques.

    1. Re:intimated, ay? by lommer · · Score: 1

      Would you please stop shamelessly plugging something that it is obvious tha YOU are selling on EBay? I'm getting really tired of finding these posts everywhere...

    2. Re:intimated, ay? by paulcammish · · Score: 1
      I didn't know Sir Francis Drake was intimate with brass plaques.

      I think he means 'Intimidated' - he was quite scared of them, as they kept threatening to beat him up and take his lunch money... not to mention his phobia of Sailors...

    3. Re:intimated, ay? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 1

      This is what I got out of the "dict" command:
      v 1: give to understand; "I insinuated that I did not like his wife" [syn: {adumbrate}, {insinuate}]
      2: imply as a possibility; "The evidence suggests a need for more clarification" [syn: {suggest}]

  8. The psychology of the pranker... by $$$$$exyGal · · Score: 0, Redundant

    (sorry about repeating this, I accidentally replied in the wrong place last time, which made so sense).

    Wow! I read about this 70 year-old prank this morning before it was added to /., and I was actually going to post it to my /. journal instead of the usual carefully selected geek porn.

    That is a fascinating prank. What I liked the best is the psychology of what happened. The guy's friends were going to tell him what they'd done, but they opted to let the public down rather than let their friend be humiliated.

    I wonder how common this is?

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    1. Re:The psychology of the pranker... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By that you mean, you needed another place to continue your guerrilla advertising spree.

      How much are those porn sites paying you, dude? (yes, we know you're male.)

  9. Smog control by elflet · · Score: 2, Funny

    Next we'll learn that smog controls were a historical prank perpetrated by E Clampus Vitus chapter 33MPG... We'll call the main part the 'ECV valve', that should clue them in. And if not, just think of all the beer they'll pay for..."

    1. Re:Smog control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..that would be the PCV valve.. ..and there is also the EGR valve.. ..but there is no ECV valve.

    2. Re:Smog control by cuteduo · · Score: 1

      My car has an ACV vavle :) (BTW, ACV is Air Control Valve)

  10. To bad Walton Bean's dead by calidoscope · · Score: 1

    Prof Bean (taught Cal history at UCB) was quite the believer in the authenticity of the plate.

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  11. Is it all a hoax? by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Did anybody bother to consider that the story about the hoax (and even the reference to the possibility of the hoax being a hoax) is, itself, a hoax?

    Is there any limit to the recursion on this?

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    1. Re:Is it all a hoax? by Pharmboy · · Score: 1
      Did anybody bother to consider that the story about the hoax (and even the reference to the possibility of the hoax being a hoax) is, itself, a hoax?

      Yes. The author, Carl Note did. Quoting him:

      There always remains the possibility that the tale of the hoax may in itself be a hoax, like a riddle inside an enigma.

      He went on to say that they had used several sources, and had confidence in the story, but it was possible.
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    2. Re:Is it all a hoax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did anybody bother to consider that the story about the hoax (and even the reference to the possibility of the hoax being a hoax) is, itself, a hoax?

      Well, the brass was shown to be from the 20th century. That's pretty conclusive. Of course, maybe the story of the fake plaque isn't true, and someone else made the fake plaque.

      But that's the biggest possible extent of the conspiracy.

    3. Re:Is it all a hoax? by pete-classic · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is there any limit to the recursion on this?

      Yes. My attention span.

      And . . . we just exceeded it.

      -Peter

      PS: Did anyone else take the "riddle inside an enigma" or whatever to be an allusion to the film "JFK"?

      -P

    4. Re:Is it all a hoax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention that even with the brass plaque a hoax, Drake might still have landed in Marin. Just because you're paranoid... ;)

    5. Re:Is it all a hoax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      PS: Did anyone else take the "riddle inside an enigma" or whatever to be an allusion to the film "JFK"?

      Sigh.

    6. Re:Is it all a hoax? by S.Lemmon · · Score: 1

      Actually that's not in dispute, Drake did land there and is said to have left such a plaque. The group knew the prof. was looking for it so, as the article says, they just decided to "help" him find it. :-)

    7. Re:Is it all a hoax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take your political causes off of Slashdot, you fucking gun loony.

    8. Re:Is it all a hoax? by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 1

      Nah... As the person who wrote this, I was intending it to be funny. I consider it a complete failure that it managed to get rated +3 interesting.

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  12. Emperor Norton Connection by dwdyer · · Score: 3, Interesting
    These people also picked up Emperor Norton as an icon, as did the Discordians.

    See here (info on Norton) and here (more Clamper info in the second article as well).

    -W-

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  13. News to me... by Mulletproof · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The Clampers are an organization known for, well, drinking and horsing around..."

    And what fraternitiy worth their salt isn't???

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    1. Re:News to me... by MrResistor · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Clampers aren't a fraternity, they're a club, sort of like the Elks or the Order of the Moose.

      Drinking and horsing around are what they're best known for, and what they do most often, but another thing that they do and are known for is restoring historical sites, like buildings in abandoned Gold Rush towns and such.

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    2. Re:News to me... by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

      A Fraternity-like organization with a streak of civil service? Is it possible?! ;)

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  14. Another retro review by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative

    This book came out in 1996. Hello?

  15. Ah! We Read About This As Kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...in some Reader's Digest book of mysteries. My Brit friends immediately declared it was real, and that California belonged to them. They'd never quite gotten over the fact that the UK was now a backwater and the US was the superpower, and so they clutched at anything which might restore any former glory at all. God, I hope they are reading this article now...! :D

    1. Re:Ah! We Read About This As Kids... by Zathras11 · · Score: 0

      'Strange Stories and Amazing Facts'! I love that
      book and I still pull out my copy every now and
      again to look it over. They also have an article
      in there that pre-dates the global warming lies
      stating that another ice age is just around the
      corner (there was also an old Leonard Nimoy
      'In Search of' episode that also stated that a
      new ice age was coming...) Everyone knows, or
      should know, that weather patterns are cyclical
      and not necessarily in our lifetime! You can
      prove it by watching your local weather forecast.
      They usually list the record high and low
      temperature for "this day". Watch those and you
      will understand how silly so-called GW is.
      Check with your local library, as they might
      have a copy of that book. It is still a good read!

    2. Re:Ah! We Read About This As Kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI, most Europeans are very happy that our cultures have progressed beyond imperialism, and the presumption that the whole world is available for us to seize and remake in our own image. We look forward to the day the US catches up.

  16. Speaking of Hoaxes by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This fellow has decided to take Holocaust Revisionism to its logical conclusion. A lot of info on some of the great historical hoaxes.

  17. It's called. . . by kfg · · Score: 1

    The scientific method. Google on "N-rays."

    KFG

  18. Wow. by TWX_the_Linux_Zealot · · Score: 2, Funny

    I believe that this is the oldest confirmed story Slashdot has linked to. They knew that it was hoax in 1936...

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  19. Re:70 years that's nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you know he's coming again? Is he in another porn flick again? I thought he quit doing that.

  20. Just like Nessie by blamanj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Reminiscent of the 1934 Nessie photograph. Even though it's been documented as a hoax, the true believers live on.

    And of course, crop circles are practically a religion to some.

    1. Re:Just like Nessie by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      Hey! Next you're going to say that those fairy pictures were fakes too!

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    2. Re:Just like Nessie by evilviper · · Score: 1

      And to think... Some people worry that the photos from digital cameras might be faked...

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  21. Kinderhook a hoax too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any Joseph Smith fans out there want to comment on whether the Kinderhook plates are genuine?

  22. Well, the prank was on them. by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Informative
    The E Clampus Vitus members who perpetrated the prank were themselves history professors at Berkeley as well. They had to be history professors because they used correctly archaic writing and language. But the joke was entirely on them. First, someone moved their plaque from Pt. Reyes to Remillard Point by Larkspur Landing, a drive across all of Marin and certainly deliberate IMO - it was placed in another likely place for the ship to land, but where the perpetrators couldn't find it. Then it was found three years later and conveyed to the professor, who believed its veracity. And then the perpetrators couldn't confess to their own fraud. It didn't happen under their control and they (and their victim) would have been disgraced because of all of the news that had gone on about it.

    Bruce

  23. Is noone else disturbed by this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honestly. I just went through the comments here, and noone seems to be concerned about this. Seems that everone here thinks of it as a neat mind hack.

    Someone was mislead for a VERY long time. A man's reputation was screwed up here. The fact that those who possibly put the hack together may have possibly held onto to the secret until they died is also disturbing.

    1. Re:Is noone else disturbed by this? by 286 · · Score: 1

      Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.

  24. Reminds me of another prank... by 10Ghz · · Score: 5, Funny

    In 1628, the flagship of the Swedish navy, Wasa, sank within minutes of starting her maiden-voyage (the ship was top heavy due to extra gun-deck they added in the middle of the construction).

    The ship was resurfaced in 1961 (it was discovered in 1956) . It took several days to accomplish. As it happens, there were some finnish techics-students (teekkarit) visiting Stockholm then. Teekkarit are famous for pulling pranks, and they though that this would be the perfect possibility for the ultimate prank. They went and bought a miniature copy of a statue of Paavo Nurmi (a famous finnish runner), sneaked past the guards, went in to the ship (that was still in the bottom of the sea) and placed the statue in the captains quarters. I bet the people who studied the sip after it was resurfaced were quite puzzled when they found that statue ;). The guys who pulled that off never revealed how they did it.

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  25. I don't believe it! by Abductor · · Score: 2

    That plaque has been there for ages, I just took it as fact. It's prominetly displayed on one of the busiest little thruways in Northern California-- "Sir Francis Drake Blvd". Wild!

    1. Re:I don't believe it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, this takes me back to my high school days at Sir Francis Drake, on Sir Francis Drake Boulevard, not far from Drake's Beach. I don't think that I can handle the loss of all that romantic history, like swirly pudding on the brain..

      It makes sense, though- the western coastline of Marin is chock full of long ropy forests of kelp that probably aren't too fun to sail through on wind power.

  26. Coolest one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is the one i found on the page:

  27. Re:news that gets censored.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Link?

  28. Well by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 1

    He was on a long voyage of exploration - he didn't see a woman for months, and the men were all ugly smelly sailors... A man gets desparate.

    Tim

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  29. Re:70 years that's nothing by Zirnike · · Score: 1
    Please. Everyone who reads any real books knows that the whole christian church is just a practical joke from Malaclypse the Elder.

    You haven't been reading your Robert Anton Wilson lately, have you?

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  30. so stupid.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who cares? this isnt news, nor is it interesting. stick to what you think you know.

  31. Had to be professors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Grad students could've known that as well...

    1. Re:Had to be professors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean, someone around here finally had the balls to contradict Bruce Perens? There may be hope for Slashdot yet! Were it only that I had some mod points. Ah, well...

    2. Re:Had to be professors? by darien · · Score: 1

      Seems to me, anyone with an hour to spend in the library looking at pictures of plaques could have done it.

  32. Hmmm, this got me thinking. by mpthompson · · Score: 1

    Perhaps a more modern day version of this hoax would have the following plaque turn up in an abandoned warehouse in Nevada. We can then sit back and enjoy watching the crackpots stumble over themselves yelling they told us so...

  33. Interesting ? You should be ashamed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What next - Slashdot reader reveals that before GUIs there was an OS called DOS, developed by some called Gates, that required you to type in commands and gets modded as 5: Insightful ?

  34. Can't be hoax by DrivesMyApe · · Score: 1

    Since we are told that conspiracies don't exist then this cannot be a hoax. It is impossible that the secret was kept this long.

  35. They will party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not that a clamper needs a reason to drink, but the next Yerba Buena 1 chapter meeting should be a meeting to remember.

  36. Last Post! by alpg · · Score: 0

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