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Sony Vaio GT3/K: You Spilled Your Laptop on my Camcorder

Anonymous Howard writes "This article talks about Sony's new, limited production Vaio GT3/K. It's a mixture of laptop and full fledged camcorder that uses the Transmeta 600mhz Crusuoe chip. Weighing in at 2.4 lbs, this hybrid has an amazing battery life of up to 17 hours, 30 GB drive, ATI Rage Mobility-M1 and 128 MB of RAM, and a swiveling screen. This is definately a very unique device, one that completely blows away Sony's previous attempts of the laptop/video combination machines, mainly due the fact that the video camera is not a wimpy little video lense, but an actual full fledged digital camcorder."

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  1. For similar items... by mr.henry · · Score: 5, Funny

    This looks like something this place would sell. They have all sorts of cool import notebooks and gadgets. The stuff might seem expensive, but just remember all these electronics are going to help you get laid.

    1. Re:For similar items... by Cytos · · Score: 2, Informative

      They did sell this, it is a very old model in Japan and has been on and off ebay for almost a year.

    2. Re:For similar items... by megaversal · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, Dynamism has had this listed for about a year now:

      http://www.dynamism.com/gt3/index.shtml

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    3. Re:For similar items... by iamhassi · · Score: 3, Informative
      "The stuff might seem expensive..."

      Might? They want $2500 for a slimline PC & LCD with a 1.8ghz & 80gigs.

      think that speaks for itself

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  2. Add a little ... by denisbergeron · · Score: 2, Interesting

    DVD Burner and it will be great !

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    1. Re:Add a little ... by frankthechicken · · Score: 4, Funny

      If we're adding accessories, can I add a couple and remove one, take away that keyboard , add a touch screen, put in a mobile phone, and you have something I might be interested in. Oh and make it fit in my back pocket. Sort of like a Ericsson p800 Mark X. That I might be interested, as long as I could whack a version of mame on there, and perhaps a GBA emulator, and maybe a corkscrew.

  3. Hibread? by bc90021 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is that what you'd get from a stoner Subway employee?

    Yeah, we, uh, have this new kinda bread for our sandwiches... it's, uh, got a "special ingredient". We call it "hibread". ;)

  4. Note to Sony Re: combination laptop camera by Bearded+Pear+Shaped · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's called a wire

    You plug it into shit

    This is the technology that allows the internet to be on seperate computers (as opposed to one big one).

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    1. Re:Note to Sony Re: combination laptop camera by evilviper · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The good thing about computers, is the general purpose nature of them allows you to add perhiperals at a fraction of the cost of standalone devices. I can spend $25 on a CD-R drive for a computer, or pay several hundred for a standalone CD-R device.

      This camera has some distince advantages because it is not standalone. However, it seems like they could have done this in a much better way. Just have the guts of a camcorder (that doesn't work on it's own), and have it hook-up to a notebook with a PCMCIA adapter... I don't think Firewire is quite fast enough, but maybe that would be an option, too.

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  5. Um, why? by I+Am+The+Owl · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So, instead of a decent laptop and a decent camera, I can get a combination that does both poorly and probably costs only slightly less. Wow, what a gain.

    Thanks, but I'll stick with Firewire and my Canon GL2

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  6. Re:hibread by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 4, Funny

    I winced when I read that - I keep wanting to send Slashdot a dollar so that they can buy themselves and editor. Anyway, I think he meant "hybrid." Of course, I think you mean "high-bred," so there's that. Of course, maybe everyone meant, "Hi, Bread!" It's good to greet your baked goods.

  7. Sony very please? by canning · · Score: 4, Funny

    Either way, Sony is very please with the outcome.

    Not half as please with the editing job me bet.

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  8. New? by juuri · · Score: 4, Informative

    This thing has been out for over a year and this form factor has been out since 2001.

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  9. Looks amazing but is 30gig enough? by 1nsane0ne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have never done any kind of video recording, editing, etc. beyond your basic camcorder usage. So I have to ask, is 30 gig's of hard drive space enough for raw video to be recorded? I know after compression and stuff you can fit two hour videos into under a gig w/ quite a bit of quality loss. But for serious video recording editing I'm guessing 2 hours of video would be quite a bit larger then 1 gig. And it doesn't mention anything about on the fly compression (i dont know if that's even possibe / practical w/ today's cpu's and the software this thing has), so I'm guessing whatever format you record to is going to be huge. If anyone with any experience would care to comment on the size of uncompressed video files it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

    1. Re:Looks amazing but is 30gig enough? by ottffssent · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Uncompressed? No. The article claims 680,000 element CCD. Assuming 24-bit color, that's 3 bytes * 30fps * 680,000 elements = 58MB/sec = 3.5GB/min.

      Compression is possible though. I don't know if there's any built-in compression, but a Crusoe/600 isn't going to provide much. With my AIW Radeon (original), I could just barely encode to MPEG2 with a Duron/600. With a 1.8GHz Athlon XP I can record straight to divx (from TV, 640x480) at about 1GB/hr, 60-80% CPU usage.

      30G probably is a good match for the battery life of the unit, using whatever compression Sony built in. They, as a company, have better sense than to make something horribly mismatched like that. Chewing-gum memory slot excepted, of course.

    2. Re:Looks amazing but is 30gig enough? by FredThompson · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is no reference, whatsoever, that says anything about uncompressed video.

      DV is about 13G/hour and the compression is through hardware. The unit probably uses that format and has a software codec.

      The article doesn't say if this unit has a tape mechanism and the picture doesn't look like there is one. If it's only using the HD, no, 30G is not enough. You could work on 1 hour at most.

      This is just a geek toy to try to impress the other geek in the next cubicle. It's not beefy enough or powerful enough to do any real work. It's also too awkward to use as a camcorder. Might be fine for shooting a few seconds at a time or recording part of a meeting but that's about it.

    3. Re:Looks amazing but is 30gig enough? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know after compression and stuff you can fit two hour videos into under a gig w/ quite a bit of quality loss.

      no that is with a TON of quality loss.

      when I capture and edit from my XL1 camera a 15 minute long project has about 1 hour of footage. this takes up 10 GIG on my media raid drive.

      when I slam it down to a 8000kbps bit rate Mpeg2 for dvd authoring it ends up being slightly less than 1 gig in size.

      the compression rates you are talking about are for really REALLY low end and low quality.

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  10. I have one by Tuqui · · Score: 5, Informative

    This type of model is in the market in Japan for more than 2 years.
    I use one of these but is more a Camera Toy than a real laptop the keyboard is almost unusable. The battery life is not so good. and the screen is very tiny. But the movies it takes are clear and you can use the optical zoom.

  11. Why does SONY love Windows ME so much? by toupsie · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have noticed that SONY uses Windows ME on a lot of their unique notebooks. The PictureBook uses it as well -- they are almost impossible to upgrade to Win 2k. I never understood SONY's passion for the quirkiest Windows release with its notebook.

    Anyone know why?

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    1. Re:Why does SONY love Windows ME so much? by Transient0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, the OS is the last thing I'd bitch about with this product.

      If you notice on the web-site, buying the OS is an OPTION. The mere fact that you can choose not to buy windows when you buy this machine puts it head and shoulders above almost every other PC-type product out there in terms of the OS.

      I mean really, if you want to buy this device and don't like ME, just don't pay for it.

    2. Re:Why does SONY love Windows ME so much? by mr_exit · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well this one is a little different, it ships with win2k and has winME as an option

      have a look at:
      http://www.dynamism.com/gt3/specs.shtml

      they will even put xp on it if you really want them to. And personally I would as the latest Avid DVxpress only runs on XP, and its posibly the best consumer level package behind final cut pro

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    3. Re:Why does SONY love Windows ME so much? by evilviper · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What I wonder about, is their support of Windows. If you look at anything they offer, they usually only have support for Windows... USB MiniDisc recoders come to mind.

      They are not a software company, so I don't see why they don't release some specs on their devices, but they don't.

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  12. hibread for the masses by cfallin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Finally, I can eat my electronics when I'm done with them! Even better than regular bread. Why can't we make more things out of this new, amazing "hibread"?

  13. swiveling screen by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 3, Funny

    What's so cool about a swivelling screen? Considering how quickly and often laptops develop swivelling screens when the hinges break, I just sort of thought they were intentionally designed that way. Or are they trying to sell this as a feature now?

    1. Re:swiveling screen by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 3, Funny

      What's so cool about a swivelling screen?

      The screens on Star Trek swivel.

  14. better, but.. by j-stroy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Good effort, but the ergonomics don't seem quite right. Also surprising it took this long to integrate these technologies.

    I am reminded of that Russian MiG which was flown out to Japan. The reverse engineering team was stunned by what was achieved with "old" technology that was tightly tuned and integrated. I look forward to innovations coming from places where technology has only trickled in due to economic or supply factors, making development more deliberate and well considered.

  15. Why all the hybrids? by inaeldi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've never understood the fascination of combining digital products together. Cell phones with the Internet, laptops with cameras, etc. The way I see it, if you want a laptop, buy a laptop. If you want a camera, buy a camera. If you want both, buy both. Not only do you get a better selection by doing it that way, but you'll probably end up with 2 good products as opposed to 1 mediocre hybrid. Just my $0.02 anyways.

    1. Re:Why all the hybrids? by Moofie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Me, I /hate/ redundancy. I think it's just dumb that I can't buy an optical disc jukebox that serves all my computers and my home entertainment system. I think it's silly to have four CD-ROM mechanisms scattered around, when one or two would do just as well (yes, you have to consider two users wanting to do diff. things simultaneously, but that can be engineered around).

      With mobile devices, a PDA, phone, MP3 player, and camera (for example) have about 70% common components (by weight). So, if I'm clever, I can glom together four devices, each of which would weigh four to six ounces or so, and glom them into one eight ounce device (yes, I just made up those numbers). Yes, you need to solve a battery life problem, but I'd rather carry one spare battery for my Uber-Device than four separate devices.

      The One Device hasn't yet been created, but I've seen a couple that are awful close. Kyocera's PDA/phone/MP3 players are awfully attractive.

      Interface design: Do you need to be able to operate your PDA and your camera simultaneously? No? Then why would there be an interface problem? Several PDA/phones have arguably better UI than their individual components because you don't have to hold the PDA in one hand and dial with the other.

      It just takes smart UI design and clever engineering. It can be done, and done well.

      Is Sony's lap-camcorder an example of a good convergence product? Dunno. I'd have to play with it and evaluate the ergonomics. But I'm glad they made it, and I'll be glad to see the machines that replace it.

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    2. Re:Why all the hybrids? by russellh · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I've never understood the fascination of combining digital products together. Cell phones with the Internet, laptops with cameras, etc. The way I see it, if you want a laptop, buy a laptop. If you want a camera, buy a camera.

      They are experiments, a celebration of both people and technology. nobody knows what will work, really, and people always find unintended uses for stuff. so yeah, a swiss army knife is an inferior replacement for all the separate components, but the swiss army knife is about convenience, not being the best corkscrew or tweezer in the world.

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    3. Re:Why all the hybrids? by radish · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This idea that "integration is bad" in the computer age is just stupid. There has never been a tool as flexible and extensible as the PC, and there is no reason not to connect two devices together to share (processor, storage, user interface) resources.


      That's the whole point - "connecting together" is fine, "putting in the same box" is not. The PC would never have been successful if they were not upgradeable. How many people on /. just buy a PC from Dell and never open the lid? Very few. Most roll their own from various components. Same deal here. If I want to be able to record video and edit it, I can select the components myself (a good camera and a good laptop) and connect them via, say, firewire. Putting them in the same unit means I can no longer select the components to meet my needs, I can no longer upgrade one part when my needs change, I can never leave one component at home because I won't need it on this trip.

      Give me lots of small devices, with specific jobs, and make them talk to each other over standard protocols (bluetooth, firewire etc) so they can exchange data and co-operate according to my rules and I'll be happy. Bung everything in one big uber-device, and sorry, I won't be buying. The non-computer version of this argument is with HiFi, you'll replace my stack of individual components with some "integrated" POS over my dead body :)

      Something just struck me - name an operating system which pushes the idea of lots of small tools with simple functions, which can easily be wired together by the user to perform more complex tasks. Now name one which tries to be all things to all people, with every button, gizmo and addon you could ever need, but no way of seperating out and replacing the different parts to suit your individual needs.

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  16. A Bit Late by NickisGod.com · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Nice gadget, but the war is more or less over for now.

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  17. Re:hibread by Absurd+Being · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd like to buy myself and editor too. In fact, for all the late night postings on /., we all need to have and editor around to correct our personal mistakes. Like a personal trainer. I too winced at hibread though.

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  18. New? by fliplap · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wow, I've heard of being late slashdot, but dynamism has been carrying this thing for as long as I can remember.

    "Sony says they had no intention of releasing this prototype computer/camera for general sale. That is, until the flood of interest at PC Expo 2000 Tokyo. It was quite a show for the GT3/K; whether a brilliant marketing tactic or just pure good decision-making by Sony, we're very pleased with the outcome."

    Its still pretty cool though. Btw, here is a link to the dynamism page. Or is this supposed to be an article about an american release of the same product?

  19. I'll pass by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Little laptop with a swivel screen? OK! (think car PC)

    Reasonable quality digital camcorder? kewl!

    Trying to stabilise the camera with the added, needless weight of a laptop? No thanks.
    A camera that has to be upgraded when the laptop is passe'? No thanks
    Sending my laptop back when the camera dies? No thanks
    Or sending the camera back when my laptop HD dies? No thanks.

  20. it's from Sony by SHEENmaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    you'll be lucky if it can read an audio cd correctly. Momma Sony always said, "Burning DVDs is da DEVIL!"

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  21. It's new to you! or not... by sirtimbly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The mention of PC Expo 2000, the low end specs of 128RAM and only a 30gig HDD, and the use of WinME and 2k instead of XP lead me to believe that this nifty little "hibread" has been around for a while.

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  22. Sounds sweet by wastedbrains · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How much will a device like this cost when it finally hits the market. This is the kind of convergence technology means.

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  23. No, no I don't. by I+Am+The+Owl · · Score: 3, Funny

    Did you not just see me disparage it?

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  24. 128 whole megabytes of RAM? by telstar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Woah ... What are we going to do with all of that?
    Seriously ... a video editing machine with 128mb standard ... upgradable to 256mb? That's a toy ... not a machine designed to handle video editing.

    1. Re:128 whole megabytes of RAM? by ocelotbob · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Obviously it's for casual shooting, probably would be a great vacation movie system. Take it along, videoblog your trip without having to carry around two devices wherever you go. I can definitely see the utility of this device in the amateur video editing market. Though the memory constraints lead me to believe that it probably would work better with a much smaller OS. Toss ME, throw on a very tight version of Linux and 256MB would be more than plenty RAM to handle a video editing session. From a consumer standpoint, it's simply unfortunate that MS abandoned NT4, because there's definitely a market for small OSes on devices that don't necessarily have the restrictions that CE was designed around.

      Just because OS makers have sacrificed tight code to the almighty god of eye candy doesn't mean that it's not possible to live with "just" 256MB. Turn off the eye candy, and you'll see that there's a lot you can do in tight memory situations without sacrificing performance.

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  25. hybrid devices by roalt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The problem with these hybrid devices is that that:
    1. It's probably not the best laptop you want...
    2. It's probably not the best camera around you want... (680,000 pixel CCD is not exactly top)

    Instead of mixing these 2 devices together, I suggest just let those two device support some kind of wireless protocol (WiFi or something similar) so they can have the same functionality as this device, but they need not be connected to eachother physically...

    Okay, it might add up a bit to the weight (extra battery pack for the 2nd device), but then, you don't need to carry the whole device in your hand...

  26. Just add 802.11xx by su-geek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think they need to add wireless so one can record to a bsse station as bandwidth permits. I have been wanting to build something like this for awhile, I was going to use a single board computer and wireless + a screen of some type. I may still.

  27. Re:HiDef... by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 2, Funny

    They keep making digital cameras and camcorders smaller, but there's one thing you need big: the lens. God damn it, I need to take pictures of the neon lights in Shinjuku without using a flash.

    Last time I used a miniature camera there it only had a small lens, so I had to use the flash to take pix at 1/30s. Camera -> Flash -> into oncoming traffic -> Swerve -> BIG PILE UP.

    I'm not doing that again, so give me BIG LENSES!

    graspee

  28. Re:Price? by losttoy · · Score: 2, Informative

    $2299 Check www.dynamism.com for details

  29. 17 hours? by vanyel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Personally, I think most of the interest around it is because the batteries are supposed to last 17 hours. Who cares about the camera...

  30. Firewire is used for this, kinda by Heisenbug · · Score: 4, Informative

    Firewire might be fast enough ... it depends where the compression happens. This thing presumably shoots MiniDV-type video, which is 4/1 compressed *before* it goes into the computer, and Firewire should be fine. This kind of thing is even done by some pros using the old "two devices connected by a wire" trick. They shoot on DVCAM or whatever (a 25 MB/s stream, unless I've confused my terms) and stream it over Firewire to be recorded on disc in real time. The advantage here is that the whole 'log and capture' phase of video editing is skipped entirely, and with a dedicated editor they can have an assembly cut ready to watch by the time you're done shooting.

    Of course, in that case, it's a $15,000 dollar DVCAM connected to a G4 laptop, not a consumer cam built into a consumer computer. You know that embarrassing geek thing where you describe computer technology as unbearably sexy? I hate that.

  31. Does anybody think this looks like the Vaio MST3K? by dougTheRug · · Score: 2, Funny

    Crow? Is that you?