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Anonymous Online Diaries With Invisiblog

An anonymous reader writes "The Cypherpunks have finally caught on to the blog phenomenon: enter Invisiblog. This blog system allows users to register accounts and update their weblogs using Len Sassaman's Mixmaster anonymous remailer program. Now you can post all those tales of late-night dumpster diving, without fear of being branded a terrorist!"

163 comments

  1. It's invisible alright... by telstar · · Score: 3, Funny

    The sure-fire way to make a website invisible is to put a link to it from Slashdot....

    1. Re:It's invisible alright... by forand · · Score: 1

      But that is the best way! Since now it is /.ed no one will see it!

    2. Re:It's invisible alright... by Illserve · · Score: 1

      I may be laughing at you but I'm crying on the inside

  2. Interesting... by AdamTrace · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... or just a cool place to post those secrets you've been dying to shout out to the world.

    1. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pu that in your blog and smoke it

  3. that's great...but by wattersa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    isn't the whole point of a blog to give the world a small peek at what you're doing? If it's anonymous, there's nothing to stop someone from posting absolute fiction. I might as well just write short stories and post them on usenet...

    1. Re:that's great...but by NeeNee3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree with you. I think that most people want a blog so that they can talk about themselves. Perhaps they use a pseudonym, but after time, I've noticed that most people start revealing more and more information about who they are and where they are, etc. So, a completely anonymous blog seems rather pointless.

    2. Re:that's great...but by flynt · · Score: 5, Funny

      isn't the whole point of a blog to give the world a small peek at what you're doing?

      No, the point is to trick yourself into thinking that the world actually cares what you're doing.

    3. Re:that's great...but by Trinhbo · · Score: 1

      Or we might as well write stories about our many sexual experiences cuz everyone knows that nerds get all the chicks.

      --
      -Trinhbo [http://trinhbo.com]
    4. Re:that's great...but by forand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      what exactly do you think a blog does? Unless you know the poster to ANY blog in person and know that what they are writting is the truth there is no way to know that they are not submitting fiction. Simply putting a name next to a post doesn't mean it is truth.

    5. Re:that's great...but by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Funny

      "If it's anonymous, there's nothing to stop someone from posting absolute fiction."

      You haven't been reading the articles posted by non-anonymous people here, have ya?

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    6. Re:that's great...but by soorma_bhopali · · Score: 1

      The matrix has you ...

    7. Re:that's great...but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      come on, they are anonymous ANYWAY. The point of this is to ensure that the government doesn't fuck with you... unless you are a 31337 h4x0r, you don't know the "person behind the blog" anyway.

    8. Re:that's great...but by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 1

      Ya.

      It would seem that most people think of slashdot as their personal invisiblog.

    9. Re:that's great...but by benna · · Score: 1

      Yeah thats what journal is for. To rant and pretend someone is reading it. Except that on slashdot people occationally do.

      --
      "It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists." -Ludwig Wittgenstein
    10. Re:that's great...but by Kris_J · · Score: 3, Funny
      No, the point is to trick yourself into thinking that the world actually cares what you're doing.
      Oh yeah, been there. I remember this time whe... Hey! Don't you walk away from... oh, screw it.
    11. Re:that's great...but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or we might as well write stories about our many sexual experiences cuz everyone knows that nerds get all the chicks.

      Actually, this one does.

    12. Re:that's great...but by Purificator · · Score: 1

      that's what i thought until i looked at the blog format. this may be just because it's new and, er, features-limited, but it seems that the blog entries go up without any identifier other than the entry's pgp signature (so not even a pseudonym).

      while that could make some readability problems, since you can't just follow your favorite author (be it Ali Davis or Dave Barry), it lets you tell your one-off tale that you just HAVE to tell someone but can't afford to tell anyone that knows you. i see that as its purpose: rather than building yourself a blog fanbase, you're just telling something that just needs telling.

      as far as accountability for posting fact over fiction, welcome to the internet. just because you read it on a website doesn't mean it's true, even if someone put a real name on it.

      --
      "Mister Potato-head --MISTER POTATO-HEAD! Backdoors are not secrets!" (War Games, 1983)
    13. Re: that's great...but by Omniscient+Ferret · · Score: 1

      I just checked; it's closer to having persistent pseudonymity than total anonymity. It would be like just calling you "Slashdot user #629338" instead of "wattersa." It's just easier to remember names, and those can be included in links and titles.

      What's keeping you from posting absolute fiction? Was wattersa your given name?

    14. Re:that's great...but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    15. Re:that's great...but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, yeah, goes well with the drop-out wino fuck-up trash diving thing then, doesn't it!
      "Got any spare change?". Well, yeah, everyone you`ve asked does. No doesn't mean "no i have none",it means "get off your arse and get a fucking job, loser"

    16. Re:that's great...but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Slashdot,

      Well, I never thought it would happen to me but yesterday as I was walking a home I saw what probably was the most beautiful woman ever to grace the face of earth... nice big breasts, thin body, long blonde hair and eyes to die for... I was surprised when she called out "Hi Sailor!". She was talking to me, or maybe she liked my "Got r00t" T-Shirt? Anyway, I nervously walked up to her and said "Hello". We chatted ab it and as we were talking, another girl walked out of the store we were standing in front of, and it was an exact copy of her, her twin sister!!!

      Read more...

    17. Re:that's great...but by ForestGrump · · Score: 1

      Ever look at Xanga?
      Man that thing is scarry- more than a rant and pretend someone reads it. Seriously, there are some people that would give their soul to you for a few e-props.

      -Grump; been to xanga, seen it.

      --
      Is it true that more people vote for the winner of American Idol, than vote for the president? -Ali G.
  4. Blog entry #1 by Jippy_ · · Score: 4, Funny

    My tinfoil hat is feeling very comfy today. Now with Invisiblog, they'll NEVER get me!

    1. Re:Blog entry #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      silly, we all know that tinfoil doesn't have a sufficient dielectric constant to reflect the government signals. Try aluminum foil instead.

    2. Re:Blog entry #1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your entire body acts as an antenna for your brain. You need to wear tinfoil all over
      (Ouch!) to protect yourself from deadly
      FedGov EM. And there's no protection whatsoever
      from *scalar* EM which can be used to either
      freeze you or to heat you up until you catch
      fire (anyone for spontaneous combustion?)

  5. Dealer blog? by lpret · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think this could turn out to be a very interesting project. Think of the people who can now share their story -- Chinese dissidents, drug dealers, hitmen, etc. Society will definitely gain from this.

    --
    This is my digital signature. 10011011001
    1. Re:Dealer blog? by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I think this could turn out to be a very interesting project. Think of the people who can now share their story -- Chinese dissidents, drug dealers, hitmen, etc. Society will definitely gain from this.

      Not really, because we won't be able to tell what's actually true and what isn't, so you pretty much have to throw the baby out with the bathwater, because you can't tell the difference; it might as well all have a giant "FICTION" stamp on it. Even the non-anonymous weblogs can be complete BS, this is worse.

      There are practical matters here- think about it. How's a "Chinese dissident" going to prove he's really a Chinese dissident, without exposing his identity in the process? Hell, half the time people are caught because they reveal information or details only they(or a select group) knew.

    2. Re:Dealer blog? by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Even the non-anonymous weblogs can be complete BS, this is worse.


      Sure... but many things can be independently verified. And of course, certain anonymous weblogs may build up a reputation for truthfulness, which is a useful heuristic.


      Of course, this sort of thing is also a great way to post ransom notes, etc... not that I'm saying it's a bad idea because of that, I'm just noting a fact.

      --


      I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
    3. Re:Dealer blog? by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 3, Informative

      This sounds like the reputation that "Dear Raed" got.

      There are a lot of people out there who can verify things about his trials and tribulations in Iraq. It's a very interesting blog, and the fact that it's apparently real makes it all that much more interesting.

    4. Re:Dealer blog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah right. Anyone with half a brain knows that if you post enough about your life, it can be eventually tracked back to you... If you mention something about a crime, for example, and its dated (e.g. "happened today") you *GREATLY* narrow down the number of people who it could be & where you are & everything else. Minimal investigation could then turn up your name.

      As such, you should consider this psuedo-anonymous at best...

    5. Re:Dealer blog? by machine+of+god · · Score: 2, Funny

      "My ransom note is posted somewhere on the internet. You have 24 hours to meet with my demands."

    6. Re:Dealer blog? by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I hope he updates it again, once they get power and phones working.

      --
      $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
  6. The problem with anonymity by haloscan · · Score: 5, Funny

    The problem with anonymity is that you don't know who to blame when it get's slashdotted.

  7. Yup, invisible... by ryanr · · Score: 4, Funny

    <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><title></title></hea d><body></body></html>

  8. Excuse me, I speak Jive by Em+Emalb · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Perhaps I can be of some assistance.

    Here's a novel thought in this day and age.

    Maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't write about things that would get you in trouble.

    I understand the desire to invisibly post, but everything you do can (and someday probably will be) traceable back to you. Remember that and the golden rule and you'll be set.

    --
    Sent from your iPad.
    1. Re:Excuse me, I speak Jive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or *maybe* someone should set up a DMCA-busting blog with this. Imagine if the Blackboard card reader info, DeCSS info, sharpie-marker-on-CD info were all readily obtained through an anonymous blog on a website not in the US.

    2. Re:Excuse me, I speak Jive by JoeBuck · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The freeness of a society is inversely proportional to the number of things you can write about that will get you in trouble.

    3. Re:Excuse me, I speak Jive by xchino · · Score: 1

      Right. Bow down to the DMCA and rid any traces of DeCSS you come across. SHouldn't be writing about stuff that might get you in trouble,...

      --
      Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
    4. Re:Excuse me, I speak Jive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't write about things that would get you in trouble.

      Yeah, 'cause freedom of speech is overrated.

    5. Re:Excuse me, I speak Jive by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah. Thoughtcrime is doubleplusungood.

      --


      I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
    6. Re:Excuse me, I speak Jive by maxpublic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't write about things that would get you in trouble.

      And this was called 'insightful'? Many of the "things that would get you into trouble", in this country and others, are simply those things that the powers that be don't want you telling the world. But I suppose if you're just another alpha-male-worshipping ass-kissing moron, then advice like this is just the thing to make the world a good and right place to live in.

      Forget things like exposing political corruption or corporate wrongdoing - you shouldn't be even thinking about such things, much less discussing them with your fellow human beings! Why, if we all bowed down before our political and corporate masters and acted like the proper slaves we were meant to be then we'd all be much, much happier! And should ever a disloyal thought cross your mind, just ignore it and turn on the TV until it goes away....

      'Insightful', my ass.

      Max

      --
      My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
    7. Re:Excuse me, I speak Jive by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
      > Maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't write about things that would get you in trouble.

      4/18: I started off with a pretty normal day, reminding myself that arrays' elements start with zero and count up from there, and that ints were four bytes long, and that there are 8 bits to a byte.

      4/19: Today I learned that master keys and player keys are the same things, and that DVD vendors don't control them all. I also found out that you could get disk keys from disks, and decrypt them with player keys. Title keys can also be read per file. The disk key can be used to decrypt the title key and the show.

      4/20: I took this encrypted disk key, that was six bytes long (well, five bites and a zero at the end), and figured it would take about 3.5 hours to recover one by brute forcing it.

      4/21: So, like there's this pointer "KEY", to these bytes. And there's this other pointer, "im", to the six bytes that make up the player key (but those six bytes are a trade secret.)

      4/22: I played in an online lottery called Lotto 5/255. I lost, but I heard the winning pick was 81, 103, (someone must have liked 103, because 103 was rolled twice), 197, and 224. The ticket emailbot added a "0" after the 224.

      4/23: Suppose your code had some internal variables t1 through t6. Wait a minute, there's these guys at the door wearing black suits. They sound angry. I'd better answer the door.

    8. Re:Excuse me, I speak Jive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Lame.

      You are not free to shout fire in a crowded theater.

      "Freedom" of anything has severe limits. Though you may be "Free" to say anything anywhere any time, you had also better be prepared of the consequences. Anyone that thinks they can cause panic and death in a theater and not be held liable for it might as well just excuse themselves from society all togeather.

      Say good-bye now...

    9. Re:Excuse me, I speak Jive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, as we all know blindly submitting to preceived authority is always the right thing to do.

      Those people speaking out against the anti-semetic tones of the 1930s germans should have just shut up and let god sort out the rest.

      Oh wait, they did.

    10. Re:Excuse me, I speak Jive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are not free to shout fire in a crowded theater.

      Thanks Mao, it's always useful to tell people that. The horrible problem of people burning in theaters must be stopped.

      There's always people who like to stand up to debunk the concept of fundamental rights. What good does that do when the political environment is already making strong inroads to quench those rights?

      The lack of rights did China a lot of good with SARS, didn't it? Mustn't tell the world about SARS for fear of casuing harm to the economy, or to cause a panic. Uh huh. Thanks for the pandemic, asshole.

      The reason fundamental rights must be preserved at all times is because the "theater", in one way or another, is always on fire.

  9. STUPID by WickedClean · · Score: 5, Funny

    This reminds me of the time my boss wanted me to code something to prevent web pages from being printed by users. I told him that if the information was so sensitive, he shouldn't be putting it online in the first place.

    --
    ...All I can say is that my life is pretty strange...
    1. Re:STUPID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This reminds me of the time my boss wanted me to code something to prevent web pages from being printed by users. I told him that if the information was so sensitive, he shouldn't be putting it online in the first place.

      And now....you're out of a job?

    2. Re:STUPID by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Like those horrible bits of code that stop you right-clicking (or control+click in Camino) on web pages in some bizarre attempt to keep the source secret or something.

    3. Re:STUPID by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 1

      oh, you mean the patheic attempt that mozilla doesnt handle right. for some odd reason, it will display the dialogue box telling you to stop, but the rght-clck menu will stay open. this horrible bug is the bane of my existance.....

      --
      YOU SUCK BALLS!
    4. Re:STUPID by sbszine · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a feature to me, in the same vein as the pop-up killer. Web pages are for putting content online, not taking control of the browser.

      I do sympathise, though, as a PHB I used to have tried to make me do the same thing : )

      --

      Vino, gyno, and techno -Bruce Sterling

  10. Secret Plot by rkz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It would be funny if this was set up by the gestapo to catch criminals. obviously not your standard doughnut eating gestapo but maybe the NSA or something

    1. Re:Secret Plot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2. You are responsible for protecting your own privacy. Don't rely on us to do it for you - for all you know, we could be the CIA. Use Mixmaster to keep your identity secret. Use Mixmaster's dummy traffic and delay features to prevent traffic analysis. Don't publish anything on your blog that could reveal who you are.

      how about reading the faq next time, moron?

    2. Re:Secret Plot by rkz · · Score: 1

      i read it and there are ways to get you. "4. The public key you use to sign your posts will be available for download from your main blog page. Make sure the key includes no identifying information. We recommend generating a new public key to use for blog posts and nothing else. " Someone is going to forget and use their real public key. also: "7. IMPORTANT: Once your new blog is created, we recommend you make a test post or two, and then wait at least a few days - preferrably a week - before viewing the blog with your web browser. Accessing it straight away will reveal your IP address, since you're the only one who knows about it. We'll link to your blog from our main page, and make sure it shows up on weblogs.com and blo.gs - you can check one of these pages to confirm its creation. This should ensure some traffic begins to visit the site, so after a few days or so you can visit without being conspicuous. You can help the process by advertising the URL, using mixmaster of course. " Some people just can't wait and this will give them up straight away.

    3. Re:Secret Plot by KiahZero · · Score: 1

      Hello Multiproxy... If you're that concerned about being tracked, odds are you're bouncing signals between at least 5 proxy servers, several of which don't give a fuck what the U.S. government says. Therefore, I doubt that you'd have issues giving out your IP.

      --
      I'm a lawyer, but not yours. I wouldn't represent someone who thinks taking legal advice from Slashdot is a good idea.
  11. Re:Sad news:( Edgar Codd,database theorist,dead at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, I heard this too. However,it turns out he wasn't at his home. He was visiting Stephen King at the time.

  12. Slashdot to the rescue by nacs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess the good thing about the invisblog site being slashdotted offline is that they'll learn from their mistake have better servers next time around a 13 year old doesn't like what someone said on their site and decides to DDoS it.

    --
    "I filter at +6, and have yet to miss out on an important comment." (#822545)
    1. Re:Slashdot to the rescue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better servers aren't going to help if your entire link is saturated, which is the point of a DDoS.

  13. OT? Dumpster diving by moorg · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This lady drove up to our apartments and jumped right in. Busted?

    1. Re:OT? Dumpster diving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you might want to blur out her license plate number before bad people do bad things with that info, or try to.

    2. Re:OT? Dumpster diving by moorg · · Score: 1

      How is that different that looking out the window and picking some other random license place number?

      It's not a secret...

    3. Re:OT? Dumpster diving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you live somewhere that looks like iraq

    4. Re:OT? Dumpster diving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God, you threw the shit away. Stop being such a moron. If you want stuff, or care about whose hands it falls into, don't throw it in the trash.

    5. Re:OT? Dumpster diving by s20451 · · Score: 1

      Apparently this is for real. A quick Google search turned up:
      The Dumpster Lady
      Dumpster Diving for Treasure
      Dumpster Diving: Treasure and Trash
      alt.dumpster

      --
      Toronto-area transit rider? Rate your ride.
    6. Re:OT? Dumpster diving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't look like she found much. What are you worried about, she committed your bank account numbers to memory?

  14. sounds illegal to me (mandatory DMCA reference) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, according to my understanding of the SuperDMCA laws passed or in the process of passing in many states (see previous posts), it seems those laws should make it illegal to post anything anonymously on the web (as I have just done). :-)

    1. Re:sounds illegal to me (mandatory DMCA reference) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lock you up and throw away the key! me too.

  15. Clock is ticking down by WillASeattle · · Score: 1

    until the first spam posting on an invisible weblog is posted ...

    At least the triple-X ads won't be so bad ...

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    > --- All Of The Above --- >
  16. I like this idea... by Squidgee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a good idea. Find the DVD encryption key? Post it here. Find something out about your government that could get you killed? Post it here. This opens up great possiblities for those of use living in the age of Pointdexter, the DMCA, and the Patriot Act. While we may not need it yet, it's nice to know it's there. And, who knows. Maybe this could be used in conjunction with my DMCA Loophole idea, in which one uses the DMCA against itself to protect programs and texts which violate it, and illegal music.

    1. Re:I like this idea... by lobsterGun · · Score: 1

      Its already been done. AIMster tried your DMCA idea in their litigation. It didn't work. It was rejected based on a provision against using laws like the DMCA it hide illegal acts.

    2. Re:I like this idea... by mhesseltine · · Score: 1

      To a certain degree, this already exists. Freenet is supposed to be an anonymous system. All it really needs is a good indexing engine to help you find interesting things that people have inserted that are on the system, but without knowing the key, are unavailable to download.

      --
      Overrated / Underrated : Moderation :: Anonymous Coward : Posting
    3. Re:I like this idea... by Squidgee · · Score: 1
      I've tried to use Freenet; never could get it up and running under Mac OS X. =(

      But, yes it is the general idea; but, it tends to be (from what I've read) unreliable. This seems like more of a central, easily accesable network for such needs.

    4. Re:I like this idea... by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 1

      I've tried to use Freenet; never could get it up and running under Mac OS X.

      It works fine in OS X. I currently run it on a 466 iBook without any problems. OS X 10.1.5, 320meg RAM.

      Freenet in Java is slow though. Could someone port it to C or assembler please? ;-)

      --

      "Bah!" - Dogbert
    5. Re:I like this idea... by Squidgee · · Score: 1

      Hmm..can ya post a binary? I'd love to get Freenet up and running on me iBook.

    6. Re:I like this idea... by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 1

      No binary available. Java jar file downloaded from www.freenetproject.org.

      --

      "Bah!" - Dogbert
    7. Re:I like this idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a clone of Freenet called Entropy written in C. It doesn't have many users though, compared to Freenet.

  17. So what??? by exhilaration · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Just as Slashdot removed posts that those friendly scientologists, a court order would easily force these guys to remove "offensive" material - if they're in the U.S.

    Providing anonymity is only half the battle, you have to base yourself someplace that U.S. law reach to.

    1. Re:So what??? by darksaber · · Score: 1

      wasn't the reason the post was removed because someone copied scientology material into a post verbatim? that's a copyright issue, not censureship.

    2. Re:So what??? by mblase · · Score: 1

      Providing anonymity is only half the battle, you have to base yourself someplace that U.S. law [doesn't] reach to.

      Which, in light of recent international events, basically limits us to extraterrestrial ports of call.

    3. Re:So what??? by Planesdragon · · Score: 1
      Which, in light of recent international events, basically limits us to extraterrestrial ports of call.

      Don't forget that the USA
      • Has two wings of the USAF devoted to space combat
      • Has the world's "grandest" space program
      • Could relativly easily co-opt every reciever with enough power to pick up your signal
      • Can lock-on and destroy your transmitter if it's powerful enough to reach the entire plannet.


      A better idea, if you really want to avoid the government, is to move to a friendly country, marry a native, join their military for a term or two, and then rant against the USA. I suggest France--they may not be all that friendly, but they'res so many of them bashing the US that it's not worth it for us to track them all down.
    4. Re:So what??? by Malcontent · · Score: 1

      You don't have to go to france. Most of the world can't stand us anymore.

      --

      War is necrophilia.

  18. When an invisible weblog gets /.ed by WillASeattle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can anyone hear the server drives screaming?

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    > --- All Of The Above --- >
  19. DOH I'm a terrorist??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the heck....I thought that gear was free!

  20. Blog entry #2 by WillASeattle · · Score: 0

    My tinfoil hat is feeling very comfy today. Now with Invisiblog, they'll NEVER get me!

    You have been reported to the federal Home Security Office for posting off-topic. Please turn in your encrypted key at the nearest Office for Homeland Security at your earliest possible convenience.

    Have a nice day, citizen!

    --
    > --- All Of The Above --- >
  21. Why this isn't stupid by GeoGreg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's already a couple of posts to the effect of "don't post anything on the net that you don't want traced back to you." But, that's not an argument against having anonymous publishing forums. Security agencies want to eliminate anonymity as a route to engaging in criminal activity or, more ominously, as a route to expressing dissent. In some countries, the suppression of dissent is explicit. In others, it's implicit. If these countries allow access to the Mixmaster remailer, and individuals use tools to which security agents don't have access, then "nym" weblogs could be a way of publishing information that governments (and other organizations) wish to suppress. The worst they could say is "you sent an encrypted email to someone" (which is bad enough in some places).

    Saying "it's pointless to hide your tracks, so don't even try" is giving in to those who wish to be able to track down every dissenter, and I'm not sure we should do that quite yet.

    1. Re:Why this isn't stupid by frostman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In countries with something approximating due process, it could be good.

      Of course there are places where sending that encrypted mail would be worse than voicing dissent, since by sending the encrypted mail you have shown both a desire and an *ability* to circumvent the government.

      In many totalitarian states, appearing to be subversive is more dangerous than speaking openly (though that can be mighty dangerous too).

      --

      This Like That - fun with words!

    2. Re:Why this isn't stupid by blibbleblobble · · Score: 1

      "In some countries, the suppression of dissent is explicit. In others, it's implicit"

      The problem with invisiblog is that although users are anonymous, the publisher isn't. As some people have already noted, the publisher is succeptible to legal pressure to censor postings, which is not the case with a system like Freenet. Perhaps future iterations of invisiblog could address the need to allow distributed mirrors, such that no one entity has the power to prevent something being said.

    3. Re:Why this isn't stupid by GeoGreg · · Score: 1

      Yes, very true. That's the motivation behind Publius .

  22. IF it works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As advertised...I think NOT!

  23. Usefulness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This sort of system could benefit people like "Salam Pax", the Iraqi blogger who disappeared from the 'net a few weeks before the US invasion of Iraq. It's nice to have a public forum for which to voice your views -- but if the ruling government is known for killing those who speak out against it, you need some sort of assurance that you will not be killed for your speech. Note that this system still needs work. It should be combined with something like JAP to protect against identification of bloggers based on who views what blogs.

    1. Re:Usefulness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err, he didn't disappear before the invasion. His blog clearly states that he saw and heard the bombing in the "shock and awe" phase of the invasion.

      He "disappeared" when the US sent a Tomahawk with electronics disrupting "fibreglass" warheads into the main telecomms exchange in Baghdad. They did it in 1991 as well.

      It could have been when power stations were taken out. Who knows!

      It's not like the guy was afraid of being picked up for "dissent" or whatever. He's been posting for many months. And he hasn't been killed.

      He just doesn't have a phone line right now. Nor does he have electricity. And who knows where the ISPs servers where located?

      But I doubt he's worried about his Internet access right now. Probably more worried about electricity, food and water. And like, not catching typhoid or cholera.

  24. Can't resolve host name by SiliconEntity · · Score: 1

    My DNS lookups are not able to resolve invisiblog.com. I've been trying for a few hours, since before the slashdot posting. Is anyone else able to see it?

    The listed name servers are DNS7.GAHOST.COM and DNS8.GAHOST.COM. Neither responds to requests, for me. Anyone else with different results?

    1. Re:Can't resolve host name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The slashdot post happened to coincide with scheduled downtime for router replacement. It's back up now.

    2. Re:Can't resolve host name by budn3kkid · · Score: 1

      Seems fine... see below: ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;invisiblog.com. IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION:
      invisiblog.com. 14400 IN MX 0 invisiblog.com.
      invisiblog.com. 14400 IN SOA dns7.gahost.com. admins\@gahost.com.invisiblog.com. 1050648297 28800 7200 3600000 86400
      invisiblog.com. 14400 IN NS dns7.gahost.com.
      invisiblog.com. 14400 IN NS dns8.gahost.com.
      invisiblog.com. 14400 IN A 66.96.212.215 ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
      invisiblog.com. 14400 IN A 66.96.212.215

      Oh, I'm in singapore btw.

    3. Re:Can't resolve host name by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      The slashdot post happened to coincide with scheduled downtime for router replacement. It's back up now.

      Good reason not to put all your DNS servers behind one router. Microsoft made that mistake, and it was funny.

      --
      $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
  25. Re:OH FUCK I CAN HEAR HIS FOOTSTEPS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you said, "but worse", obviously you have already made a decision.

  26. Backwards by limekiller4 · · Score: 2, Informative

    timothy writes:
    "Now you can post all those tales of late-night dumpster diving, without fear of being branded a terrorist!"

    No, timothy, we'll still be labeled terrorits. Encryption will simply be chalked up as one of ou^M^M their tools.

    --
    My .02,
    Limekiller
  27. Blog entry #2 by Darmox · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear Penthouse,
    I never thought that this could happen to me...

    --
    If I was that drunk, I would have remembered it -- H. Simpson
  28. Re:Linux help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you always make your hookers dress up like UNIX mascots?

  29. Freenet blogs by slavemowgli · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why not publish your blog on Freenet instead ? That way, you can not only publish your blog anonymously, but you can also be sure that there is no single, centralized server where it is stored that could be taken out or attacked. Besides, freenet can always use new nodes!

    --
    quidquid latine dictum sit altum videtur.
    1. Re:Freenet blogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only advantage this has over Freenet is that anybody can access it from any computer with just a web browser. I actually prefer Freenet from a technical perspective, but everyone on Freenet is a computer hacker -- if you want your weblog to be read by regular joes then this invisibleblog is a good service.

    2. Re:Freenet blogs by blibbleblobble · · Score: 1

      "Why not publish your blog on Freenet [freenetproject.org] instead ?"

      The fact that nobody would ever see it? The 5-minute page-load time? That you have to upload all the data again every day?

    3. Re:Freenet blogs by slavemowgli · · Score: 1

      Well, "nobody would ever see it" is simply wrong - submit your site to TFE, and people sure will see it. Outside of that, I think how popular your diary/journal/blog/flog gets really depends on how interesting it is, not on where you publish it.

      With regard to having to upload it again every day - admittedly, the need to have to do so when publishing DBR freesites is a bit of a nuisance. However, it can easily be dealt with by setting up a cron job to do that for you.

      And 5 minute page load times? I don't have those. Granted, freenet is still much slower than it should be, but *not* running a node is not exactly going to help with that.

      --
      quidquid latine dictum sit altum videtur.
  30. Re:Linux help by rkz · · Score: 1

    i got one to dress up as Bill Gates once

  31. You're still a Terrorist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They just don't know which one of you to shoot first.

  32. History by pyrrho · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While your advice is sound... thank god people don't follow it... much of history would be lost.

    --

    -pyrrho

  33. zerg by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This would work out great for this chica... although she already seems to have a handle on technology so far, according to all the people trying to track her down.

    --
    [o]_O
    1. Re:zerg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did you find this?

      That girls blog is the most amazing thing I have ever seen.

    2. Re:zerg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uh. Not.

  34. Why an invisiblog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    I have two (legit) reasons.

    First, say you work for a company, like some big name company or organization. Suppose you have some valuable input you think the public should know. When I did work for the [large nonprofit animal-rights group name withheld] in the mid 90s, I was truly shocked how poorly it was run. My company was doing a sort of "cleanup" before an audit, and we saw almost brazen employee theft, accounting black holes (over $600K a year was being funneled into payroll, for example, to a dozen employees who did not exist, or at least, had no SSNs and all shared the same mailstop in the Azores), and just general dishearteningly shocking truths. When our group began to uncover a lot of red flags, we were suddenly told that we were not needed, they had hired another audit company to "start where we left off." Apparently they got away with hiring three companies, all of whom did only part of the audits, so that something they were up to, I guess, could not be pieced together. I wanted to shout, I wanted to scream, "Don't give money to these people!!!!" to anyone who might mistakenly seen their cute animal logo and think, "I'll save a panda or a baby seal." But I could have really fucked my audit company, made some accusations that would have put me in court, and other nastiness. What can I say, I'm a coward.

    Second, sometimes you just want to vent frustrations about family and friends, get comments, and just orally dump onto an anonymous crowd to get a sense of whether you're crazy, or they are. Suppose you have a lot of friends in the local SOHO community. You hate some of them, you know some of them have their dirty secrets, but you don't want to expose them or get them in trouble by having them traced back to you. Those can make the best blogs. "The man we'll call 'Sleeps-with-underage-boys' was at my gallery today, bragging about his new blond hair. He's bleached it so much, most of it has fallen out, and he looks like Colin Mochrie with a Quake II -rendered haircut. Despite claims he makes at book parties, he's only sold one painting, and that was six years ago. If it weren't for his father's inheritance, he'd be mopping the floor of porno booths at the local wharf. Itchy-Scalp-Redhead is flirting with him, because she has no gaydar, and doesn't realize that Sleeps-with-underage-boys is so past gay, he overshot Liberace and landed deep in Emerald City; red glitter shoes and all. It's like watching a sparrow crash into a plate glass window over and over. You want to stop it, but you can't stop laughing at the little bird's persistence. I hate this job, but I can't tear myself away because its a circus that keeps getting worse and worse, and you just want to be there when the whole big top finally catches fire and Jumbo tramples a few trapeze acts."

    1. Re:Why an invisiblog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was a fantastic blog entry. It had me larfin' anyway (if I was a sad loser geek I'd probably say something lame about a drink spurting out of my nose at this point, but as it stands I'll just take the piss out of those who do instead)

    2. Re:Why an invisiblog? by WickerChap · · Score: 1

      Got to ask - why did you post as AC ????? :)

      --
      "I love deadlines. I love the wooshing sound they make as they fly past" Douglas N Adams
    3. Re:Why an invisiblog? by msouth · · Score: 1

      The guy that talked to Deep Throat during the Nixon administration never outed him. I think you could trust him with your story.

      --
      Liberty uber alles.
  35. THAT'S NOT JIVE! THIS is Jive: by tigertigr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Perhaps ah' can be uh some assistance.

    Here's some novel dought in dis day and age.

    Maybe, plum maybe, ya' shouldn't scribble about doodads dat would dig ya' in trouble.

    I dig it de desire t'invisibly post, but everydin' ya' do kin (and someday probably gots'ta be) traceable back t'ya'. Rememba' dat and da damn golden rule and ya''ll be set. Man!

  36. Mod parent up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stupid offtopic mods...

  37. Use Freenet by Tracy+Reed · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have to second the recommendation to try Freenet. I believe it is superior technology to mixmaster and is completely decentralized so nobody can censor it or take it down. Very slick. Undergoing some growing pains for sure but definitely moving along.

    1. Re:Use Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Freenet lacks strong publisher anonymity properties, which is what Mixmaster provides. if you want censorship resistance after publication, then Freenet tries to do what you want. If you want publisher anonymity, you need Mixmaster.

      Has anyone thought about writing a Mixmaster to Freenet gateway?

    2. Re:Use Freenet by Tracy+Reed · · Score: 1

      In what way does freenet lack publisher anonymity? Lots of people are publishing completely anonymously on freenet. That is one of its main selling points.It is not practically possible to tell who inserted any given piece of data into freenet.

    3. Re:Use Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on who your adversary is. If you're hiding from your boss, Freenet might be okay. If the adversary has network monitoring capabilities, identifying publishers is fairly easy.

      See the past 20 years of research in the field of strong anonymity.

    4. Re:Use Freenet by Tracy+Reed · · Score: 1

      The Freenet developers have done a great deal of study. The enemy has to have control of or be able to monitor a great number of freenet nodes to accomplish this.

  38. No secrets just dumpster diving. by ihatewinXP · · Score: 1

    "Now you can post all those tales of late-night dumpster diving, without fear of being branded a terrorist!"

    - Hmmmm, when I think dumpster diving 'terrorist' doesn't jump to mind. Words like "bum", "whino," and even "damn trailer trash redneck next door looking through my trash again!" - but never terrorist; so if thats all you guys were worried about then go right ahead.

    Rasie hell, live to dive.

    --
    ---- The real Slashdot is still here. You just have to browse at -1 to read the comments.
  39. True Story by Obiwan+Kenobi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I too started a blog, and its prior incarnation. The reason I have a "prior incarnation" is becuase 1) I changed formats, and 2) I really, really pissed someone off.

    Here's what happened:

    My best friend was getting married, and I was invited to be one of the groomsmen. I'm cool with that, very excited to be a part of it, etc etc.

    Well, during, before, and after the ceremony the bride's mother just got on my nerves. [politically correctness]She generally acted in a very non-friendly way[/politically correctness].

    And a day later, after coming down with a cold, and pumped full of cold/flu meds, I re-iterated this truth in my blog, albeit a bit too unfriendly.

    You see when I started a blog I wanted to be truthful. I didn't want to worry about holding back, about letting off the pressure a bit so I wouldn't offend people. I wanted to let my thoughts be known, no matter what.

    Well, this will backfire for anyone. I promise. That is why this idea is f*cking brilliant.

    You can't be brutally honest (such as, say, calling your best friend's new mother in law a bitch) without suffering repurcussions. Such as hateful, bodily-harm threatening email from the bride (and family).

    So from then on I had to censor my posts, put my attitude and ideas in check and make sure they're in accordance with the Friendly Blog Act. This means you can't say anything too hurtful or truthful for fear of it affecting other areas of your life.

    Was my friendship affected by the post? Sure. But it affected him far more than it affected me. That was the real hurt. Knowing that my words caused him grief, caused him to deal with the bride's family backlash, to try and make up for my stupid ass mistake.

    With a service such as this I can tell the truth, change a few names, and no one ever know the wiser. Of course, if I get too specific I can get busted, but considering the amount of blogs this could generate, I'm not that worried about it. I can't wait to sign up and try it out, completely anonymous and completely guilt-free of any posts I might have to put up there.

    Blog's can harm kids, remember. If its not your friends it may be the job interview, your future supervisor googling up your name and holding you responsible for some post you made while drunk out of your mind.

    Not that I would know...or anything.

    "So, you said last March you...'Love the pot.' Can you elaborate on that?"

    1. Re:True Story by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      Simple.
      1. Don't be drunk out of your mind, or at all for that matter.
      2. Don't blog.

      #1 Internet rule, "U keepa U mouth shut!" (with heavy Italian accent)

  40. Freenet does this already. Mod parent up! :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quite right! The more people use Freenet, the better it gets. Not only can you publish anonymously, you also read anonymously. There's no mechanism for logging hits to a server, since there's no central server. Nobody knows whose blogs you're reading!

  41. Not as good as Slashdot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    I prefer the "Post Anonymously" check box for all my trolling needs!

  42. they're watching you now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Now you can post all those tales of late-night dumpster diving, without fear of being branded a terrorist!"

    how would you know about such things unless you yourself were a terrorist. the government is going to be on your ass now

  43. new way to googlebomb by blastedtokyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With google buying that blog company recently and the recent posts about how "the second superpower" term was coined, anonymous blogging will probably die because of all the usual scum--spammers who abuse trackbacks, googlebombers trying to raise their relevancy ratings, and then the RIAA citing every hyperlink on the anonymous postings that points to an MP3 file.

  44. Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd add you to my Friends list, but you're already there.

  45. Flogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    There are many interesting blogs on Freenet, they call them "Flogs" (and if you read them, you would know why ;).

    these range from the gay guy who is kinda homophobic (he hates himself) to the weblog of a paedophile (its scary, he *really* hates himself).

    Honestly, Mixmaster required a PhD to set up, Freenet is pretty easy by comparision.

  46. Freenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    There is a paedophile with a "Flog" on Freenet.

    Beat that...

    1. Re:Freenet by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      I'm not at all in favor of the freenet thing, at least for me. I don't want someone using *MY* box to xfer or store kiddie porn, warez, or anything else that's illegal.

      I'm OK with it being used to safe harbor sites and files for people in other countries that don't have any free speech but child porn and warez is illegal EVERYWHERE and it's WRONG. Not to mention, child porn has nothing at all to do with free speech, nothing at all. It's just sick, perverted, illegal and plain old wrong.

      There is no one and no way that can convince me otherwise.

      Flame away baby, I can take it.....

  47. Anonymous Cowards dot Blog by Kynn · · Score: 3, Funny

    The best thing about this story is that it was submitted by "an anonymous reader".

    --Kynn

    --
    Kynn's page: http://kynn.com/
  48. Doh! by ryanr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    http://invisiblog.com/info/faq

    8. Mixmaster is slow and not always reliable. Messages typically take 12 to 24 hours to arrive. Sometimes they never arrive at all.

  49. this is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  50. Pathetic by WolfTheWerewolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As has been said before, why blab on about something noone cares about in a public forum just to mark it private?
    If anyone really cares, they would have asked you.

    Some people have blogs while most have a cry for attention.

    1. Re:Pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      private != anonymous

  51. Dire Implications by serutan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, I can see the Homeland Security boys freaking over this one. Anonymous blogs are sure to be a hotbed of terrorist steganography.

    "Your Honor, we need a court order to seize their network logs for the last 6 months, and a gag order so they can't warn their potentially unlawful users." [insert rubber stamp sound]

  52. Freenet by n1k0 · · Score: 1

    Just put your blog on the Freenet...

    Nick

  53. Because Freenet is self-defeating by schlach · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right now there are two groups that use Freenet: the cautiously-paranoid and the rightfully-paranoid. The cautiously-paranoid is the group that (with good reason) fears the intrusion of not only government censorship but increasingly corporate censorship, as the line between Corp and State thins... The CP posts content that is unlikely to get them in much hot water if posted to the 'net, but that makes them feel better about supporting a system that will one day (supposedly) protect us from a surveillance-state gone mad.

    The rightfully-paranoid are those that use Freenet to post content that is so heinous and illegal (i'm thinking kiddie porn here) that no one would ever host them, and leaving any non-cryptographically-secure trail, no matter how obfuscated, that leads back to them is an invitation for law enforcement to track their asses down and lock them up for a long time. In other words, they use Freenet because, for all the inefficiency and general-lousiness of Freenet as a distribution system, the expected value is still better than getting their ass in stir.

    That's pretty much the problem. There's nothing to attract most users, who might appreciate anonymity but would much rather have pseudo-anonymity (which is more just the appearance of anonymity), and have content that might actually be read by someone. The only thing a new user is likely to find on Freenet was posted by tinfoil-hats or child pornographers. This is not likely to endear them to the system (unless they're into that sort of thing).

    My argument is that, after the initial fascination with the power (read: geek-coolness factor) of the anonymity of the system wears off, most non-clinical tinfoil-hats would rather have their content read by someone, and will find a new distribution system. The only people who won't make that choice are people who can't afford to make that choice. I expect that will eventually leave the FreeNet as the network of kiddie porn, with a few ultra-paranoids hiding among them.

    I'm not sure what the legal standing of Freenet will be if/when it will be used mostly for the dispersal of obscene material, but it will certainly be an easy target in the Ashkroft justice system... and if your intent is to preserve a means of communication when the State outlaws badthinkspeak, you're never going to be able to organize on something as inefficient as Freenet.

    1. Re:Because Freenet is self-defeating by StormySky · · Score: 1

      Not quite.

      Freenet has potential; I don't think it's been reached yet, but it is there. Java is retarded. In theory, it's a great old thing, but when you deal with various implementations that all have little flaws, the result is a program that is slow and buggy. That's the first of Freenet's problems. The second is the lack of awareness and use. You're incorrect in thinking only conspiracy theorists and paedophiles use the network.

      Kiddie porn may be the most heinous and illegal thing to you, and southern baptists everywhere, but, what about a step by step guide to hijacking an airplane and crashing it into a building? Or, an updated version of being a professional hitman, with detailed instructions on how to use new technologies to cover your tracks? Or making profit off selling rat's milk to children for their school lunch? You've got a limited imagination: Freenet can cater to many more than the sexually decadent and Mel Gibson/Julia Roberts shippers.

      Taking my tongue out of my cheek (or foot out of mouth, as case may be) Freenet alternately lets you: Post the inner documents of Any Given Cult Formed By A Hack Of A SciFi Author, post the source code for exploits that are especially meaty, and a detailed dissection for the non-script kiddies interested in knowing the nitties, photographs of war atrocities, done in the interest of protecting the unwashed masses of soccer moms from terrorists, etc, all with a high level of anonymity. Not perfection, of course, but remember, Freenet is *international*. This makes it harder for the Usian government to squash those little irritating things it doesn't like.

      Is Freenet perfect? Hell no. As I started this post with, it's SLOW and BUGGY, mostly because of being imped in java. Traffic analysis would probably bear fruit against a target, given sufficient resources being brought to bear against them. But (the big one) the more people running it, the less likely it is of you being tracked down. Of course, we're talking apples and oranges --- the people who use blogs, at least to me, seem terribly narcisstic. They WANT people to know who they are... sort of a fame thing. Freenet is for when you DON'T want the recognition, but you want to get whatever info out there. Dispersion? You post the key to the public forums anonymously... and let people go get the data themselves. Indexing is only a problem when someone is randomly searching for certain data, ie, governments.

      Now, if only Elcomsoft would start funding development for Ian.

      --
      We can face anything... except for bunnies.
    2. Re:Because Freenet is self-defeating by schlach · · Score: 1

      Taking my tongue out of my cheek (or foot out of mouth, as case may be) Freenet alternately lets you: Post the inner documents of Any Given Cult Formed By A Hack Of A SciFi Author, post the source code for exploits that are especially meaty, and a detailed dissection for the non-script kiddies interested in knowing the nitties, photographs of war atrocities, done in the interest of protecting the unwashed masses of soccer moms from terrorists, etc, all with a high level of anonymity. Not perfection, of course, but remember, Freenet is *international*. This makes it harder for the Usian government to squash those little irritating things it doesn't like.

      Avoiding any ad hominem responses myself, I'll reiterate that for all of the non-pedophilic uses you specified, it's so unlikely that the network will effectively transmit the information to a searcher that both the poster and seeker will use an alternative means. If you want scientology texts, search kazaa. If you want exploits, read bugtraq. Photographs of war atrocities? Try google. None of those things is so ruthlessly hunted by the FBI, or discriminated against by Corp censorship, that it becomes worthwhile to try to find them on Freenet rather than another, more easily accessible method.

      My point was that only the most reprehensible uses will be willing to permit Freenet's excesses.

      And, since there's no search algorithm, you're pretty much relying on people to be able to transmit keys in a secure and anonymous manner. You're assuming that pages that say, "Kiddie porn on freenet at this key #" won't be censored by the same groups that would censor and prosecute authors that post the porn itself. If you've got a safe and anonymous channel, why not use it to transmit the subversive content and save yourself the trouble?

      The problems will not be fixed by an implementation in C. Java is not the bottleneck - the distributed network is.

      And no, even people with quite active imaginations are more offended by the exploitation of children than they are by exploit code. It's a convenient worst-case scenario when discussing the basin Freenet will find itself in. Instructions for plane hijackers would be a step up.

    3. Re:Because Freenet is self-defeating by mE123 · · Score: 1

      And here is the reason I still drudge through the comments on slashdot. I would like to thank you for not only being able to write/spell, but also for making a good point.

      I wish comments like this where the norm, not the exception.

      --
      "Freedom of the press is limited to those who own one." - A.J. Liebling

    4. Re:Because Freenet is self-defeating by StormySky · · Score: 1
      If you've got a safe and anonymous channel, why not use it to transmit the subversive content and save yourself the trouble?

      Is Sorenson still closed? If someone happened to have the source about, or, perhaps, the source for M$'s DRM for something like .lit... what's the hassle of trying to find a site that won't go down versus posting to Freenet? I think you're missing the whole point of Freenet: Having a way of keeping things 'out there' without worrying about it being suppressed. For Scientology docs, there ARE some sites able to stay up because of location, but, then, that's a tiny cult compared to any major government. Check out DeCSS.. that's pretty global, and ONLY is out there because of the swell of people that spread it. Well, Freenet has the same concept: If something's really desired, it's going to get passed around the network, and there's no one to write to say, "Remove this". The guys developing Freenet don't control it --- make them stop developing, but people can still run nodes, and play with (improve) the source.

      For keys --- okay, for the use of kiddie pr0n... what's more secure... trying to anonymously post it online, where someone has control at some point of the access point and can get rid of it, or, putting it on freenet, and scrawling the key on the side of a toilet stall? I didn't say use of the internet explicitly. Kiddie porn is the fighting issue the governments will use to try to ban anonymous p2p, but is hardly their major worry. After all, some sickos looking at kids doesn't hurt THEIR wallets. On the other hand, whistle blowers, with hard copy, THOSE are the dangerous types, and THAT is the kind of stuff you can't easily post to a url: An "invisible blog" is still hosted somewhere, and that means either seizure of that machine, or a sniping of the upstream provider. However, if one were to put their stuff on Freenet, and then post the key to places where people would be interested (email to CNN? Certain newsgroups?) from a library, or a college computer room, etc... is that not better? And there's no where to 'pull the plug', so to speak. And, you mention bugtraq... do they now actually discuss the gritty details of exploits, or are they still doing, "There could be a buffer overflow in App X"? If you know a page is vulnerable to sql injection --- does that go into bugtraq? Photographs of war atrocities: If you've got an American soldier standing over some kid with its brains blown out, wearing a silly grin (the soldier, not the kid), do you think that'd stay online anywhere for any length of time, especially if it was linked to by well traveled sites? (Assuming places like MSNBC would even link that) Again, the 'joy' of Freenet is being able to easily post something that could land you in hot water where-ever you might be geographically located, and not have to worry quite as much about being shot in the back of the head for it. Perhaps it's true that it's impossible to do truly anonymous p2p and have it work at all, but, right now, Freenet is the best bet for it, and, believe me, the paeds aren't the only ones using it. I can think of (but shan't name) four rather interesting projects that were only released into Freenet and keys posted; stuff that rather stirred up a hornets nest, but left them no where to sting.

      As for bottlenecks: When the application crashes, and you lose all your node refs and peers, that's quite bad --- and is because of the java implementation. Sure, C crashes, if you don't do it right, but, at least, it's fast while it's going. The network itself will speed up when people will actually RUN it. Can't get users without it being stable and fast, can't be fast without users. (Stable is another story, bleh).

      Is there anything that you can recommend that functions better than Freenet for what I've mentioned? A way to, once posted, keep content as long as people want to retrieve it, but not have any 'real' place it's located?

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    5. Re:Because Freenet is self-defeating by schlach · · Score: 1

      I'm not disagreeing with anything you say because I believe that government and corporate censorship isn't active and getting worse. Nor do I disagree because I'm not familiar with Freenet. I read the papers, and it seemed like an excellent idea, but after playing with it a bit, and finding myself ultimately unable to find anything worthwhile on the network, I began worrying about whether that was because of unsure adoption rates or Freenet's considerable technical barriers. I think Freenet, viewed from a reader and poster perspective without rose-colored glasses, is in serious trouble in its current incarnation. Maybe all of the technical problems get sorted out after hitting a certain threshold of nodes and replicability, but will it be able to make it that far?

      As for your mentioned concerns, the bugtraq mailing list on securityfocus.com (now symantec) is still a full-disclosure mailing list. It takes a lot of flack for that, but stands by the decision. If Symantec were to restrict it, then the user base would move to one of the many other mailing lists that are already positioning themselves to take over. As long as the professionals reading the list want full-disclosure, they'll get it.

      The biggest impact of censorship is not in suppressing all knowledge of a certain topic from all people, but in making sure that outsiders are discredited, labeled as heretics, and prevented from distributing their message to large audiences. Nobody's going to institutionally shut you down for sharing pics of an enthusiastic American killer on Kazaa, or even hosting them on a webpage (although you could probably find ISPs that would object). Certainly you're not going to be arrested. However, you're never going to be able to get the pics picked up by CNN or shown on television to further an anti-war agenda. You might even get dropped by Akamai. You will probably be mentioned in a Washington Post editorial as an anti-American crackpot. Maybe someone will find a picture of you burning an American flag, and that will be all they need. "Don't listen to him, he once burned a flag." The main distribution channels are centrally controlled and they will suppress you, and they know that completely stamping you out would get more people upset at the censorship issue than just keeping you off the air and ignoring you past that. As long as the threat you represent is neutralized, they have more to gain by discrediting you than silencing you.

      And you will still get more people viewing the images or reading your essays on non-anonymous web pages or mailing lists than you will by publishing on Freenet and expecting people to find it that way. You'll still have the key distribution problem, and if it ever gets so bad that the most effective way of transmitting a key is to scratch it into the toilet stall, your movement will stall. The information will not be transmitted. You'd be better off taking your risks printing paper flyers and leafletting the town.

      That's another issue. People are more likely to believe and be concerned when authors are willing to attach their name to their writing. Anonymous whistle-blowing may be enough to start an investigation, but certainly it won't move people like someone coming forward and saying, "I was part of a huge scandal." The only thing in Freenet's favor there is that I think the majority of the current user-base "wants to believe". But there will be no public outrage if the public never finds out.

      Is there anything that you can recommend that functions better than Freenet for what I've mentioned? A way to, once posted, keep content as long as people want to retrieve it, but not have any 'real' place it's located?

      Haha, funny you should ask. Ask me again on Monday. =)

      I think I have a solution to the distribution and replication problems, and it does support pseudo-anonymous posting, but it does not offer anonymity on the strength of Freenet. That was a compromise I was willing to make, which should suffice for anything not legally 'obscene'.

    6. Re:Because Freenet is self-defeating by StormySky · · Score: 1

      Well, I missed asking yesterday, but I'll settle for asking today: What's your replacement? :)

      Btw, your post was excellent. I'm not trying to evangelize Freenet, I'm simply saying that at the moment, it seems to be the 'best' option for some things. DeCSS, for example, would have been well served to have been released on Freenet. Also, I believe the authors of 'Clit' (.lit converter) originally released on Freenet.

      You are correct as far as the mainstream attention, but that's not my focus. I'm more interested in a medium where what's being put into it is far more important than other factors: Ie, trust and recognition. If you have something you want to 'get' out there and NOT have it be linked to you, Freenet seems to be the best solution, whether it be a program that would result in high civil penalties, or an expose that could potentially result in a bullet in the head.

      I didn't know that Bugtraq still published details, as I stopped reading a goodly time ago. Most 'security bulletins' I seem to run across are scant except to say that 'such and such a hole exists'. Freenet could serve as a nice place to post one's full 'experience' with such a thing, especially in the United States, where the DMCA makes even the posting now questionable, for some endeavours.

      I guess I'm more focused on source code type stuff, and the sort of information that can easily be verified by those interested, than in the worry of authenticity that you cover: You're right, an anonymous post about a random company doesn't hold much weight. Publishing an undoctored picture of the CEO taking a goat from behind, on the other hand, speaks for itself. :)

      Today, more than ever, there's a need to be able to put out information that CANNOT be traced back to oneself, for myriad reasons, many of them ethically, if not legally, legit. Freenet is the only avenue I'm aware of that strives to allow that, despite its many notable failings. (Just for chatting, IIRC (www.invisiblenet.net) see to be nifty...)

      Anyway, interested in your alternative, and I thank you for your comments... :)

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      We can face anything... except for bunnies.
    7. Re:Because Freenet is self-defeating by schlach · · Score: 1

      Well, I missed asking yesterday, but I'll settle for asking today: What's your replacement? :)

      Well, I'm a couple days behind myself, but we're live now - ximp.sourceforge.net. Ximp is the name of the SourceForge project, but Maverick is the name of the alternative. I just threw this stuff up 10 minutes ago, and I'll probably be hacking on it the rest of the night, but it'll still be pretty rough for awhile. Have a look at the two descriptions (I'm working on merging them) and let me know what you think. This is the first public notice, but I'm hoping that not a lot of people find out before some of the rough edges get smoothed out. Then we'll need to recruit a few folks. And I suppose eventually we should write some code... =)

  54. I've been doing this for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, okay, months. But I've got a blog *nobody* reads but me! And I'll never tell you about it! Never!