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JadeSky writes "Having played around with wireless networking at home a little bit, and then being faced with implementing a wireless network at the office for the purposes of in-house customer training in a cosmetically clean room (wires are ugly), I had been thinking for some time about the best way to implement a secure wireless networking solution. Amusingly enough, shortly after the idea of a wireless network at the office came up, I managed to win 802.11 Security in a raffle at the Kernel Panic Linux Users' Group monthly meeting. The book was thoughtfully donated (with a few others) by O'Reilly on the condition that the recipients contribute reviews. Since I've found the book genuinely helpful, I thought I'd let others know, and hence, my first Slashdot book review. Hooray!" This book emphasizes a multi-layer approach to wireless security; read on for more of JadeSky's review. 802.11 Security author Bruce Potter and Bob Fleck pages 192 publisher O'Reilly rating very good reviewer Gregory Ruiz-Ade (JadeSky) ISBN 0596002904 summary Securing wireless networks

With the amazing proliferation of wireless networks these days, there seems to be constant churning about how best to secure them, while at the very same time, barely anybody is actually doing anything about it. Potter and Fleck have offered up this little book, 802.11 Security, as a no-nonsense guide to understanding the problem of wireless networking security (or, as the case may be, the complete lack thereof) as well as demonstrating how to implement viable solutions.

Straight from the horse's mouth, "This book is aimed at network engineers, security engineers, systems administrators or general hobbyists interested in deploying secure 802.11b-based systems." The greatest attention is given to Linux and FreeBSD systems, though OpenBSD, Mac OS X and Windows are covered as client systems, too. The authors split the book into four parts: "802.11 Security Basics (Part I)," "Station Security (Part II)," "Access Point Security (Part III)," and "Gateway Security (Part IV)."

Part I, "Security Basics," gives a very good introduction to the concepts of wireless communications. Chapter 1 explains how radio transmissions work (and how antenna shapes affect them), and why radio transmissions are inherently insecure (i.e., anyone with an antenna in range can listen in). 802.11 is explained, as well as WEP, and WEP's problems. Chapter 2 describes in detail the risks involved with wireless networking, and gives examples of types of attacks which can be performed against wireless networks.

Part II, "Station Security," outlines in great detail what you need to do to make sure your wireless network clients are as secure as possible. We're given two goals for client station security: prevent any access to the client systems, and make sure that the clients speak secure protocols for any network services they access. To the paranoid, both these goals are rather obvious, but they're important enough that the authors spent time explaining them. They follow with a couple paragraphs on logging and security updates on the client systems, and the rest of Part II (Chapters 4 through 8) give specific information on how to best secure client systems of various OSes.

Part III (Chapter 9, really), "Setting Up an Access Point," delves into the intricacies of setting up and securing a wireless access point, from generic advice on how to configure access point appliances to more specific instructions on configuring host-based access points running Linux, FreeBSD and OpenBSD. Comparatively little time is spent on host-based access points in the book, probably because most people generally don't do things things way since access point appliances are so cheap and simple to configure/install.

The remainder of the book is spent on Part IV, "Gateway Security" (Chapters 10 through 15), which describes the infrastructure end of how most wireless networks will likely end up being integrated to wired networks. Basic suggestions for structuring the combined networks are given, and follow what I'd consider to be really good advice: wireless networks should be on their own interface of the gateway (or firewall), physically separated from both internal networks and the Internet. The authors strongly recommend against simply attaching the access points to the internal network, as that introduces too many security risks (an example involving ARP poisoning is given to illustrate why and how). The next three chapters detail the configuration of Linux, FreeBSD and OpenBSD as a secure gateway.

Chapter 14, "Authentication and Encryption", introduces the idea of using strong authentication and encryption mechanisms outside of WEP, using NoCat (which will run on Linux, FreeBSD and OpenBSD) and WiCap (for OpenBSD only) for authentication and IPSec for strong encryption. The idea the authors present here is that for the most secure setup, in addition to enabling strong WEP (as detailed in the rest of the book), your wireless network is set up to not allow clients access to anything until they are authenticated. Then, and only then, the gateway will allow wireless clients to access other network segments (i.e., the internal LAN, and/or the Internet), but only if all the communications over the wireless segment are done through secure tunnels. Sadly, the authors neglected to mention OpenBSD's, Windows 2000's or XP's ability to do IPSec, and their treatment of IPSec for FreeBSD and Linux certainly isn't very detailed, though pointers are given to the appropriate web sites for more information. 802.1x authentication (physical port authentication) is also explained in some detail, though it is of little use, since very little equipment deployed today has support for it. It is an interesting concept, though.

Closing out the book, Chapter 15 is appropriately titled "Putting It All Together." Here we get a final overview of all the pieces as well as how they fit together, and how certain aspects of the system as a whole affects both the administrators and the users of the system.

Overall, I'd have to say that this is exactly the type of "security in depth" book I've been needing to help me figure out how best to implement wireless networking at the office with minimal risk to the rest of the network. The authors write in a very approachable style and do a very good job of giving the necessary background before launching into any detailed discussions. I would highly recommend this book to anyone considering installing wireless networking without wanting to simultaneously install a simple back door to their network. Honestly, I haven't found much to complain about.

I'm of the opinion that, after reading this book, and using it as a guide to setting up a secure wireless network, I'll be able to sleep at night. Even though people can still war drive (or even war fly) and find your access points, even if they managed to crack the WEP keys and associate to the AP, the network will still be secure because of the multiple layers that have been put in place.

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179 comments

  1. 802.11 Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aren't those terms mutually exclusive?

  2. If you liked these phrases ... by Mikey-San · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Wireless security"?

    Is that anything like "military intelligence"?

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    1. Re:If you liked these phrases ... by dumbnumpty · · Score: 2, Funny

      ..or Microsoft Works Ba-dum-bum-bum*symbol clash* Thank you-thank you, I'm here all week.

    2. Re:If you liked these phrases ... by larry+bagina · · Score: 0, Troll

      no, it's like "heterosexual slashdot editor"

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    3. Re:If you liked these phrases ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are very funny man. I think I love you.

    4. Re:If you liked these phrases ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe geeks have symbol clashes, but percussionists normally have cymbal clashes.

    5. Re:If you liked these phrases ... by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Bureaucratic Efficiency
      Employee Empowerment

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    6. Re:If you liked these phrases ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Actually, now that WPA is starting to be rolled out, security will likely get much better. WPA has 128 bit keys, mutual authentication between client and access point, as well as per session and per packet keys. Best if all, vendors of current products can implement it as a firmware upgrade.

      WPA is a subset of 802.11i.

    7. Re:If you liked these phrases ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're just upset because your comment will never be seen by anyone browsing at 0 or higher ;D

  3. I don't understand. by Sheetrock · · Score: 1, Insightful
    What is so fundamentally different about 802.11 from other forms of networking that is making it so hard to secure? Is there an inherent vulnerability in wireless communication that I'm not spotting (besides not having to splice a wire or find an unused network drop to get in) or is this about people who don't follow good security practices and decide they want to compound their difficulties by broadcasting network access?

    Maybe the problem isn't 802.11 security, but computer security in general.

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    1. Re:I don't understand. by Matey-O · · Score: 1

      It's because you don't need physical access to the wiring closet to sniff packets now. All you need is netstumbler and a pringles can.

      There'd be a similar hubbub if there was a small LED display outside your cubicle, showing everything that was moving across the ethernet segment on your desktop.

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    2. Re:I don't understand. by Migrant+Programmer · · Score: 4, Informative

      besides not having to splice a wire or find an unused network drop to get in

      That is the inherent vulnerability. Someone can have "wired equivalent" access to your network from possibly miles away using a good antenna, so physical security is irrelevant. Compounding this problem is the fact that wireless networks are expected to have clients connecting and disconnecting all the time, from different places, whereas in most wired networks the client base is fairly stable (and easily policed).

    3. Re:I don't understand. by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 1

      Well, apart from the fact that to obtain entrance to most LANS, you need physical access (or have to get through a firewall), no.

      WEP is also wayyyyyy weak.

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    4. Re:I don't understand. by blixel · · Score: 1

      Maybe the problem isn't 802.11 security, but computer security in general.

      Of course. But wireless makes in expodentially worse because you are broadcasting your insecurity to anyone within range. Whereas an insecure wired network is inherently more secure for the fact that you have to be plugged into it.

    5. Re:I don't understand. by Migrant+Programmer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Replying to myself to add another point:

      Wireless networks are broadcast-based, obviously; they work like a hub, not a switch. That means someone with an antenna can listen to everyone's packets, whereas with a switched network a "wire-splice" attacker only gets the packets belonging to a single client.

    6. Re:I don't understand. by sporty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, 802.11 is a little more insecure due to one facet.

      Take 2 computers, link them by ethernet cable, lock it up pretty well, and poof you have a mostly secure network.

      Only thing stopping you from getting on my home network right now, is the fact you don't have a cable plugged into my switch at home. I also have a good firewall on my dsl line.

      Now, if i were to put the switch on the sidewalk, anyone could just walk up, and jack in. They'd have access behind my firewall and to my dsl line. That is what wireless is like: putting an invisible switch whever you happen to be, within certain distance of an access point. So it's harder to secure by the fact that you don't need a wire to connect, but just be in proximity.. and unless you have shielding around your AP and computers that use the AP's, you are more open.

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    7. Re:I don't understand. by The+Electric+Messiah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What is so fundamentally different about 802.11 from other forms of networking that is making it so hard to secure?

      I think you hit it on the head here. You don't have to have physical access to a wire. You could be 50 meters away from the AP and be able to access the network.

      Another problem was with the first implementation of WEP. The 40/64 bit encryption is terribly easy to break, as is well documented. The 104/128-bit WEP is more secure, enough for casual use, but with enough packets sniffed, can be broken as well.

      A lot of the vendors are coming out with proprietary security systems which greatly increase the difficulty level of unauthorized access. Cisco, 3Com, Linksys, etc.

      But I agree with you. I do tech support for 802.11b products, and the vast majority of our users just don't use encyrption and leave everything in default mode. They don't change the SSID, they broadcast said SSID and set access levels to ANY, simply because they won't take the 5 minutes to setup MAC Access Control and 128-bit WEP.

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    8. Re:I don't understand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that you don't have to splice a wire to get access IS a huge security problem. The administrator no longer has control of a discrete number of network interfaces. There can be any number of clients in any area convered by the transceivers. In a wired network, you might be able to tap into an existing cable, but how many script-kiddys carry around splicing equipment with their laptops?

      Rather than forcing the user to go to the network, in wireless, the network goes to the user. That's an innate loss of control for a network admin.

    9. Re:I don't understand. by c_g_hills · · Score: 1

      Physical access to a port does not guarantee access. For a start the port must be on the correct vlan of the network you want to access. Also, the port may be disabled, or set to secure mode, in which only learned hardware may make use of it.

    10. Re:I don't understand. by SlashdotMirrorer · · Score: 0

      Perhaps this article could change your mind on the subject. It's pretty scary.

    11. Re:I don't understand. by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 3, Interesting


      Someone can have "wired equivalent" access to your network from possibly miles away using a good antenna, so physical security is irrelevant.


      This is something that doesn't seem to get a lot of attention. Even if you're using a rather low powered device, it is still fairly difficult to be sure of exactly where your signal is ending up or who is able to pick it up (which leads in to a discussion about directional antennas, I suppose).

      Another point is that its very difficult to tell who is using a wireless network. With the conventional network it ultimately involves someone being reasonably obvious about having plugged a cable in to a drop. With wireless it could be the guy outside in the park with his laptop or a sniffer sitting in a car in the parkinglot. Or someone in an office building blocks away using the right kind of antenna (as pointed out previously). Sniffing / attacking a wireless network involves considerably less risk than a conventional wired network.
    12. Re:I don't understand. by The_K4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or they just don't read the info that came with the wireless router on HOW to. There are a great many home users who buy these things, plug them into the wall and their DSL/Cable modem, add a wireless card to their PC or laptop and start surfing, They have no idea WHAT a SSID is let alone why they should change it!

    13. Re:I don't understand. by EinarH · · Score: 1
      What is so fundamentally different about 802.11 from other forms of networking that is making it so hard to secure?
      It's the simplicity.
      Anyone who can open a Internet Explorer window can instal, configure and "secure" a 802.11 device or network.
      Even my aunt, who don't understand anything about computers managed to get her new SMC Barricade Turbo Wireless up and running with Win2k. (She forgot to enable the 256-bit WEP, but I did that for her.)
      This means that there a tons of peolpe out there without any understanding about what they are really doing.

      Yup, you can call me an elitist, but the fact is that most people are really stupid when it comes to network security.

      Imagine the caos if someone came up with a new invention, electrical power transfered through the air:
      "The wireless and easy home setup of yor own power network. Connect all your electrical devices to this new and easy(again) power grid(buzzword compliant.)"

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    14. Re:I don't understand. by ShooterNeo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Its all about convenience. The barrier to entry in any security system always affects how many individuals actually try to break in. For instance, a moderately reinforced steel door is dramatically more secure than a plate glass window, even though both can be trivially defeated by anyone with the knowledge. This is because there is so much lower a barrier to entry with the window that a much larger proportion of the populance will be tempted.

      In a similar manner, open wireless networks can usually be used to grant free internet access without doing anything but hanging near the building. Special antennae can be even used to grant one near perfect anonymity and immunity to prosecution. Wired network break-ins require physical access to key wiring somewhere, and the commission of a much more obvious and deliberate crime. (by contrast, most 802.1 war-drivers probably think of it more as walking into a building uninvited when they find the door left cracked open)

      Sneaking around a building with a toolkit looking for network cable seems incredibly stupid and dangerous, an almost certain way to end up in jail eventually. It would only be worth even considering if the rewards were immense. By contrast, if one sits at a cafe/van with a laptop one can just power it up and run a few programs and sometimes break into a nearby network with little to no effort but a few clicks. And if one can snoop into a few internal network files, maybe read some mail, so much the better.

    15. Re:I don't understand. by Shalda · · Score: 1

      40 bit WEP is effectively worthless. I use 40 bit WEP because my Linksys card won't speak to my D-Link access point on 128 bit WEP. My neighbor, a security professional (totally out of my league), has boasted that he could hack my network in as little as 15 minutes. I called him an amature and pointed out that he could walk in my unlocked back door and totally 0wnz me in less than 30 seconds.

      I say this to illustrate the real insecurity of a wireless network: there's no physical access restriction. I once worked at a university computer lab. When we changed from hubs to switches, 99% of our intrusions vanished as bored/mischevious CS students could no longer sit and sniff each others info from the network. Turning off telnet helped quite a bit as well.

    16. Re:I don't understand. by alkali · · Score: 2, Informative
      WEP is also wayyyyyy weak.

      Well, no. It's not as strong as it could be or ought to be, but someone has to sniff and crunch your packets for a good long time (there's a spam subject line if I ever heard one) to break WEP.

      This site suggests that you need the packet traffic generated by 500 person-hours of heavy network usage to break WEP. I use my network about 10 hours a week. Accordingly, if I change my password once every few months -- that is, once every 100-200 hours of network use -- I avoid the nightmare scenario of someone printing 500 copies of goat-man to my color printer.

      If anyone has any information that suggests WEP is weaker than that, I'd be happy to hear about it.

    17. Re:I don't understand. by Tim+Doran · · Score: 1

      hmm... but when there are many users sharing an access point (and WEP key), you can very quickly generate enough traffic to crack WEP.

      So corporations still need to rotate their keys on a daily/weekly basis to protect this layer of security. Pain in the ass...

    18. Re:I don't understand. by afidel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's why Cisco's LEAP uses per user WEP keys that are rotated at a user defined interval (the default is every couple hours I believe). Add to that TKIP which ensure that playback attacks can't be used (it hashes the packet with the time and attaches the hash) and Cisco's implementation is pretty darn secure. For the most paranoid of customers they still recomend vpn concentrators between the wireless and wired lans but I personally don't see much use for em in 90+% of installations.

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    19. Re:I don't understand. by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Today I was on a training course at a major software supplier which shall remain nameless for reasons to be discussed below.

      Unfortunately there was no internet access in the training room

      Fortunately my Mac told me there was a wireless lan.

      Unfortunately it was encrypted

      Fortunately the password needed was the name of the company

      Unfortunately there was no DHCP server so I'll have to guess an IP address, router and DNS server in order to get arrested for unauthorised use of their LAN.

      But the main thing was, my first attempt at social engineering worked.

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    20. Re:I don't understand. by archen · · Score: 1

      From all the articles I've read on wireless security, 15 minutes sounds about right for 40 bit. 128 bit is only good for about a max of about 3 days against bruit force. So in otherwords both 40 and 128 bit are pretty much worthless.

      Basically from everything I've gathered is that wireless encryption is only good for a minimal wrapper. The only good way to secure a wireless network is to put an accesspoint in a DMZ and only allow clients to connect via a VPN that has real security. In otherwords treat wireless like the internet, because they're probably both just as dangerous but from different directions.

    21. Re:I don't understand. by Build6 · · Score: 1

      I've got a question.

      As far as I can tell the Cisco solution, though it works, is mucho expensive. You require Cisco-only hardware, not just access points, but also Cisco client radios, so you have to kit out all the users with new PCMCIA cards etc. if you want everyone to use LEAP (well, unless they're using Macs, since Apple seems to have come to some arrangement with Cisco that allows their Lucent/Agere/whateverthey'recallednow-originating Airport cards to connect to LEAP networks. Does anyone have any information about people getting their WaveLAN/Orinoco/Avaya cards connecting to LEAP networks? I've tried using one of these cards with a PowerBook, *although* they're identified as Airport cards and have no problems when used to connect with non-LEAP networks, they just don't seem to work with LEAP however).

      Notwithstanding the hardware expenditure alone, there's also software - the only LEAP implementations I know about all use the Cisco wireless server software which is both fairly pricey (I am not making a judgement as to "value for money" here, I'm just saying the sticker price is not insignificant), *on top of which* it also requires Win2k Server running underneath it providing domain controller services etc. (unless there's some UNIX-based version of the Cisco server I don't know about. Anyone enlighten me?). So, as far as I know, you have to pay for the hardware, you have to pay for the software, and you have to pay for the OS. Is there any option for taking the last two out of the equation? Can you get LEAP (or LEAP-equivalents, are there any?) to work on, say, BSD with some kind of RADIUS server?

    22. Re:I don't understand. by afidel · · Score: 1

      From what I understand Cisco is working on getting others to support LEAP, they want to get out of the client card business. (I haven't worked with them in about 4 months so this might not be true now but last I knew it was). Also there is in fact at least on UNIX RADIUS server that works as the backend server for LEAP. Just call up your local Cisco rep and ask them about it, if they don't know about it then they can find out through their channels.

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    23. Re:I don't understand. by Build6 · · Score: 1

      Ah, great, thanks.

      BTW - Cisco's getting out of the client card business?? Hrm... in that case won't their purchase of Linksys mean it's another right-hand-doesn't-know-what-left-hand-is-doing kind of situation?

    24. Re:I don't understand. by afidel · · Score: 1

      Like I said that was 4 months ago, what they are doing now after the aquisition I'm not sure (heck Linksys might have been a partner pre-merger). I just know that due to the high cost of design and manufacture of the Cisco/Aironet clients they were looking for partners to produce client cards with LEAP support. Now that they own a cheap client card manufacturer this may have changed, but one things for sure they will not have the top of the line all the features and extra super range cards that they have in the past. The enterprise customers just don't seem to care, they want cheaper and they want security, range and other features be damned.

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  4. 802.11 by sickboy_macosX · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I have a hard time that 802.11 will ever be super secure. Just because all you need is a laptop a antennae and some good skills to break into a WaveLan, Hewlett-Packard still keeps their Wirless Network open, and I know of several others. So, Until a largescale hack on these systems happens then MAYBE will people get the Idea that 802.11 coiuld be secured better,. That and alot of people have not moved to WLAN yet, just because of the cost of the equipment, and the maitnence and configuration. is not really the easiest thing in the book. So even though I do use it at home, I still refuse to use it on a widescale level..

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    1. Re:802.11 by red_dragon · · Score: 1

      Even worse, we can't get everyone to learn to spell correctly. Absolutely awful, indeed!

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    2. Re:802.11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is not manufacturer's default configurations. Simply placing your WAPs outside your firewall eliminates the unique security issues of 802.11, with the exception of bandwidth leeching by, reasonably, one or two people at a time. A minimal amount of configuration will keep all but a seasoned engineer off your AP. Besides, you wired security should be your concern for how to keep intruders out of your computers -- 802.11's security or lack thereof should be irrelevant. Case in point, if you let someone call in to a VPN over the net, you have potentially roughly 10,000 miles minus 500 feet more security concerns than if you have a WAP.

    3. Re:802.11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do u mean by a largescale hack?
      Is someone going to drive around the entire world hacking? .. I suppose they could fly.

    4. Re:802.11 by slashnik · · Score: 1
      Just because all you need is a laptop a antennae and some good skills to break into a WaveLan

      Shouldn't that be all you need is a laptop an antennae and some good skills to break into an unsecured Wavelan

      There is plenty that you can do on existing WLANS to lock down access, disable broadcast SSID, enable WEP,use MAC ACL's within the access point and even treat the WLAN as an insecure LAN and VPN tunnel through to the LAN. On top of this the latest kit gives you 802.1x Access control and WPA encryption and EAP authentication.

      It may therefore take a little more than good skills to break into a well administered modern WLAN

      moog

  5. You failed... and we lost! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  6. Personally... by ike6116 · · Score: 1

    I leave my home network open on purpose. If passerby's want to check they're email or something be my guest. I use Linux and Mac OS X I fear not the script kiddy ;)

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    1. Re:Personally... by dinivin · · Score: 3, Insightful


      What if one of your neighbours decides to leach child porn off the net using your wireless network? Should they think of themselves as your guest?

      Dinivin

    2. Re:Personally... by binaryDigit · · Score: 1

      I leave my home network open on purpose. If passerby's want to check they're email or something be my guest. I use Linux and Mac OS X I fear not the script kiddy ;)

      Then I hope you don't live in New Hampshire. With the burden of securing networks falling upon the network owner, and the propensity of the law to look unfavourably at those who "facilitate" illegal behaviour (think bars and party hosts in relation to drunk driving), I would think that it would very well be worth applying some amount of security, no matter how token, just to CYA.

    3. Re:Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I log all access, so if they find some good pics, that saves me the trouble of having to find them myself. Less searching, more jacking :) ike6116

    4. Re:Personally... by eodmightier · · Score: 1

      That is a great outlook, share what you have and we need more people like that but what happens when someone decides to launch an attack from an open AP, release a virus into the wild, download kiddie pr0n, etc.

      Again I think it is awesome you are sharing out your connection to the public and offering a service but just watch out for someone who will abuse it.

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    5. Re:Personally... by L.+VeGas · · Score: 1

      This is a good way to mask your own evil actions.

      "No officer, it wasn't me. It must have been someone using my network."

    6. Re:Personally... by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      The law in most places doesn't care, it was your network, it was your responsibility.

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    7. Re:Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Then use someone else's insecure network.

    8. Re:Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so you admit you jack off to child porn?

    9. Re:Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure, and your son is one sexy mofo

    10. Re:Personally... by ike6116 · · Score: 1

      Well if that were to happen, which I highly doubt but can't rule out, The evidence would lead them to my IP, but when they didn't find it on any of my Hard drives, they would see I have a wireless network and would be able to catch my neighbors, and that would be one less sicko roaming free, so really, I'd be doing the world a favor ;)

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    11. Re:Personally... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
      I leave my home network open on purpose. If passerby's want to check they're email or something be my guest.

      And your address is...?

      (For the next time I want to run KaZaA and let the RIAA knock on your door.)

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    12. Re:Personally... by dinivin · · Score: 1


      Nice try... After they took all your computer equipment and made your life a living hell for a few months, they might finally decide they had the wrong guy. However, due to your reckless nature with your wireless network, the person downloading kiddy porn could have been parked in front of your house for all you know, and gotten away with it.

      Dinivin

  7. Ugly cables... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    for the purposes of in-house customer training in a cosmetically clean room (wires are ugly)

    Power, keyboard, and mouse cables are less ugly than Ethernet?

    1. Re:Ugly cables... by rusty0101 · · Score: 1

      What, you haven't seen those wireless keyboards and mice?

      Personally I would love to see a computer training room where all of 12 or 24 computers are all using wireless keyboards and mice. I would love to see the expression on the administrators face when the mice and keyboards are all randomly moved from one workstation to another, mouse a to system b, keyboard a to system c. a, b and c, randomly allocated.

      Of course all of these systems are using integrated displays, with internal battery systems, and everyone checks out the computer from it's re-charger as they sign in to class.

      Hey, no wires, and concurrently, no training. (too expensive, to cumbersom.)

      -Rusty

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  8. We reward WiFi makers for a job badly done by Neil+Watson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It really bothers me that we reward the makers of such a flawed system by buying their products. How can we expect WiFi to improved if we buy it now matter how bad it is?

    1. Re:We reward WiFi makers for a job badly done by binaryDigit · · Score: 1

      If we only bought computer products that worked without flaws we'd still be using typewriters right now.

    2. Re:We reward WiFi makers for a job badly done by crazyphilman · · Score: 1

      But if we don't buy into it, and at least TRY to make something useful and semi-secure out of it, it'll die off as a technology. Think of all the really cool things that companies have tried to market over the years, but which quietly dried up because of a lack of consumer interest. One thing leaps to mind: the laserdisk of the early eighties. And, another: vector displays like in the old Vectrex video game.

      If it dies off, it's gone and no company will take a chance on it. If we keep it alive long enough, it might morph into something really cool.

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    3. Re:We reward WiFi makers for a job badly done by theophilus00 · · Score: 1

      I don't see how the system is all that flawed. 802.11 is a physical layer which uses radio waves. Obviously, radio broadcasts are insecure, but the primary design goal here is Wireless. It is true that WEP and others have flaws, but these are merely protocols which have been and will continue to be improved upon and implemented in the same relatively solid 802.11 physical layer.

      Some music should never be aired, but that doesn't mean FM radios are bad products. Make better music.

      cheers

    4. Re:We reward WiFi makers for a job badly done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It bothers me more that we reward complete morons with no expectation (or possession) of any depth of knowledge whatsoever concerning the technology they are buying by feeding their ignorance on /. supporting their ridiculous expectations of $100 products combined with their truly paranoid level of concern for their respective porn and mp3 collections that scarcely require the level of security usually reserved for nuclear weapons which they so clearly believe is necessary to secure that and their emails to mom and dad.

      Hell, it would be easier to covertly install said $100 WAP in a target business than bother trying to hack an existing one. If the business in question has the security in place to detect rogue WAPS, chances are hacking WEP keys is a fruitless endeavour anyway.

      BAH, humbug.

  9. Did they discuss "all in one" wireless routers? by King_TJ · · Score: 5, Informative

    I recently was paid to get a wireless network working (as well as fix some shared Internet connectivity problems in general) for a client.

    When I arrived, I found out the client had everything running through a Belkin firewall/router device with built in 802.1g wi-fi. (It was attached to an external DSL modem via ethernet cable.)

    It struck me that unless I'm missing something, these combo wi-fi bases/routers are inherently limiting in how much security they can offer the user. (EG. You can't really place the wireless clients behind some sort of a VPN tunnel with authentication if the other end of the wi-fi connection is managed by integrated firmware in the router itself, right?)

    I ended up enabling 128-bit WEP for the guy, as well as disabling "broadcasting" of the existance of the router/w-fi base, but couldn't see much else to do beyond those measures.

    1. Re:Did they discuss "all in one" wireless routers? by rusty0101 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      essid and mac limiting would be helpful. disable dhcp serving on the router, and provide it at a server, with the network not participating in the internal network, except to a security server that requires a ssh session to route traffic elsewhere in the network, then only out the gateway to the Internet.

      That's just a start. You can require rsa key ssh tunnels into the security server for the WiFi attached device, which implements a VPN to provide access to your own network for authorized users.

      Obviously there are more options, but if you want to provide a secure sollution for your client, this would be a good start. Adding a security and dhcp server would also provide for better income potential.

      -Rusty

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    2. Re:Did they discuss "all in one" wireless routers? by FiDooDa · · Score: 1

      You can always do some MAC adress filtering and don't forget to change the default admin password (or add one if there isn't one).

      Personnally, I don't like having those base stations directly on the Internet. That's why I keep them behind my Firewall (usually OpenBSD). Then you can add authpf functionnality to limit Internet access only to your authenticated users.

    3. Re:Did they discuss "all in one" wireless routers? by OtaconX · · Score: 1

      You could probably enable MAC address filtering, too :-)

    4. Re:Did they discuss "all in one" wireless routers? by Malc · · Score: 1

      MAC filtering isn't guaranteed to be secure either. Many NICs allow changing of the MAC address in software. I just have to snoop out your MAC address - apparently some systems send it unencrypted. For the ones that send it encrypted, I will have get your key first. Search on Google, you will find an explanation far better than mine.

    5. Re:Did they discuss "all in one" wireless routers? by billimad · · Score: 2, Interesting

      2 separate security issues. Firstly there is the security of the internet connection. This is why the default values of the router should be changed (ESSID, password, enabling WEP, MAC filters). The second issue is the security of your internal network where a further level of encryption and authenication should take place. it's one thing to give someone free internet but you don't want them accessing your private information.

  10. Wireless security is relatively easy... by ites · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You just have to treat any wireless network segment as insecure and pass any traffic from it through your firewall as you would for internet traffic.

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  11. 802.11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Interesting. We can get a man to mars. We are now a matter of months from curing almost every known disease via un diferiantiated cells and some protiens.

    But we can't create a united task force to spread wireless broad band across my blood back yard?

  12. warning! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Make sure to read the errata at the o'reilly website. A friend of mine read the book, and used it as a guide to set up 802.11 security on OS X. He got nailed due to a couple of missing steps.

    otherwise, it's a good book.

  13. Another review... by Hanashi · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I reviewed this a while ago on my site. In case you're interested in a slightly different take, check it out here.

    Quick take: ehh. It's good for small, Unix savvy sites, but windows shops or large installations should probably look elsewhere.

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    1. Re:Another review... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks a lot asshole. I'm just glad that no one else here saw that picture. Fucking sick. You think you're so clever redirecting to gay porn. Well FUCK YOU!!!!!!

    2. Re:Another review... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      confucius say, those who see gay porn where there is none have a secret desire to walk on other side of road

  14. simple key to wireless security? by smd4985 · · Score: 1

    Before you exchange data with another host, simply use Diffie-Hellman to get a symmetric key and then encrypt/decrypt all your communications. I thought SSL solved this problem ages ago.....

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    1. Re:simple key to wireless security? by rusty0101 · · Score: 1

      That presumes that every tool you intend to use, has support for SSL built in, or you are proxying all traffic across an SSL encrypted link.

      Is this do-able? Sure.

      Is this widely documented as a simple general solution for all operating systems that support WiFi connectivity? I don't think so. If so, is it cross platform? Again, I am not aware of any, but then I have not done any research papers on this topic.

      Then again, I could be wrong. It's happened before, and I expect it will happen again.

      -Rusty

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  15. skip the book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    This book ignores OS X (even though 802.11 originated with Apple!) and Windows. Considering 99% of 802.11 is windows/macintosh, that should tell you something about this book.

    Basically, you're left with a security HOWTO for linux with some BSD thrown in.

    Given O'Reilly's publishing record lately, I'm wondering if the golden years of must-have books was just a fluke.

    1. Re:skip the book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does NOT ignore OS X. Go read the book.

  16. wireless security by knightinshiningarmor · · Score: 5, Informative

    I hate it when people say wireless is so incredibly insecure. It's true that the wireless signals can easily be picked up by anyone. It's also true that one can pick up radiation from cables to sniff packets on your "secure wired network."

    The solution is to not rely on the hardware encryption of your card and hub. Instead, use encrypted streams for all communications from your laptop. Use SSH, never use telnet (that should be common sense). If you just do that, then you don't have to worry about someone sniffing your packets because they are encrypted (and if they're also hardware encrypted you have some nice double-encryption). Also, you could easily set up an ssh tunnel to your router for the http protocol or whatever else you need. That way you have the security through the air. Anything after that is subject to wires on the internet, which like I said before, give off measurable radiation.

    In short, just remember to always use software encryption and not rely on the hardware encryption of your wireless devices. Simples as that.

    1. Re:wireless security by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 2, Funny

      and if they're also hardware encrypted you have some nice double-encryption

      That's what I thought, but then someone cracked my rot13. I swear, if double-encrypted rot13 isn't secure, nothing is.

    2. Re:wireless security by ErikTheRed · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, but how many organizations are using WLANS for ssh? Most of them are running Win9x LANs with file and printer sharing (and usually without password protection). These are about as secure as.... ummm... never mind, they aren't secure at all. And yes, it is theoretically possible to sniff data through cables, but it's several orders of magnitude more difficult and expensive and requires physical access to the facility (or at least being near a wall with a cable going through it).

      802.11 sniffing and cracking WEP codes (for the less than 5% of sites that even bother turning on WEP) is trivial skr1pt-k1dd13 stuff, can be accomplished for less than $200, and from several miles away.

      So, in short, for a savy *nix (or even Windoze) admin / user, wireless can be used in a reasonable secure manner. But you have to keep in mind that this represents less that 0.001% of the wireless users out there. Therefore, wireless security is a massive timebomb of a problem.

      Remember: your average small- to medium-sized businesses and home users usually have inexperienced people administering their networks. I hate when people assume that just because experts can get it to work it means that a product or service is "fine." :)

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    3. Re:wireless security by RollingThunder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I believe you're overlooking the case of network abuse.

      We had our DSL turned off with no warning, and apparently it was due to somebody trying to spam/attack the MSN Gaming Zone boards.

      When tracked back, it appears to have been a laptop with a wireless card, that was reconfigured to bridging - turning it into an open WAP.

      At no time did the intruder do anything to any of our systems... but it still caused us major grief for a day!

    4. Re:wireless security by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Apart from all the other reasons given above, it is also much easier to snoop a wireless lan than an ordinary lan since your laptop probably comes with all the necessary hardware built in (i.e. wireless card). To snoop a normal ethernet you probably need some sort of really expensive radio receiver and software (well expensive by comparison with a wavelan card).

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    5. Re:wireless security by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

      The wireless threat model is more complicated than just passive eavesdropping.

      For example, what if someone drives by and sets up an access point with the same name as yours? Then you'd have all the clients authenticating to your intruder.

      You'd need to make sure you had 2-way authentication going on, and tunnel everything through ssh or ipsec or whatever.

  17. 802.11 isn't secure, but... by mattbee · · Score: 3, Informative

    We used 802.11 to make a secure office home network, and like any insecure medium for IP, you can secure it against sniffing by layering a secure tunnelling protocol on top of it. This probably wasn't necessary since most sensitive information goes over ssh or SSL connections anyhow, but the way to do it is to use a encrypted network device tunnelling driver thingy.

    I'm used to CIPE and like it because it has a Windows NT/2K/XP implementation as well as a Linux module. VTUN does much the same job, is slightly easier to set up, although instead of a Windows driver, runs on Solaris and various BSDs. We used the latter to make a link between mine & my partner's house and managed to use the Linux bridging features to bridge his home wireless network to the office ethernet-- the bridge is over a vtun interface which sits on top of the 802.11 link between our office and his house. Complicated but it seems to work :)

    Anyone else have a similar setup? I'd be interested to know how to grow this kind of setup manageable (not that we have a need for it, but ... )

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  18. securing the medium (Re:I don't understand.) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Securing wireless networks has to deal with all the issues of wired networks, in addition to the fact that the transmission medium has to be secured.

    With wired networks you can make assumptions that the wire is (relatively) secure against tapping. Even more so with fibre.

    Although it is possible to tap Cat5, it's not as easy as with wireless.

    This book allows you to to "secure" (nothing is perfect) the transmission medium to that you can start worrying about other attacks.

  19. Very useful resource by masonbrown · · Score: 1

    I've read it and am using the information as a basis for developing a wireless security (yeah I know it's never completely secure) solution. If nothing else, it's a centralized resource explaining the major protocols and issues involved. It gives you a great overview of which avenues to explore, and then take it to a test environment and see what works for you......

  20. I just wrote a book on 802.11 security: Here it is by Nick+Driver · · Score: 2, Funny

    There is no such thing as viable security with 802.11. Get over it.

    That's it, the whole book, two sentences, and it's free for the public domain.

  21. wires are ugly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    implementing a wireless network at the office for the purposes of in-house customer training in a cosmetically clean room (wires are ugly)

    Yes, but TUMORS are more ugly. For a little extra work when installing them, you will never see the wires. There are a lot of products out there to help hide wires.

    1. Re:wires are ugly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call any installation with ugly visible wires an incomplete one for which the contractor should not be paid, unless the customer wanted it that way.

      It should be no uglier than a telephone jack.

      And, of course, if your hub/switch is your ugly problem, get a crimping tool and make your own custom-length cables.

  22. High cover price to page ratio by Helevius · · Score: 1
    Thank goodness you can buy this book for $22.01, with free shipping from buy.com. O'Reilly says the book has 192 pages. At a cover price of $34.95, that's over 18 cents per page. For $22.01, though, you're spending less than 12 cents per page.

    Compare that to one of O'Reilly's best books, Building Internet Firewalls, with a cover of $49.95 and 890 pages -- less than 6 cents per page. buy.com has it for $31.47, dropping the ratio to less than 4 cents per page!

    O'Reilly books seem to be the most expensive around, yet I think their ability to charge so much has been eroded by good books from other publishers.

    Helevius

    1. Re:High cover price to page ratio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I picked up "Building Internet Firewalls" from the clearance table at my local MicroCenter for about $5 two days ago. I though it was on clearance because it was an old version, but it appears to be the current one (2nd edition).

  23. A nuisance in corporate LANs by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We haven't done any 802.11 here for a garden variety of reasons, but security coupled with usability is one of them. Everything I've read seems to emphasize putting your 802.11 infrastructure on a DMZ-type segment and requiring some kind of VPN connection to gain access to the Internet and internal network.

    The simple implementation of this just puts the 802.11 network on the outside of the firewall, using whatever existing VPN infrastructure you have to gain internal access. The downside to this is the set of people with "anywhere" VPN access is a minimally overlapping subset of the people who should have 802.11 VPN access. ..which always leads me to the seperate VPN infrastructure for 802.11 solution, which is more expensive and complicated to setup and maintain.

    And then I'm left with the usability/training issue, explaining to people (lusers, help desk, etc) why the VPN connection is necessary and other sundry details of usage.

    And then there's equipment. It makes no sense to equip all ~100 laptops that don't have 802.11 with 802.11 cards for the few conference rooms that would get it.

    It looks fun, but there's so much baggage associated with it I can't see it happening in these economic times..

    1. Re:A nuisance in corporate LANs by bitslinger_42 · · Score: 1

      <sigh> I deal with this argument practically every day. Yes, security is inconvenient, but how inconvenient was it for Microsoft to have part of its codebase stolen by a hacker who got in through a poorly-implemented VPN solution? How inconvenient will it be for a doctor's office (in the USA) to explain to the Feds that they didn't pass HIPAA and lost patient AIDS treatment data because they thought that doing IPSec was too hard?

      The simple fact is that there are often very few REAL business cases for wireless in the corporate environment short of "Gee, wouldn't it be cool if I could pick up my laptop, walk into the conference room, and not have to log off of my email and IM session?" When compared to the user convenience vs. protecting vital corporate assets question, in my book, I don't even see the value of 802.11 in the first place.

    2. Re:A nuisance in corporate LANs by swb · · Score: 1

      I deal with this argument practically every day.

      Work in advertising, too? :)

      One of the compromise solutions we thought of was putting in base stations with adjustable radio power and turning the power so far down that the base station wasn't usable outside the conference room. We're high in an office building and the rooms that would get it are in the middle of the stack with numerous metallic surfaces between us and "them", so this might actually work.

      Except that it reduces the functionality to not needing a drop cable in the conference room, making it kind of a waste of money.

    3. Re:A nuisance in corporate LANs by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Maybe you'd get a better response if you're approach was "wouldn't it be funny if some hacker broke into the network and Emailed everybody a copy of the companies pay rates!"

      I work in a dental office, and the Dr. likes the cool factor of WiFi, and he's impulsive enough that the ability to move any computer anywhere at a whim is appealing to him. I've argued that wireless isn't HIPPA complieant and all that too. Durring the last re-model,10 yrs ago, I dropped cat5e cable everywhere concievable, after all that he got cheap on me and would spring for a patch panel which would have made changes so much easier. Next re-model lots of cat6 cable should be going into the treatment rooms, I'm thinking computerized charting, digital photography and X-rays, he'll want to stuff all that through a single wap.

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  24. One word: by slimsam1 · · Score: 1

    Laptop.

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    1. Re:One word: by Xformer · · Score: 1

      Or a laptop that is on a different floor than the wired network. In that case, wireless is invaluable compared to stringing cat5 between floors. Even if I install wall jacks for the latter, I'm still tethered to that wall jack.

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    2. Re:One word: by jo42 · · Score: 1
      > Laptop

      Five finger discount...!

  25. But that's only half the isssue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How would you like it if some one walked into your home and plugged his laptop into your DSL connection. If you've got WiFi, then he does not even need to get into your house.

    It's not just security of the boxes on your network, it's the security of the resourses that your network connects to.

    1. Re:But that's only half the isssue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Not only that, but they have an entry point from which to hammer away at your network. You just don't make it easy for someone to connect to your LAN and start scanning for vulnerabilities.

      The OP is a bonehead.

  26. I leave my 802.11 network wide open! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I even have public SMB shares with 104 GB of porn, for my neighbors and passersby to download.

    1. Re:I leave my 802.11 network wide open! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you leave your anus wide open too?

    2. Re:I leave my 802.11 network wide open! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, we don't want to see your anus anymore.

  27. Re:Americans! by BubbaTheBarbarian · · Score: 1

    Hmmmmmmmm.....

    SO dicussing a meaningless tech issue that directly related to our abilty to do our jobs and keep them so that we can pay taxes in first is a worthless pursuit.

    Got it.

    Now go back to screwing your sheep, drinking your cheap beer and smoking your Russian gutter weed.

    "Bastard operators don't win...anyone can win...Bastard operators win and totally demoralize...that is REAL winning."
    -The BOFH

  28. Not to hard to secure by bleh-of-the-huns · · Score: 1

    Creating a secure WiFi enviroment is not hard. So waht, you are broadcasting everything over the air to anyone within range. Big deal, with a few precautions and some know how, you can easily secure the wireless network.

    Put the AP itself on a port of its own on the firewall (not on of those cheap appliances, but something that will do nat/ipsec/ip firewalling).
    Do not use DHCP, disable broadcasting so that for someone to connect to the network they have to actually know it is there.

    Use ipsec to connect the clients to the firewall, and have the firewall block ALL traffic coming from the wireless network, except traffic from specific IP's, use static addressing and natting, not dynamic (all this traffic should be encapsulated using ipsec). You can use wep which is almost completely useless for an added bonus.

    ie.. Internet gateway/firewall AP (on dedicated port on firewall) wireless clients.

    Using IPsec, who cares if anyone sniffs the traffic off the network, it will take them years to decrypt it if you use ipsec. They may still be able to connect to your network, but the firewall is dropping the traffic as it is not encrypted, and your dropping all traffic from all ip's other then those clients you permit at the firewall. The wep would just encapsulate the ipsec, and give a minor added bonus.

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  29. Unauthenticated layer 2 by PureFiction · · Score: 4, Informative

    Even though people can still war drive (or even war fly) and find your access points, even if they managed to crack the WEP keys and associate to the AP, the network will still be secure because of the multiple layers that have been put in place.

    Actually, layer2 is completely unauthenticated, so anyone can associate with your access point using no key or the wrong key. IP and above will get dropped however.

    The lack of an authentication mechanism in the 802.11b MAC leaves a number of nasty weaknesses that can be exploited by malicious persons.

    Denial of service (forged disassociation) and active man-in-the-middle attacks (using higher signal and forged BSSID/SSID) continue to remain possible in even the latest security extensions to 802.11.

    I'm surprised no mention was made of IDS systems that can detect and respond in real time to 802.11 layer 2 attacks (and other higher level IDS checks on the IP traffic), although even these are of limited utility ...

  30. OT: Rewarding buggy design by swb · · Score: 1

    I think we've already let the cat out of the bag in terms of accepting poorly designed protocols and buggy software.

    This came to me as I power cycling my cable box (which had crashed) not long after power-cycling my DVD player because it "crashes" during certain disc-change cycles (eg, don't hit OPEN when its inventorying the changer -- it will crash every time).

    I think so many people have already been so exposed to software bugs and things that don't work right, we've come to expect it instead of expecting software products that are fully debugged.

    Now products that are traditionally hardwired logic appliances are becoming more and more software-based and I think the makers already assume they're off the hook and people will accept a certain amount of software screwups to their devices.

    Your complaint is more of a design issue than bad software, but it seems to underscore people's acceptance of bugs and bad design as just part of what happens.

  31. What about finding rouge APs by jj_johny · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Seems that every discussion about 802.x is all about how to set up the legal (approved) network access points up. But the question of how to really protect your network from someone who puts up a rouge AP is really where most security minded folks fail. After all understand WEP and the other stuff that you need to be doing is important but it really does not do much for you if someone has a rouge AP that they only put up on occasion like a meeting or something ie you won't find it unless you are scanning 100% of the time.

    I don't think that most people would be suprised that there is a lot of corporate espionage being done by going down to CompUSA and paying $100 cash for your untraceable security hole.

    1. Re:What about finding rouge APs by Brushfireb · · Score: 0

      This almost seems irrelevant to me. Couldnt someone do the same thing on a wired network? IE -They could split their Cat5 Jack, set up a POS Linksys WAP, and be going in minutes. Rogue access points are a problem regardless of the implemented infrastructure.

    2. Re:What about finding rouge APs by pcraven · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I work at a bank. Recently I asked the security team how they prevent this.

      They set up wireless sniffers at the sites and those packets go to a central monitoring system. So if you put up a WAP, they get alerted and can track you down. They even send out people to practice this to make sure it works.

      If you get caught, you get your walking papers. More than one person has left the bank this way.

    3. Re:What about finding rouge APs by afidel · · Score: 1

      Airmagnet has a number of good solutions for rogue AP detection. I worked with an early edition of their Mobile product and I could figure things out fairly easily even in Cisco Aironet's office which is arguably one of the busiest AP environments in the world (literally hundreds of AP's in one office building). Their product supports not only all the standard .11b stuff but also the Cisco extensions like LEAP.

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  32. (wires are ugly)? by donutz · · Score: 1

    Sure, if you have a tangle of wires, it's not going to look good. But just because you've gotten rid of your CAT-5's doesn't mean you're wire-free. Do you power your PCs and monitors wirelessly? Do you have wireless keyboards, mice, and speakers on all your computers? Heck, you'd need to wirelessly transmit the video signal to your monitors too. Am I missing anything? Well, maybe printers and scanners, PDAs, or any other peripheral you might plug into your computers.

    If you're going wireless just because wires are ugly, I think you've still got a ways to go.

    1. Re:(wires are ugly)? by agallagh42 · · Score: 1

      Let me introduce you to a handy new invention. It's sometimes called a "laptop", or possibly "notebook computer", or sometimes even "portable computer". It has wireless power in the way of a battery, which is usually a collection of Lithium Ion power cells. They generally have integrated keyboards, mice and speakers. Even the monitor is integrated gracefully. Not a single wire. Isn't that cool?

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    2. Re:(wires are ugly)? by donutz · · Score: 1

      Let me introduce you to a handy new invention. It's sometimes called a "laptop", or possibly "notebook computer"

      Hi Laptop. Hi Notebook Computer. How are you? Nice to meet you.

      Seriously though, and I'll admit I'm making an assumption, but the blurb says this room is to be used for "in-house customer training." I'd be willing to bet this room doesn't use laptops but instead desktop PCs. I know I've never worked for a company that has laptops for in-house customer training, and I don't suspect there are many around that do.

      Nice try though.

    3. Re:(wires are ugly)? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, I've worked for three companies that use laptops for training.

      Nice try though.

    4. Re:(wires are ugly)? by Surak · · Score: 1

      I don't think most people are using 802.11 wireless because they think wires are ugly. :)

      But with a laptop running on battery power, you would be completely wireless unless you use an external mouse. Even then you can get a wireless external mouse. But you have to plug the laptop in SOME time. :)

    5. Re:(wires are ugly)? by crawling_chaos · · Score: 1
      What about companies that issue laptops to all of their staff and then tell them to bring their company-issued laptop to training?

      Still, I would bet that your assumption is in fact correct in this instance.

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    6. Re:(wires are ugly)? by donutz · · Score: 1

      nice try coward. I don't doubt there are companies that train their staff on laptops, but somehow, I don't suspect that you work for one.

    7. Re:(wires are ugly)? by afidel · · Score: 1

      I've setup training centers in hotels using wireless and laptops for quite a few companies, I can't see a lot of reasons not to do it for a permanent install (other than cost).

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    8. Re:(wires are ugly)? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      yes wires are ugly, why not wire the phone jacks with cat5 cable, a RJ11 or RJ12 phone jack plug goes right into a RJ45 jack no problem. just run a couple extra cables to each outlet box. IMHO for every electrical outlet, you should also have a least 1 data/voice outlet with 4-6 cables in it; you can connect them in the future.

      when somebody has an office that has bare cat5 cable dangling from the drop ceiling it's ugly and a sign of poor planning or a real cheap-skate

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  33. Re:First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Become and Uncle Fucker
    2. ???
    3. Profit!

  34. ranting on about security is pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    people only care AFTER they have been fucked. (or if they know what they are doing).
    and you can bet your bottom dollar they WON'T be asking you for advice AFTER it's happened.
    Because in there minds, YOU are the perpetrator. and in most cases, you are.

  35. No offense.... by Bearded+Pear+Shaped · · Score: 1

    "Amusingly enough, shortly after the idea of a wireless network at the office came up, I managed to win 802.11 Security in a raffle at the Kernel Panic Linux Users' Group monthly meeting."

    No offense, but you are the most boring person ever

    No wait, second most.

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  36. Just wait for the next version by L.+VeGas · · Score: 3, Funny

    1604.22 is twice as secure as 802.11

  37. I've given up by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Funny
    After using a wireless setup in the house for a couple of years, I've given up on it. The constant security alerts, buggy drivers, dropped connections, and the need to read entire books to understand the security implications is just too much. Plain old ethernet usually just works out of the box, and I can understand the security model.

    I ended up tacking a ethernet cable along the ceiling down to the kitchen. I told the wife that it is just temporary until I drill a hole in the ceiling to run a hidden cable. (I even meant it at the time.)

    Of course, I never got around to that, but it seems she's gotten used to the cable. Another problem solved by procrastination.

  38. Re:Americans! by xchino · · Score: 1

    That's just the old "Get some priorities" troll. Don't bother responding to trolls like this. In fact, why bother responding to AC at all?

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  39. Stunnel by rf0 · · Score: 1

    Stunnel is quite cool for tunneling most types of traffic. Easy to implement and maintain

    Rus

  40. Here's a few basics. by Jerk+City+Troll · · Score: 1
    You do not really need an indepth guide to secure your wireless network. The basics regarding security in this regard are fairly obvious because they have a strong relationship with wired equivalents.
    1. MAC authentication: this is one of the most obvious ways to increase your wireless security. If you deny all machines except those explicitly allowed, you lock out everyone who has not been authorized from using the network. Bear in mind, this does not prohibit sniffing, but this is crutial to making sure your network isn't being pirated. Many wired networks do the same thing. This is analogous to locking your doors so people can't walk in and plug into your network, so this is clearly a first line. This will also help prevent unauthorized to your AP's management software.
    2. Use secure/encrypted protocols: I don't care if you're on a wireless network or not, you should always use ssh over telnet, SSL web sessions, and other secure or encrypted protocols if the data are sensitive (as they always are in the case of remote access). You would not send your root password unencrytped over a wired network, so of course you should not send it unencrypted over your wireless network.
    3. Lock down your AP: I have encountered so many APs that have wide open management consoles. If an attacker can gain control of your AP, she can make life miserable. If you can, make your AP's configuration available only over a wired connection and utilize it's access controls.
    There you have it. Three things, and you have strong security. Really the principles are fundamentally the same as a wired network. The difference in this case is the wires are in the air. Why security principles are not easily translated by most network maintainers is beyond me. With a wired network, it takes more work, but just about anyone can still sniff packets. With a wired network, someone can still plug in and use your line, again with more work. And with a wired network, if someone can get to your managed switch/router, they can wreak havoc.

    Of course with security, always remember the basics. If you don't have a secure foundation, everything else is going to be weak.
    1. Re:Here's a few basics. by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      MAC Authentication is virtually useless, though, in a large orginization. Imagine Fred in marketing gets a new laptop, or new PCMCIA card, and has to spend 3 weeks twiddling his thumbs while some giant confused IT department circlejerks around adding the MAC to the list.

      Security is usually inconvenient, but it doesn't have to be too inconvenient. A wireless AP on a DMZ, with only the ability to VPN into the real network is a good solution.

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    2. Re:Here's a few basics. by Jerk+City+Troll · · Score: 2, Insightful

      MAC Authentication is virtually useless, though, in a large orginization. Imagine Fred in marketing gets a new laptop, or new PCMCIA card, and has to spend 3 weeks twiddling his thumbs while some giant confused IT department circlejerks around adding the MAC to the list.

      Security is usually inconvenient, but it doesn't have to be too inconvenient. A wireless AP on a DMZ, with only the ability to VPN into the real network is a good solution.


      Well, I can say two things here. If they aren't going to concern themselves with security, then they will not get security. It's just that simple. Security does not just happen. You don't get it in a box. It's not one or two mouse clicks. It's thinking about architecture, the pieces involved, and then actually implimenting it. This is very obvious at the company where I work -- everyone except me expected security to happen and it hasn't at all. We just couldn't be troubled with it. Sad. As for a confused IT department... if they have that much trouble adding a MAC address to an authentication list, they need removed and replaced. You don't let unauthorized machines on your network.

    3. Re:Here's a few basics. by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Maintaining an authentication list gets unweildly, if not impossible, when you start having thousands of machines that could possibly access the list. Besides, MACs can be sniffed and spoofed by someone who really wants in.

      I've been up and down this road, since I design records systems for police. They dont have/cant afford a real CDPD or similar wireless infrastructure, yet they want mobile reporting capabilities in the cars. So the solution is a few conveniently placed drive-up 802.11 APs.

      You'd be surprised how little your local police department cares about security. They get really annoyed when I start in about how easy it would be for any joker with a laptop to start messing with their data the way they want it set up. Hell, anyone who knows the DELETE keyword in SQL could clear their warrants and outstanding citations.

      The last thing they want to do is maintain anything. The only solution I could get them to accept is the DMZ/VPN one. There's no route to the real network save through that tunnel, which is locked down tighter than any 128bit WEP joke of an encryption.

      It'd be fun though. I could swear out warrants for people I dont like, complete with authorization to use force because they are known to be armed cop killers and high on PCP. And noone could ever trace it.

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    4. Re:Here's a few basics. by div_2n · · Score: 1

      These three things do not secure a wireless network.

      MAC authentication -- Useless. Period. You can clone a MAC address with very little effort after you sniff a MAC address out of the air using airsnort.

      Secure protocols -- I suppose but that isn't really different from a wired scenario so in essence you haven't added any security precautions. You are only observing the same care you should take in a wired world.

      Lock down your AP -- Based on your description this only prevents access to the management console. It doesn't secure your wireless side at all.

      Try using PPPOE sessions to prevent unauthorized access using CHAP to encrypt passwords.

      Use a VPN tunnel to encrypt your data over the wireless link.

      Finally, use hotspot type technology to prevent any unauthorized users from having access to others on the access point.

      Then you have a secure wireless network.

  41. Re:OT: Rewarding buggy design by stratjakt · · Score: 1

    You get what you pay for.

    Why do you think your APEX DVD changer was so cheap? Cheap components save maybe 20 bucks, but it's the lack of real QA that saves the big cheese.

    I only assume it's an apex because I have an apex changer with the exact same problems, but for 120 bucks and the ability to play MP3, VCD, etc, I'm willing to accept it. For a 400 dollar Sony, I wouldnt, and most would return it to the store.

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  42. Wires are ugly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you think wires are ugly, wait until you see how ugly the blame game turns when someone starts grabbing confidential corporate files through the WAP in your nice clean room...

    802.11b can be secured but it requires a multi faceted approach such as the usage of WEP in addition to access keys and SSH and/or IPSec (in other words it is a pain in the ass to truly secure 802.11b). Unless portability were an absolute nessescity and depending on the nature of your business (re:what kind of IP are you responsible for?), I would just do what was needed to make the wires less visible and deal with it.

  43. Rating: Outdated by sjvn · · Score: 2, Informative

    Now, mind you I like this book too, but it's already out of date. Wi-Fi changes too fast to be captured in a book. For example, WEP has never worked that well even when you try to make the most of it (http://www.80211-planet.com/tutorials/article.php /2106281), but as of a few days ago, WPA (http://www.80211-planet.com/news/article.php/2198 151) finally became available. That said, I still wouldn't write a book about it. Why not? Because by the time a book got into print, WPA, which is only a stopgap, will be replaced by 802.11i. If you want to secure your WiFi network, a book, even this one, is only a start, you really need to keep your nose to the Web sites specialized in WiFi like Glenn Fleishman's Wi-Fi Networking News (http://wifinetnews.com/) and 802.11 Planet.

    Steven

  44. Wires are ugly? by nolife · · Score: 2, Funny

    in a cosmetically clean room (wires are ugly)

    HAHAHA
    Spoken like typical non technical person..

    My last IT manager was so anal about wires it was insane. We averaged 300 drops per communications room coupled with the wires that needed to run into the switches, it was a nightmare. He made us rewire the entire things and neaten up the wires. I'm not a neat freak but I am not a slob either. The way he wanted it done it was impossible to track down any wires or work on any wires without completely undoing the bundles and starting over. He wanted the closer wires to be shorter so they would not have to be looped around the tray so instead of using prefabbed wires we had to cut and crimp our own in roughly 6in increments (some 18in, 24in, 30in etc..) He did not give a crap about the router upgrades we did, the uptime charts we had, the firmware upgrades, the cooling system or the UPS's we installed to keep the equipment running, all he wanted was a clean looking room in case any of his bosses vistited our site and wanted to look around. It was very obvious he could not impress anyone with his technical ability or oversight, so he decided to go the "neat" route.

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  45. Hang on just a moment... by CompVisGuy · · Score: 1

    Whoa! When did we send a man to Mars?

    Whoa! Does this mean that in a few months, all forms of cancer, Alzheimer's disease, CJD, SARS, AIDS and the common cold will be a thing of the past? Those things were giving me the heeby-geebies, but now I guess it's OK to have unprotected sex with a feverish Hong Kong hooker and then chain smoke afterwards.

    I can already get wireless broadband in my back yard -- I didn't need a task force to help me -- RTFM!

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  46. Re:OT: Rewarding buggy design by swb · · Score: 1

    Nice guess on the Apex, yes, it is the AD-700 3-disc changer.

    But strangely that's the only software problem I've had with it. Plays VCD and SVCD really well (from a whole shitpile of encodings) and I've yet to have a crash during playing of a DVD.

    Maybe there's a bad sensor or something that jams it up?

  47. Not as bad as it used to be.... by NetJunkie · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most wireless hardware is a lot harder to crack than it used to be. Vendors got a lot smarter when implementing their IV selection algorithms. Go try and AirSnort a Cisco AP these days. I tried against my .b/.a Linksys AP running the latest firmware (that's the important part) and only got 19 weak IVs after two weeks and GBs, and GBs, and GBs of traffic going across it. I flooded the network so I could see lots and lots of packets.

    That's fine for home use. I'm not so worried about my simple 128bit WEP now. For the office you can go pricey, but good, with something like Cisco LEAP...or you can buy any old AP and do VPN/SSH/Tunnel.

    1. Re:Not as bad as it used to be.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      LEAP is good because it authenticats itself every 30mins. What is missing in the LEAP mix is the man in the middle protection that is possible with this security model.

      EAP-TLS is also another model of security that is ignored when creating wireless networks.

      The cool thing about these aforementioned security types is that they create a per user WEP key.

      Basically, if you are not running a Cisco 1200 or Symbol T3 AP, you're not doing wireless security right.

  48. Rouge APs are Just Like any other Color APs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, did you mean rogue?

  49. Rouge APs want to be found. by embobo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Rouge APs want to be found. Otherwise, why would they be applying cosmetics for coloring the cheeks or lips red? Alas, frequently, due to their garish application of rouge, most APs tend to attract only rogues.

  50. Re:OT: Rewarding buggy design by crazyphilman · · Score: 1

    400 dollar Sony??? I play DVD's on my Playstation II. They cost only 200 bucks, and do double duty as DVD player and video game.

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  51. Re:OT: Rewarding buggy design by stratjakt · · Score: 1

    I have the same unit, I found a firmware update that supposedly fixes some stuff, as well as making it region free. You burn it onto an ISO9660 disc and 'play ' it. I believe I found it on doom9.net.

    I never tried it, so I cant speak for its effectiveness. The glitches I've seen never really bothered me, they amount more to just a clumsy interface and a crappy remote than anything else, but it's never crashed though. Perhaps I have a newer firmware? It might be worth a shot for you to look into it though.

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  52. Another option by webperf · · Score: 1

    is to put your wireless LAN *outside* of your corporate LAN, and force the wireless users to use a VPN (PPTP or IPSec) on their clients to access the corporate internals. that way your not relying on the 802.11b standard at all but on SSH or IPSEC for encryption.

    1. Re:Another option by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Is this actually enough in the general case?

      It has been said "place your wireless network outside the firewall", but I think this is only any good if there is also a firewall between the wireless LAN and the Internet too. Otherwise all the PCs on the wireless LAN are weak spots for a cracker. Compromise a box which has a VPN connection to the corporate LAN and you are effectively inside it.

      I think the same argument applies to any type of VPN connection (such as users at home on a DSL or dial-up) unless all traffic from that box is directed through the VPN.

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  53. if its just one room by m1chael · · Score: 0

    then put them cables in the walls. that way you have the insecurity of cables and the neatness of wireless.

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  54. WEP is NOT useless by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    You can use wep which is almost completely useless for an added bonus.

    WEP is NOT useless. It is a "NO TRESSPASSING" sign. It informs a casual passerby that you INTEND the AP to be private (perhaps saving his time trying to figure out why this particular "open" AP isn't working for him).

    And if your firewall or configuration screws up, or somebody cracks it, it gives you ammunition in court to show that the guy who broke in knew he wasn't supposed to be there.

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  55. Re:OT: Rewarding buggy design by swb · · Score: 1

    I have a couple of the firmware .ISO images floating around. I never bothered with it because (A) it meant disassembly of the unit to figure out which chip it used, and (B) I haven't had an urge/desire/need to play other region discs or disable Macrovision, and (C) I'm scared that if it fubars I'm out a DVD player.

    I think I'll ultimately look for a whole new player here in the next year or so. The APEX MP3 playback is kind of braindead -- there's no shuffle, it often cuts off the beginning if you skip tracks, only 8.3 naming, no remote-based soft power, I think the changer mechanism is slow as hell, audio CD won't shuffle around the CDs, etc.

    I bought it 2+ years ago, and at that time it was a miracle product under $200. At that time most players wouldn't play an audio CD-R let alone a CDRW with MP3s on it.

  56. Re:Americans! by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

    Ok, econ-101 for you: where does tax money come from? Ans: Income, business and sales. Does raising taxes encourage or discourage income and business? Ans: It discourages business (you raise taxes on alcohol and tobacco in order to DISCOURAGE their use, for example). Therefore, the answer is to lower spending, and cut taxes to encourage business, thus generating greater revenue. I know that's incredibly difficult to understand, but you have to realize that level of taxation has an effect on the economy, it's not just dangling out there to either take it or leave it. Greedy overspending governments can get into real trouble during downturns if they do the simple minded thing and stupidly raise taxes, leading to an even worse investment climate which produces even less tax receipts, repeat untill depression. Just look at California, with the dot-bomb bust their tax base was decimated, leaving a huge budget shortfall, enough to make people want to recall the Governor. Should they just simple raise taxes to make up for it? Of course not, they need to RAISE BUSINESS levels and grow their way out of it. Simply raising the tax percentage on what business is left only discourages any businesses for forming and paying taxes. Look at it this way, you have a farm and during a drought year, you don't harvest as much corn as you expected and can't pay for some things you bought when you were expecting a big harvest. What do you do? Probably sell off some things, get out of debt, take a second job - but just running the corn harvester around trying to get more corn won't help (i.e., raising taxes during a trying economic period).

    Ok, so how's that for priorities?

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  57. Securing 802.11 is trivial by RhettLivingston · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't understand why everyone has trouble with it. Stand up a VPN node accepting nothing but your favorite secure VPN protocol (IPSec is fine) on one card and putting your company network on the other. You then connect put your 802.11 routers on the VPN card and configure your 802.11 routers to allow the VPN protocol. You're now secure. Perhaps a DOS attack could make your 802.11 useless (plug an unshielded magnetron into an outlet in the building for example), but your data can't be compromised through it.

  58. Mac Address filtering by renec · · Score: 1

    On my wireless network I use a couple of things which makes me feel fairly confident in the security of my network:

    256 bit encryption
    Hardware Mac Address filtering.

    Its the filtering I find most important, because it stops folks from jumping on my network behind my firewall. I enter the mac addresses of those who are supposed to get access and deny the rest.

    I guess the encryption prevents sniffing, which is nice, but I think anything I would actually care about goes over https or SSH (and I am not a weird tinfoil hat wearing freak who honestly thinks somebody cares to sniff my packets all day hoping to find something interesting, so thats good enough for me). I suppose if somebody really cared and could break the 256 bit encryption it uses, they could sniff out a POP password from a user who has an account on the server and gain access from a wired connection if they knew my internet IP. But I think at this point I'm willing to risk it.

    Some additional security in apersonal sense is that I personally don't use the wireless access, thats for other people in my building - I'm connected with wires :)

  59. Re:128 bit WEP + only vnc port open = secure home by harami · · Score: 1

    I agree. I simply use a 128 bit WEP, open only the vnc port and use vnc with authentication ontop of it for my home wireless n/w. the very nature of vnc adds a lot of noise for the hacker so i think this is farely secure for ur average joe!

  60. You question is addressed in Chapter 1 by tungwaiyip · · Score: 2, Informative

    The phrase "wireless security" is considered by some to be an oxymoron. How can a system with no physical security hope to facilitate secure data transport? Well, with careful planning and configuration, a wireless network can protect itself from many types of attacks and become almost as secure as its wired counterpart. 802.11 can be deployed with various security mechanisms to provide robust, mobile, and hardened network infrastructure.

  61. That's why you have to put the AP before the FW! by leeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you put the AP inside your network, you're an idiot looking for trouble. If you put it outside, it's basically like anyone on the net. You have to treat an AP as insecure! You still need a firewall to allow traffic from the internet or the AP to flow in. Just like you don't want people to "direct connect" to your servers, you have to use an encrypted VPN over your AP (as WEP is crackable if you want and MAC access can be spoofed). If you have problems with security, you can hire me :)

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  62. From my experience... by leeet · · Score: 1

    I've played a bit with these and you're somehow right. Most cheap switches/routers treat the wireless and the LAN as 1 net (which is bad!). So you see everything on all the ports. It's very easy to use "arp poisoning" to fool a cheap switch and become a trusted machine.

    Better wireless switchs have "dual subnets" and this allows you more flexibility by denying access to the insecure subnet. Unfortunately, most home users can't really afford one, or can't justify the price increase.

    Now, home usage and business usage will always differ. You have to weight the value of protecting your data (risk analysis).

    What I recommend for small business, which can be applicable to home as well is to have a firewall right behind your ISP modem and your AP (leave those ports unused - treat as insecure!). Behind the firewall, you can install a cheap 5 ports switch (20-50$). I even tell people NOT to buy one of those multi-purpose switches and rather buy a simple gateway. That way, you can't go wrong by mistakenly hooking a machine on the insecure side. Now make sure the wireless traffic can only connect via an encrypted VPN (easy done with the firewall. Discard anything not going to the right port).

    The major key is to consider an AP just like a connection to the Internet: INSECURE!

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  63. CSH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anybody else here from Computer Science House at RIT? I almost peed myself when I saw that "Potter" and "Fleck" wrote a book together.

  64. Re:Americans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's just the old "This is a troll" troll. Don't bother responding to trolls like this. In fact, why bother responding to xchino at all?

  65. 802.1x has little equipment support? by Freeptop · · Score: 3, Informative

    Okay, so you won't find 802.1x support in your standard el cheapo LinkSys or NetGear AP. In fact, you won't find 802.1x support in any cheap access point. On the other hand, if one does pay for the higher-end access points, pretty much every major vendor supports 802.1x authentication. It is considered a requirement for an access point to be considered an "enterprise" AP. Furthermore, WECA's requirements for WiFi certification this year are adding "WPA", which is a stripped down version of 802.11i, which happens to depend heavily on 802.1x. Any new products after this requirement is added will have to have 802.1x support in order to be "WiFi Certified."
    Believe me, the wireless industry is moving heavily towards 802.1x (I've written two different implementations of 802.1x for two different access point products myself), so it should not be so casually dismissed.

    For those who scoff at wireless security: sure, it probably won't be as secure as locked away wired networks; but 802.11i does at least make it non-trivial to break the security of wireless networks (pairwise session keys on a per-client basis, larger size keys, larger IV space, message integrity checks, etc).

  66. Faraday Cage by osatheist · · Score: 1

    To use my notebook in the backyard, I enclosed my property in a Faraday Cage. Of course, I have to shut everything down if my wife wants to back the car out. :)

  67. Rolls eyes on disbelief... by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Apart from the power cables and the monitor's screen signal I have no cables left on my desktop.

    Keyboard, mouse, printer are all wireless.

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  68. 802.11 Security by fahadshah · · Score: 1

    Try CraniteSystems Wireless Wall Product. Layer Two Encryption.

  69. responsibility and a sanity check. by twitter · · Score: 1
    What if one of your neighbours decides to leach child porn off the net using your wireless network? Should they think of themselves as your guest?

    I'd ask my ISP about that one, but they are all in jail because one or two of their customers decided to download kiddie porn. Oh wait, they are not in jail and neither am I. The core thought of your statement is dangerous. I'm not resoponsible for the actions of others and common carriers should not be either.

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    1. Re:responsibility and a sanity check. by dinivin · · Score: 1


      No one is suggesting you should be.... But how would you like to convince a judge and jury that it wasn't you? After all, they traced it to your IP address, didn't they?

      Dinivin

  70. print services by smartfart · · Score: 1
    I avoid the nightmare scenario of someone printing 500 copies of goat-man to my color printer.

    I get your point, but since wireless places everybody on a big LAN (the same goes for cable modem networks), it is smart to disable file and print sharing on a windows PC. If this isn't practical (the user has several PCs in his apartment and needs to share files and printers, or the WLAN is at an office doing the same), the inner network needs to be behind a firewall.

    Either way, ports 137-139 should be firewalled off, regardless. That goes for anyone, really, whether on a party-line network such as wireless, or dialup or DSL. The old maxim holds true... put up a firewall (http://zonelabs.com if nothing else) and only open holes for the services you want exposed. Micros~1 file and print sharing is definitely not something to share with the rest of the world.