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LCD Screens Double as Speakers

An anonymous reader writes "The BBC has a story about a company who has developed an LCD screen that can produce sound as well. They claim that the sound quality is quite good, and compare it to average multimedia computer speakers. Also NEC is making and selling computers that use this technology in Japan. Hardware integration like this should make for some interesting appliances in the next few decades."

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  1. That's crazy! by austinij · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It seems like an awesome idea, but how does it handle stereo? And I'd love to hear a wav file or something of how it sounds...

    1. Re:That's crazy! by ThePretender · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd love to hear a wav file or something of how it sounds...

      Well that would most certainly let you know how *your* speakers sound... but would tell you nothing about how their product sounds.

    2. Re:That's crazy! by PseudoThink · · Score: 4, Funny

      Stereo is accomplished in a single-monitor setup via synesthesia...they watermark the display image with an almost undetectable waveform representation of the second audio channel. Sort of like "joint stereo" in mp3s. But people with two monitors get true stereo. But I might be crazy...

    3. Re:That's crazy! by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 4, Funny
      Multimedia is so 1995....

      Or, if you're a Mac or Amiga user, so 1988...
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  2. Obligatory Simpsons quote by visgoth · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can see the music!

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    1. Re:Obligatory Simpsons quote by mattsucks · · Score: 4, Funny

      DAMMIT!!! Every time I see a story that will let me show off my l33t Simpson's-quoting sk1lz, someone beats me to it!!! Don't you people ever sleep???

    2. Re:Obligatory Simpsons quote by rograndom · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.

    3. Re:Obligatory Simpsons quote by syle · · Score: 5, Funny
      Don't you people ever sleep???

      "Oh boy, sleep! That's where I'm a Viking!" - Ralph

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  3. Appliances by DaemonGem · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh boy, soon my microwave will be playing techno, and my keyboard will be outputting a crummy rendition of Tchaikovsky. I can't wait.
    -Dae

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  4. Image integrity? by Mikey-San · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm no LCD scientist (though, I can tell you how they're made, thanks Apple Service Training for Losers with No Fscking Life), but it seems to me like heavy low-frequency sound coming /through/ the LCD would alter its color accuracy, at the least.

    Granted, I have to put a good amount of pressure on my LCD to make it change color deeply, but don't you think if heavy low-frequency sound came out of it, something would happen, at least occasionally? What about the almost paper-thin glass sandwiched in the LCD layers?

    I dunno. Seems to me like sound was made for speakers, not a display medium.

    Does anyone out there have more info about the crap I just wrote? :-)

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    1. Re:Image integrity? by Musashi+Miyamoto · · Score: 5, Informative

      It sounds like these speakers are similar to Martin Logan electrostatic speakers, and the screen will not produce anything close to low-frequency sound. The screen will likely require a midrange/woofer to reproduce the full spectrum of sound.

      Electrostat speakers are typically transparent like glass, but held between two screens to allow the sound to travel. The article says the company claims the monitor has a "universal sweet spot", but that is probably corporate marketing talk for "no sweet spot". Most panel based electrostat speakers have a very very tiny sweet spot, and you need to be sitting perfectly between the two speakers.

      From howstuff works:

      These speakers vibrate air with a large, thin, conductive diaphragm panel. This diaphragm panel is suspended between two stationary conductive panels that are charged with electrical current from a wall outlet. These panels create an electrical field with a positive end and a negative end. The audio signal runs a current through the suspended panel, rapidly switching between a positive charge and a negative charge. When the charge is positive, the panel is drawn toward the negative end of the field, and when the charge is negative, it moves toward the positive end in the field.

    2. Re:Image integrity? by Entropy_ah · · Score: 4, Funny

      The screen will likely require a midrange/woofer to reproduce the full spectrum of sound.

      No dude, they'll just build the woofer into your keyboard. Though I fear it will turn into some kind of high-tech ouija board when you crank up the Dr. Dre.

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  5. Nice One by jolyonr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great news - because we all know how expensive speakers are and how cheap LCD screens are! Imagine the cost savings... Jolyon

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  6. Re:light music? by ceejayoz · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's just an acrylic panel over the front of the display, so it shouldn't affect the lifespan of the LCD at all.

  7. Re:*bzzt* wrong by Jaycatt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It would be nice for travelling presentations or training, however. The lightweight LCD is already useful for that. Not having to carry around speakers would also help with the travel weight.

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  8. Not New Tech... by FosterSJC · · Score: 5, Informative
    First, obviously, the sound isn't coming from the light or the screen or whatever. There is a thin acrylic sheet that is used as a sounding board:

    The technology works by placing a thin acrylic panel over the computer display. This is attached at the edges to a couple of exciters.

    These moving coil motors make the acrylic screen vibrate to produce the sound.

    This is the same tech, essentially, that drives those flat-panel computer speakers, and the Soundbug over at thinkgeek.
  9. Vibration and delicate electronics... by Dutchmaan · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...two great tastes that go great together!

  10. laptops by Snuffub · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This could be great for the laptop market where "average" multimedia speakers would sound alot better than those tin cans.

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  11. A paradox? by ignoramus · · Score: 4, Funny

    These screens get thinner, yet they pump up the volume

    :P

  12. Re:light music? by valkraider · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wouldn't the vibration *right on* the LCD screen do something over time? Especially at high volume. It seems like - other than laptops - this is kinda strange to marry the two techs...

  13. Re:i don't know what's happening by Snork+Asaurus · · Score: 5, Funny

    "you can't just casually mention quasi-invisibility cloaks without posting a link"

    He did post a link, but he used the <quasi-invisible> tag.

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  14. Smooth Fonts? by GreyPoopon · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, will the vibrations do pretty much the same thing as anti-aliasing and make all of your fonts look smooth around the edges? ;)

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  15. real world application by digifuzz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    i could see this really taking off in the hand-held market, where the machines are really small and would benefit from having less components to have to cram into their small encasing..

    ~ fuzz

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  16. The answer is... it doesn't. by pr0ntab · · Score: 5, Interesting

    NXT argues its technology has major advantages over conventional speakers. It says its SoundVU technology distributes frequencies evenly across a room, producing what audio buffs call a universal "sweet spot".

    I read that as it's a speaker that fills the room with a single channel of sound. If it was in stereo, then it wouldn't be room filling if you could discern the channels. You could probably deal with it if the screen created two virtual speakers by superposition using exciters on opposite sides of the monitor. But then the sweet spot would be very small, aimed at the person sitting a few feet away. Definitely not room filling.

    Plus, they go on to say how they intend to use it in mobile phones and PDAs. All single channel devices when used without headphones.

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  17. A Moment In History by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Funny
    Scientist #1: "You got your liquid crystals all over my average multimedia speakers!"

    Scientist #2: "Well, you got your electromagnets all over my active matrix organic composite screen prototype!"

    *blink blink*

    In unison, reeling with implication: "Whooooooooaaa...."

  18. Fills a non-need with a nifty non-solution by djh101010 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sure, it's interesting, but it seems like another inappropriate use of technology. Just because something is possible to do, doesn't mean it's worth doing.

    Just like the combined TV/VCR units, sure, it's nice when both functions work well, but if either function takes a dive, you're left with something that's less useful than either would have been if bought separately.

    Maybe it'll be fine for people who don't particularly care about sound (and/or visual) quality, but I think this is another time when discrete components are the appropriate way to do it. It's not like the world has been sadly lacking for want of a speaker-monitor.

    One question: what happens when you turn it up to 11?

  19. flawed business model? by zaqattack911 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Firstly, aren't LCDs on their way out for cheaper, better quality, and thinner OLED displays?

    Once those are out, there is no need for a backlight, and I seriously doubt people will want to waste space putting in a crappy ass "sound membrane" (that's what I call it) inside.

    Yes they are right, this sort of speaker does create a universal "sweet spot" because it distributes the sound evenly over distance but there is a shitload more thats needed to produce good sound. The freq range of the mambrane alone is complete ass, so they would have to sell you subwoofers integrated with computer case to rattle around your HDs harmoniously :)

  20. That's nothing by MoeMoe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hearing through visual devices is cool but seeing through audio devices is cooler!
    If you want something really cool try this:

    Get this (right click link >Save As), look through your headphone jack in your cdrom, click extracted file at the same time. Enjoy! *Attention Mods* File was checked virus free, please imagine what could happen before rating.

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