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The Era Of Satellite News Gathering

swimgeek writes "The TV Technology for covering news as it happens is changing. This article specifically talks about the transition from ENG (Electronic News Gathering) to SNG (Satellite News Gathering). The American TV networks are close to spending $100 million for this transition, anticipating a possible war in Iraq."

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  1. President bush announces: no war in Iraq by intermodal · · Score: 4, Funny

    PRESIDENT BUSH AGREES TO MORE INSPECTORS (AP) Washington DC 4:00 PM (EST),

    President George Bush has made an announcement that we will not attack Iraq.

    The President has announced that as of today, he is agreeing to additional inspectors to be deployed throughout the country of Iraq. We will be sending 250,000 additional inspectors into Iraq. The additional inspectors will include:

    - 24,000 members of the 1st Infantry Division

    - 15,000 members of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)

    - 15,000 members of the 82d Airborne Division

    - More than 5,000 members of the 4th armored division with their "M1-A1 all-terrain vehicles"

    - Additional U.S. Army personnel, as needed for inspections

    - A variety of U.S. Air Force personnel for aerial recon missions and other "surveillance" activities.

    - A significant number of United States Marines to aid with inspections

    - United States Coast Guard personnel to inspect coastlines

    - An undisclosed number of Rangers, Green Berets, Navy Seals, Recon Marines, Delta Force, and other:

    - Special Operations personnel to inspect Iraqi "hide-aways"

    - MOAB and Daisy-Cutter bunker access devices

    - Special air deliveries to aid the inspections will be made by aircraft from the USS Constellation, USS George Washington, USS Abraham Lincoln and USS Enterprise.

    _The President stated: "With these additional resources, the inspections should be completed in a few weeks (not months -- not years)."

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    1. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by intermodal · · Score: 0, Troll

      we'll see. were it not an election year we mightve finished that shit off like we should have 10 years ago.

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    2. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by TopShelf · · Score: 5, Funny
      Meanwhile, Saddam Hussein and his band of adventurers are standing beside the Tomb of the Unknown Gulf War I Soldier, reading a crumbling old book that they found alongside:

      we have barred the gates... can hold them off long if... horrible... suffer... They are coming. We cannot get out. Drums, drums, drums... they are coming."
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    3. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by uidzer0.org · · Score: 0

      /me adds one more reason not to believe everything you see on the internet.

    4. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      Well Orcs do eat their own, in much the same way that Saddam kills his own (ie by brute force rather than civil law).

      If the laws of the country, elected by the people, stipulated that people be put to death for speaking out about the government, then that would be a different thing (what nation would do that?). But Saddam pushes these rules on the people against their will.

      robi

    5. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      Drums, drums, drums... they are coming."

      Ok, it's bugging me, I should know this, but my Zarus isn't hear yet (to keep track of things, ya know) What is this from? Lord of the Rings?

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    6. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by Sandcastle · · Score: 1

      Take a long hard look at yourself. What are you doing on slashdot if you have to ask that? LOTR - TFOTR Poser...

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      The fact that a fish swims in water does not make it an expert in fluid dynamics. GogglesPisano (199483)
    7. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > Meanwhile, Saddam Hussein and his band of adventurers are standing beside the Tomb of the Unknown Gulf War I Soldier, reading a crumbling old book that they found alongside:
      >
      >we have barred the gates... can hold them off long if... horrible... suffer... They are coming. We cannot get out. Drums, drums, drums... they are coming."

      Ahem.

      To the tune of "Five foot two, Eyes of Blue".

      Five foot nine, just quit tryin'
      Been outa sight for quite some time,
      Has anybody seen Saddam?

      The mouth that lied, is open wide,
      Schwartzkopf's dick stuck deep inside,
      Has anybody seen Saddam?

      So if you run into a sand-monkey who
      is shell-shocked with horror,
      Maybe missing a limb, but according to him,
      he just won the fuckin' war!

      Fuck Iraq,
      Fuck Iran,
      Nuke 'em both back into sand,
      Has anybody seeeeen Saddaaaammmmmmmmmmm?

      - John Valby, "Saddam", written for the first Gulf War.

      I can only imagine what Dr. Dirty will have in store for his next album.

      (Ah, fond memories of "Concerto for Voice, Piano, and 566 Screaming Assholes" and his various Christmas Albums. If you're in upstate New York and enjoy tasteless humor guaranteed to offend everyone, you've gotta see him live. :)

    8. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by h4x0r-3l337 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ... and cleans up his own damn mess.

      Seeing as how George has already stated he wants the international community to help rebuild Iraq, I'd say the US will just go in, secure "their" oil, and then leave the mess for others to clean up.

    9. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by intermodal · · Score: 1

      on the contrary, i know that already and i still think its funny as hell. i realize many will die, and i think its worth it. We should have finished this shit a decade ago during Gulf War I, and regardless of how or why, I'll be glad to see it finished.

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    10. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      Take a long hard look at yourself. What are you doing on slashdot if you have to ask that?

      Didn't read books until a couple months ago. Spent last 20 years coding, reading H2G2, playing BattleTech, mountain biking, accumulating more toys than you could shake an electronic sausage at, and burning out my retinas playing video games.

      To be honest, LOTR is good, but I've been mired in BattleTech fiction for the last 10 years, now it's pretty poor stuff, but the early books were pretty good stuff.

      Oh, and I have two sparc IPX boxen (one solaris, one RH Linux), and Amiga 2000, a laptop on loan to friends in Oz, and I'm typing on a home-made Athlon 2600+ system w/768MB (which oughta be enough for somebody) I figure I owe nobody an explanation (though I probably just gave one..) I'm easily the loser you are!

      uh.. wait a sec.. whad i say?

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    11. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by anzha · · Score: 1

      Happen to be a reference to this. I do not share its view of the situation, but, it's still friggin hilarious...

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    12. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by Cipster · · Score: 1

      I think we just witnessed the geek equivalent of jocks comparing penis sizes in the locker room. :)

    13. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um - and that's about it. The US/UK couldn't get a majority within the UN, but they don't want to foot the bill when it's all over and done with.

      I say, let them clean up their mess. They're the ones going against the world community and they can deal with it.

    14. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by Sandcastle · · Score: 1
      Yes, yes. You qualify to post on Slashdot ;-)

      It was said in jest, not meant to be a snide remark.

      I've never read the books myself, only seen the movies. Dissapointed with the second actually. The drums quote was from one of the better bits of the first movie IMHO.

      More on topic, Australian radio is abuzz now Mr. Bush has finally "officially" asked us for help. It will be interesting to see how this war is presented to us. I'm sure it will depend on whether we commit troops or not.

      We never feel more like an American Colony than when our media is basically just playing CNN at us! Last time was 11/9. (Don't argue with the day/month order thing... it would take too long).

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    15. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      More on topic, Australian radio is abuzz now Mr. Bush has finally "officially" asked us for help. It will be interesting to see how this war is presented to us. I'm sure it will depend on whether we commit troops or not.

      It was a sad moment in my travels when I met an aussie in Athens, back on New Years in 1993. He had lost brothers in Vietnam. It was a little known fact , in the states, that the US wasn't the only country getting a bloody nose in that fray. Hopefully the aussie PM has the good sense to say, "logistical support, mind you, George!"

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    16. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by Tailhook · · Score: 3, Insightful

      lot of innocent civilians ...have been, are and will be killed by Saddam whether we french around or not.

      A man tried to escape to Northern Iraq a few days ago. Bathe Party folks captured him. They tied him to a pole, cut out his tounge and let him bleed to death in public. Guess they were too busy to find an acid vat.

      Let's roll.

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    17. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by cranos · · Score: 1

      Nope he's gone "all the way with George". We are sending in Special Forces, Air Force and logistical support. Our prime minister has learnt nothing from Vietnam.

    18. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      lot of innocent civilians ...have been, are and will be killed by Saddam whether we french around or not.

      What do you bet that when the new "inspectors" are done they will uncover paper trails of lots of dirty deals that were underway with the 'coalition of the unwilling': France, Germany, Russia, and China.

    19. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by bigmammoth · · Score: 1

      ah. . yea .. those dirty deals .. nice of the US to clean it up with a nice clean war.
      The assumption made is because Saddam is bad anything we do there will be good. That assumption is just wrong. there is no evidence to support that assumption rather there is ample evidence to the contrary just look at the crippling sanctions levied against the people of Iraq, when everyone agrees that Saddam would be unaffected by the sanctions as he smuggled oil out to maintain his "standard of living" so all the sanctions accomplish is limiting rebuilding of a devastated infrastructure which amounts to brutal biological warfare as civilians are denied basic access to clean water and medial supplies.

    20. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by JimPooley · · Score: 1

      What do you bet that when the new "inspectors" are done they will uncover paper trails of lots of dirty deals that were underway with the 'coalition of the unwilling': France, Germany, Russia, and China.

      Besides the dirty deals done by the US and the UK?
      Saddam gassed his own people. Who sold him the gas? WE DID...

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    21. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      We should have finished this shit a decade ago during Gulf War I, and regardless of how or why, I'll be glad to see it finished.

      That's because it was a U.N.-backed war and all U.N.-backed wars are perpetual, because the diplomats seem to operate under the delusion that you can trust a totalitarian dictator to keep his word on a ceasefire that he signs. North Korea.

    22. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by intermodal · · Score: 1

      You're absolutely right, Citizen. Any of my friends will tell you with no hesitation that I have no love for the UN

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    23. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      Here is an interesting link. Short version: Iraqi agents use plastic shredders to execute people. You know, shredders to recycle plastic objects. Big metal drums that grind stuff up.

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    24. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's an interesting link too:

      http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0906/p25s02-cogn.h tm

      Oh, and this one:

      http://www.robert-fisk.com/robert_elias_25sept20 01 .htm

      includes:
      And the US has tested such weapons on US civilian populations, without their knowledge, in the following locations:

      Watertown, NY and US Virgin Islands (1950)
      SF Bay Area (1950, 1957-67)
      Minneapolis (1953)
      St. Louis (1953)
      Washington, DC Area (1953, 1967)
      Florida (1955)
      Savannah GA/Avon Park, FL (1956-58)
      New York City (1956, 1966)
      Chicago (1960)

    25. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by Thud457 · · Score: 1
      Is that sick fuck still corrupting our youth?!!

      I remember him from when I was still in college.

      Great, now I have to dig my tapes of "Sit on a Happy Face" and "Dr. Dirty goes to Pixieland" from under the seat.

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    26. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeeaaahhh.... theres something on somethingawful.com right now about drums... but the internet has made my short term goldfish-like and I have already forgoten it

      LOL!

      wait, what was I laughing about?
      what si this page here?
      why are we going to war again?

    27. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > Is that sick fuck still corrupting our youth?!!

      FUCK YES!

      I can't wait to hear what he's got in store for Who Gives A Fuck 2003. (The complete WGAF library would probably make a pretty good guide to pop culture and military history of the last quarter of the 20th century, now that I think about it.)

      Speaking of which - first Google hit on "who gives a fuck john valby" reveals something to tide you over while you look for those tapes.

      > Great, now I have to dig my tapes of "Sit on a Happy Face" and "Dr. Dirty goes to Pixieland" from under the seat.

      KNOCK KNOCK!
      (Who's there?)
      EMERSON!...

  2. Good News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm all for it as long as we still get the same censored none-news we've always been getting. I wouldn't want to start getting actual news, that might be stressful.

  3. Anybody... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sense a conflict of interest? Wars are interesting stories, and to place reporters in with/as soldiers smacks of conflict of interest. Who's to say that the repoters won't intentionally slip up and start skirmishes and battles for better ratings?

  4. And I was just getting used to... by UselessTrivia · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...the crappy videophone reporting feeds

  5. Bandwidth Issues by rwiedower · · Score: 4, Funny
    Already, there are some glitches. Satellite traffic jams have been a frequent frustration. The other day it took Sanders almost two hours to get a high-speed connection to send his report. "Every crew from every network is often trying to get on the same bird at the same time," he said.

    This is the modern equivalent of the old 1940s movies where twenty reporters would see a man shot, then all rush out to the same three telephone booths and all try to pile into the same one, closing the door on each other in the process while they were screaming "Operator, get me the Times!"

    1. Re:Bandwidth Issues by binaryDigit · · Score: 1, Funny

      Wow, even in war the most powerful weapon is the /. effect!

    2. Re:Bandwidth Issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, satellite bandwidth is a limited commodity. What many people seem to forget is that the transponderds on these birds are carrying alot of important traffic already. Fixed service operators (like television feeds, data services, financial links, etc.) have priority on this fixed level of total bandwidth. The remaining chunks are leased out. The DoD has a program where they lease a good bit (if not the majority) of unused bandwidth for several reasons: 1. To take the load off of military birds by sending non-classified traffic and 2. becase it gives them the ability to create an artificial glut in satellite bandwidth during times of war.

      So in short, it really doesn't matter how much the networks spend on cameras and small vsat terminals, if the satellite bandwidth is not available (for whatever reason).

  6. And if the Iraq war is over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They'll be all ready to get for North Korea. Yeah!

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  8. Will newscast for food. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK $100 million. Now how does that translate into jobs for us poor SOBs out of work?

    1. Re:Will newscast for food. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't.

      USA! USA! USA!

    2. Re:Will newscast for food. by milktoastman · · Score: 1

      It makes you tire of sitting at home and watching TV and makes you overcome your pride and laziness so that you will go out and work at a hardware story while searching for a "good" job. I used to pollinate corn for a living in high school. I'll do it again if I can't find a job out of school.

    3. Re:Will newscast for food. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, I wondered what a cornhole was used for, and now I know.

  9. I'm surprised! by djkitsch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm fairly suprised that this isn't more commonplace already. Considering the likelyhood of being able to find a working net connection (or whatever) in the average war zone, and the fact that satellite time is cheap compared to the average network's budget, this should have been done years ago.

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    1. Re:I'm surprised! by ibennetch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a college student (soon to be graduate) studying broadcasting and television production, I've heard of SNG and it's use for a number of years. The mid-eighties, I think (without bothering to look at my class notes or textbook) is when Satellite News Gathering really took off because costs were down and FCC licensing got less strict.

      The thing is, this isn't the same form of SNG -- conventional SNG involves a video feed (along with an audio channel or two and maybe a cell phone call) going out via conventional analog or digital video to a bird and being beamed back down. This, it sounds like, is converting the video to a computer file and essentially emailing that file back via a satellite internet connection. More like wireless networking than traditional SNG.

    2. Re:I'm surprised! by dcm1101 · · Score: 1

      The article did say live broadcast quality transmission. Looking at one of the manufacturer's sites (Swe-Dish) though, they mention their max data rate as being 2Mbps - which is under "standard" SNG digital video rates (ABC ABSAT, for example, uses 5.5Mbps) by a little. Of course, you can improve the signal by using more aggressive compression, but that's usually at the cost of heavier hardware demands and higher encoding latency, so you'll end up with the reporter staring at the camera for several seconds before responding to the anchor. Bottom line - this stuff is really cool and is definitely the trend to watch, but the networks aren't going to run out and sell their satellite trucks right away.

  10. Radio too! by Theaetetus · · Score: 4, Informative
    I'm writing this while taking a short break - I work for a large NPR radio group in the engineering department, and I've spent most of the past three workdays running new video and audio feeds. We've wired in Al Jazeera TV, TV Israel, TV Asia, ESC (Egyptian), and Dubai Satellite television, in addition to CNN, CSPAN, and BBC. We're building a war-room too, with multiple computers, video and audio feeds.

    ENG has definitely changed in the past decade - Gulf War I was the first to really have on-site video showing missiles launching and landing, and in Gulf War II: Die Harder, it'll be a necessity for any station that wants viewers - and we'll have several reporters in the gulf with satellite ISDN and satellite phones for on-location sound bites.

    In terms of cost, we're not that big - not a national network, just 6 stations (with a few nationally syndicated programs) - but we anticipate spending upwards of $15k on equipment and at least $5k for phone/satellite bills.

    Thing is, if you see CNN showing missiles launching and landing and your local news station with just a still photograph of Baghdad, which one will you watch?

    -T

    1. Re:Radio too! by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      I wish I could remember whom to attribute the observation to, (Lenin? Stalin?) but ~~ control the press and you control the people.

      No so meaning you prevent the press from distributing the truth, but you load it up with propaganda and all this jingoism and, well, next thing you know some Dixie Chick makes a horrible mistake, apologizing for an honest statement. That's control.

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    2. Re:Radio too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Missles "landing"?!?

      Don't you mean exploding/detonating/impacting/killing/maiming/etc ?

      Maybe you could fill us in about video of bullets "touching" enemy soldiers as well.

      I'm glad you aren't in the broadcasting department :)

    3. Re:Radio too! by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      I usualy get my (reliable) news from the BBC and from radio: NPR / PRI provide all the news I need and I don't have to put up with any commercials (except durring pledge week) or annoying DJs / reporters (except for Echos host John Diliberto).

      On 9/11 when every US media outlet's web portal was jammed the BBCs was still fully functional and had just as up to date news as the rest (more so since you didn't have to wait for the DL).

      And I live in the Western USA.

      robi

    4. Re:Radio too! by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      Well you won't find the Dixie chicks on NPR, unless Terry Gross interviews them. Thankfully.

      robi

    5. Re:Radio too! by BuhSnarf · · Score: 1

      That's because the BBC does actually rock muchly for news :)

    6. Re:Radio too! by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Honestly never heard them, myself. I just hate when some public person makes an honest, heartfelt statement, then has to recant themselves to save career. Hopefully those who threaten to make anti-war statements during the Oscars show more spine.

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    7. Re:Radio too! by Theaetetus · · Score: 1
      Missles "landing"?!?
      Don't you mean exploding/detonating/impacting/killing/maiming/etc ?
      Maybe you could fill us in about video of bullets "touching" enemy soldiers as well.

      Well, I know you were being facetious, but honestly, you remember the last war - we saw tracer fire going up, and occasional bright thingies going down, followed - sometimes - by bright flashes of light. Did we see any actual detonations? Nah, not close enough. Any killing or maiming? Again, not close enough. Plus, the missiles didn't always explode - there were duds.

      Thus, missiles 'landing'. :)

      -T

    8. Re:Radio too! by analog_line · · Score: 1

      Actually, as far as I've heard, the Qassam rockets that Hamas uses to attack Israeli settlements and towns seem to do just that...land...not explode. Either that or they've been very very lucky and those rockets haven't landed anywhere near anyone. I've seen news reports almost daily talking about rockets being shot into Israeli towns (settlements and otherwise) and I don't think I've heard of one casualty actually reported from it, though I'm sure I could be wrong on this.

    9. Re:Radio too! by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > Well, I know you were being facetious, but honestly, you remember the last war - we saw tracer fire going up, and occasional bright thingies going down, followed - sometimes - by bright flashes of light. Did we see any actual detonations? Nah, not close enough. Any killing or maiming? Again, not close enough. Plus, the missiles didn't always explode - there were duds.

      I'm ripping off David Brin's "Transparent Society" and Electric Sheep's fascinating Spiders series here, but I think it would be particularly cool - for the next big war, maybe 10 years from now when the entire planet is covered in some sort of wireless communications grid - to have ultra-small form factor machines with webcams ("gridcams?") and wireless access points, dropped en masse over the battlefield.

      Feeds from these autonomous cameras could be relayed into the grid, and individuals - civilian and military - could observe the war through any one of these gadgets.

      I'm not entirely keen on the security implications of the idea, but it'd sure make life hard for anybody - on either side - who wanted to get a little war-crime action in on the side.

      Given a theater with a wireless mesh/grid for communications, bombing out the communications infrastructure ceases to be an option -- collateral damage would be prohibitive. In such an environment, it may be better strategy to accept the principle of always-on communications as part of the environment, and to take advantage of it rather than try to shut it down.

    10. Re:Radio too! by happyhippy · · Score: 1

      Some missiles are like old time cannonballs, just a mass that will cause splinters and shrapnel to erupt within the target and injure those inside or around it. You dont need major explosives, a small amount in the tip to ensure a lot of flying shrapnel. And its this shrapnel that kills more than the actual missile.

    11. Re:Radio too! by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      Oh I'm all for GDoS Gratituis Displays of Spines (not in the Mortal Kombat Finishing move sense). That is to say I'm in favor of ones that are backed by facts and logic. "I'm 'aginit" statements sound like knee jerk reactions from old men on their front porch in rocking chairs.

      So many "pop culture" people are largly ignorant when it comes to foreign affairs that they abuse their platform and show that lack of knowledge to all. Too bad the viewing public is (on average) also as ignorant.

      (Not that I am knowledgable about foreign affairs. But I do read a lot of foreign and domestic news sites as well as seek to back up my statements with facts from multiple sources when I use those facts to back my opinions.)

      robi

    12. Re:Radio too! by cyberman11 · · Score: 1

      Ok, so what's your opinon?

    13. Re:Radio too! by Detritus · · Score: 1

      They do explode, and they have caused casualties. Luckily, most of them end up detonating in open fields, without causing injury to people.

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    14. Re:Radio too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just hate when some public person makes an honest, heartfelt statement, then has to recant themselves to save career.

      So what you're saying is, people shouldn't have asked Trent Lott to apologize for his racist remarks?

    15. Re:Radio too! by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      "Honestly never heard them, myself. I just hate when some public person makes an honest, heartfelt statement, then has to recant themselves to save career. Hopefully those who threaten to make anti-war statements during the Oscars show more spine."

      Public speeches either for or against by celebrities not in the political areana are not, IMHO, any more or less valid than mine (or yours). That said, I don't believe they deserve any more or less scrutiny. I do not believe that the record company should have asked for (read made them) apology. A believe the Dixie Chicks should be allowed to reap the consequences of their voiced opinions. Is that any different from what we should expect?

      I think the statement was stupid and shows that no brain cells were ever involved in the process.

      I also think that celebrities that do use their platform at the Oscars to promote a "peace is the only way" are living in a dilusional fairy tale land. They would loudly call for liberation if they lived under the boot of Saddam.

      Oh wait . . they would have already been raped, tortured, their families tortured and raped, and then killed after the first instance of their vocal dissent to government actions.

      robi

    16. Re:Radio too! by Turbyne · · Score: 1

      Hey Dan, nice to hear you're alive. Mingda

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    17. Re:Radio too! by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      So what you're saying is, people shouldn't have asked Trent Lott to apologize for his racist remarks?

      No, not what I said. Trent said what he meant, all the ugliness (beyond racism) was the transparent CYA activity. You think that's pretty? The man should have admitted his mistake and taken his lumps. All that CYA crap just aggrevated the situation, as it always does.

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    18. Re:Radio too! by Theaetetus · · Score: 1
      Hey, Mingda!
      Sorry, never check my BU mail - drop me a line at my wbur address (see mailto above)

      -Dan

  11. The GWB relection strategy: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think tha American people have the stomach for a 2-month war, let alone a 20-month war!

    1. Re:The GWB relection strategy: by intermodal · · Score: 1

      you're mostly right. fortunately I suspect that Daddy Bush and his cohorts are really in charge, and they dont care if the people can stomach it.

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    2. Re:The GWB relection strategy: by jmauro · · Score: 1

      I suspect it's just the cohorts. Bush I is on record as saying war now is a really, really dumb idea.

    3. Re:The GWB relection strategy: by milktoastman · · Score: 1

      It's all an evil conspiracy to ensure the continuance of American national security and global economic continuity. Those Sickos.

    4. Re:The GWB relection strategy: by punkass · · Score: 1

      just curious, but can you cite a source? Not that I don't believe you, but I haven't heard that news...

      --
      "Nobody owns the fucking words man." - James Dean
    5. Re:The GWB relection strategy: by drmofe · · Score: 1

      Um, he didn't say war was a dumb idea, but he did express reservations. Here. I'm not too surprised this wasn't widely reported in American media, even though the address took place at a US University.

      STF
    6. Re:The GWB relection strategy: by jmauro · · Score: 1

      "Reservations" is diplomatic speek for a "dumb idea". Just like "all necessary means" means war, but "serious consequences" means no war.

  12. Re:Tubgirl theory #1: The OJ enema by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm... it's too liquidy and orange to be shit. Plus I think I smelled some citrus in it.

  13. Yes.... you are absolutely correct by 0x1337 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    N0ne-news is a perfect word to describe news on channels such as CNN or FOX. They are passive, neutral. The avoid anything that might get the public's attention to the actual freakin' news in the world. They are ROT. Here are some of the stories you are likely to see ON NATIONAL NEWS 1) Laci Peterson lost for 2 months now. Had her husband Scott axed her? 2) Girl missing for 9 months found with a hobo and a prostitute. Whoo Whoo. 3) The latest from the newest rap band 4) The latest lamest movie 5) Weird psycho who set woods on fire sentenced for half of her life. 6) Latest psycho 50 year old soldier who feels like going to Iraq for the 3rd time " 'cause he's bored " 7) Crazy Wacko-Jacko sleeps with another 3-year-old. What you are NOT EVER GOING to see on these news 1) Actual news, as opposed to weird shit that sounds like it got pulled out of the "Enquirer" 2) News that explain current American and World events, as opposed to those that go something along the lines of " Disarm Iraq before carpet bombing me" 3) News that don't involve seedy "patriots" who are trying to get USA into a full-fledged 3rd world war. 4) News that have ANY FREAKIN' RELEVANCE to the lives of Americans. 5) Newscasters that are patriotic, as opposed to dancing to the flute of the gov't.

    1. Re:Yes.... you are absolutely correct by WatertonMan · · Score: 1
      I'd say that the majority of news is real news and relevant to Americans. The reason most news outlets put in the entertainment and "weird" stuff is because most people don't want to listen to news. I'm constantly amazed at how, with a likely war this week, how many people don't want to hear or talk about it.

      There's even a strong group of people who encourage others to turn off the news. Sort of the "psychological peace by way of the ostrich."

      Having said that though I think that by and large both CNN and Fox News do a fairly admirable job. My main complaint about Fox has been a dearth of international news. But I think that was in part due to it being a fairly new service. I think that, if anything, the current situation is helping Fox expand foreign relationships and start to compete with CNN in international coverage.

      Also, while I personally dislike his approach to news, one must say that O'Reilly does tend to cover news that is relevant to the lives of Americans. I find that the "pithy" approach to news oversimplifies things and forces a "rush to judgment." But in terms of the stories he covers, I feel he does a good job in topics. I just wish he covered the topics the way NPR does.

    2. Re:Yes.... you are absolutely correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You dont know shit about FOX!
      Being owned by a multinational NEWS CORPORATION they have access to news around the world at lower costs than others yet stil dont use it. All they report on about the external world is shitty holiday festivals or natural diasters. ALL IN 60 SECONDS!

      And as for the business news its all false! All they keep saying is thats its the best time to buy everything in the hope that some of the dumb fucks among inflate their shares by a point to sell before yours loses out on the rebound.
      And then theres the cases of blatent lying about stock tips. One day they tipped Johnston & Johnston for a big rise 'so get in there and buy some'. Even though it was reported and well known that the company was in big trouble for falsifying test results. That day the stock plummeted! FOX NEWS deliberately lied!

      And O'Reilly is a fucking bigot. Anyone who has a clothing sponser for a NEWS show can no way be said to be a man of the public. Sell out. Did you see him interview the son of 9/11 who signed a 'No to War' petition? O'Reilly lost the argument and resorted to tell the studio manager to cut his mike. Real fucking free speech! Really keeping it fair and balanced!

      FOX is for idiots and hicks.

    3. Re:Yes.... you are absolutely correct by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

      Dude, Fox News, recently fought and won a court case arguing that it had a constitutional right to deliberately and purposefully lie to it's viewers.

      The issue was regarding lies it told about some hormone they put in US milk, and The Murdoch Evil Empire, claimed it had free speech protection to deliberately distort the facts it reported to it's viewers.

      That's not my definition of an admirable job, and I doubt it's yours either.
      Here's the story:

      Hidden Danger in Your Milk?

      JURY VERDICT OVERTURNED ON LEGAL TECHNICALITY

      Welcome to the online news source for anyone who drinks milk or consumes other dairy products and depends on the news media to report suspected health concerns accurately and honestly.
      Here you will find behind-the-scenes details about how a large share of America's milk supply has quietly become adulterated with the effects of a synthetic hormone (bovine growth hormone, or BGH) secretly injected into cows...and how pressure from the hormone maker Monsanto led Fox TV to fire two of its award-winning reporters and sweep under the rug much of what they discovered but were never allowed to broadcast.

      After a five-week trial and six hours of deliberation which ended August 18, 2000, a Florida state court jury unanimously determined that Fox "acted intentionally and deliberately to falsify or distort the plaintiffs' news reporting on BGH." In that decision, the jury also found that Jane's threat to blow the whistle on Fox's misconduct to the FCC was the sole reason for the termination... and the jury awarded $425,000 in damages which makes her eligible to apply for reimbursement for all court costs, expenses and legal fees.

      Fox appealed and prevailed February 14, 2003 when an appeals court issued a ruling reversing the jury, accepting a defense argument that had been rejected by three other judges on at least six separate occasions. for more details on latest ruling.to view how Fox13 reported the ruling. The whistle-blowing journalists, twice refused Fox offers of big-money deals to keep quiet about what they knew, filed their landmark lawsuit April 2, 1998 and survived three Fox efforts to have their case summarily dismissed.

      It is the first time journalists have used a whistleblower law to seek a legal remedy for being fired by for refusing to distort the news. Steve and Jane are now considering an appeal to the Florida state Supreme Court.

      The journalists happen to be married to each other and this website, created by their friend and former television news producer Jon Duffey, was posted on the day the whistleblower suit was filed. It continues to provide details of the suit and subsequent appeals, as well as recent developments regarding rBGH and other genetically engineered foods.

      Copyright ©2000-2003 Target Television Enterprises, Inc.

      --
      Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. - Ambrose Bierce
    4. Re:Yes.... you are absolutely correct by Blue+Stone · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's a possibly more coherent version of the story:

      Appellate Court Rules Media Can Legally Lie.
      By Mike Gaddy
      Published 02. 28. 03 at 19:31 Sierra Time

      On February 14, a Florida Appeals court ruled there is absolutely nothing illegal about lying, concealing or distorting information by a major press organization. The court reversed the $425,000 jury verdict in favor of journalist Jane Akre who charged she was pressured by Fox Television management and lawyers to air what she knew and documented to be false information. The ruling basically declares it is technically not against any law, rule, or regulation to deliberately lie or distort the news on a television broadcast.

      On August 18, 2000, a six-person jury was unanimous in its conclusion that Akre was indeed fired for threatening to report the station's pressure to broadcast what jurors decided was "a false, distorted, or slanted" story about the widespread use of growth hormone in dairy cows. The court did not dispute the heart of Akre's claim, that Fox pressured her to broadcast a false story to protect the broadcaster from having to defend the truth in court, as well as suffer the ire of irate advertisers.

      Fox argued from the first, and failed on three separate occasions, in front of three different judges, to have the case tossed out on the grounds there is no hard, fast, and written rule against deliberate distortion of the news. The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdock, argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves. [emphasis mine]

      In its six-page written decision, the Court of Appeals held that the Federal Communications Commission position against news distortion is only a "policy," not a promulgated law, rule, or regulation.

      Fox aired a report after the ruling saying it was "totally vindicated" by the verdict.

      © 2003 SierraTimes.com

      --
      Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. - Ambrose Bierce
    5. Re:Yes.... you are absolutely correct by Bazarov · · Score: 1


      For those of you who find the Media's power to simulate reality frightening; here is a nice site dedicated to ending the tyranny of Mass Media.
      http://www.narconews.com
      http://www.narconews.com/themedium1.html

  14. Re:The plight of the oppressed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask the Iraqi defectors who claim murder, rape, and terrorist support.

  15. yeeeeeeooooooooww! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn, that would burn like a mutherfukker!
    I hope that at least put in a fifth of vodka while they were at it.

    1. Re:yeeeeeeooooooooww! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah... the voice of experience speaks out.

  16. Destroy all religions! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until humankind realizes that all religion sucks, we'll continue to have problems. Christianity is just as shitty as Islam.

  17. Re:Where are all the St Paddie's day trolls?!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WE ARE DRUNK AND PICKING FIGHTS

    just like real irishmen.

    except we have self government

  18. just goes to prove.... by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...that there are two things that drive techology forward: Porn and War. Before you laugh, think about this internet that you're on right now. It was a military network, set up so that we could maintain communications, even in the event of a nuclear attack. Then think about why it was expanded so much, because people needed more bandwith for streaming video, images, etc.

    Think of all of those fancy moon rockets, which were produced on top of all the reasearch German Military engineers did. Even the safety glass in your car was invented for gas masks long before it was in a car.

    When the next great leap in technology takes forward, it will be related either to (a)people killing each other or (b) people looking at each other naked.

    1. Re:just goes to prove.... by geekoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "It was a military network, set up so that we could maintain communications, even in the event of a nuclear attack"
      no it was not, never was, absolutly can not handle an actual nuclear attack. The fact that you moderate as informative on a 'geek' site goes to show how powerfull an urban ledgend can be. sheesh.

      The military has its own nation wide telcom infrastructre that was designed with ' All possible military needs' in mind.

      porn may have utilized the net, but they never did anything that could be considered an innovation.

      So which was it that lead Linus to begin Linux; porn, or war?

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    2. Re:just goes to prove.... by NotAnotherReboot · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, in theory, battlefield porn is the next killer app?

    3. Re:just goes to prove.... by WatertonMan · · Score: 1
      ...that there are two things that drive techology forward: Porn and War.

      And with Playboy's Girls of the Armed Services pictorial, you get to combine the two!

    4. Re:just goes to prove.... by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      So, in theory, battlefield porn is the next killer app?

      Soldiers usually get plenty of the real thing. Why would they bother with porn?

      Of course, this is Iraq... Not like we're liberating Paris. Again.

      But, on the other hand, the military is unisex now. Pregnancy was a significant "issue" during GW1.

      --
      Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
    5. Re:just goes to prove.... by gilroy · · Score: 1
      Blockquoth the poster:

      porn may have utilized the net, but they never did anything that could be considered an innovation.

      Compression schemes?
    6. Re:just goes to prove.... by obnoximoron · · Score: 1

      > ...that there are two things that drive techology forward: Porn and War.
      In other words.. sex and violence.

    7. Re:just goes to prove.... by Lemmeoutada+Collecti · · Score: 1

      Has to be War, after all, we all know Micro$oft has WMD (Windows Media DRM)!

      --

      You can have it fast, accurate, or pretty. Pick any 2.
    8. Re:just goes to prove.... by TracerJPN_USMC · · Score: 1

      unfortunately this can never happen, it is against the USMC (uniform code of military justice) to appear in lewd photos. sigh.

      --
      magnanomous.
    9. Re:just goes to prove.... by TracerJPN_USMC · · Score: 1

      UCMJ even.

      --
      magnanomous.
    10. Re:just goes to prove.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "It was a military network, set up so that we could maintain communications, even in the event of a nuclear attack"


      no it was not, never was, absolutly can not handle an actual nuclear attack.


      Yes it was! The ARPANet was built to withstand a nuclear attack! And why do I believe that? Because it's true! Because it's true! Because it's true!

  19. Why satellites? by Honest+Man · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In my opinion - If I were a Country trying to defend myself against any military force today that depends on technology, I would attack the orbiting satellites immediately upon the onset of war.

    Just my 10 cents though.

    1. Re:Why satellites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      and how many countries have the capabilities to take out a sat in LEO? All that talk of WOMD (Weapons of Mass Destraction) aside, certainly not Iraq.

    2. Re:Why satellites? by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
      The only country able to do that (or at least used to) is (was) the Soviet Union. They scrapped that program along with their Buran space shuttle.

      Iraq can't even shoot down a U2, let a lone a satellite. I think we're safe.

    3. Re:Why satellites? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      yeah, with these big 'lasers' and they would be used to destroy incoming missiles too.

      --
      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
    4. Re:Why satellites? by ZPO · · Score: 1

      The US mothballed its only active ASAT system in the late 80s/early 90s (IIRC). It was carried by the F-15 and had definite limits on the altitude of satellite it could engage and negate.

      Effectively intercepting an orbiting platform is not a trivial task.

      A more achievable solution would be some scattered jamming dishes broadcasting wideband noise on the uplink frequency. These would, of course, be a huge target for air strikes. With a combination of fixed and mobile units you might manage to jam reasonably effectively on civillian birds for about 12-18 hours before all your assets were located and negated.

    5. Re:Why satellites? by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      "If I were a Country trying to defend myself against any military force today that depends on technology"

      It ain't that easy to monkey with someone else's satellites. If you radiate, you die. This, of course, precludes jamming. If you're third world, you have no means to put stuff in orbit, or if you do, no means to aim it. GPS satellites and geosync transponders are as far out of Iraq's reach as the Saturn. Forgetaboutit. Even if you're first world, your enemy can move, hide, defend and replace anything you shoot at.

      --
      Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
    6. Re:Why satellites? by 0x1337 · · Score: 1

      WIth what? 30 year-old rusty empty scud tubes?

  20. Re:The plight of the oppressed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I will when *you* will spoon fed eater of propaganda.

  21. Here's an irish car! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out this Irish car. What a beauty!

  22. How is this NEW? by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    During the last Gulf War (1991?) Saddam Hussein kept up with what was happening by watching CNN. Understanding the power of satellite transmissions, countries like Iran, which keep a tight lid on what's in the news, have yanked satellite dishes from people, (also, as they claim, western TV corrupts the morals. Ha! Leaders ought to know...)

    --

    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    1. Re:How is this NEW? by Jonny+Ringo · · Score: 1

      I guess its like watching yourself on "COPS" while they're breaking down your door.

  23. Re:The plight of the oppressed. by milktoastman · · Score: 1

    If it goes against the way you want the world to be, it's propaganda, but when it presents a world view you find agreeable...thank god those few noble souls were able to leak out the truth.

  24. what does falco have to say about this? by digifuzz · · Score: 1

    "Our love will shine so bright
    when we're lovin' via satellite
    lo-ove.
    Satellite to satellite
    lo-ove
    satellite to satellite
    lo-ove
    "

    Well, there ya go.

    --
    http://www.digifuzz.net
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  26. But How many reporters will Die? by Montgomery+Burns+III · · Score: 1

    ok, so they are using all of this sweet technology.
    Are there not systems (military) designed to trace and home in on communications and control centers?
    If I were one of these reporters, I would want to make sure that I was well behind friendly lines. One surface to surface missle can ruin your whole day.

    --

    'ta
    1. Re:But How many reporters will Die? by Varigg · · Score: 1

      If you are approved by the US government you are safe (except for the occasional snafu). If you are an independent journalist reporting what really is going on you will likely die

  27. They're probably hungry as it is... by cs02rm0 · · Score: 1

    "They'll bounce over the Iraqi dessert"

    1. Re:They're probably hungry as it is... by terras · · Score: 1

      Yeah, avoiding "dangerous situations" like the GIANT Maraschino Cherry (tm).

  28. Re:The plight of the oppressed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember the first Gulf war's "noble souls" like Nayirah?

    http://www.counterpunch.org/cohen1228.html

    Buddy, wake the fuck up. The track record says otherwise.

  29. media coverage by Senator_B · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Although all these new advances in technology are pretty cool, and the leap from what reporters were using last year is exponential, I still get the feeling that between all the media coverage, and the lack of sensitivity of most Americans, this "war" is going to turn into a Fox-style reality TV series. I do think that there should be media coverage, but the coverage needs to remain serious and unbiased (no, not Fox News unbiased, the real unbiased). I don't think this will happen in the near future, but if this trend continues, TV stations could start hyping induvidual battles just to boost ratings. This is similar to what the Romans did when they would recreate battles for the public to see.

    1. Re:media coverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And -that- is precisely what matters. It's a ratings game, remember. Whomever is the first vulture to arrive -- gets the goods.

      Journalistic integrity, for the most part, died a long time ago. Journalists may disagree with that harsh assessment, but they aren't the people running the 'show'.

      And they realise this.

  30. All I can say about this is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If You're Happy and You Know It, Bomb Iraq

    by John Robbins
    (to the tune of "If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands")

    If you cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq.
    If the markets are a drama, bomb Iraq.
    If the terrorists are frisky,
    Pakistan is looking shifty,
    North Korea is too risky,
    Bomb Iraq.

    If we have no allies with us, bomb Iraq.
    If we think somebody dissed us, bomb Iraq.
    So to hell with the inspections,
    Let's look tough for the elections,
    Close your mind and take directions,
    Bomb Iraq.

    It's "pre-emptive non-aggression," bomb Iraq.
    Let's prevent this mass destruction, bomb Iraq.
    They've got weapons we can't see,
    And that's proof enough for me,
    If they're not there, they must be,
    Bomb Iraq.

    If you never were elected, bomb Iraq.
    If your mood is quite dejected, bomb Iraq.
    If you think Saddam's gone mad
    With the weapons that he had,
    And he tried to kill your dad,
    Bomb Iraq.

    Fall in line and follow orders, bomb Iraq.
    For our might knows not our borders, bomb Iraq.
    Disagree? We'll call it treason,
    Let's make war not love this season,
    Even if we have no reason,
    Bomb Iraq.

    1. Re:All I can say about this is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everybody now. Follow the bouncing bomb.

    2. Re:All I can say about this is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Id rather just break my foot off in your ass. That song is going to be in my head all day.

    3. Re:All I can say about this is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Violence is not the answer.

  31. And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not -one- American news media outlet covered what Robin Cook had to say in his personal statement to the House of Commons.

    I'd say that's objective. Who 0wnz the US media?

    1. Re:And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why goto a US news site anyway?
      FOX News had a court case recently saying it wasnt illegal to deliberately lie in a news report. Then had the gall to report it as a triumph for democracy and free speech.p>Face it, the US media is worse that most other dictatorships propoganda.

    2. Re:And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same thing happened with the Hans Blix report in Jan. It was editted to hell on CNN and FOX, leaving out the bits about the aluminium tubes not being capable for weapons.

  32. Differences between bidirectional, live, and fast by benwaggoner · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've consulted on a few systems like this before. This article conflates a few different flavors of real-time broadcasting via bird.

    The traditional mode uses bidirectional communciation, where the anchor can ask questions of the on-location talent. This has the advantage of being immediate (mostly). However, due to the latency of the encode and transmission, there is always a noticeable delay. These systems tend to use standards-based videoconferencing codecs like H.263. Bang for the bit isn't very good, so the quality is poor over most connections.

    The next is real-time unidirectional, like a standard internet live broadcast. The video is transmitted in real-time, but the encoder uses a buffer in order to control data rate better. There can be a 15-20 second delay between something happening at it being seen on television. More modern or even proprietary formats/codecs like MPEG-4, QuickTime, and Windows Media 9 can be used. Thus, quality will be better than the bidirectional mode.

    The next is "fast" where a file is compressed locally, and uploaded as a file. Most of the examples from the article of this type, encoding with tools like Movie Maker or Cleaner. The plus of this is that you can use as many bits as you want, so quality can be great, if you can afford the increased upload time. Also, since it uses TCP/IP, there isn't a risk of data corruption from dropped packets. This is fine for anything that isn't breaking news - expect at least an hour or so delay.
    For video broadcast, ideally interlaced encoding would be used, but it doesn't sound like it is in these examples. Squeeze certainly can't handle interlaced output for QuickTime, although it can for MPEG-4. Getting the optimum settings for encoding is my area of specialty.

    Still, only a few decades ago, the nightly news was produced by guys with film cameras shooting on actual film, and then rushing to get the film developed in time for broadcast. It's amazing how quickly things change.

    Ten years from now, upload will probably be built into the cameras - no laptop needed, unless editing locally.

  33. Live Porn From Iraq by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this mean one can broadcast live porn from Iraq? Where do I sign up?

  34. Re:Porn and War? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, everyone knows what Einstein had on his mind while with Marilyn (E=MC2 = Erection = Marilyns Carpet and 2 boobs)

  35. Going once... by El_Smack · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The American TV networks are close to spending $100 million for this transition, anticipating a possible war in Iraq."
    Man, they better hurry.

    --


    There are 01 kinds of cars in the world. The General Lee, and everything else.
  36. Different vendors's products under stress: by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ok, so:

    - NBC is using Apple G4 w/Final Cut Pro and Discreet Cleaner.

    - CBS is using Windows PCs w/Avid (editing centers), Adobe Premiere (producers & photojournalists close to action), or MovieMaker 2 (for dumbkopfs?).

    - CNN and Fox aren't talking, and ABC's tech wasn't mentioned.

    So lets see who flakes out and compare quality and timeliness. B-)

    (Note that we'll probably be able to find out what CNN, Fox, and ABC used after the fact, once the info won't give their competitors an advantage.)

    --
    Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
    1. Re:Different vendors's products under stress: by WatertonMan · · Score: 1

      I've seen Apple Powerbooks among the Fox reporters. I don't know if that is standard or not. It makes sense. I find Final Cut Pro is very nice. I don't know what their video conference software is, but it tends to be rather choppy and pixelated. If they are all using Macs, that may make sense. I believe that video conferencing software is better on PCs than Macs at the moment. (Correct me if I'm wrong - its not a field I know much about)

    2. Re:Different vendors's products under stress: by unitron · · Score: 1
      Fox is using Powerbooks 'cause Geraldo is planning to win the war singlehandedly by uploading a virus to the mothership.

      You have to admit it makes about as much sense as his plan to be the one to shoot Bin Laden.

      --

      I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

  37. The new york times had it on the website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The new york times had it on the front of the site the minute it reuters. Doesn't mean new york times is good, but it's less sucky than the the McNews on TV. New York Times is basically the best mainstream news source in America. It's still not great but it's better than the rest of the shit.

  38. Yes and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read, comprehend and truly understand this (from someone who covered the original Gulf War on NBC):

    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/03/17/scu d_ stud/index_np.html

    The US, who prides itself on democracy, has shown its true colours.

    Democracy works so long as everyone agrees with the short-sighted American foreign policy.

    If another WTC happens, your hands are covered in blood.

    YAY FOR THE WORLD!!!

    1. Re:Yes and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed.

      Bu$h & Co. are damn fucking egoistic people. The fact that most Americans go in line with these mad guys makes me think about Americans in general. I am afraid that accordingly the majority of Americans must be damn fucking egoistic too. That is all except those few bright people who are against war/Bu$h.

      No imperialism = No war

      No blood for oil.

  39. Slashdot spin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, here's a spin. NBC vs. CBS.

    According to the article, the NBC guy uses a Mac, CBS guy uses Win XP.

    Now that's something slashdotters can argue about!

  40. Re:not just oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this flaimbait? This post is absolutely right. Remember the Wired article post on Slashdot about the transition to the whole hydrogen economy. If the US were to spend the money needed to conduct a war on Iraq on reducing dependency on foreign oil and alternative energy sources, the US wouldn't need to go to war for oil's sake... The US and the rest of the civilised world could tell the towelheads to suck sand and watch them fall back into the stone age without Western money and technology.

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  42. Further Incentive by rev.felix · · Score: 1

    Oil companies are already backing Bush on this war, and why wouldn't they? Like any corporation, they're just seeking maximum profit. Now the news networks all have multi-million dollar incentives to ensure a war. It seems like we're caught in a catch 22 here. Every company that suspects a war is going to happen and thus "invests" in it, adds to the economic inertia which will ensure that it does in fact proceed.

  43. correction: It did not carry the statement! sorry! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You where right! It just said he resigned but it didn't carry the unedited statement.

  44. CAPITALISM IS A SICK SYSTEM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you believe news of the impending war is sending stocks surging!!

    That's disgusting!

    What kind of fucking system is this where mass slaughter and violence raises stock prices!

    So this is bushes plan to revive wall street? Murder his way to a revived market?

    Fuck that!

    1. Re:CAPITALISM IS A SICK SYSTEM! by spooky_nerd · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's the war that is making stock prices rise; it's knowing what is going to happen next. Once people know, or think they know, what is going to happen, they will know where to invest their money. Stock prices could have risen just as easily on news of continued inspections and a deal with the French. It just would have been a different set of stocks going up.

    2. Re:CAPITALISM IS A SICK SYSTEM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      War is supposed to be certain? Vietnam was supposed to be a quick victory where we would just go in, kill off everyone who opposed us and put in a puppet regime. They where just an agrarian civilizations of farmers, how could the great industrial might of american capitalism not easily dispatch them? Well 10 years a crushing defeat later I guess we realized it wasn't so easy to invade and conquer people...

    3. Re:CAPITALISM IS A SICK SYSTEM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Well 10 years a crushing defeat...

      Nice troll. We saved the south from invasion. When we left, there was a peace treaty in place to protect the south. We went in, did what we intended to do, and left after doing it. Hey trollboy, how is that a loss? I guess you didn't study history.

    4. Re:CAPITALISM IS A SICK SYSTEM! by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 1
      Once people know, or think they know, what is going to happen, they will know where to invest their money Buy derivatives on uncertainty, trade the uncertainty and then when you know what will happen, convert those derivatives to cash investments. This is normal.
  45. News Stations fund terrorists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    How do you think FOX News and the rest of the so called pro-war stations are able to do their satellite links from Baghdad?

    BY BRIBING THE OFFICIALS!

    You, your patriotic propoganda machines are just as dirty as your executives.

    USA - Home of the fee, land of the grave.

  46. waste of money by Archfeld · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Will read it on the net from a foreign news source just like I would anyways, anything else is so slanted and pre-digested as to be worthless for news anyways.

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    1. Re:waste of money by Theaetetus · · Score: 1
      Shucks, and you're our only listener, too! And you never listen to the radio in your car, instead have a satellite connection for your laptop and a text-to-speech converter, right? And of course those foreign news sources never have a slant to them! I hadn't realized until your message that my field was so useless.

      :)

      Now, would the 99.9999% of the rest of the population that actually likes getting their information from multiple sources kindly disregard my above paragraph? Thank you.

      -T

    2. Re:waste of money by Brian_Ellenberger · · Score: 2, Funny

      anything else is so slanted and pre-digested as to be worthless for news anyways

      You mean like that NPR reporter above you refering to the war as "Gulf War II: Die Harder". :)

    3. Re:waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, so you perfer news slanted and pre-digested in a different way.

      Sometimes I think the most dangerously stupid people are the ones who think they're better than everyone else, but are actually more sheepish.

    4. Re:waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other sites are reporting the `news`, fuckwit, not an easily digestible edu-tainment package, designed to fit between Cops and the latest video on MTV. People outside the States are more likely to have some knowledge and background about the situation in the middle east, so the nonense Bush et al (Jesus, his speeches sound like they are aimed at 11 year olds) spew out just don't wash here. Why do you think the *whole of the rest of the world*, with very few exceptions, don't want anything to do with the current agression against Iraq?

    5. Re:waste of money by Theaetetus · · Score: 1
      "anything else is so slanted and pre-digested as to be worthless for news anyways"

      You mean like that NPR reporter above you refering to the war as "Gulf War II: Die Harder". :)

      You see, Brian, there's this neato thing called 'reading'. If you 'read' my original post you'd see that the entire post is about the fact that I'm in engineering.

      Am I a reporter? No.
      Do I have any say about what goes on air? No.
      Therefore, does any personal bias I have make a lick of difference?

      I leave that as an exercise to the 'reader'.

      -T, not a reporter

    6. Re:waste of money by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      No but funny you have the same lame attitude and smart ass mouth that seems to think it knows the only truth. You also seem a wee bit defensive about working for a dying cash hog like NPR. When are you gonna try the real world and see if you can hold a job that is not federally subsidized ? Maybe you can break out and go to broadcast school and teach your great store of knowledge. While me and the rest of the .01% find a real news source instead of a predigested government approved stinking pyle like NPR :)
      Note NPR plays some good music but it is like looking for news from the Looney Toons news crew.

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    7. Re:waste of money by Theaetetus · · Score: 1
      No but funny you have the same lame attitude and smart ass mouth that seems to think it knows the only truth. You also seem a wee bit defensive about working for a dying cash hog like NPR. When are you gonna try the real world and see if you can hold a job that is not federally subsidized ? Maybe you can break out and go to broadcast school and teach your great store of knowledge. While me and the rest of the .01% find a real news source instead of a predigested government approved stinking pyle like NPR :)

      I see - so me saying that I'm an engineer and not a reporter is automatically being a 'smart ass that seems to think I know the only truth?'
      Newsflash, jackass - I'm an engineer, not a reporter, like I said in my original message. Do I have personal opinions about things? Yes, and so do you. Do I bias the news coverage with my personal opinions? No, as I explained countless times already, I'm not a reporter, I'm an engineer. I don't care what goes on the air, as long as something goes on the air.

      Anyways, I've worked private sector for the past 12 years, in addition to the work here at a non-profit. I've also taught communications at a large university. I've been published in a dozen industry journals and magazines, have written one book and tech reviewed three others. I'm a member of the local Audio Engineering Society's executive board, and a member of the international division's Broadcast & Transmission Technical Committee. Maybe I do know what I'm doing.

      Oh, and I'm 24.

      -T

    8. Re:waste of money by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      well maybe if you had not been SUCH a MOUTHY JACKASS for a wee little 24 year old, I do hope you grow up soon, then maybe everyone else would not have just assumed you were a juvenile deliquent. I believe I stated an opinion, not in anyway derogotory to you, which you then took personal and got very defensive. I'd say by the other responses I'm not the only one to pick up on that. If I've offended you it was not my intention, nor do I think YOU or your job is useless, just the equipment that your PUBLICALLY FUNDED radio station is buying.You have no reporters just settle with picking up the AP wire and leave it at reading the approved government news. If you can't take criticism stay on Yahoo then...Those who can't TEACH :)

      Oh and I was 24 more than 10 years ago...You'll out grow it, even though it seems like forever :)

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    9. Re:waste of money by Theaetetus · · Score: 1
      well maybe if you had not been SUCH a MOUTHY JACKASS for a wee little 24 year old, I do hope you grow up soon, then maybe everyone else would not have just assumed you were a juvenile deliquent. I believe I stated an opinion, not in anyway derogotory to you, which you then took personal and got very defensive.

      Really, now? Let's look at your "opinion, not in anyway derogotory [sic] to me" that I took personally:

      (from your previous post):
      No but funny you have the same lame attitude and smart ass mouth that seems to think it knows the only truth.

      Pause here for a second. "Lame attitude", "smart ass mouth"...
      Not "derogotory" [sic]?

      Let's continue:

      You also seem a wee bit defensive about working for a dying cash hog like NPR. When are you gonna try the real world and see if you can hold a job that is not federally subsidized ?

      And I took that personally? Hmmm... Maybe I had reason?

      Maybe you can break out and go to broadcast school and teach your great store of knowledge. While me and the rest of the .01% find a real news source instead of a predigested government approved stinking pyle like NPR :)

      Now this is the only part where you ended the ad hominem attacks, and I have no problem with this. I mean, I personally don't go around insulting other people's employers (rather than criticizing policies), but that's just me.
      Back to present:

      I'd say by the other responses I'm not the only one to pick up on that.

      Are you on a different /. than me? No one else responded. Just you. Lonely old you. The voices in your head don't get to post, you know.

      Now that's an ad hominem attack. ;)

      If I've offended you it was not my intention, nor do I think YOU or your job is useless,

      See above. It quite clearly was your intention. Then when I responded to your flame with a flame of my own you starting crying foul and whining about how you never intended insult. Yeah, you did, so shut up and take it like a man.

      ... just the equipment that your PUBLICALLY FUNDED radio station is buying.You have no reporters just settle with picking up the AP wire and leave it at reading the approved government news.

      Now that's just wrong - we have 40 full-time reporters, plus over 100 stringers... and NPR has many times that. If you're going to insult someone, check your facts first.

      If you can't take criticism stay on Yahoo then...

      I did take it - and then responded with criticism back. You're the one who obviously can't take it, bucko.

      Those who can't TEACH :)

      In your school system, maybe. In mine, those who do not only work full-time, but teach part-time so as to give students an idea of what it's like in the real world. Maybe where you're from all the teachers are inept. Maybe that explains your posts. ;)

      -T

    10. Re:waste of money by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      You keep quoting the 2nd of my posts, after YOU told me that I was an INSIGNIFICANT part of your world and that I should take my opinions elsewhere... Nice selective memory, try tracing back the posts to the source and consider your first response to my post which triggered this whole pointless exchange.

      And as to my lonely response, try again, there are several in that string, and a link to a Wired article which touches on the SAME line of thought I expressed. Some people must live in a vacuum.

      Are you SURE your not a reporter, you seem to have the same pedantic blind spot that is common on many, if not all domestically reported new stories :)

      No one ever admits to being INSANE, INCOMPETENT, or EVIL, they just are :)

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    11. Re:waste of money by Theaetetus · · Score: 1
      Ah. I see. You simply don't know how to work the 'reply' button. You replied to my reply to that Brian guy, when you really wanted to reply to my reply to you.

      This might help you to better understand 'threads'.

      This could have been cleared up quite easily had you replied to the correct message. This thread, you see has no response to your messages other than mine (separate thread, because it has split from parent post in both posters and discussion topic).

      Now, if you'd like to restart this flame by replying to the proper post, that's fine with me.

      -T

  47. that's capitalism baby! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you heard imperialism is the highest form of capitalism you thought it wasn't true?

  48. What about EMP weapons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Hmm, hasn't the US already stated its intention to use EMP weapons? If so, won't all this high-tech news gathering stuff be rendered useless?

    It seems to me the US miltary isn't really going to want the eyes of the world watching its every move. What an easy way to silence any "uncensored" news. After all, the US has already warned journalists that they won't be able to post their stories from Iraq, and that they might as well go home now.

  49. Are We Killing "Specialization"? by cribcage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Instead of huge editing consoles with separate monitors, reporters are editing their own pieces on laptop computers and then sending them like e-mail back to the network through a satellite Internet connection.

    IMO, this is a point worth talking about. One side effect of technology has often been the erosion of jobs. In some cases, it's been as simple as machines reducing the need for laborers. This is a different case. The technology ("desktop video," for instance) seems to offer more options and flexibility to each reporter. The indirect effect, however, is that the overall product suffers. A reporter puts together his own piece of video. This is cheaper than paying a video producer, but the work is likely of lower quality. Untrained, the reporter cannot equally utilize the software; and more importantly, he lacks the seasoned wisdom of the experienced professional in making judgments -- which angle to use, which clips to cut, which order to sequence, etc. (Not being a professional myself, I don't know precisely how many variables there are. Anyone else want to weigh in?)

    Ask any elder newspaperman, and he'll likely tell you his first complaint about today's journalists: "They can't fucking write." Last Wednesday, the New York Times website's front-page photo was captioned, "Ana Palacio, Spain's foreign minister, told reporters today that a draft resolution on Iraq that it supports along with the U.S. may not be put to a vote to avoid a French veto." No, it's not incomprehensible (contrasted with some examples), but how the hell did that dreck get onto the front page?

    Spell-check software has replaced practicing editors, in many newsrooms. A month or so ago, MSNBC ran an article about Cardinal Law's decision to step down, and it mentioned some Boston politicians who had visited Rome to offer their support. One of the names in the article? FBI "Ten Most Wanted" fugitive Whitey Bulger. Obviously, the writer meant to name brother Billy Bulger, a former president of the Massachusetts Senate. That mistake never would have made it past an experienced, practicing editor. But a spell-checker is indifferent to glaring factual errors, and text entry into HTML is a simple task. So writers end up looking like buffoons.

    "Specialization" was one of the first trends in industrial society. When technology becomes more accessible, "specialists" are no longer needed. And more often than not, this results in (1) more people able to produce the work, and (2) far fewer people able to produce the work at an expert level.

    Pros vs. Cons: Is it better to have more voices in the mix, or for the expert voices not to be drowned out? Is it better to practice reporting and video-editing and HTML now, to be competent at all three later...or is it better to be the best damn reporter, later, who admittedly can't tell RealPlayer from Napster? I'd tell my reporters to leave the video to the engineers, and to concentrate on reporting. When you get untrained amateurs trying to compete with professionals, you end up with Ain't It Cool News.


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    1. Re:Are We Killing "Specialization"? by gilroy · · Score: 1
      Blockquoth the poster:

      One side effect of technology has often been the erosion of jobs.

      Well, I think it can be argued that the actual effect is a redistribution of jobs... Old jobs are replaced by machines/automation/whatever but new jobs open up. Of course, the new jobs require more education, flexibility, etc...


      The actual effect of technological progress, believe it or not, seems to be democratization. Not just political, though that tags along. Power is, amazingly, put in more and more hands. The best example is the gun, which ended strict feudal hierarchies by allowing any old peasant to blow a nasty whole in any bloke even with the bluest of blood. Nukes continue the same trend, as do bioweapons: It used to take a state and millions of people to devestate a nation; now a bunch of thugs can conceivably do it on their day off.


      It's the downside of tech and the dark side of democracy, and we never talk about it -- but we had better start, soon.

  50. Mod parent offtopic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anonymous Coward modding in action!!!

    1. Re:Mod parent offtopic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's got +5, funny. You`ve got 0. That's the most your ever going to get. Anonymous coward whining in action!

  51. Everyone likes Monty Python, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, check this out...

    http://www.observer.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,8 82 459,00.html

  52. Re:Your sig by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 1

    But, "French Fries" aren't French. Reaching way back to my high school French, I think the term in French is, "Le pommme de terre frite." (sorry if I butchered that but I remember the phonetic pronunciation better than the spelling. Hey, its only been 30 some years!). If I recall correctly, the British came up with the term "French Fries" for deep fried potatoes since they associated deep frying with the French.

    So, I kind of find the whole "French Fries" vs. "Freedom Fries" thing humorous since the French are probably asking, "What's a 'french fry?'"

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  53. the aluminum tube documents where forgeries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The aluminum tube documents where forgeries anyways. Of course all the "evidence" against saddam has been proven fake...but the news never mentions that...accept in the 4th page in some small paragraph underneath a giant advertisement or something...

  54. Re:Why satellites? (OT) by Khomar · · Score: 1

    A quick question for someone who might know. This talk of taking out satellites got me wondering if an EMP could be used to accomplish this. Can EMP's travel into space? Do the satellites have shielding against this? It is just an interesting thought especially when one considers how much intelligence and surveillance means to a successful war. Building a device that could generate a blanket EMP would probably be easier to accomplish (or aquire) than targeting with missles.

    Admittedly, I am out of my area of expertise here, so if someone more knowlegable than I could comment, I would greatly appreciate it. I certainly hope that this is not a possibility.

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  55. too bad... by Petrox · · Score: 1

    too bad these networks couldn't also invest in some decent reporters willing to ask the difficult questions of who/how/why/is forsaking the world to depose of an isolated dictator worth it?

    oh well. they'll have plenty of opportunities to do so wherever the U.S. invades next. (Iran? N. Korea? Egypt? Pakistan?)

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  56. Media Sources by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

    On a related note, you might like to read this article in Wired, documenting very much your position, and that of many other US Citizens, it would seem.

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    1. Re:Media Sources by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the news reported on this side of the pond is radically different than in America. It even goes to the point were some news services actively suppress news that makes the war campaign look bad. For instance, if you do a search for the recient news story about America presenting forged evidence that Iraq tried to buy Uranium from Nigar, you will hardly find a mention of this story anywhere on CNN and where they do mention it, it's reported in such a way that makes it seem discredited. Other stories, such as the leaked MI5 report that says there is no link between Iraq and Al Queda, get relegated to the back pages or to a place where people won't see them

  57. Re:Your sig by ackthpt · · Score: 1
    Frites, as I recall and some belgians will back up, were a belgian invention. My expectation is that 'French Fries', as a name, originated in the US, in that time honored tradition of 'getting things utterly fucking wrong', probably by some mixed up journalist at a worlds fair.

    Another great journalistic fuck-up was attributing the phrase, "there's a sucker born every minute", to P.T. Barnum. People willingly question the integrity of politicians, but as Bullwinkle said, "if it's in the newspaper, it must be true."

    And now we have Satellite to bring the errors to you real-time! Yow!

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  58. Re:Your sig by happyhippy · · Score: 1

    The French dont give a fuck. All the wine and french products in the US have already been paid for. So all the idiots are doing are pouring US money down the drain.
    And as for boycotting french restaurants and such like, non-french US citizens work there. By not going they are making the US economy even worse than it presently is as workers are laid off.

  59. Re:Your sig by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 1

    So the burning question of the day is, can we re-train all the liberal-arts majors out there working at McD's to say, "Do you want freedom fries with that?"

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  60. Re:Why satellites? (OT) by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
    Yes, EMP would damage a satellite in space.

    But the reason nobody wants to do that is that expending a nuclear device of the size and power that would fry a single satellite (about 50,000 volts) would not be very cost effective. You can't expect enemy satellites to line up and wait for an EMP blast. Space - even around commercial and military orbits - is largely empty most of the time.

    EMP weapons are meant to be used against population/industrial centers and they are detonated in the atmosphere. Killing a satellite with a single missile hit (kinetic or otherwise) is a much cheaper proposition.

  61. Re:Differences between bidirectional, live, and fa by gottabeme · · Score: 1
    Ten years from now, upload will probably be built into the cameras - no laptop needed, unless editing locally.

    That's already happened. One of the current Sony DV (or MiniDV) cameras has built-in Bluetooth, with a touch-screen LCD that can be used to browse the Web and e-mail movies or pics. So if you had a Bluetooth phone, I guess you could e-mail your footage directly (although slowly, I guess).

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  62. Re:Why satellites? (OT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You use non-nuclear EMP generators, such as the ones used to shoot down Flight 93. Mounted in a C-130, these things will easily be transportable in space by the Shuttle or Buran, or even built in space with components flown in by Soyuz cargo spacecraft.

  63. Yar.... you are absolutely correct by 0x1337 · · Score: 1

    Absolutely... Murdoch and Redstone can fake their enmity in public all they want. But its clearly obvious that the main idea here is to CONFUSE and thus effectively remove the viewer as a person who understands anything and can have a firm grip on reality. THe Mediea lies, conives. It sucks. It literally rots your brain.

    Time for alternative news. Maybe one sponsored by /.?

  64. The Logic of War? by sydlexic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "All right, let me see if I understand the logic of
    this correctly. We are going to ignore the United
    Nations in order to make clear to Saddam Hussein that
    the United Nations cannot be ignored. We're going to
    wage war to preserve the UN's ability to avert war .
    The paramount principle is that the UN's word must be
    taken seriously, and if we have to subvert its word to
    guarantee that it is, then by gum, we will. Peace is
    too important not to take up arms to defend. Am I
    getting this right?
    Further, if the only way to bring democracy to Iraq is
    to vitiate the democracy of the Security Council, then
    we are honor-bound to do that too, because democracy,
    as we define it, is too important to be stopped by a
    little thing like democracy as they define it. Also,
    in dealing with a man who brooks no dissension at
    home, we cannot afford dissension among ourselves.
    We must speak with one voice against Saddam Hussein's
    failure to allow opposing voices to be heard. We are
    sending our gathered might to the Persian Gulf to make
    the point that might does not make right, as Saddam
    Hussein seems to think it does. And we are twisting
    the arms of the opposition until it agrees to let us
    oust a regime that twists the arms of the opposition.
    We cannot leave in power a dictator who ignores his
    own people. And if our people, and people elsewhere in
    the world, fail to understand that, then we have no
    choice but to ignore them."-
    by PETER FREUNDLICH

    1. Re:The Logic of War? by enomar · · Score: 1

      We are going to ignore the United Nations in order to make clear to Saddam Hussein that the United Nations cannot be ignored.

      Not that I have any interest in going to war, but when did the UN say the US couldn't go to war? I was under the impression that a resolution to sanction war was never passed.

      If I'm wrong, please correct me.

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    2. Re:The Logic of War? by sydlexic · · Score: 1

      kofi annan (secretary general of the UN) said it would be a violation of international law.

    3. Re:The Logic of War? by cyril3 · · Score: 1
      In the end the US and UK didn't ask for a vote on the resolution that would authorized action without further reference to the Security Council ie a blank cheque for the US and coalition to move whenever they felt it was time.

      If you don't ask I suppose it means you haven't been told you can't. But the reason they didn't ask was clearly because they the Security Council would not have agreed. And I don't mean the French. I suspect there would have been only 4 or 5 yes votes and 4 veto's and 8 or nine no's.

      hThe resolution is still on the table but will not be pput to the vote by the sponsors.

  65. Nice to see by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    that I am not as alone as a .01 %er that the media mogul above seems to think.

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  66. ObMaxHeadroomRef by gilroy · · Score: 2, Funny
    So, will they be broadcasting Twenty Minutes into The Future?


    Just so long as we get to see more of Theora, er, Control :)

  67. Linus, Linux, Porn or war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I dunno. Probably depends on how strongly he felt about Minix...

  68. copyrights and fictional news by sleepingsquirrel · · Score: 2, Funny

    And I suppose there is one other benefit Fox sees from lying. I can almost hear the laywers saying "We can't copyright facts, but hey, if we make it up, that's fair game for copyright law. Then we can whip out the DCMA and sue someone if they try to report on our lies." Clever. Very clever.

  69. Re:Differences between bidirectional, live, and fa by hazem · · Score: 1

    Well, considering how much the big channels repeat stuff over and over, why not send multiple versions?

    The equipment on the remote end can build a high-quality version, but during the first run, use the "traditional mode" to get on the air right away.

    Once that's done, it can be fixed up a bit and retransmitted using "real-time unidirectional" or "fast".

    In the case of an interview type broadcast, the next step would be to put timing marks in the interview style stuff, so that once the high-quality stuff comes back from the field, it can be spliced in where the original "traditional" signal was.

    This way, you get your stuff up fast, and on the 2nd or 3rd rotation, you have a higher quality broadcast.

  70. Re:Your sig by Hillman · · Score: 1

    I'm french canadian(yep, kicked some nazi ass and didn't surrender) and we call them "frittes" not La pomme de terre frite that would be like calling french fries fried Potatoes. Btw, if french fries==freedom fries does french=freedom. You guys should consider sending back the statue of liberty too.

  71. big investment in war by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I work for CNN and as the article says, "Fox and CNN flat out refuse to discuss the technology they have in place", so I can't say much. But I will say that we have been gearing up for this for almost as long as Bush has been rattling his oily sabres. Those HumVee's look pretty amazing (I'd love to post pictures, but can't -- maybe someone else will). There damn well better be a war, we need to pull in some serious ad revenue to pay for it all ...

  72. MOD PARENT UP by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 1

    Hear hear! What the hell is a well-written comment like this doing in Slashdot? CJR --> Brill --> Slashdot? :)

  73. Not potential war anymore by cranos · · Score: 2, Funny

    For those who haven't heard George Bush has just delivered an ultimatum to Saddam to get out of Iraq within 48 hours or there will be a war.

    I know my feelings on this and I am not going to start a flame war about the rights or wrongs of the impending war. Just letting people know.

  74. SNG by 14ghz · · Score: 2, Informative

    As a SNG engineer myself, I've worked on several of these flyaway systems, one of which is sitting in Qatar (sp?) right now. A lot of networks are using non-live "store and forward" IP-based video filing systems. Video is encoded in a quicktime format, and sent over low-earth orbit satellite telephone/data networks. Its cheaper than getting a 5.5mbps slot needed for live DVB video transmission. Its going to be interesting to see what happens when hell breaks loose and everyone wants to buy satellite bandwidth to go live. I wonder if there will be enough capacity... In the last war CNN had an underground hardline from their hotel in Baghdad so they could do live audio. But now, everyone will want to go live with realtime video, and with affiliate services and networks its going to be a logjam on Intelsat. Bob

  75. paying for editorial by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Is it better to have more voices in the mix, or for the expert voices not to be drowned out? ... When you get untrained amateurs trying to compete with professionals, you end up with Ain't It Cool News.

    I attended a lecture by R. W. Lucky last week, and one of the points he made was that the only thing left to charge for, after bandwidth and processing become practically free, is content. For example, apropos to this topic, well-edited high-quality reporting. Sure, you can have webcams showing every square inch of the planet, but it takes a NYT or CNN to filter that down to something that the average human can digest, given that we all live in real time.

    The New York Times survives because of their extremely high journalistic standards (editorial blind spots notwithstanding). CNN has a massive news ingest operation (trust me :) focused on winnowing it down to Good Reporting and Captivating Video. People will pay for this filtered content, even in a world where the raw data is free and easily available. Or so we hope, otherwise we can all look forward to more adolescent shite like Fox News and Drudge ...

  76. a real speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    If any of you were dissapointed by bush and want to see a really interesting speech, try to watch robin cook's speech in the british parliament where he has resigned his job as a highly paid government cabinet minister in protest against blair's hawkish stance.

    some channels may carry this (e.g. bbc parliament digital channel is carrying it tomorrow morning around 10.30 I think?)

  77. Well, they have about by PotatoHead · · Score: 1

    48 hours.

    Whatever you think about George W. you have to admit, he is not fucking around!

    1. Re:Well, they have about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not fucking around, just mostly fucking up

      The rest of the world, that is.

  78. working net connections by akamoe · · Score: 1

    Considering the likelyhood of being able to find a working net connection (or whatever) in the average war zone...

    War zones ain't nothing! Try and get one in the outer suburbs! ;)

    --R

  79. Mmmm, I should have joined up by Splurk · · Score: 1

    I never knew how much dessert they have over there

  80. Re:Why satellites? (OT) by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
    such as the ones used to shoot down Flight 93

    Mulder? Is that you?

  81. Time for an Audit? by thogard · · Score: 2, Funny

    BSA Hotline: Hello, would you like to report piracy?
    Mr X: Yes, I know some people that don't seem to have thier software licneses.
    BSA Hotline: Can you tell us who's software is involved?
    Mr X: Microsoft, Adobe and others...
    BSA Hotline: They sound like our members. We will arrange for an audit at once. Where are they?
    Mr X: They were last seen at large airbase in central Saudi Arabia
    BSA Hotline: You mean Dhahran?
    Mr X: No, near Riyadh
    BSA Hotline: Sorry. [BSA hotline guy downs a shot]
    [moments latter -- A troop of Marines are pinned down at a very forward position. Their "embedded" photo journalist is trying to get a good shot for the station back home...]
    BSA Dude: We are here to audit your software, can you show me the licneses?
    PhotoJ: What? Can't you see I'm kind of busy right now?
    BSA Dude: We have a warrant.
    PhotoJ: How did you get that here?
    BSA Dude: Do you have the orignals with you? CD's, software boxes, receipts, licneses?
    PhotoJ: They are all back at the office, can't you see theres a war here?
    BSA Dude: I can see you don't want to cooperate
    [BSA dude walks away for a bit of privacy and pulls out his cell/sat phone]
    BSA Dude: Looks like we got one red handed...
    [Pan to a pair of F15's at 75,000 ft, 100 miles away]
    F15 Jocky: TopDog 7, Roger that, bogie is an unauthorized radio source
    AWACS op: Topdog 7 and 8 are authorized to neutralize...
    [back where the action is]
    BSA Dude: [still on the sat phone] I think we should make an example of this one
    [boom]

  82. 2003 tech 1984 covarage by bigmammoth · · Score: 1

    All this tech looks really impressive, but don't count on real coverage affter all this is a war we are fighting to win not to pull out because of political pressure, count on some quality propaganda

    I have seen more with low tech 128kbs video feed because it's from the perspective of those getting bombed rather then those dropping them.

  83. syria by zogger · · Score: 1

    --I am guessing syria next. Both israel and their allies in the US mideast conquering faction want the whole thing, so syria makes the most sense for the next target. Iran (let's assume it, safe bet) and north korea have nukes, they will be tougher. Once iraq and syria are controlled, re supply from the med is a piece of cake, no need to even involve turkey. Iran then is in a pincer, we can stage out of afghanistan and maybe pakistan as well as iraq. They will have to locate the nukes in iran first so they can be taken out first strike. North korea they will ignore as long as possible, because there's no easy to take them without irradiating parts of japan and china and russia. Even those EMP conventions they have won't do squat to 1950s era diesel tech. It would take over lapping neutron bombs, a lot of them, in a first strike,other EMP weapons, lots of conventionals, etc, because one single salvo from north koreas entrenched arty and missile batteries would cause significant damage to the south. Tough nut to crack all things considered.

    Big wild card is, do any of these other target nations have secret treaties with each other? How long will they stand down and watch while one after another get picked off before they decide their only hope is a massive first strike back, using both conventional and as much assymetrical tactics as they can muster? and what's smuggled into the US already, that can be used anytime they get a go signal?

    Some other nations of interest, yemen, libya, sudan. They might even stage a coup in saudi arabia if it looks like the princes are bugging out.

    Another question is, in the medium term what will this do as regards russia and china? If they do nothing, they lose billions, plus much international face. China in particular can NOT afford to lose the cheap and easy access they are counting on to mideast oil for the next decade or two, my guess is they were planning on straight swaps eventually, bulk crude for manufactured goods, eliminate any dollar or euro middle man skim.

    Here's a real wild one I read someplace. Suppose those stories of stolen russky nukes are real, and they managed to get at least a few of them upgraded and fixed so they are functional. Maybe they are buried on approaches to baghdad, to be used as whopper land mines.

    It really just depends, saddam has had decades to think about things, if he decides a samson option is his only option, take as many with him as he can, there's no real way to predict anything. No nation has a complete lock on technology or cunning.

  84. Now that was truly funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even though I think the kindest thing we could do for the Iraqi people right now is remove Hussein from power...

    Man, that was funny. Gonna be humming that for the rest of the day.

  85. Bomb NIGERIA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead of Iraq, bomb NIGERIA!
    This country, well-known for its CAPS-ONLY keyboards, uses their weapons of mass destruction of the Internet e-mail system all the time.
    This has to be stopped to prevent the eventual destruction of the e-mail system.

  86. Re:Differences between bidirectional, live, and fa by benwaggoner · · Score: 1

    Intriguing idea.

    And actually quite possible with current technology. You can start uploading the movie as soon as it is acquired, in parallel with the editing. Once the editing is done, you send up what is basically an Edit Decision List, telling how the final movie should be put together.

    This is trivial with either Avid or Final Cut Pro, both of which can export what's called a "Reference Movie" which doesn't duplicate any local data. It basically is a metafile which says which and where from other files the data should come from. The only unique local data would be audio and any frames that have been changed from the source, like transitions. Alternatively, you could just upload the project file itself.

  87. More good stuff, lower percentage of good stuff by benwaggoner · · Score: 1

    Yeah, this happens with all kinds of enabling technologies, from the typewriter on down. When fewer people are required to make a given work of art, two things happen:

    The percentage of good stuff goes down.
    With fewer copyeditors, or more people graduating from art school, or whatever, more of the stuff that hits the market is stuff that wouldn't have survived the process before. Think of all the crappy movies that are being shot on DV now. How many of those would have been funded if they had cost as much as a 16mm production?

    The absolute amount of good stuff goes up.
    Still, most of the stuff that would have happened before still happens, plus some of the new lower budget stuff actually winds up being pretty good. So there's still more good stuff to watch/read/listen to than ever before, even if the filtering process is more challenging.

  88. Re:Differences between bidirectional, live, and fa by benwaggoner · · Score: 1

    Good points. One of the definite trends is the use of off the shelf PC/consumer equipment in these kinds of high end uses. Bluetooth? Ten years ago, the cable you used to connect a videocamera used for news to a deck was a bizzare things that no consumer would ever have seen. Looked like something that Fox Mulder would have been tortured with. Now, we're talking a cheap thing meant for cell phones.

    Still, Bluetooth doesn't have the bandwidth for even DV video. It'd have to be a more compressed bitstream than that. But the consumer electronic industry has a lot of those in progress to!

  89. Case against war by cruachan · · Score: 1
    I'd highly recommend listening to Robin Cook's speach. There's a real player version available from the BBC's website at

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2858957.stm

    Cook systamatically rips apart the pro-war stance, and in particular wipes the floor with Blair's strategy.

    1. Re:Case against war by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 1
      To be fair on the other side, Jack Straw has been making some good speeches too. Independent of where your sympathies lie, some of the best speeches out of the whole thing have come from Brit Parliamentarians. Note that apparently it is a Brit thing to consult notes but not to read verbatim from prepared texts.

      Is it three counts and you're out? If another minister goes does Blair go?

  90. Laser-guided censorship by C+A+S+S+I+E+L · · Score: 1

    And the US military loves the idea of satellite journalism: after all, it has stated that it will target and destroy journalists whose reporting it does not approve of.

  91. Re:Sodamn needs to be killed by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about just sitting back as Bush turns into Hitler?

    George W Bush is an evil terrorist and must be killed before he kills others.

  92. 19 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    War is peace.

    French fries are freedom fries.

    We have always been at war with Iraq.

    1. Re:19 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And 1984 is 2004

  93. Reporters to be killed by Iraq, U.S governments by John+Bayko · · Score: 1
    Apparently, satellite uplinks are one tool the Pentagon plans to use to prevent independent reporters from covering the war in Iraq:

    http://www.gulufuture.com/news/kate_adie030310.htm

    Motto: "If it's not U.S government approved American News, you don't need to hear it".

  94. Flyaway uplinks by PiratePTG · · Score: 1
    I used to operate a flyaway uplink, like the one shown in pic #3 in the article.... These days, I'm glad I sit behind a desk in an office instead of sitting on a rooftop in Kuwait waiting to get shot/bombed/gassed....

    Was "over there" for Desert Storm.... Staying "over HERE" for this one....

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  95. Democratic? Ha! by milktoastman · · Score: 1

    No, if the security council was truly democratic, we would have had the resolution passed because France couldn't outright veto it. But I wouldn't want a democratic UN anyway. I like the "unfair" advantage the veto power gives us.

  96. War made illegal in 1945 by John+Bayko · · Score: 1
    The Nuremberg trials in 1945 established the international law that wars of agression against other countries, even under the pretext of "pre-emptive strike for defensive purposes" as the Nazis claimed when they invaded Poland and Czecheslovakia, are not legal or justified.

    Last night George W Bush said the Nazis were right, and international law is wrong.

  97. Re:Your sig by JimFromJersey · · Score: 1

    We'll give back the Statue of Liberty when they send back our boys at Normandy.

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  98. what was it you said ?? by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    Baaaaaaaaaaaaa
    Try thinking on your own and seeking other sources for input. You might be suprised, that thing that is holding your ears apart actually has other uses. I seek news from several sources hopefully to allow me to process a more complete view. To depend on the US news sources is foolish and naive in the extreme. That is like depending on Israel to tell the WHOLE story about the middle east conflict...IMPOSSIBLE.

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  99. Wonderful quote, but i can't remember who by... by SolemnDragon · · Score: 1
    When asked who had done the most to promote and advance modern medicine, he replied that it had been gatling. THe question was asked in a medical context, so everyone was quite taken aback as he explained that gatling had in fact invented the gatling gun (more or less), thus making the battlefield damage quota infinitely higher, and producing a genuine need for modern medical advancement....

    needless to say, there's so much wrong with this that i don't even know where to start...

  100. Why spread the carpet stain? by Bucketworks · · Score: 1

    I am considering the difficulty involved with getting, say, a single envelope from Iraq to the United States. Or let's pick something even more trivial-- a screwdriver. Any physical object will do. It's not easy. On a scale of 'easy' to 'hard', I'd say it's more difficult than getting an airplane from Boston to New York. So why are we attacking? By all logic, we ought to be bombing Boston. My question is: "Why attack another, very remote country because we think that it'll sell WMDs to terrorists, when terrorists have already adequately proven that they can use the WMDs in our own country just fine?" e.g. commercial aircraft

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    Bucketworks: a von Neumann School Factory
  101. I've got mixed feelings. by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    On one hand, we should've gotten rid of Saddam the first time around. I agree that he needs to go and something needs to be done about him (and should've been done long ago).

    On the other hand, I don't think that it should be done at the cost of pissing off the entire fucking planet in the process, while ignoring the fact that our economy is in a hole, and the uncertainty about Iraq (Both in general paranoia and in oil prices) is killing what's left of our economy.

    Screw Iraq. Bomb Florida, this is all their fault.

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    retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
    1. Re:I've got mixed feelings. by intermodal · · Score: 1

      Screw Iraq. Bomb Florida, this is all their fault.

      cant we do both?

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      In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
    2. Re:I've got mixed feelings. by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      Sounds like fun!

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      retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
  102. Re:Tubgirl theory #1: The OJ enema by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it's coffee. It's got about the right color and is probably carrying out a little turd with it. Besides you know how strange some Japanese sexual kinks are... no body hair for one thing. And the Japanese like hydrogen beer for another... Finally there is a special "gourmet" coffee that they have in Japan where they make monkeys eat coffee beans and then they dig them out of the monkey droppings to make coffee. I shit you not... my girlfriend in college worked at a coffee shop and the Japanese would always come in to special order this stuff.

  103. Ummm. This is news for FOX? by Tungbo · · Score: 1

    Any network that has to advertise: "Real and Unbiased News" ....

    It's like any discipline that was the word "Science" is not really a science, i.e. political science, social science...

  104. Been a great by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    waster of my time this week, but it is friday and watching the ITN footage of the 'shock & awe' attack ranks as slightly more interesting, but thanks for the diversion. TGIF and again I did not mean a personal attack just a difference of opinions...Cheers

    BTW I've ensured that your comments don't get reparented so there will be no more confusion. There are numerous other ways to view /. beyond the space and time consuming threaded view.

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