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AMD and Fujitsu Spin Off Static Memory Giant
prostoalex writes "AMD and Fujitsu will form a new memory company. While corporations typically form new spinoffs every time you turn around, this one is different, claims ZDNet, since it looks like AMD will be splitting into two companies, one dealing in the microprocessor market, another in memory."
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AMD has had a history of not just working with processors, such as flash memory. It would only seem logical that AMD would expand revenues through market expansion.
And another step forward to Microsoft-Amd-Intel-Fujitsu-Hp-Compaq-AOL-Warner-S ony jjoint, which is obviously to come :)
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AFAIK Flash-AMD subsidizes currently a lot of AMD's processor business, so current part of AMD that makes Processors seems to be confident in it's future to take this step.
And remember that AMD is much-much more than Athlon/Hammer, they make lot's of different processors.
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I juse hope amd doesnt end up like this kitty.
AMD is a big player in the CPU market, but there are a lot of companies doing memory chips, isn't there? So, why on earth are they doing it? I hope it's viable for them , because they can lose a lot of money if they're not careful.
iMHO.
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There are more indepth articles about this here and here. The latter article discussed the motivation for the move in a little more depth:
"This is only going to help AMD and Fujitsu become as stronger competitor and move up in market position," said Krewell. "They are in better shape to challenge Intel because they appear as one stronger brand, rather than as two lesser brands."
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..they can just manufacture space heaters. I mean, the infasructure is already there so it comes naturally.
And what I feel is a better article.
Yeah, the way amd is acting, it kinda reminds me of this magic eye picture.
The next few days were spent by Kantos Kan in teaching me the intricacies of flying and of repairing the dainty little contrivances which the Martians use for this purpose. The body of the one-man air craft is about sixteen feet long, two feet wide and three inches thick, tapering to a point at each end. The driver sits on top of this plane upon a seat constructed over the small, noiseless radium engine which propels it. The medium of buoyancy is contained within the thin metal walls of the body and consists of the eighth Barsoomian ray, or ray of propulsion, as it may be termed in view of its properties.
This ray, like the ninth ray, is unknown on Earth, but the Martians have discovered that it is an inherent property of all light no matter from what source it emanates. They have learned that it is the solar eighth ray which propels the light of the sun to the various planets, and that it is the individual eighth ray of each planet which "reflects," or propels the light thus obtained out into space once more. The solar eighth ray would be absorbed by the surface of Barsoom, but the Barsoomian eighth ray, which tends to propel light from Mars into space, is constantly streaming out from the planet constituting a force of repulsion of gravity which when confined is able to life enormous weights from the surface of the ground.
It is this ray which has enabled them to so perfect aviation that battle ships far outweighing anything known upon Earth sail as gracefully and lightly through the thin air of Barsoom as a toy balloon in the heavy atmosphere of Earth.
During the early years of the discovery of this ray many strange accidents occurred before the Martians learned to measure and control the wonderful power they had found. In one instance, some nine hundred years before, the first great battle ship to be built with eighth ray reservoirs was stored with too great a quantity of the rays and she had sailed up from Helium with five hundred officers and men, never to return.
Her power of repulsion for the planet was so great that it had carried her far into space, where she can be seen today, by the aid of powerful telescopes, hurtling through the heavens ten thousand miles from Mars; a tiny satellite that will thus encircle Barsoom to the end of time.
The fourth day after my arrival at Zodanga I made my first flight, and as a result of it I won a promotion which included quarters in the palace of Than Kosis.
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I had traversed perhaps two hundred miles in a little less than an hour when I descried far below me a party of three green warriors racing madly toward a small figure on foot which seemed to be trying to reach the confines of one of the walled fields.
Dropping my machine rapidly toward them, and circling to the rear of the warriors, I soon saw that the object of their pursuit was a red Martian wearing the metal of the scout squadron to which I was attached. A short distance away lay his tiny flier, surrounded by the tools with which he had evidently been occupied in repairing some damage when surprised by the green warriors.
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What is it like in the future?
First, the entire world probably will be united using this method.
Then, the following events will occur:
How cheap is air? Air is priceless. Without air, we cannot survive.
If air is priceless, why don't we make our food priceless? If food becomes priceless, people no longer need to work 8 hours a day like slaves.
So in the future, farming will be done in high tech sky scrapers. This 80 stories high sky scraper is a giant robotic farm house. >>>
Everything will be fully automatic. Robots will farm for humans. The cost of farming will be extremely low. 1 acre of land can produce millions of tons of food each year.
Each year, American farmers spend 7 billion dollars on insect killing chemicals. But once we start farming in the sky scrapers, farming will become indoor. That means they no longer need to spray insect killers. Vegetables will also become cleaner and safer for us to eat.
Inside of the farming sky scraper looks like this. >>>
Everything is done by robots. Humans no longer need to farm by themselves. Robots and computers will take care of farming for us. Temperature can be adjusted inside the sky scraper to keep the plants warm under any weather condition. Each sky scraper can produce millions of tons of food each month. The cost of producing 1 ton of food is no more than producing just few pounds of food that has been farmed by human hands. So food will become extremely cheap in the future.
The green things are the plants.
This picture shows a robot arm
handling the plants.
If the entire world is incorporated in the future, there will be no more war. No more war means we don't have to pay tax to fund the military anymore. Then we can pay tax to fund a new global program. This global program allows the government to build these farming sky scrapers all over the world. The food produced by these sky scrapers will be distributed to the poor people who cannot afford to pay for food. Food stamps will be issued to the poor which allows them to collect food from these sky scrapers.
Living space will also become cheaper as the buildings become higher and higher.
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You don't need to have children anymore because you stay young forever and you don't need your children to take care of you when you get old. So lots of people will decide not to have kids. People don't need to have kids before they become 40 year-old because now they can have kids when they become 300 or 400 year-old. So Immortality Device actually slows down human population growth. Hopefully, population will stop growing so that everyone will live a comfortable life.
In the future, everyone will have debit-credit cards. Paper money and coins will die out. Out-door merchants will all carry pocket size credit card processors. If people don't use paper money, 95% of the crimes will disappear because there will be no more bank robbers and grocery store robbers. No more drug dealers because nobody dares to buy or sell drugs using credit cards. If your friend wants to borrow money from you, you can transfer some money into his account using your cellular phone. If 95% of the crimes disappear, no more power hungry politicians and no more bossy policemen. There will be more freedom to the people.
NEXT -- How to unify the world and bring global peace?
Straying slightly off the beaten path does anyone know if they have any plans of how big they can make CF cards? I know there is a the IBM Microdrive which is upto 1GB but I would think the CF would be cheaper looking at the current prices of 512Mb pieces
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The Flash business is the (relative) cash cow that's keeping the rest of the company afloat. No way it's going to split.
That's a neat trick -- include an outrageous-but-believeable-to-newbies statment in your story submission, get it posted! I'll have to try that.
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Would the Windows PCs be lemons then?
Great! Now i can get dirt cheap memory, that requires 70W of power and 20 heatsinks!
Although there are filesystems available for embedded systems that distribute writes to flash as much as possible, flash drives will wear out a lot faster than their microdrive counterparts in write-intensive applications.
Okay... I'll do the stupid things first, then you shy people follow.
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AMD make flash. Nowhere in the article does it talk about Static RAM.
:-)
When talk exceeds the bounds of the talker's knowledge, there ought to be a segfault
How wonder what relationship this has with Siemens/Infinion. Siemens cooperates with Fujitsu and is very successful in the German market. And Infinion is a Siemens-spin-off that produces memory as well...
Hey, will they be the leaders in the future of Flash?
The new company, which will include all of both companies' flash memory operations, will be headed by Bertrand Cambou, who was recently promoted to senior vice president at AMD, the newspaper said, adding that the company would have one combined sales force.
Hey just think, if they got Sony in there memory sticks would be everywhere!
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And another step forward to Microsoft-Amd-Intel-Fujitsu-Hp-Compaq-AOL-Warner-M a&Pa's_Country_Cookin-S ony jjoint, which is obviously to come :)
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
newer Athlon XPs put off more heat per area than the sun
;)
I didn't believe you so I actually tested it. And you're right! My Athlon 2600 XP box puts off WAYYY more heat than my Ultra 80!
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AMD's Flash business has always contributed to the bottom line enough to help cover losses during R&D years like this one and last year. With them seperated, the Fujitsu/AMD combination will be able to loan the money to the AMD processor company and list it different on the Balance sheet. This will help them both in the accounting since it will be accounts receivable instead of just play lack of revenues overall.
This is a good move for AMD. I am really excited to see the future of AMD.
we'll be fortunate if we get out of this cessspool with any memorIEs/chips, etc...
lookout bullow. the daze of the Godless greed/fear/death based payper liesense hostage ransom stock markup bullshipping industrIE, is dissolving into coolapps.
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check with yOUR creator, before making any decisions that will affect all of us from now on.
Fujitsu and AMD had previously been working together ina joint venture as FASL (Fujitsu AMD Semiconductor Limited) at a plant in japan with a combined workforce (though mostly japanese). They recently finished a new fab in the same town and FASL had already been doing contract work for Siemens. Since FASL had been such a success, I guess they decided it would be a good idea to spin off their remaining assests in flash memory and model it on FASL as a single flash juggernaut.
I wonder what they will do for the AMD shares. (I don't care about Fujitsu : I don't have any ;) )
Irrelevant news and morons using moderation to mod down what they disagree on. 2018 resolution: so long.
Once the division is complete, the blood bath that is their processor division will become even more evident. How long before the shareholders demand that AMD leave a business that is throwing away their money (and always will) and concentrate on a business that actually makes money.
While the processor industry will be poorer for it, there's no reason why the shareholders should have to foot the bill just so we have competition that lowers Intel's prices and makes their processors faster.
Well, I don't think AMD never had any experience with DRAM, and Fujitsu, though has, was never a big player (big ones are Micron, Samsung, and Infinion, Hynix is dying so they don't count anymore). (Slightly off-topic - in term of SRAM, SONY is a huge player - who would have thought they were a big semiconductor company as well as consumer electronics?)
Same time - few realize the tanglement between AMD and Fujitsu. They have been doing ventures together for a long time now - a few years back they put together a joint plant - it wasn't a great success as I remembered it, though
Did y'all know Fujitsu is *the* largest computer / IT stuff manufacture in Japan?
Lastly, AMD flash is going toward Mirror bit, while Intel is going toward multi-level storage. Honestly, intel version has more expandability (to a point - storing 1024 levels per cell is just impossible) - so we will see how that works out.
Just random stuff I had in mind when I read the article - thought people might find them useless but nontheless mildly interesting.
I personally wish them well, but I do wonder what would happen if they go into DRAM. They would either get slaughtered (lack of experience), or some DRAM manufactures would just go off and die (even more, for Hynix, or severely cripple, like NEC, Mitsubishi, etc who are small players in the DRAM area). DRAM market simply won't hold this many people (already seen so many consolidations as of the past).
My life in the land of the rising sun.
This is an optimistic interpretation of what's going on. The pessimistic interpretation is that they expect their processor unit to tank totally, and they don't want it to take down their flash memory works, so they're splitting it off. It's like the Enterprise-D separating the saucer section when the warp core in engineering is about to breech.
There are some points to clear up here.
Yes, AMD and Fujitsu have been in cahoots for a long time, but it was a really great venture rather than the poor one you hint at. They created FASL (Fujitsu-AMD Semiconductor Limited) which ships the lion's share of the world's flash. Several more fabs have been started as part of the FASL venture. Iw was, and is, a great success.
Intel has been in multi-level cells, but the practical limit on it is the four-level cell they have now. They have just recently gotten that to work reliably. AMD's Mirror Bit cell is new, and obviously has only a four-bit cell, but when combined with the mirroring and multi-level, you've got a 16-bit cell. Evil.
AMD will never, ever go into DRAM. It's a loser. Prices fluctuate way too much and you can't make much money at it. Their strength is in flash memory, and they know it.
This is both funny _and_ insightful!
AMD is going to report yet another huge quarterly loss in a few days. Their losses have been so large that they are out of money and will have to declare chapter 11 bankruptcy, probably by the end of this month. The only question left is what will happen to their Opteron CPU. Probably they will continue to operate their fab (if the lenders will permit that) on a small scale for a few months while they look for a buyer for the Opteron business which will probably go to Intel who will then shut it down.
I can't figure out where the benefit is for them, unless AMD's processor divison is expected to lose money (spinoffs are great for this -- you can saddle them with debts from the other company. Coca-Cola used to regularly do this.)
May we never see th
Probably they will continue to operate their fab (if the lenders will permit that) on a small scale for a few months while they look for a buyer for the Opteron business which will probably go to Intel who will then shut it down.
I doubt Intel will be interested in buying anything but patents.
May we never see th
My Athlon 2600 XP box puts off WAYYY more heat than my Ultra 80! ;)
This is because Sun makes reasonable power consumption a genuine design goal for UltraSPARC. I would bet that controlling power consumption is one reason why UltraSPARCs appear to be falling behind in the SPEC pseudo-wars. Regardless, it is pretty impressive that 1GHz UltraSPARC III systems can have the FP throughput of 2.8GHz Pentium 4s but at only 50 or so watts per CPU.
Healthcare article at Kuro5hin
I believe the original poster was referring to
3 2k eynote.pdf
this presentation by one of Intel guys:
http://www.intel.com/research/mrl/library/micro
(check out slide #8)
comparing power density on CPU surface with other
hot objects. Hot plate power density was
surpassed by Pentium II, now we are moving
pretty fast to nuclear reactor, and Sun surface
is there on the plot too!
Anyway, check it out.
Paul Bu.
You gotta love a company who's log looks like an erect penis! (use your imagination a little)
Yeah, but try explaining that to the clueless PHBs who think that Wintel workstations outperform Unix RISC workstations for CAD based on the clock frequency. :( Not only that but there's also the claim that Wintel boxes are *cheaper*. (In initial cost, yes, in TCO, no way.)
*sigh*
My journal has hot
Not only that but there's also the claim that Wintel boxes are *cheaper*.
I'm still convinced Suns are better engineering workstations than PCs for the money. Soon, however, the Opteron will be very enticing, and will be pitted sqarely against the UltraSPARC IIIi. PTC is beginning to sell Pro/E for Linux, so Opteron/Linux workstations could be very good. I hope Sun has a business plan to beat/join this trend.
One thing I've noticed, regardless of the CPU, is that the Sun graphics cards have a very high-quality output. For example, my old Creator 3D-based workstation has great anti-aliasing in Pro/E, but a high-end Compaq/Windows NT workstation I saw about a year ago had absolutely terrible anti-aliasing. My experience with PC graphics is limited, so enough time researching PC cards would probably turn up a winner eventually.
Healthcare article at Kuro5hin
One thing I've noticed, regardless of the CPU, is that the Sun graphics cards have a very high-quality output. For example, my old Creator 3D-based workstation has great anti-aliasing in Pro/E, but a high-end Compaq/Windows NT workstation I saw about a year ago had absolutely terrible anti-aliasing. My experience with PC graphics is limited, so enough time researching PC cards would probably turn up a winner eventually.
I agree...I'm looking an Ultra 60 with an Elite 3D graphics card and it's output is in many ways better than the NVidia card on the workstation next to it, running the same software (I-DEAS 9.2)
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bloody-mindedness.
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