NetBSD Celebrates Its 10th Anniversary

Fact: *BSD is Dying by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 12:59 · Score: -1, Offtopic

It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this late point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Re:Fact: *BSD is Dying by istartedi · 2003-03-19 13:11 · Score: -1, Offtopic

easy to use search-n-replace functions, Karma to burn, couldn't resist:

It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *Hussein is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *Hussein community when IDC confirmed that *Hussein market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *Hussein has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *Hussein is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *Hussein's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *Hussein faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *Hussein because *Hussein is dying. Things are looking very bad for *Hussein. As many of us are already aware, *Hussein continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeHussein is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeHussein developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeHussein is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenHussein leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenHussein. How many users of NetHussein are there? Let's see. The number of OpenHussein versus NetHussein posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetHussein users. Hussein/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetHussein posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Hussein/OS. A recent article put FreeHussein at about 80 percent of the *Hussein market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeHussein users. This is consistent with the number of FreeHussein Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeHussein went out of business and was taken over by HusseinI who sell another troubled OS. Now HusseinI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *Hussein has steadily declined in market share. *Hussein is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *Hussein is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *Hussein continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this late point in time. For all practical purposes, *Hussein is dead.

Fact: *Hussein is dying

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BSD? by Pres.+Ronald+Reagan · 2003-03-19 13:00 · Score: -1, Troll

In case no oen else noticed, BSD stands for Berkeley Systems Distrobution; Berkeley as in the University of Berkeley, a school that harbors communitsts and terrorists. I have first hand experience with that school as former governor of Californai, and let me say that it is in a sorry place right now.

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Re:BSD? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:09 · Score: 0

First you should get your facts straight. BSD stands for Berkeley Software Distribution.

Second you should learn how to spell, jackass. What the fuck are "Distrobution", "communitsts", and "Californai". I don't think you've had any first had experience with a school of any kind.
Re:BSD? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:20 · Score: 0

give the guy a break, he's 150 years old and has alzheimers. GET SOME PRIORITIES!

First! by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:01 · Score: -1, Offtopic

My FIrsst!

10th anniversary! by sulli · 2003-03-19 13:01 · Score: 2, Funny

and 9 year, 364 day anniversary of dying

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Re:10th anniversary! by asparagus · 2003-03-19 13:13 · Score: 3, Interesting

And may it keep on dying in the future.

NetBSD runs on 17 or so processor architectures and 50+ platforms. A pretty impressive feat, especially when you consider all the massive changes that have made it into the industry in the past ten years.

Kudos to the Net and other BSD teams. Keep that code clean and portable!
Re:10th anniversary! by flacco · 2003-03-19 13:36 · Score: 0

Yaaay! Someone go dig up BSD, trim its hair and nails, and prop it up in the corner while we have a birthday party!

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Which is older by bsharitt · 2003-03-19 13:02 · Score: 0, Interesting

Which is older, NetBSD or FreeBSD.
What was NetBSD like 10 years ago and how did Linux compare at the time?

Re:Which is older by shamilton · 2003-03-19 13:24 · Score: 3, Informative

NetBSD is slightly older. FreeBSD 1.0 was released in November of 1993.

I'm told Linux was comparable back then, too.

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Re:Which is older by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:25 · Score: 0

Free.
Net & Open are forks, for idelaogical and functional reasons.
Linux was none-existance.

Fucking upstart, it should merge with on of the older, more muture BSDs.
Re:Which is older by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:27 · Score: 0

Within first 10 posts and redundant odd.
Re:Which is older by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 16:09 · Score: 0

Yea because there doing SOOOOO WELL. All 5 of them that is.
Re:Which is older by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 17:49 · Score: 0

Free.
Net & Open are forks, for idelaogical and functional reasons.
Linux was none-existance.

Fucking upstart, it should merge with on of the older, more muture BSDs.

Net is older than Free and Linux was around back then.
Linux and 386BSD were started at roughly the same time. NetBSD grew out of 386BSD because the NetBSD developers decided that 386BSD not moving along quickly and its maintainer didn't maintain it. The FreeBSD guys clung to Jolitz for a few extra months but finally split from 386BSD. The FreeBSD guys didn't join NetBSD because to do so would be to admit that they were wrong six months prior. OpenBSD was a fork of NetBSD because the NetBSD guys kicked Theo out for being an asshole.
Re:Which is older by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 18:24 · Score: 0

NetBSD. See:
http://www.netbsd.org/Misc/history.html

NetBSD was a more full featured "UNIX" at the time, as was 386BSD 0.1 (which it was based on). I used both Linux & 386BSD 0.1 at about the same time, and was unimpressed with the "14 character" file name limit in Linux, and the flaky file system provided to recitify that (extfs ?).

who cares by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:03 · Score: -1, Troll

Yeah, who cares ? Windows wins anyways.

Request: by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:03 · Score: -1, Troll

ping pumm.org -l 50000 -t, in your friendly MS-DOS promt. Thank you.

NetBDS by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:04 · Score: -1

Hi does anybody know if Net BSD has been ported to this yet?

*/Linux is dying... by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:05 · Score: -1, Troll

...it's just dying much slower than *BSD.

Birthday sale at linuxjewellery.com by HeroicAutobot · 2003-03-19 13:06 · Score: 5, Informative

I'm not affiliated with them in any way (I swear!), but I noticed that the Linux Jewellery Store is having a BSD Birthday Sale.

If you're looking for Beastie to add to you (non-virtual) desktop, this is probably the time to get one.

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Re:Birthday sale at linuxjewellery.com by Grizzlysmit · 2003-03-19 20:24 · Score: 1

The Linux Jewellery store? now I've seen it all, but does the Jewellery run Linux?
Now I can get my girlfriend tux ear rings, or should I get a girlfriend first?

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I have a question by soorma_bhopali · 2003-03-19 13:08 · Score: 3, Interesting

Linux has also been around for 10 years. And just like NetBSD there are various other open source alternatives to linux. Why then has Linux grown so much popular in the corporate world? Is it because of GPL or because Linux is superior to these other alternatives?

Re:I have a question by grub · 2003-03-19 13:27 · Score: 1

When Linux was first coming from the womb, the *BSD folks were embroiled in a lawsuit regarding AT&T code (IIRC). The uncertainty of the *BSD code's 'freeness' & future along with the timing of Linux's initial release were perfect for Linux.

I still love *BSD, though. :)

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Re:I have a question by Jungle+guy · 2003-03-19 13:34 · Score: 5, Informative

When NetBSD started, back in 1992/1993, there was a huge lawsuit against a company called BSDI (that used the BSD code to develop a proprietary operating system and called it Unix). They were sued by USL, a spun-off company formed by AT&T that had rights over Unix. To make a setlement, professors from University of California developed what they called 4BSD - an operating system without the files that were proprerty of USL. FreeBSD an NetBSD had to resynchronize their trees with 4BSD to avoid lawsuits.
The project lost precious time in its early infancy, while Linux progressed at warp speed (people say that Linus was REALY active those days). Linux was also seen as a haven for possible lawsuits as it was writen from scratch, even tough it was technically inferior in the early days. But, as the community around it grew faster, soon it gained momentum and critical mass. Its use of GNU software was also important. The whole story is in the book Open Sources.
Re:I have a question by cbv · 2003-03-19 13:34 · Score: 1

Why then has Linux grown so much popular in the corporate world? Is it because of GPL or because Linux is superior to these other alternatives?
Because the developers on both sides come from a different "corner".

While the various *BSDs were originally develop'd at Universities, the intention was learning how to do it, and how to do it right -- a more academical approach.

On the other hand, Linux was and is develop'd with a "get the word out" attitude. That is not to say it wasn't and isn't done right, though, of course.
Re:I have a question by evilviper · 2003-03-19 13:37 · Score: 1, Insightful

Why then has Linux grown so much popular in the corporate world?

Well, Linux is popular because it is a media darling. I don't have any definate answer as to why that is, but companies hear about Linux so they use it, or invest in it for some media attention of their own.

You might as well ask why Windows is more popular than Mac OS. People get Windows because everyone else has Windows, and because there are more programs for Windows... There are more programs for Windows because everyone uses Windows... It's quite a vicious cycle.

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Re:I have a question by Billly+Gates · 2003-03-19 14:16 · Score: 0, Offtopic

Here is a more scientific study about why Linux is the best os out there.

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Re:I have a question by trb · 2003-03-19 14:34 · Score: 2, Informative

To make a setlement, professors from University of California developed what they called 4BSD - an operating system without the files that were proprerty of USL

You're confusing 4BSD with 4.4BSD. 4BSD came out in 1980 and was the original paging UNIX for VAX. 4.4 was the post-lawsuit one, and came out in 1994.
Re:I have a question by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 15:03 · Score: 0

Once you get past the fact that *BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. *BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities?
The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.
Re:I have a question by Jungle+guy · 2003-03-19 15:07 · Score: 1

You are absolutely right. I was refering to 4.4BSD (more precisely, 4.4BSD-Lite), not the old 4BSD.
Re:I have a question by Quill_28 · 2003-03-19 16:15 · Score: 2, Insightful

OK this will be modded as flamebait but I have the karma.

Ask people why they use Linux over BSD.

1. Better hardware support(true)
2. More software available(true)
3. Everybody else is(media influence)
4. Easier(maybe)

Ask people why they use Windows over Linux

1. Better hardware support(true)
2. More software available(true)
3. Everybody else is(depends)
4. Easier(true)

I have nothing against Linux, Windows, or FreeBSD. I use Linux at work, FreeBSD and Windows at home.

It seems to me the FreeBSD makes a server than Linux, but Linux is a better workstation. Linux is getting much better(server stuff) every year. Alot like Windows is getting much better at server stuff each year.

But in the end I think the media and the early BSD license issue are the big reasons. Also, BSD seems a little more of a closed circle while Linux is a free for all. Maybe developers found it easier to involved with.

These thoughts are fairly random, take them for what they are worth.
Re:I have a question by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 17:30 · Score: 0

Yes, that's might be the reason for Yahoo switching to Linux... Duh.

As you well known, Yahoo still uses FreeBSD and I doubt it will one day switch to Linux. Why? Because they employ competent people who don't get scared in front of a BSD, unlike many "admins" out there.
Many companies are switching to Linux or choosing Linux because with it they don't have to deal with more expensive professionals, instead they can throw any idiot who only knowns linuxconf and rpm in front of a server and hope he will be responsible and competent. *_That's_ why so many linux servers are invaded by script kiddies. At least, being a reasonable-quality software like linux is, the services usually don't get down, and that's more than enough for 90% of the "Desinformation Technology" people.

And I guess you've never even tried a BSD. Or better, you might have tried but got to scared to see a C shell by default and no linuxconf to aid you.
Re:I have a question by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 17:56 · Score: 0

Linux has also been around for 10 years. And just like NetBSD there are various other open source alternatives to linux. Why then has Linux grown so much popular in the corporate world?
Momentum, critical mass.
NetBSD lost a lot of market share early on by spending its effort on making a rock solid operating system rather than an easy to use installer. Many more people were able to install Linux and didn't know that it worked much less well. Then critical mass and momentum arguments take over.
Re:I have a question by Nickus · 2003-03-19 20:07 · Score: 1

Because of the UNIX lawsuit in the beginning of the 1990s. I remember reading once that Linus said that if the *BSD would have been stable and available back when he started he wouldn't have bothered. So you can blame the whole thing on Novell or whoever owned UNIX(tm) back then.

Then again, I could be mistaken.
Re:I have a question by __past__ · 2003-03-19 20:13 · Score: 2, Funny

That study is off-topic, it doesn't even mention BSD. Here there are also objective comparisons between Linux and BSD that you should consider before setting up your next server.

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Re:I have a question by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 21:11 · Score: 0

Wow. Yahoo. One whole site. Man, what a win for BSD!

If BSD is so great, and Yahoo! run it...why does Google (A much larger cluster), run Linux?

Maybe the reason businesses use Linux is precisly because linuxconf and RPM's. You know, easy to administrate? Things like that help save money, save downtime and keep things secure. By your own admission, BSD sucks at all those things.

Now get back to your C shell and stop brooding over the lack of jobs for your "skills".

To celebrate... by DoctorPhish · 2003-03-19 13:09 · Score: 2, Funny

...Everybody port it to a new platform!

I think I'll port it to my turntable.

Re:To celebrate... by Znonymous+Coward · 2003-03-19 13:57 · Score: 1

I'm already running it in my mouse and emprt Dr. Pepper bottles.

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Hrm by B3ryllium · 2003-03-19 13:10 · Score: 5, Funny

My toaster STILL can't run NetBSD. They need to hurry up the development of it.

Also, my coffee machine, microwave, and toaster oven all could use a little NetBSD loving.

Re:Hrm by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 14:24 · Score: 0

My toaster STILL can't run NetBSD. They need to hurry up the development of it.

I'll say. I've been running Windows XP on my toaster for months.
Re:Hrm by vesamies · 2003-03-19 22:52 · Score: 2, Funny

Generally running NetBSD requieres a prosessor
which has MMU. This is needed for its
multiprocessing and security cababilities.
I don't think your toaster has a enough
advanced CPU to run NetBSD. But you can try
put the boot floppies in your toaster and
see what happens. It could well be one
of the supported platforms.
Re:Hrm by B3ryllium · 2003-03-19 22:59 · Score: 1

thx 4 teh help ;-)

I actually run FreeBSD on my Server ... haven't ever tried NetBSD. I only hear good things about it, though.
Re:Hrm by overbom · 2003-03-20 12:58 · Score: 1

This goes without saying, but you should check the systems ported page for your appliances' porting status.

http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/

We all know how much of a bear it can be to image a boot disk on a piece of bread. They're working on it, give them a break.

PK Unzip CmdrTaco's pants by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:11 · Score: 0

That's your next request, right?

GET SOME PRIORITIES! by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:11 · Score: -1, Troll

Its 01:12 UTC, the deadline for Iraq has passed, with war starting at any moment. AND you have the balls to talk about the 10th aniversery of netbsd? GET SOME PRIORITIES!

Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES! by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:19 · Score: 0

haha
Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES! by grub · 2003-03-19 13:30 · Score: 1

You should read Cowboy George's St. Patrick's Day Speech.

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Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES! by sladelink · 2003-03-19 16:57 · Score: 1

Priorities? Good idea. Let's get NetBSD running on Iraq!

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Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES! by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-20 06:09 · Score: 0

I no longer reply to chickenshit ACs and suggest you do the same.

Really?
Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES! by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-20 06:11 · Score: 0

Let me guess, you typed in cnn.com and ended up here?

let's rejoice and celebrate by xutopia · 2003-03-19 13:11 · Score: -1, Troll

Let's rejoice and celebrate by bombing another country today!!!

Re:let's rejoice and celebrate by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:24 · Score: 0

h@h@h@ 1r@qi5 = w1nd0w$ u5ing f@g0rz lololololololol 5@dd@m = gh3y |3u54 0wnz0rz j00!!!!! lololololololololol

Black Spawn Dungeon by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:14 · Score: 0

Stop camping my tuskers fuckers!

wtf by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:15 · Score: -1, Flamebait

what is with these people?? Haven't they thought of the concept of MERGING their project with something else?? Like FreeBSD, or Linux???

having a million variants is a WASTE OF TIME!

Re:wtf by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:21 · Score: 0

you are sooooo smart, you should do some programming, oh wait that takes SKILL.

so does trolling by the way, evidently lacking in you
Re:wtf by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:22 · Score: 0

Why have Linux, BSD is OLDER!

DICK
Re:wtf by Quill_28 · 2003-03-19 16:03 · Score: 1

having a million Linux distributions is a waste of time also according to your logic.
Re:wtf by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 22:14 · Score: 0

Unlike the other assholes who replied above, I agree.

My granpa use to tell me: Son: when you have one stick you can break it but when you have multiple sticks together you can't...

It's a waste of time that Mat Dillon, Theo'de Rat and whoever is responsible for netlsd are working separatly instead of joining forces. Plain stupid. (actually, I really liked Mat Dillon in "The Ramble-Fish", but now I think he's getting stupid)
Re:wtf by TheRaven64 · 2003-03-20 02:19 · Score: 2, Insightful

You seem to be suffering from the Linux myth of 'One OS to rule them all'. There is a lot of code flow between the *BSDs, but they are all different because they all aim at different things.
OpenBSD is highly secure, nothing beats it on routers / firewalls.
NetBSD is ultra-portable, and runs on almost anything.
FreeBSD is what Linux want to be when it grows up. A powerful, yet easy to use, well documented UNIX, which works great on servers (AFAIK it still has the best TCP/IP stack of all the free *NIXes) and workstations (I dual boot FreeBSD and Windows on this machine).
Forks are only bad when they are aiming for the same goal and splitting developer time. When they are aiming for different goals and sharing code when their goals coincide, they are a Good Thing(tm).

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Are they girls at these parties? by schoolsucks · 2003-03-19 13:16 · Score: 1, Funny

What kind of parties are these? I can imagnin hoards and hoards of nerds wearing t-shirt and denim shorts drinking Mountain Dew, all talking about computers.

Re:Are they girls at these parties? by JDWTopGuy · 2003-03-19 13:45 · Score: 1

It's a geek version of the Oscars, except the jokes aren't funny (beowulf clusters, anyone?) and most people at the party will be fully dressed.

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Re:Are they girls at these parties? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 14:08 · Score: 0

She might show up
Re:Are they girls at these parties? by RLiegh · 2003-03-19 14:45 · Score: 3, Interesting

She might show up

If I had mod points, they'd be yours.
Re:Are they girls at these parties? by LizardKing · 2003-03-19 21:41 · Score: 1

The German NetBSD birthday party will end up at the OperationMindfuck event on the 22nd of March. Check out http://www.operationmindfuck.net/. Plenty of girls, alcohol and loud industrial music.

Chris
Re:Are they girls at these parties? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-20 04:06 · Score: 0

German? But I'm not into scat.

Count me out!
Re:Are they girls at these parties? by thorpej · 2003-03-21 14:38 · Score: 1

Well... the party in San Francisco is being held at the 21st Amendment (a nice restaurant and brewery down by Pac Bell Park). We're going to have some great food, some great beer, and eat a NetBSD birthday cake.

Basically, a group of friends who have known and worked with each other for a decade now are going to get together and have a great time.

It's a been a quite a past 10 years ... and I personally am looking forward to hacking NetBSD for the next 10!

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Let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:16 · Score: -1, Troll

The worst terrorist attack in recorded history occurred in September 2001, followed by a WAR against Islam in Afghanistan and now we're about to be involved in ANOTHER war against Islam in Iraq, and you people have the gall to be discussing the anniversary date of the start of the NetBSD project???? My *god*, people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!

The bodies of the thousands of innocent civilians who died (and will die) in these unprecedented events could give a good god damn about obscure science fiction, your childish Lego models, your nerf toy guns and whining about the lack of a "fun" workplace, your Everquest/Diablo/D&D fixation, the latest Cowboy Bebop rerun, or any of the other ways you are "getting on with your life" (here's a hint: watching Cowboy Bebop in your jammies and eating a bowl of Shreddies is *not* "getting on with your life"). The souls of the victims are watching in horror as you people squander your finite, precious time on this earth playing video games!

You people disgust me!

Re:Let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 18:00 · Score: 0

The worst terrorist attack in recorded history occurred in September 2001, followed by a WAR against Islam in Afghanistan and now we're about to be involved in ANOTHER war against Islam in Iraq, and you people have the gall to be discussing the anniversary date of the start of the NetBSD project???? My *god*, people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!
Some people care about some things, other people care about other things. Go and be digusted by yourself.

That's a good question... by Penguin+Follower · 2003-03-19 13:17 · Score: 1

... and one that I don't have an answer for.

I have linux here at home and at work. Yet, as of right now I'm waiting on my first set of OpenBSD 3.2 CD's that I ordered from their site. *The real kicker: I'm to set up OpenBSD servers at work!*

Actually, I'm quite happy: I get to learn something new. :)

Re:That's a good question... by grub · 2003-03-19 13:24 · Score: 2, Insightful

I'm waiting on my first set of OpenBSD 3.2 CD's

Owww! Lucky you! Your first virgin install of OpenBSD may take a try or two, but the sheer joy and sanity of the system once you're done will be worth every moment.

Enjoy it, I know I do.

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An Open Letter To The Hollywood Bunch by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 13:31 · Score: -1, Offtopic

Ok let's just say for a moment you bunch of pampered, overpaid, unrealistic children had your way and the U.S.A. didn't go into Iraq.

Let's say that you really get your way and we destroy all our nuclear weapons and stick daisies in our gun barrels and sit around with some white wine and cheese and pat ourselves on the back, so proud of what
we've done for world peace.

Let's say that we cut the military budget to just enough to keep the National Guard on hand to help out with floods and fires.

Let's say that we close down our military bases all over the world and bring the troops home, increase our foreign aid and drop all the trade sanctions against everybody.

I suppose that in your fantasy world this would create a utopian world where everybody would live in peace. After all, the great monster, the United States of America, the cause of all the world's trouble would
have disbanded it's horrible military and certainly all the other countries of the world would follow suit.

After all, they only arm themselves to defend their countries from the mean old U.S.A.

Why you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical, idiotic, spoiled mugwumps. get your head out of the sand and smell the Trade Towers burning. Do you think that a trip to Iraq by Sean Penn did anything but encourage
a wanton murderer to think that the people of the U.S.A. didn't have the nerve or the guts to fight him?

Barbra Streisand's fanatical and hateful rankings about George Bush makes about as much sense as Michael Jackson hanging a baby over a railing.

You people need to get out of Hollywood once in a while and get out into the real world. You'd be surprised at the hostility you would find out here. Stop in at a truck stop and tell an overworked, long distance truck driver that you don't think Saddam Hussein is doing anything wrong.

Tell a farmer with a couple of sons in the military that you think the United States has no right to defend itself.

Go down to Baxley, Georgia and hold an anti-war rally and see what the folks down there think about you.

You people are some of the most disgusting examples of a waste of protoplasm I've ever had the displeasure to hear about.

Sean Penn, you're a traitor to the United States of America. You gave aid and comfort to the enemy. How many American lives will your little, "fact finding trip" to Iraq cost? You encouraged Saddam to
think that we didn't have the stomach for war.

You people protect one of the most evil men on the face of this earth and won't lift a finger to save the life of an unborn baby. Freedom of choice you say?

Well I'm going to exercise some freedom of choice of my own. If I see any of your names on a marquee, I'm going to boycott the movie. I will completely stop going to movies if I have to. In most cases it
certainly wouldn't be much of a loss.

You scoff at our military who's boots you're not even worthy to shine. They go to battle and risk their lives so ingrates like you can live in luxury. The day of reckoning is coming when you will be faced with the undeniable truth that the war against Saddam Hussein is the war on terrorism.

America is in imminent danger. You're either for her or against her. There is no middle ground.

I think we all know where you stand.
What do you think?

God Bless America

Charlie Daniels

Re:An Open Letter To The Hollywood Bunch by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 15:00 · Score: 0

America is in imminent danger. You're either for her or against her. There is no middle ground.

I am against "her."

And today, much of the world is as well.

Another birthday? by LeoDV · 2003-03-19 13:51 · Score: 0

After altering sigs because of RMS, what should we do now?

"It's daemon not demon damnit!"?

Re:Another birthday? by RLiegh · 2003-03-19 14:08 · Score: 2, Funny

Look up trivia and then flame each other on /.?
In otherwords: SOP?

And thus by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 14:19 · Score: 0

Why netbsd is betters

Holy Fuck! by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 14:21 · Score: 0

You have been brainwashed to the core! This is fascism at work, creating brainwashed trolls such as this, who can't even remotely think for themselves, just regurgitate what the corporate media and the government tell him too. Sad, very very sad.

One answer? by /Idiot\ · 2003-03-19 14:39 · Score: 1

people say that Linus was REALY active those days

That's because there was no slashdot to keep them from their coding :-)

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/dev/Idiot/

*BSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 14:44 · Score: -1, Redundant

It is official. Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Parent was moded "Funny"? by /Idiot\ · 2003-03-19 14:46 · Score: 3, Insightful

Dying? We are all dying my son :-)

NetBSD is an excelent OS. Some may prefer Linux, some may perfer NetBSD. Me, I use both!

NetBSD might not be *your* particular brand of vodka on i386/x86 arch, but compare the progress of NetBSD on non-i386 archs to Linux on the same arch and, well, NetBSD is the ONLY real choice to make my uVAX more than just a space-heater!

Dying, definately not. NetBSD is not an example of how great an open source OS can become.

While I am here, a big thanks to all the NetBSD developers, where ever you are!

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/dev/Idiot/

Still the most portable by Dr.+Manhattan · 2003-03-19 15:13 · Score: 3, Informative

"Of course it runs NetBSD."

Really true. I just started playing with it a few weeks ago, sticking it on an old Mac SE/30. It's now a very capable webserver, more than able to saturate my pathetic DSL upload bandwidth. (Watch, now the poor thing melts from a Slashdotting.)

Linux support for Mac68K seems to have stagnated; the 2.4 kernel still doesn't compile for 68K Macs. Sure, they're not common anymore, but Linux is supposed to scale.

It may not have every whiz-bang feature that Linux has, but portability is important, too. Almost any random hardware with an MMU runs NetBSD, and runs it well. I love Linux, and I run it on my PCs and at work, but NetBSD made way more sense for this project. It was very easy to set up, too. Configuration is... different from Linux, but I can't say it's worse. I'm not finding it too hard to learn.

Congrats to them, and best wishes for the future. They do good work.

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PHEM - party like it's 1997-2003!

Re:Still the most portable by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-20 01:50 · Score: 1, Informative

I have it running on a Sparc 2 pizza box as my firewall. IMHO ipf is alot easier to install, configure, and maintain than ipchains. (Yes, I know ipf runs on Linux as well)

I have it running on a DEC 3000/ with sendmail for my mail server. It puts it's pants on every day and delivers the mail without a hiccup. I did a single OS install and I've never had to do an upgrade or patch.

I used to have it running on a pmax (one of those old Ultrix boxen) for a workstation and it had quite acceptable performance but there just wasn't enuff software available. I agree that Linux makes a more pleasant working environment for a desktop.

My #1 reason for running NetBSD on these servers is that I know absolutely everything that is going on on them. When I do a 'ps ax' on my firewall I get about 15 processes and I know exactly what they're doing and why they're there. I also know that most of the executables on the disk are there for a good reason and are going to be useful. On Linux I'm constantly wasting tens of dollars worth of disk space on things that I'll never use :-)

-- Les
Re:Still the most portable by CoolVibe · 2003-03-20 03:49 · Score: 1

Not only mac 68k's, but also sparcs (not the ultra's) are poorly supported by Linux at the moment. I'm glad I can still run NetBSD on my rickety old sparcstations.
Has anyone reliably got a 2.4 kernel to work on a sun4m lately?
Re:Still the most portable by ChristTrekker · 2003-03-21 10:54 · Score: 1

I've been doing the same, partly out of SE/30 nostalgia, and partly to play with a BSD to gain broader experience. I've found the community to be very helpful so far.

What are the stats on your machine? What are you doing with it?

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Constitutionally Correct
Re:Still the most portable by Dr.+Manhattan · 2003-03-21 14:25 · Score: 1

It's a Mac SE/30 (of course), but the ROM in those came on a SIMM. And the very first few IIsi's had a ROM SIMM, too. I took the ROM out of a IIsi, put it in the SE/30, and now it's 32bit clean without MODE32 or any of that. (If someone wants to buy a IIsi ROM, or an entire IIsi, let me know...)
I bumped it up to 32MB RAM (I'm still amazed that a consumer machine in 1989 could handle up to 128MB!) and stuck in a 4GB drive. It's got a 2X external CD-ROM (that can read CD-R media, but not CD-RW, oh well),an Ethernet card (10Base2/AUI, I need a converter to get 10BaseT) and a 14.4 modem.
I've got NetBSD going on it, and the web server stuff is working well. (BTW, ssh v2 takes, like, five minutes to get going; ssh v1 'only' takes ~30 seconds.) For the sheer heck of it, I'm going to get pppd going on the modem so I'm my own dialup ISP. (Someday it'll come in handy, I'm sure.)
Take a look, the URL's right after my name up there.

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PHEM - party like it's 1997-2003!
Re:Still the most portable by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-21 23:58 · Score: 0

Actually it doesn't run on any Linux that is even halfway recent. Which sucks, as I'm forced to admin a linux machine.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jaymzh666/ipf/IPFlinu x. html#1

BTW, nice post. You summed up why NetBSD is the perfect OS.
Re:Still the most portable by ChristTrekker · 2003-03-24 02:53 · Score: 1

Sweeeeet! I'll email you about that IIsi ROM SIMM. I'm using MODE32 on my SE/30 now, but I can see it might be a benefit to move that from software to hardware.

I bought a 1.2 GB drive off a swap list, and got NetBSD installed on that while I had 8 MB. Later I also found an eBay auction for RAM, so I'm at 68 MB now. I wonder if I should have bit the bullet and gone all the way to 128. It is pretty amazing, because as recently as 1997 Apple was shipping machines with a 128 MB ceiling. I also bought a 10bT card on the swap list, so I'm ready to go whenever I get the time to set up the network.

You should really say something about the machine itself on your site. A picture would be nice. :)

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Constitutionally Correct

Parties? by xchino · 2003-03-19 15:29 · Score: 3, Funny

Parties are being held in various cities around the world...

I don't think 10 guys doing a shot together over IRC counts as "parties in various cities",

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.

Re:Parties? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 17:24 · Score: 0

I don't think 10 guys doing a shot together over IRC counts as "parties in various cities", Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
Huh?! Parties are actually being held around the world, including USA, Japan, Australia, Germany, etc. What's stupid is yours.
Re:Parties? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 17:44 · Score: 0

I don't think 10 guys doing a shot together over IRC counts as "parties in various cities"
Actually, we tend to coke it up at clubs around here at least.
Re:Parties? by Phishpin · 2003-03-19 17:56 · Score: 1

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid" is just his sig.

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-phish

NetBSD Rulz! by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 15:38 · Score: 0

NetBSD Rulz!

Since I'm the only person in Kansas who uses NetBSD,
guess I'll have to get drunk by myself on Friday and
call that my party. Oh well, just like any other night. :)

What 's that smell? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 16:05 · Score: -1, Troll

Did something die?

It smells like something is dead.

OT: Can anyone tell me the origin of BSD is dying? by cappadocius · 2003-03-19 18:10 · Score: 1

I'm a newbie around here. As long as I've been a reader, "BSD is dying" has been an old joke. So can anyone tell me: what is the origin of the BSD is Dying troll.

Was it one piece repeatedly posted to stories (like the Father O'Day or whatever that thing is that keeps getting posted on Apple stories) or was it someone's sig, or just lots of posts?

If it was just one repeated post, or a sig, does anyone have a copy of the thing they can post?

Thanks.

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omnia tua castra sunt nobis

Best kept secret by felix9x · 2003-03-19 19:18 · Score: 3, Insightful

NetBSD is realy great many admins just love it. The system is rock solid and its not unusual that it woudl be running for years without a reboot. Many admins use it for things like mail, ftp, web servers internaly in companies and no press no hype is generated but the OS keeps on working doing its job.

Elegy for *BSD by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 19:51 · Score: -1, Troll

Elegy For *BSD

I am a *BSD user
and I try hard to be brave
That is a tall order
*BSD's foot is in the grave.

I tap at my toy keyboard
and whistle a happy tune
but keeping happy's so hard,
*BSD died so soon.

Each day I wake and softly sob
Nightfall finds me crying
Not only am I a zit faced slob
but *BSD is dying.

Re:Elegy for *BSD by dick+johnson · 2003-03-20 01:32 · Score: 3, Insightful

Died?

Think again.

Try Mac OS X.

It's the biggest selling Unix operating system on the market today (better than four million copies per year)

It's also a BSD unix.

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- dj

der Pepper? by scubacuda · 2003-03-19 21:14 · Score: 1

Look at your Dr Pepper bottle...there is no period in Dr :)

Haiku: by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-19 22:19 · Score: -1, Troll

*BSD is dying
*BSD will soon be dead
R.I.P. *BSD

Timeline by Anonymous Coward · 2003-03-20 00:59 · Score: 0

Full timeline of BSD relases can be found here http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/share/mi sc/bsd-family-tree?rev=1.69&content-type=text/x-cv sweb-markup

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