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Trigun Coming to Cartoon Network
MoeMoe writes "Well I was just watching Cartoon Network and it looks like Trigun will begin airing in just a couple of weeks. The CN website gives a brief description here" Trigun is among my favorite anime series. It gets a little crazy by the end, but for the most part it's pretty lighthearted fun, with some great action. CN sure seems to love the Anime Sci Fi Westerns. I wonder if they'll carry some of the fluffier stuff besides Tenchi. Love Hina would be a fun choice. Or Excel Saga.
I mean really. I think the cartoon network would get a lot more viewers if they didn't air stuff that everyone's seen a million times before.
For those that havn't seen it, though, Trigun is very cool.
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The funny thing about trigun is that the first 12 episodes are almost all filler and the last 12 are all the content. you could skip the first 12 and still totally understand the whole story.
So if you dont like it at first hang in there...the sci-fi story that kicks in around ep 12 is really cool.
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I used to watch anime all the bloody time, read fan translated mangas, etc. etc., but I just eventually lost intrest. Perhaps seeing all these great anime shows on local television will rekindle my intrest. Hopefully the voices won't be horrible - that's one of the things that turned me off back in the day.
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(For those who don't know, Love Hina is considered a "harem" anime, where all of the girls at one part or another are interested in the main character, who is usually a loser. I consider it a "fan service revenge" anime, because as soon as there is fan service, someone ends up paying for it, usually the aforementioned loser main character. I still enjoy the series, however.)
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What I don't understand is how these shows are targetted at adults, yet still have many of the restrictions that children's shows have. I mean, look at a prime time show on FOX. Probably a lot more violent and with more sexually suggestive dialogue/scenes than an anime, yet anime aired in North America still gets heavily edited - even for trivial things like someone drinking water instead of beer.
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How is it that Trigun's arrival on Cartoon Network gets more press than Dilbert's? Oh wait... one has merit.
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The series starts of quite wacky and goofy, but gets darker and deeper as the story progresses. Its easily one of my favorite series. --CmdrTaco.
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Excel saga has some innuendo that cartoon network (if they had it) might filter out it, which would ruin the whole feel of the anime. I wish they'd do oh my goddess, or go with NG-Eva.
Oh, and it is going to be dubbed... bleh... not worth spending your time on anyway.
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Probably because when people hear "Cartoon Network," the initial reaction is that whatever is shown will be appropriate for children.
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Watching the "We Make Hackers Obsolete" Ad is enough light-hearted fun/joke for me. They should air that AD on Cartoon Network. Even my 5 yr old Linux Saavy newphew will have a good laugh.
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The first few episodes introduced vash, the kind of man he is, the world he lives in, and a lot more. You can't just jump in to the next 14 because you miss out on some basic info related to the series. Besides they were entertaining... my favorite eps are the first few.
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I have to say that Trigun is almost perfect for Cartoon Network: Most of it is light, with a character who's a really good guy, unlike many anime heroes who can be a bit morally ambiguous (for the unititiated: Vash doesn't believe in killing, and doesn't do so until the last few episodes).
There's not much that will need to get cut, rither. I can't think of any nudity that will need to be painted over. I'm pretty positive neither Meryl or Milly ever take a trip to the public baths. There's some drinking, but I'm pretty sure CN lets that slide.
They might even be able to air this one on primetime after a while.
Truthfully, Excel Saga wouldn't work on CN unless they included the AD-Vid Notes from the DVDs. Too many jokes just don't make sense, or aren't even recognized to the majority of Americans with little or no knowledge of Japanese culture and media.
Besides, since it would likely end up running in English, it presents a bit of a problem. While Kotono Mitsuishi's Excel is simply excellent, Jessica Calvello's performance was quite good. HOWEVER, since she was replaced by Larissa Wolcott (I believe by the 5th DVD), the English dub has been knocked down a few points in my book. A decent dub almost became a sub-standard dub, not necessarily due to Ms. Wolcott's performance, but the simple fact that the roles had been switched so late in the series.
Love Hina, on the other hand, is an even worse situation when you consider it running on CN. I think they'd have to break their rules and run it in Japanese, as the English dub is quite awful, even without being compared to the Japanese track. People like David Lucas and Wendee Lee (both of whom did excellent dubbing jobs with Bebop) should've avoided this project like the plague. Hm...then again, The Black Death does seem quite appetizing when compared to watching a single episode of that in English... =P
There's an interview with a writer/producer for Toonami here that discusses the topic.
Cowboy Bebop is the one exception (among what I belive CN shows). Several of it's (better) episodes weren't even televised in Japan, because they were considered too violent.
And even that is aimed at young adults.
In Japan, voice actors actually have some prestige. It's a job people want to be. I can think of a few, like Megumi Hayashibara, whom is an idol out there. People love her! She's Ranma, Lina, or Lime. She's a million other characters, and she's a goddess!
Why is it when these great shows come here, they try to do a quick voiceover, and just get it out. I've been fansubbing for a long time now, and I cringe when I hear dubbed anime. There are very few shows that I've seen that I can even think of watching in english. Ranma 1/2 for one, wasn't terribly bad, but I don't have a clue who the english voice actors are.
I guess I want to know why such a great form of entertainment, and a job thats so honored where the entertainment comes from, gets the back burner here. Is it because they're trying to gear it for children and they feel that children don't need the emotion or force that normally becomes the character, or is it just that they want to save money and time by hiring someone off the street to quickly say the lines and send it to production?
What do you think?
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Trigun is probably my favorite series. The show has all I look for: good characters and character development, silliness, seriousness, empathy, sympathy, apathy [all the pathies :)] and a good flowing storyline. I will admit that I thought this series was going to be nothing but
overexagerated expressions and childish antics. I was way wrong. I watched the entire series in two nights (I watched about 17 or 18 episodes on the second night alone.) This series totally engrossed my attention. (The dub is excellent!)
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You'd have to be a pretty fucking stupid parent to assume that the shows would be appropriate for small children
You mean sort of like the parents who buy their kids grand theft auto, because they just have no fucking clue... these parents are the ones who make me wonder if parenthood training and licensing would be worth it.
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Hayashibara Megumi is actually regarded as THE prestige seiyuu to have on board a voice cast in Japan. She is the equivalent of June Foray or the late Mel Blanc and Daws Butler in America...she's more than a seiyuu, she actually represents the whole craft in Japan.
My favorite Hayashibara performance is Nuku Nuku. She conveys the sense of both a cute and cuddly character and her inner strength. Nuku Nuku is at once a kitten and a tiger. If you don't believe me, buy the DVD and listen to the Japanese track with English subtitles. Second favorite performance would be the otherworldly Ayanami Rei from Shin Seiki Evangelion. Least favorite would be Faye Valentine from Cowboy Bebop...Megumi-san can't do hard-boiled. Faye has to be both tough and world-weary. It's just not her forte.
The problem with the whole craft of voice acting in America is that radio drama is almost completely dead here. That's the source of people like Blanc, Butler, Foray and Stan Freberg. If, as some have suggested, the lost art of radio drama could be revived using the Internet as a low cost means of distribution, texts from places like Project Gutenberg as a potential source of material, and open source audio software as a means of production, maybe there is hope for the future of radio drama.
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They just weren't targeted to American children, those poor fragile things.
I think I know you in person. Or someone like you. Are you one of those humourless bores who refuses to watch anything funnier and more action-filled than Wings of Honneamise?
And before you relaliate with some snarky comment about possible DBZ fandom on my part (which is untrue), let me say that I also appreciate some of the less well known gems of anime. Grave of the Fireflies and Azumanga Daioh come to mind.
Offtopic, but I think Grave of the Fireflies should be required viewing in high school history classes throughout the world.
It's about a tormented super anime hero, who despite his vast skills and power can't always defend those around him even if they happen to be main characters (see Wolfwood).
He can't even live up to his own standards (see Legato.) Which gives it a nice ring.
The gungho guns and their interplay with each other is pretty cool to.
As far as the moral/educational goes. *shrug* Well if you're going to be watching anime based on that critera you'd best go watch Hamtoro.
(If nothing else it'll give you the message not to smoke crack.)
I agree that I dislike the whole uber powerful superman genre (see GI Joe, et al.), but only if the physical conflict is the point. In Trigun, though, the physical contact is almost never the point. Any time Vash is involved, in fact, the physical confrontation is more for comic relief or some other device. For me, Trigun was about the attempts of a man to live a moral life in a morally compromised world. Whether or not he could defeat his enemies was only really in question twice (both the Hornfreak and Knives had him on the ropes).
Also, if you didn't see any character growth in there, my gawd. Meryl, Millie, Wolfwood, and a host of minor characters all show a great deal of growth. Vash, too, battles an, at times, intense inner struggle that comes to a head near the end. It was the inner world that was important in Trigun, the outer world more often than not provided a needed rest from the intense emotional action.
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For the love of pete! Not CN again!!
They ALWAYS butcher things up.
Not to mention I don't like to watch ANYTHING dubbed other than the original language (at least in english anyways; I can deal with American movies dubbed in other languages....). Why can't they use the SAP mode to air both english (for those loonies) and Japanese (true anime connoisseurs) and subtitles in the closed-captioning block of it? Of course, like all things out of our control; if it makes sense, it ain't happening.
O well....at least I have my Trigun (R2 - Japanese) DVDs which cost me an arm and half a leg and my Excel Saga (R2 - Japanese) that cost twice that...plus my limited edition Berserk (R2 - Japanese) DVD set which cost me a part of my soul and my Those Who Hunt Elves I&II + extra fan-bonus DVDs; yup, you guessed it, the rest of my soul. Awww....I love my R2 DVDs. Speaking of which, I should borrow my friends Chobits (R2) DVDs and watch them over and over.
I kinda want to get Slayers (1st one, NEXT, and TRY) on DVD (though I have TRY and part of NEXT on LD back home), but lack of funds prevent it (and no...no R1 anime dvds for me).
And awww...the joys of being bilingual. I've gotta remind myself to thank my parents.
It's Japan. They have different moral values. We don't live in one big culture. Live with it. But keep reading, I've got more to say that might interest you.
Firstly, I haven't seen a lot of anime, as I'm fairly selective and only watch the good stuff. But of those I've seen I haven't had a problem with the sexuality, and that includes Love Hina (although I found the bouncing boobies in the original Gundam Seed opening a bit much. But hey, I'm a legs man). I even watched a couple of episodes of GTO at a local anime club. Meh. It helped that there was an interview with the series creator before the showing; it allowed me to see the intelligence behind all the "perverted" stuff going on.
Artists explore taboo in their artwork. We've been doing it forever, and that's part of what makes art interesting. It doesn't mean that the artists are pervs/murderers, it's just an expression, it's art. Live with it, it helps make the world go round.
I don't find the anime's exploration of sexuality offensive. But I do find Hollywood's obbsession with violence very offensive. I generally steer away from action movies, but I've watched a few. Die Harder was great. Assassins was excellent (though not popular).
But there was one movie, I don't remember the name anymore, some Snipes flick (you know, typical "ONE MAN must SAVE US ALL"), where the gore was just over the top. The setting wasn't a gory movie, he was an agent of some kind, and, while violence was expected, gushing blood and having the bad guys get killed by steel beams smashing through their windshield and heads, and their car exploding, while Snipes looks back with a "serves them right" face, is just too fucking sickening. Everything in the movie was like that. Shit like that just gets rated R, where it's basically a porno of action movies.
And why was Assassins not popular? The common cry was, there was not enough killing. I, who did not care for such things, thought it was fantastic. Cool and calculated, moody, with character development - something rarely found in the cookie-cutter characters of today's Hollywood movies. Perhaps the movie was not that great; I was young then and my tastes have grown. But lamenting it because there was not enough killing is stupid, but obviously, that was what the market wants. And assassins don't kill people left and right, they take targets down one at a time. You're not going to find a lot of blood in such a movie.
Some artists in a culture are not as smart as others. Some, while in a culture that loves watching violence, will end up making crap like that Snipes movie. Some, in a culture that finds sexuality taboo, will make perverted crap.
The Japanese created Street Fighter. In response, Americans created Mortal Kombat, which was very popular in North America (heh, more dull wombat. ah, the memories. I hated that game, too offensive). Japanese like boobies. Americans like blood. Which is better? You can't honestly answer that.
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Well, I don't think there is any chance Cartoon Network will use the subtitled version... but is it my imagination or is dubbing getting better overall (perhaps not in Trigun, but overall). I remember when Akira first came out dubbed in English and half the voices sounded like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles... then the DVD came out recently with much better voice acting.
I used to prefer subtitles because the dubbed versions always sounded like cheezy crap, but I think now it's getting a bit better. Part of me still prefers subtitles, though, since you can hear what the original actors were trying to emote.
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Where does this idea that anime == no social life come from? I mean, there are a lot more girls into anime than, say, computers, percentage-wise. I met my girlfriend because she recognised me from an anime convention my friend took me to. I like anime and all, but she's really into it.
Sure, I know a few really socially-inept anime fans, and saw a frightening amount of fat guys dressed as sailor moon at the last convention, but that was more than off-set by the cute 20-year-old girls in schoolgirl outfits or skimpy sci-fi uniforms and bright pink hair. Most of the anime fans I've met are pretty cool people overall, and don't typify the stereotype at all.
Also, as an aside, I think posting on slashdot automatically takes away a person's right to deride others about not having a social life. Maybe I should just leave you to your attempts to feel better about yourself.
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If CN were really shrewd (which I am becoming more and more convinced they are not), they would license a show that a) actually had more than 26 episodes so i don't have to watch asteroid blues 298347923874 times, and b) is not continuity-dependent, so burgeoning anime enthusiasts don't need to sit in front of out-of-order reruns pretending to understand what's going on
Odd... they imported Dragonball / Dragonball Z, each of which have far more than 26 episodes--and they show them in order.
Continuity is NOT the problem here, cubyrop. The problem is them stretching their anime resources too thin for too small a source of good import material. *sigh*
Y'know, that seems to be the way everyone looks at Trigun. They either think the first 12 episodes are filler and the last 12 are badass, or they think the first 12 are hilarious (a la The Slayers, etc.) and the last 12 are too heavy and unbelievable. I swear, I'm the only person who enjoys the whole damned series.
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Trigun, of all things? Trigun!
Even if they do this on Adult Swim only, it's going to get butchered. Admittedly, Love Hina would get it even worse, but still, Trigun's going to go through the freaking shredder.
Most anime just plain shouldn't be shown on TV at this point in time. Not until the culture is ready to take it uncut, or at least with minimal editing (I don't count dubbing as "editing" so much as necessity, given that relatively few people would be willing to watch this stuff subbed on TV). And that, I fear, isn't going to be for a long time.
What would be left of Excel Saga after the censors got to it? Apparently the last episode is so bad we're not even going to watch it at the more formal meeting of the Anime Club I go to. They would have to take out a whole character for sure. And several of the subplots throughout the series wouldn't be "fit" for the US audience.
Also, in my opinion its not really a very good series. Its feels kind of recycled after a while. We're on episode 22 or 23 and the last good episode we watched was the one with the attacking pandas, and that episode was in the single digits. Granted, there are still some funny moments here and there.
Now, Witch Hunter Robin, thats a good series. Perhaps CmdrTaco wouldn't like it since he apparently isn't a big fan of plot (I assume when he said "kind of crazy" he was refering to actual plot development). It starts out being a police-but-with-witch's anime (with some pretty neat episodic plots) but at about episode 15 or so it starts getting into the over-arching plot thats pretty nifty.
My favorite anime is Jungle wa Itsumo Hale Nochi Guu. You can BitTorrent it at AnimeSuki.com. Its really funny in a unique way. Don't be quick to judge it as as yet another "WTF Anime", I definitedly started liking it the more I saw of it (though I had more or less decided to watch the whole thing after seeing the intro). Theres good character development, none of the characters are as superficial as they first might seem. Depending on its time slot, they might not have to censor too much, but who knows.