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Apple Patches Sendmail Bug Quickly
90XDoubleSide writes "Apple has released Security Update 2003-03-03 (available through Software Update) which addresses the sendmail vulnerability reported earlier today, and includes a newer version of OpenSSL. Seems that Apple is getting much faster with their patches."
that was very quick response from them, I look foward to updating my work machine tomorrow.
I'm a big retard who forgot to log out of Slashdot on Mike's computer! LOOK AT ME.
Oh now, here we go with another stupid, uneducated filthy Apple zealot. I know more about computer than you will ever know, trust me. You lameness is gushing out at this point. Your foolish statement was rife with conjecture and assumption. I find amusing, your OS Crap, I mean OS X. Simple idiot software, incomplete userland, terribly slow, inferior SCSI-less, ECC memory less crap hardware. If you were a Mac zealot in the day, you had a leg to stand on, now. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. Whatever, troll. I do use Windows, for games. You wouldn't know what games are because you have a Mac, and well, there is a Warcraft III, and.... and...? Well anything PC users had 3 years ago you can play that. And half the things you have to do like defrag, have to be done off a boot CD HHAHAHAHHAAH. First you have a gay resource forkie easily corruptible HFS+ fs, then its subject to fragmentation, and then there is no online defrag API. AHHAHAHA. Other than games I use no Winderz. I have a myriad of hardware at my disposal, and I tend to like to spend most time in FreeBSD. You might have an idea of what that is because its them same userland Apple tried (and failed miserably) to port to OS X. And you stupid Mach kernel was deprecated by Carnegie Mellon in 1994, and microkernels are now considered obsolete. Sorry. You first non complete shit kernel, like that in OS9, is a fucking lame, slow, out of date kernel. HAHAHAHA.
e x.page), the first Macs shipped with 68K cpus that did not even have virtual memory management(http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com/pape rs/otherOlderPapers/anothermacpaper/virtualMemory. html). Also, PC hardware shipped with 9-bit ram so there was always one bit for parity while the Mac shipped with 8-bit ram. 9-bit is of course better because you can tell when a bit accidentally flips. It wasn't till the Mac IIfx that any Mac got 9-bit ram. (http://www.apple-history.com/IIfx.html) [Because of cost cutting measures, most desktops today regardless of PC or Mac do not have parity.] It also had a 400KB floppy drive instead of the AT's 1.2MB drive. And 128KB ram to the AT's 256KB. About the only advantage the Mac had was a pretty GUI (which you could get third-party apps. for the AT) and the 8-bit sound. And it's been the same ever since. PC's were the first to get almost everything you see on the Mac today. Notable exceptions are FireWire and possible SCSI. (I'm not too clear about SCSI.) But SDRAM, PCI, ATI graphics accelerators, Nvidia graphics accelerators, etc. all came on the PC first.
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.DOC is still a problem, I have noticed that documents shared even
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So you can sit there, on your overpriced, slow box. With firmware that blocks memory and CPU upgrades, and your sexless existence waiting for your next unemployment check, because you are indebt, all apple users max out their credit cards because they are stupid and live in dreamland. All Apple users are the first to be laid off in a company downsizing because they do nothing. And you can sit there, in debt, living off the taxes I willing pay, and you can try to bark at me like ht troglodyte troll you are and try to sink me down to your level, a mediocritomaton in a pathetic self congratulating "communisty."
And about your "best of show," the Apple X-Shit. A server with: No SCSI, not hardware RAID, no ECC memory, 2GB memory limit, and two CPUs so slow that Motorola doesn't even publish the SPEC CPU2000 mark. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. BWAHAHAHAHA. You people are so pathetic it makes me crack up.
The 286-based IBM AT already had the right components for preemptive multitasking and memory protection. It's not IBM's fault that MS software did not take advantage of what the hardware could offer. At the time (http://www.computerhistory.org/timeline/1984/ind
I think the two most innovative things to come out of Apple in a long, long time are Quartz and Firewire. But we can get Firewire on the PC now, so the only thing that is missing would be Quartz.
Why would an avid PC user care about what CPU Apple will use next? Because that dictates whether or not I can potentially move over to Mac OS X.
Bruising by Apple Roland Miller III - and other cases against apple
One notable fact concerning Apple's customer base is that it has always tested very highly in the category of brand loyalty. "Once a Mac user, always a Mac user." Apple has depended on this customer loyalty to get it through some rough times. It could always count on a portion of the market to continue to buy Apple products and continue to upgrade with Apple products. Despite (or perhaps due to) this loyalty, Apple has subjected its customers to some decidedly anti-customer abuses.
The latest example of Apple bruising its customers is a doozy. Due to shortages of the higher speed G4 processors, Apple speed reduced its entire line by 50 MHz and kept the prices the same. On top of that, Apple unilaterally cancelled all outstanding G4 orders with instructions that customers should reorder their systems. This has the net effect of increasing everyone's cost for the same system.
Needless to say, this action produced a massive and immediate customer backlash. Based on what I have seen on the net, this uproar lasted a few hours before Apple backed down and started to rejoin reality. After about a day of total confusion and rampant rumors followed by a week of small clarifications, Apple made right and reinstated all G4 orders except the high end 500 MHz model. Those customers were offered the choice of purchasing the "new" 450 MHz model at the original 450 MHz price, which is what should have been done in the first place.
While it is possible for me to see some corporate logic behind the original decision, never the less, this bright idea should not have left the meeting room where it was hatched. It doesn't take an MBA (obviously) to predict the firestorm that was touched off when this decision was implemented. The only positive thing I can see in this fiasco was the speed at which corrective steps were implemented. The corporation responded to its customer's will and proved somewhat nimble in the process.
Another recent example of Apple bruising was with AppleShare IP 6.2. Apple decided to charge several hundred dollars for this upgrade (the previous being 6.1.) The only problem was that aside from a few new features, it was mainly seen as a bug-fix and compatibility upgrade for MacOS 8.6 (which itself was a free upgrade to 8.5.1.) You couldn't run ASIP 6.1 on 8.6 and you couldn't run the upgrade on 8.5. Again, the reaction was very predictable: customer outrage. Apple listened to its customers and eventually made 6.2 a free update to 6.1.
You may have also have heard about Apple purposefully preventing G3 owners from installing G4 CPU upgrades with a firmware upgrade that officially solved another problem. People were again outraged when the rumor was confirmed by all of the CPU upgrade companies. The outrage keyed on false advertising and speculation that Apple released a Trojan horse.
There were unofficial rumors from anonymous Apple employees that this firmware block will be removed with Mac OS 9. However, there has been no official word from Apple concerning this issue. In the meantime, all the CPU upgrade companies have announced that they have gotten around the block and that their respective upgrade will work fine when they ship.
While Apple has responded favorably to two of these examples, all of these misfires do take a toll. Many people simply will not tolerate this sort of behavior from a major corporation. A company simply cannot afford to make too many of these types of decisions and still remain in business.
Ultimately what can be learned from these examples?
The perception of the "bottom-line" doesn't always coincide with the needs of the consumer resulting in corporate mistakes of judgment. Some of them can be bad enough to make the pages of the Laramie Daily Boomerang. I can't speculate on whether these bad decisions were based on stupidity or on over estimating the loyalty of Apple*s customers or both. Apple has taken concrete steps in most of these cases to defuse the situation. As long as Apple continues to admit that it is wrong and make things right immediately, I will still tolerate being one of its customers.
Until next time. .
dah dah dah. Apple tried to block G3 owners from upgrading to G4. Nice guys.
PowerForce G4 ZIF
The PowerForce G4 ZIF (Zero Insertion Force) is the only G4 CPU upgrade you will want to upgrade your "Beige" Power Mac G3, "G3 All-in-One" educational model, Blue and White G3's and the Yikes Motherboard Graphite G4's. The PowerForce G4 ZIF is one of the highest performance CPU products when used with "AltiVec enhanced" software. Utilizing the second generation PowerPC 7410 processor ("G4") the PowerForce G4 includes a full 1 megabyte of backside cache running at up to 220MHz.
G4 ZIF Upgrade vs. 800MHz G4 Apple: PowerForce ZIF G4 550/220/1MB Apple G4 733 Price $289 $1599
The Bottom Line: If you already have quite a bit invested in your Power Mac G3, it just makes sense to upgrade the processor rather than opting for the new G4 systems from Apple. Apple has finally eliminated all of the legacy ports with the removal of the ADB port on the new G4 systems, not to mention the removal of the serial ports, and SCSI on the Blue and White G3 systems. So the choice is clear. PowerLogix saves you hundreds of dollars over the cost of buying a new system!
PowerLogix was the first to release a solution for the G4 ROM block for Blue and White G3s.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article2.html?artnum
TITLE Firmware Update: Firmware Updates 4.1.7 and Later May Disable Out-of-Spec Third-Party RAM Article ID: Created: Modified: 60839 4/12/01 9/28/01
Read up. Apple is trying to make it harder and harder to use "out of spec" hahahaha memory. Luckily www.crucial.com always works. But imagine, a firmware update that DISABLES YOUR MEMORY.
This is a good start (the buying public is sending a message to Apple, how do the intend
to GROW their market share????????)
http://www.barefeats.com/pmddr.html - new macs slower DDR
SPEC-CPU-2000 (INT/FP)AthlonXP1800MHz 738/624 -- Pentium4 2533 MHz : 893 / 878 -- Power4 1300 MHz : 804 / 1202 -- Itanium2 1000 MHz : 807 / 1356 -- G4 1000MHz 306 / 187 (read and weep http://www.heise.de/ct/english/02/05/182/ )
SPEC-CPU-2000 (INT/FP)
AthlonXP1800MHz 738/624
Pentium4 2533 MHz : 893 / 878
Power4 1300 MHz : 804 / 1202
Itanium2 1000 MHz : 807 / 1356
G4 1000MHz 306 / 187 (read and weep http://www.heise.de/ct/english/02/05/182/ )
AthlonXP 1533Mhz
FreeBSD 4.6-RELEASE
OpenSSL 0.9.6a speed 5 Apr 2001
137.7
sign verify sign/s verify/s
rsa 512 bits 0.0009s 0.0001s 1109.2 14497.3
rsa 1024 bits 0.0040s 0.0002s 252.8 5308.0
rsa 2048 bits 0.0220s 0.0006s 45.6 1635.9
rsa 4096 bits 0.1419s 0.0021s 7.0 468.6
dsa 512 bits 0.0007s 0.0009s 1377.3 1161.0
dsa 1024 bits 0.0019s 0.0023s 530.2 437.7
dsa 2048 bits 0.0060s 0.0073s 165.9 137.7
P3 550MHZ x 2
FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #3
OpenSSL 0.9.6g 9 Aug 2002
39.5
sign verify sign/s verify/s
rsa 512 bits 0.0027s 0.0002s 375.7 4308.0
rsa 1024 bits 0.0131s 0.0007s 76.4 1499.7
rsa 2048 bits 0.0760s 0.0022s 13.2 451.7
rsa 4096 bits 0.5066s 0.0076s 2.0 130.8
dsa 512 bits 0.0023s 0.0028s 433.2 360.6
dsa 1024 bits 0.0064s 0.0078s 155.3 127.8
dsa 2048 bits 0.0212s 0.0253s 47.2 39.5
1GHz Motorola PPC OpenSSL 0.9.6
33.0
sign verify sign/s verify/s
rsa 512 bits 0.0024s 0.0002s 422.7 4565.7
rsa 1024 bits 0.0131s 0.0007s 76.2 1433.4
rsa 2048 bits 0.0850s 0.0025s 11.8 396.5
rsa 4096 bits 0.5872s 0.0092s 1.7 108.9
dsa 512 bits 0.0022s 0.0026s 464.3 387.9
dsa 1024 bits 0.0070s 0.0085s 142.8 117.0
dsa 2048 bits 0.0245s 0.0303s 40.7 33.0
G4 867 / 896MB / 10.1.2
24.2
sign verify sign/s verify/s
rsa 512 bits 0.0029s 0.0003s 346.3 3521.8
rsa 1024 bits 0.0172s 0.0009s 58.3 1062.2
rsa 2048 bits 0.1149s 0.0034s 8.7 293.4
rsa 4096 bits 0.8009s 0.0128s 1.2 78.3
dsa 512 bits 0.0027s 0.0034s 366.6 295.3
dsa 1024 bits 0.0094s 0.0114s 106.8 87.4
dsa 2048 bits 0.0334s 0.0413s 29.9 24.2
I laugh at you, as I sit on FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT on an SMP box that will whip your fucking gay shit machine's ass. With a Cherry on top, I get to use win2k for crap-software.
I just installed 6C115 OS 10.2 final on a G4 with 1GB of ram. SNORE. You'd think Apple would pick up on the fact they have a slow implementation of Unix on slow and inferior hardware.
Look to IBM Power4 or Intel for salvation, Motorola sucks. Intel has a larger payroll that Motorola makes on the PPC, and it shows, losers.
You make me sick you MAC zealot maggot. I see through you. Your snarky little "hahahaha," your non chalant elitist proto-communist attitude. You make me sick. You want to legislate mediocrity because you are a communist and don't believe the biggest, fastest or most qualified should win. Feiss isn't about MAC, It is such a stupid fag-ridden ad campaign, I as a Unix and PC user (as well as SPARC and HPPA) have noticed this CRAP. As far as feiss being cute, I would let her suck me off and I would crap on her for a nice Schei*e video. As far as SPEC marks go, truth hurts, doesnt 'it zealot? You like making Jobs richer? Keep at it losers. The day my company fired an x-apple (& x-NEXT) employee was the day things go better around the office - he was a techno nerd jerk, he wanted technology for technology's sake, not because it was useful. He failed to do his job, and we fired him. I hope you contract terminal cancer you snarky little faceless mac zealot fuck!
Project status as of Oct 1994
CMU is no longer doing general system development work on the Mach Operating System Kernel. The research goals of Mach were accomplished and faculty interest in OS research has moved in new directions. As a result, support for external users of the Mach kernel is mostly just in the form of on-line help files, documents and unlicensed code. The Mach WWW Home Page will direct you to other sources of information.
There is still some work being done at CMU on the Mach multi-server system (Mach_US) and real-time Mach. Information about both of these areas is accessible from the Mach home page. Mark Stevenson may contacted about Mach_US at jms@cs.cmu.edu. The Mach real-time group can be reached at rt-mach-request@cs.cmu.edu.
Development work on Mach is also continuing at the Open Software foundation, University of Utah's Flexmach project, Helsinki University of Technology's LITES system and the Free Software Foundation's HURD system.
Last updated on Oct, 1994 by mrt@cs.cmu.edu
Apple profits halve in Q2 Jobs predicts flatness ahead
By INQUIRER staff: Tuesday 16 July 2002, 22:05
APPLE MADE A NET profit of $32 million for its third quarter, almost half the profit it
made in the same period last year, and turnover fell three per cent to $1.43 billion
compared to the quarter in 2001.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4467
Funny, a BSD platform hanging in the balance because it fails an MSFT VAR. Its not BSDs
fault, trust me, its Apple.
Will Microsoft dump Mac support?
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=448
Two firms slag off each other
By INQUIRER staff: Wednesday 17 July 2002, 12:22
IS MICROSOFT CONTEMPLATING ditching support for Apple Macs?
That's the thrust of an article that appeared on Wininfo a day or two back, but if
Microsoft is getting out of the Mac market, it's not quite yet.
And all is not well in other respects, reports Mac Rumors, which has posted what it says
is an Apple FAQ saying people will have to pay for
Microsoft has already prepared a press release to time with the Macworld Expo saying that
it has announced a Microsoft Office V.x "triple header", this being an
announcement which offers better mobility with Palm handheld for Entourage X, a way to buy
Office v.X cheaper, and some Windows compatibility with the RDC client.
The Wininfo article, however, quotes Kevin Browne, who runs the Mac Business Unit at
Microsoft as saying Apple hasn't made much of an effort to promote Mac OSX, even though
there are opportunities.
He is quoted as saying that "if things don't dramatically turn round", it might
be Goodnight Mr Chips for Steve Jobs firm.
But the same article says that Apple blames Microsoft for sales problems with Office
v.X.
Jobs and Microsoft's Bill Gates have traditionally had a somewhat strained relationship.
Is this the beginning of the beginning of the end between the two companies? Wininfo.
Mac Rumors is providing a blow-by-blow account of what's happening at MacExpo on the site
link above - it seems Apple may well announce support for Nforce 2, too.
On the Nvidia site, here, you'll see that Digital Vibrance Control is "currently
unavailable on Mac systems", which is more than just a hint, we guess. *
*JOBS KICKS off MacWorld Expo at the Javitz Center at 09:00 Eastern time. There will be a
live Webcast using QuickTime, natch, here.
Note: The Dell 1650 and 2650 are both cheaper, the 2650 has SMT, and ECC (and nice linux
ECC support as well, it logs ECC errors in syslog). They also include onboard RAID(option
via 7899 asic) and a U160 AIC-7899 by default. And you can buy retail CPUs and retail
memory for Dells often at half the price without voiding the warranty.
Apple charges $500 per 120GB EIDE drive. HAHAHAHA.
Apple is right about one thing, that Alpha has existed for some time, but have you ever
tried actually buying an Alpha? Its hard, I know an engineer who works for
DEC->/Compaq->/HP, and I was dying to buy one, and he couldn't find anyone to call me
about getting one.
Apple's New 1U servers: Sorry. Doesn't fit well in a market where the Dell 1550/1650 and
2550 and 2650 exist. Sorry. THEY DON'T PUBLISH SPEC numbers. Apple is a dying breed, I
just recently tried to revive my interest in them only to be disappointed. The Motorola
PPC architecture is embarrassingly slow, and they always are quick to point out the
near-useless Altivec and some obscure filter in Photoshop, but its not true. I have a Mac,
several PCs and a SPARC at *home*, so trust me people, this box is a bore. And OS X and
Open ClosedROM make putting regular memory, disks and CPU upgrades NEAR-IMPOSSIBLE, they
try to block it so you have to buy the same part from them 3x the cost. And the Dell 530
Dual P4-Xeon with SMT buries the fastest Mac by almost a factor of two.
OS X is no great shakes as of yet because even though most of the porting off of Classic
has been done, there are annoying remnants of classic everywhere, including a gamut of
Apple utilities. These are notoriously the worst Administrator-unfriendly boxes in the
industry, and I have used a few boxen in my time. OS X's Darwin kernel will be sorely
eclipsed by Linux 2.6, and 2.4.X is already superior in all the ways I can tell (This isn't
to say BSD it bad, but I don't think this OS demands a PREMIUM). I tried YellowDog, Mandrake
and Debian on PPC as well, and they ran (even with aggressive G3 optimizations) rather
poorly - but interestingly far faster than native OS X.
This is a dying gasp of air from a dead Unix vendor, who has had to turn themselves into a
Microsoft VAR (most popular Mac Application: Microsoft Office X).
If you have an insatiable fetish for PPC, DON*T. Wait for Hammer. Remind yourself about
SMT, and 2.8GHz clock speeds before you go pay for obsolete/deprecated silicon. And the
term RISC? Pathetic.
I happily resell our product on a 1650 and 2650. We "configured" a Mac box
because we were genuinely curious. We laughed at the final price and moved on.
This isn*t a troll, or a flame * its reality. What this box does can be done with a 1650,
with redundant power supplies, with SCSI and hardware raid build ON BOARD, dual gigabit
NICs onboard, dual 1400 MHZ/512cache Tualatin (with SPEC numbers to gauge the performance
by) (2650 gets high clock Xeons), two 64bit/66Mhz slots, onboard video, console
redirection, USB, etc. And for half the price. And you can use retail Intel CPUs,(cheap),
retail hard drives (if you don*t want to buy the Dell ones at a modest premium), and
retail Crucial.com memory (the same memory Dell uses for Half the price). All in all, you
get a box, for half the price, with twice the features and performance. And this is coming
from a person who doesn*t even LIKE Dell. (I feel I can always build better more reliable
systems than most of the PC vendors.)
BBBBBBZT. Apple, you lost, you lost, you will always be niche because OS X isn't where it
needs to be * on an X86.
TO give a better link for you, since you will have trouble finding this on your own, I'll put you right where you need to be to see Motorola PPC chips are, well, so horrible they wont publish industry standard Specmarks.
http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/resul
Sorry. Apple. Steve Jobs keeps them in business but his ego is trash. I know people who work there, personally . You pay for his ego.
Ok. Publish your findings. No, I didn't think so. So its as conjective as my assertations,
which are based on my whim in addition to evidence (or lack thereof), and the reading of
the CPU Report, EE Times, etc. I'm into this industry, and unless you are a zealot, you
would know PPC is IBM now. Motorola is in the dirt.
Bzzt. I like NeXT. Ahead of its time, over priced. Darwin is useless, I have 1.4.1, its
crap. OS X is nice looking, but it is *very* easy to "piss" the system off, its
package manager is so bad compared to RPM I wont even start, and it is, as what I
consider a *nix to be, wholly inadequate and incomplete. Next.
About being content free, that's a snarky, trollish accusation. Now why don't you use Purify
on yourself and remove all the said cruft and actually say something in Apple's defense
besides naming Mach 3.0+ (like if it was 5.0+ would it make a shit bit of difference.) I
hate zealotry.
And about computing pleasure. This isn't farfenugen or a driving experience, dude, its about
stuff WORKING, well, for the lowest cost with the cheapest parts. There is no sex appeal
in server administration.
Funny, every time I have gone to a Mac shop they have, for as long as I can ever remember,
always, ALWAYS had NT based servers. Unilaterally.
And I saw a few Mac shops in my time in New York.
You know what, not that I like NT, but they worked more reliably (generally Compaq
servers) than the Macs did. (Mostly these days non parity memory and no SCSI anymore, its
a PC with horrible Mot-PPC).
Funny. When I run a linux or *nix or NT based server I don't have a
Ever. Maybe a PDF reader if I can't figure something out using Google, a few newsgroups and
other better-than-manuals-and-man-page sources.
For those wondering why
between Office X, XP and 2002 are very inconsistent. Its MSFT playing the upgrade me to
fix problems game. For complicated layout and manuals, use Framemaker or a LaTeX back ended
application or something realistic.
As far as OS X being "young", I think its probably the oldest feeling Unix there
is. Old kernel, old Unix specification (I happen to like what I find in a SYS V style
Apple does not know very well how to serve people who use unix.
I gave OS X a fair shot on a G3 with 1GB of memory. Its good. I wanted to use it instead of
Microsoft crap for home use, but I wouldn't switch from Win2k after that. They also block
CPU upgrade cards, which are expensive. They try to block 3rd party memory. The included
keyboard and mouse always sucks. And they try not to partition non-apple drives with Drive
Setup, which is the WORST partitioning utility, and Apple's partition maps are screwed up
and stupid, and trying to run OS X without classic is difficult because so many fools still
have ported their stuff to OS X.
I'll stick to PCs for home computing, and think about other vendors for servers.
I gave OS X a fair shake. I have many machines at home and with Gnucleus I was able to get
just about every Mac app compiled native for OS X in existence. (Thank god I wont be
keeping any of them or buying any of them - try before you buy, people)
I have to say that the total lack of incumbent middleware is horrible with OS X. Its
barely an OS out of the box. I hate having to boot from a CD to manage anything, and its
multiboot handling is inferior. The Norton set of tools is pathetically weak for the
money. Office X is admittedly excellent. But that's it. IE was mentioned not too long ago
as rendering incorrectly and having a huge security flaw that is fixed in 5.2.1, but the
response from MSFT took much longer than they do for x86.
If OS X was ported to x86 (looks like it has) I would buy it. Period. Forget buying a PPC
ripp off machine though.
I noticed on the OS X cd there is i386 directories littering the place and Darwin
(hahahah) works on like one computer with an Intel chip deep in the belly of Apple, but
they are not trying to make Darwin/X86 more appealing than ANY ANY of the other BSDs, they
all destroy Darwin in useablility, even when you get darwin from
http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net/.
I came, I saw, I mastered it, I left. Its BORING.
And as far as IPFW. IPF for OpenBSD is out. and there are no decent APP-firewalls for OS X
(Firewalk sucks), Brickhouse is a joke of a GUI.
I am thinking Kerio Winroute/Personal Firewall as a base comparison. The fact nothing
analogous exists in Mac OS X land make this platform more unusable. Also, if Apple like
fit and finish on Unix, why don't they make the more complicated things useable through
GUI (like Brickhouse did for IPF). Noo, the only people Apple caters to is those who die
their hair purple and sucks on pacifier and laugh at baby rattles while they are e-tarded
from their last bout with Xtasy after the cool rave for Mac zealots.
1 - Nope, not a troll opinion. People trying to name trolls are often themselves trolling
by crying wolf.
2 - Pirate, no. I deleted the software. They are liars because they say on their product
literature that the product can do things it simply cannot. Do you buy a car without a
test drive. NO. Do lots of states have cool-off periods. Yes. Are you are one of those
inferior software developers that cant let people try before they buy because you cant
deliver on your promise? Or you just and advocate for that because you benefit somehow?
3 - OS X would be easier to eat (its cheap at $130.) if I could use it on a cheap Intel
box. Then I could leave it there, tinker with it, do more to make what I like about other
Unices available to OS X. I borrowed a Mac G3 (350/1MB cache, 1GB memory, 15GB HDD/2MB
buffer) and * Linux ran better (Debian, Yellowdog and Mandrake * I did try them all) , *
GNU-Darwin was near-useless compared to the Linuxes * let alone that pile of garbage apple
calls Darwin 1.4.1, and * Mac OS X was horribly slow and clunky. I also find that
Administration in OS X is counterintuitive.
Now to address your pathetic complexes. Your quoting is interesting. You were upset about
my thread(s) and were looking to pick apart any of my comments. Grasping at straws. First
tactic you used was name calling / labeling. Cheap shot. Then you tried to confuse good
consumer strategy (protecting my wallet from thieving/lying software developers who often
sell your privacy to marketing companies, and fail to deliver proper support for software
and force version upgrades that should be called service packs) with piracy, and thus
you were attempting to assassinate my character. I would never, and have never, created
revenue for myself, any of the businesses I have worked for with unlicensed or pirated
software. I am an advocate for paying for what you use to generate revenue for yourself. I
utterly resent your insinuations. Now you try and hit your own self justified home run by
saying "Nah, wah, why would you want OS X if you don*t like it wash." I don*t
mind the software, I think it is a meritorious endeavor to have a polished UI on Unix. I
don*t see the point in cornering it to a pass* , deprecated, slow SPECmarkless overpriced
platform. I would appreciate it far more if it would be ported to x86, but alas, Microsoft
would pull the Office X plug because it would compete (rather well I might add) with
Windows XP. Therefore, Apple is a Microsoft VAR, their existence is to stay afloat and
give their shareholders money, not innovate anything useful in the community.
Sorry I wasn't fooled by them like you were. I resent you, you are alike Mao, Stalin,
Hitler. The experts agree, censorship works. If I am a fool, let me foolishness speak for
itself * as writing on this wall* * but you are far more sinister than fool, you want to
dictate, excise, remove. You want the world to be as you see it, and cannot accept a
subjective opinion because you are probably sexless and very pathetic. I resent you.
I RESENT ALL OF YOU APPLE MAC LUNATIC ZEALOTS!
you "work". Hahaha you fucking loser. you pussy bitch you dont work on an apple. no one does. you fucking bike path volvo faggot who licks jobs ballsack. you fucking god damn pussy.
updating. sounds like you got an "IT department" where work. yeah a fucking dumpster diver and trespasser at some fucking backward school that thinks apple is still not fucking gay. fucking puke poser.
strap a fucking 'workstation' on, some real unix iron. your fucking sorry ass piece of shit IS A FUCKING LAME EXCUSE, what do you think of that, assfuck?
"Apple Patches Sendmail Bug Quickly".
I'm sure if it were Microsoft, it would have been
"Microsoft Takes 48 Entire Hours To Fix Its Huge Security Exploit".
Sorry, but the bias around here really wears thin after a while. Grow up and start acting like real journalists.
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C'mon guys, I have the Jobs shrine in my bedroom closet like the rest of you, but apple (and everybody else) had WEEKS to prepare for the announcement today.
Hell, even if they did put out the fix on short notice, is that newsworthy? that's EXPECTED!
And I notice it included the recent OpenSSL fix from a few days ago. What took them so long on THAT one? (I know, they were waiting for today's announcement to do them together. But why didn't they just release two seperate fixes?)
Let's not take the apple worship TOO far.
ssh (login)@(yourmacbox)
;)
sudo softwareupdate
Of course, this only works if you have access to it from the outside
-- You canna change the laws of physics, Captain; I've got to have thirty minutes!
anti-Apple troll to say that Apple didn't do it fast enough.
Yes, that was sarcasm.
...the date for the security update is wrong, it's 2003-03-03 not 2002-03-03.
Looking at bugtraq, RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE, Connective, IBM's AIX, FreeBSD, and SGI also updated their sendmail packages. They've all had much advance notice for this, so it is no big surprise they have updates soon (i.e., simulaneously with the release from sendmail.org).
What would have been more interesting was if Apple hadn't updated their sendmail packages. With them advertising Xserve's as big iron, I would hope they would be quick with the patches.
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I wonder how long it'll take Microsoft to issue their patch for sendmail...
Shame on Google.
Redhat was much faster. Look at the post on the original slashdot article, Redhat had allready a patch available.
Which brings me to another point, Quick is a relative term, but I definitely would not use it in relation to RedHat (I would in relation to M$ patches), but comeon, use some journalistic principles here, and not blindly support OSX, I realize this is apple.slashdot.org, but we should push Apple to do better.
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I had some problems with this update.
Here is what happened...
1. Ran SW update.
2. I took a really long time to "optimize".
3. "You must reboot", OK.
4. SBOD (Spinning Beachball of Death).
5. Let it sit there for about 6 hours (while I was sleeping).
6. Still SBOD so I powered it off.
7. File system errors.
8. Whit it came backup, it fsckd and rebooted a couple of times.
Seems to be working now, anyone else have problems with this update?
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Wow, Apple actually patched the hole a year before it was discovered! Time travel?
"Redhat was much faster. Look at the post on the original slashdot article, Redhat had allready a patch available."
Look at the original Slashdot story yourself. The comment relating to Apple's patch was there within 3 hours of the one relating to Red Hat.
And note, that is when Slashdot mentioned it, not when Apple posted it. Basically, the two companies had patches out at virtually the same time.
I needed an excuse to reboot my iBook.
Is anyone else unnerved when there are no new updates for a while? To anything?
Too bad we can't say the same for J2SE 1.4 and J2EE.
In Apple's latest numbers released in January for its fiscal first quarter of 2003, revenue fell from a year earlier and all of the company's major computer lines saw diminished numbers. PowerMac sales were down 20%, while iBook sales fell 8%.
At the same time Apple's sales were falling, PC sales rose, though just slightly, according to figures from IDC released last month.
The last time Apple was in this state, it brought back co-founder Steve Jobs to fix its issues. He fostered the development of the iMac and secured a US$150-million investment from Microsoft. But there aren't any new iMacs in Apple's future and Microsoft, bolstered by its victory over the U.S. Department of Justice, is clearly not going to help the beleaguered computer maker this time.
So what have you got left? Apple is a company that controls around 3% of the computer market, has recently undergone a restructuring and is slowly fading into nothingness. Software makers don't even have Mac users on their radar and it's not like Apple can bring Mr. Jobs back to right the ship this time -- he's already there.
Stick a fork in 'em -- this Apple is cooked.
Why? Are you Mac users, and have you even RUN this update? Apple didn't test a damn thing--you apply the update and the updater thinks it hasn't applied it...so it continually comes back telling you you haven't applied the patch! Over and over. Nice going Apple...it's called "QA"...you MAY want to look into it.
One of my colleagues was complaining about not being notified immediately, but I think the situation was rather well handled (in contrast to some other recent vulnerability disclosures I could name). The vendor patches were available nearly as soon as I had heard of the vulnerability, and I won't even *guess* when the last time that happened to me was.
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I agree that it is a good thing sendmail is not enabled by default.
But why do they include it in the first place? They could include postfix instead which is known to be much more secure. (As I do not want to start an MTA war here: yes, they might as well go for qmail, which is also known to be more secure than sendmail.)
Sendmail has a better license than postfix. You love postfix so much? Talk to the authors and get them to release it under BSD. Thanks.
sendmail has vunerabilities?? ;)
I have installed it, restarted, but it came up on Software Update again. So I installed it, restared, and it is still there on Software Update! Maybe they should have tested it a bit more before pushing it out of the door? (Or there is something weird with my Mac.)
They must have gotten this patch from Microsoft. There should be no need to reboot. Sendmail is not part of Mach.
Unfortunately, Apple hasn't bothered to patch 10.1 yet, and there are a lot of people who didn't want to pay $130 for a point release only months after paying full price for 10.1.
So Apple's doing a substantially worse job than RedHat, who have released patches for the last three major versions of RedHat, plus all the point releases.
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
Get a sense of humor. FUCKTARD.
Within hours of reading about the bug I noticed the patch published in versiontracker.com. Probably minutes after I finished the patch, johncompanies sends me an email with exact instructions on how to patch my freeBSD jail server. I am positive all this happened within an hour!
Pedro
----
The Insomniac Coder
I don't know much about the Secure Mailer Liscense that IBM uses for postfix, but it appears to be Free enough that it made it in to Debian proper. The qmail in debian has to be built from source for liscense reasons (the package is qmail-src) or installed from an unofficial apt source, but postfix is there like any other package. I know apple ships some GPL software with OS X now, I can't imagine why they couldn't ship postfix. It would be awesome if fink had a bundle-djb kind of package, that disabled BIND and sendmail and replaced them with qmail and djbdns... Of course, such a package would also need to include an update script to be run after every system update (where apple clobbers your mta to update sendmail). Postfix from fink has a switch-mta command that does just this, actually. Oh yeah, that reminds me, if you want a non-sendmail mta in os x and don't want to dick around with building qmail, just fink install postfix . It's not 2.x yet, but 1.x is stable and secure, and it beats the fuck of of sendmail any day. When I breifly played with the idea of running a mailserver in osx, thats what I used.
Oh well.. there goes the karma..
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