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Easy Character Accents in Mac OS X?

joesao writes "How have people been typing accents under OS X? I'm not talking funky key combinations, but simple, 'dead-key' stuff like: a + ` = à. In Windows this is accomplished easily by setting the input locale for keyboards as 'United States-International' but the similar function under System Preferences doesn't have any acceptable keyboards. Unicode isn't an option, either; only a few applications support that. Documentation on Apple's site is scant, and a Google search doesn't yield anything that really works. Anybody out there have a decent keyboard file for Mac OS X?"

126 comments

  1. easy as Pi by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Funny

    Like the one-button mouse, you should be using the Apple one-key keyboard - it makes everything much easier. No more decisions to make. Ever.

    (It's a jolk, folks, honest! :)

    I want a PPC970 machine. NOW! *sigh*

  2. One of us is a dumbass, but it could be me... by darken9999 · · Score: 5, Informative
    I must not understand the question. This just seems too easy.

    Here is a sorta technical document about accented and special characters...

    Netscape

    Here is a pretty layout of what buttons to press...

    Harvard

  3. US Keyboard is the right layout. by norwoodites · · Score: 5, Informative

    é (aka option-e e).
    Ã (aka option-` `).
    î (aka option-i i).
    use key caps (in utilities) for more information (hold down option).

    Note this was the same as mac OS 7-9.

    1. Re:US Keyboard is the right layout. by eLoco · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The accented characters used for demonstration above will only display correctly if your browser display encoding is set to UTF-8. For Latin-1 encodings they look like this:

      é -- e with acute accent (option+e e)
      è -- e with grave accent (option+` e)
      ê -- e with circumflex (option+i e)
      ñ -- n with tilde (option+n n)
      å -- a with ring above (option+a)
      ü -- u with umlaut/diaresis (option+u u)
      ç -- c with cedilla (option+c)

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    2. Re:US Keyboard is the right layout. by norwoodites · · Score: 1

      If you do not have it set to UTF-8, then there is a problem with your browser since it is the standard for i8n (sp?).

    3. Re:US Keyboard is the right layout. by eLoco · · Score: 1

      Whether the browser is set to UTF-8 is a human decision, not the browser's, so this is not a fault of the browser, although I would definitely agree that this should be the default now for i18n purposes. Unfortunately, all of the browsers I have worked with default to the most common encoding for the language of the target os, Latin-1 encodings for Western European languages, Shift-JIS for Japanese, etc.

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  4. Keycaps and hints by MrAndrews · · Score: 5, Informative
    The easiest way to learn these things is to open Keycaps in the Utilities folder (in Applications). That's the old-fashioned way to do it. Once upon a time, it used to be under the Apple menu, so everyone found it and misused it.

    To do basic combinations, try things like option-e, option-i, option-u, and then hit whatever letter you want the accent to appear over. So option-e-e would give you é.

    It seems like it might be tricky, but after a while it becomes second nature.

    1. Re:Keycaps and hints by dhovis · · Score: 4, Informative

      This has been the way that Apple has always done accents, but as I was testing it out, I noticed a new feature (at least in Safari).

      When you type Option-`, for example, a little yellow block appears with an accent grave in it. The next letter you type will get the accent grave (as long as the accent can be added to that letter).

      The ones I'm aware of are

      Option-` grave
      Option-e agieu (sp?)
      Option-i carat (?)
      Option-u umlat
      Option-n tilde
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    2. Re:Keycaps and hints by X-ViRGE · · Score: 1

      That's not new to Safari at all. It is at least as old as 10.2... I don't know about before then.

    3. Re:Keycaps and hints by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually has been there since the beginning -- it's the reason the Mac keyboard has an Option key.

    4. Re:Keycaps and hints by Saxifrage · · Score: 1

      This is a Cocoa text-field widget feature, and so therefore is new to X -- but not 10.2.

      If you're using a Carbon app, you'll notice that that still doesn't happen.

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    5. Re:Keycaps and hints by FunkyMarcus · · Score: 1

      Option-e agieu (sp?)

      aigu, but in English, we say acute. é

      Option-i carat (?)

      circumflex (circonflexe in French). î

      Regards,
      The Cunning Linguist

    6. Re:Keycaps and hints by jbloggs · · Score: 0

      what i can't find anywhere is how to do the grave accent in OS X. Option-` toggles windows for the current program i'm in....does it map a different key when this is occuring?

    7. Re:Keycaps and hints by Finque · · Score: 0

      Command-` will switch windows, Option-` gives the accent.

    8. Re:Keycaps and hints by Megane · · Score: 1

      I believe it dates all the way back to 1.0 in 1984. Now the big question: Did the Lisa do things this way?

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    9. Re:Keycaps and hints by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, they're talking about the little yellow boxes.
      they have no been there since the begining, it used to be after typing opt-n there was zero visual indication that the next key typed would have the ?over it. (that charater likely won't post. But I mean a tilde kind of thing)

  5. A new topic for "Switch" commercials by PateraSilk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Macs have been using the option-accent system for as long as I've used them. Compared to the alt-keypad system I've used for Windows it always seemed easy and transparent. I guess no one thinks to mention this to Windows folks when they switch!

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    1. Re:A new topic for "Switch" commercials by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

      Switch to the US International layout in Windows - you will find it to be far superior than the Alt+Number method.

      This has nothing to do with "switching" and everything to do with most users in the US not needing to type accents very often. Those who do can turn on the proper layout.

    2. Re:A new topic for "Switch" commercials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative


      In Europe, where people NEED accents and have different keyboard in each country, it's still a pain in the ass to type É È À Ç Ê OE Æ oe æ with MS Windows.

      MS Word under MS Windows have its own way to manage it, but it's a different way from all the others apps.

      I don't know why MS keep that in that way...

      ( BTW: http://www.xvsxp.com )

    3. Re:A new topic for "Switch" commercials by Halo1 · · Score: 1

      I find the Windows system actually annoying. Either you get easy accents and annoying stand-alone quotes, or you get easy stand-alone quotes and no accents. Both doesn't seem to be possible (I don't consider "+space easy).

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    4. Re:A new topic for "Switch" commercials by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Have you ever tried to type C code when using the International Keyboard? It's maddening.

    5. Re:A new topic for "Switch" commercials by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      Try the spiffy (free!) utility All Chars for Windows which is modeled on DEC's ``Compose'' key for their proprietary word processors---DEC later made a free utility called ``Compose.exe'' which did this for Windows ?? up to 95 beta something or other, then MS broke it so even though it's on the first Windows 95 Secrets CD-ROM, it doesn't work w/ Win95.

      All Chars is available at:
      http://allchars.zwolnet.com/userman122.html

      Highly recommended, even though it lacks some of the features of Compose.exe (apparently doing things like popping up a scrollable windows of all the chars for the current font (handly for dingbat or ligature or alternate fonts) is difficult in Win95 and later).

      William
      (who'd like to see a similar utility for Mac OS X, or better still something like this which works well with Pen Services for Windows 2.0)

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    6. Re:A new topic for "Switch" commercials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows users may have a look at "Accent Composer" (http://www.kovcomp.com/). Rik

  6. This site useful? by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Informative

    I did a quick Google Search and found this site that seems to answer your question.

    I haveta admit though, if this answers your question, I'll be a little surprised you could't find it within Google. This was the first search term I tried.

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  7. Accents under OS X by kurosawdust · · Score: 5, Funny
    How have people been typing accents under OS X?

    This should take care of your needs.

    Italian:
    Just add "a" to the end of all words. (e.g. "This-a is-a how-a it-a looks-a!")

    English:
    Remove all 'h's.

    Scottish:
    Remove all coherence.

    Australian:
    Apparently, Australia is an advanced civilization where they have efficiently replaced every noun with the word "Foster's."

    American:
    Pepper your writing liberally with the word "like".

    1. Re:Accents under OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the "Oh, bloody hell" and "Crikey" words/phrases thrown in at random. Heck, let's all be like "Come On Eileen" by Dexy's :D

    2. Re:Accents under OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and in Australian, you need to insert a lot of 'Mate's and 'Good on ya's.

      Will he take the easy cheap shot and do Canadian?

      Yes he will!

      Canadian/Minnesotan
      Append up to 2 of the following to any sentence: 'There', 'You know', 'Eh', in that order.

      Examples:
      "It's pretty cold today, eh?"
      "I'm going to the store there, eh."
      "She made a nice hot dish there, you know"
      "I need another beer, you know, eh?"

      Wrong:
      "Canadiens won today, eh, there."
      "Gonna snow again there, you know, eh?"

    3. Re:Accents under OS X by schappim · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Weird Yet True in Australia we drink VB and XXX... none of this fosters rubbish... :D (well me personally, crown larger, and cascade premium...) :D

    4. Re:Accents under OS X by Oculus+Habent · · Score: 1

      And don't forget Bruce.

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    5. Re:Accents under OS X by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Funny
      Weird Yet True in Australia we drink VB and XXXX [...]

      Untrue, some of us drink beer.

    6. Re:Accents under OS X by martinX · · Score: 1

      I have it on good authority (i.e. a mate who did the CUB tour) that what we call Crown Lager here is what CUB markets as Fosters overseas. So OS Fosters might be worth drinking, unlike the camel piss that it tastes like here. Still, even Fosters was a change from XXXX, XXXX and more bloody XXXX here in Kweenzland. Bugger it. Just drink Coopers.

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    7. Re:Accents under OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One more rule:

      English and Australian:
      Put a 'u' after every 'o'.

    8. Re:Accents under OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fosters is Australian for Budweiser.

      (for those who don't know, budweiser is american for cheap whitetrash beer, and on tv we're regularly told that "fosters is australian for beer" or some such crap. I prefer microbrews myself, thankyou.)

  8. Portuguese keyboard by JBv · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And it woks for me.

    O José bateu com o pé e não se aleijou muito, mas como é chorão, chorou muito.

    1. Re:Portuguese keyboard by big_oaf · · Score: 1

      The babel fish translation:

      "Jose beat with the foot and he was not crippled very, but as it is chorão, he cried very."

      Um... OK. Did I say babel fish? I meant Yoda fish. My bad.

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  9. Portuguese Woks by fm6 · · Score: 1

    So stir-fry is really a Portuguese invention? Learn something every day!

  10. The layout for the US International by rbrito · · Score: 4, Informative

    The add-on layout for US International can be found at http://www.brockerhoff.net/usi/.

    This piece of software is absolutely necessary for typing in Portuguese (especially here in Brazil, where a common US keyboard layout is quite common, and the population is used to the US layout with dead-keys -- dating from the time of typewriters).

    Please, do let Apple know that you need this keyboard layout.

    I sent them my feedback about this quite a while ago (I think that I can post here the mail if I find it), but more people letting them know would promptly make them aware of its importance.

    1. Re:The layout for the US International by joesao · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is the only person who "gets it". I guess it makes sense; we're both from Brazil, where we NEED accents to make ourselves understood. A word without an accent may have a completely different meaning.

      Sorry, I should have said that I already knew about the "option+letter" combinations. That's what I meant by "funky" key combinations, in my original post.

      This US International keyboard at brockerhoff.net is THE REAL DEAL. It is truly absurd that Apple doesn't incorporate it into OS X.

      No, anything else *isn't* good enough. Dead-key typing means typing 'a to get á. Anything else is a distraction.

    2. Re:The layout for the US International by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the hell don't you use a portuguese keyboard? Perhaps your Macs are bought in the gray market (or even in the black market.) In Portugal EVERY desktop Mac comes with a portuguese keyboard. Exceptions are the portables. Because they have an "embedded" keyboard and the portuguese market for Apple portables is VERY small, there is no portuguese version for them. But everyone I know buy a portuguese keyboard and replaces the original US keyboard on their iBooks and PowerBooks. I just can't understand why a Brasilian living in Brasil will use an US keyboard. Even if you live in the USA, you can buy a portuguese keyboard (I don't know if there is a specific brasilian version). To me, you're holding the stick the wrong side.

    3. Re:The layout for the US International by joesao · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe because I live in the US, not in Brazil, and maybe because I have a laptop, not a desktop, and maybe because I type in multiple languages, some of them requiring accents.

      Also, maybe because a regular keyboard is perfectly adequate, if only you have the functionality available to users of the Windows US-International keyboard layout, which I now happen to have, right here on my Powerbook.

      That's why I can type things like:
      "Eu sou de São Paulo e você é um babaca" or "Tu es un connard sans frontières", but of course you just don't get it, do you?

    4. Re:The layout for the US International by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      It was designed to mimic the Windows keyboard layout. For a Mac user, it's not the "real deal". I'm not sure how one survives on the web with a dead '~'.

    5. Re:The layout for the US International by joesao · · Score: 1

      A dead "~" becomes a ~ simply by pressing the space bar after typing ~.

    6. Re:The layout for the US International by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      That's what I thought. To me, that behaviour is rather annoying-- but then, I write more C than (say) German. The Brazilian Portuguese keyboard layout, btw, does not have seperate accent keys, although the Portuguese layout does.

      OSX also supports "US Extended" but that layout doesn't change the dead key locations. It does, however, support more diacretical marks and a number of Eastern and Northern European letters (e.g. the polish slashed L, eth, thorn, etc)

    7. Re:The layout for the US International by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eu sou de Säo Paulo e vocé um babaca

      Tu es un connard sans frontiéres.

    8. Re:The layout for the US International by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eu entendo perfeitamente um que brasileiro escreve, memso em mau português. Et je comprend aussi bien le français. For everyone to understand, your question is an iddle question, and your answer is rude and shows your not a very bright person. Do you answer with insults to everyone when they point you to how shallow your knowledge is?

  11. Dude, it's *way* easy... by RevAaron · · Score: 5, Informative

    Doing all sorts of accents on Mac OS Classic/X are super easy. Maybe you just didn't know where to look... but with the plain-old US layout, you do such:

    Opt-U + Letter = An umlauted letter
    (Opt-u + A = Ä)
    Opt-` + Letter = A backwards accent letter
    (Opt-` + e = è)
    Opt-i + Letter = A caret-top letter
    (Opt-i + i = î)
    Opt-e + Letter = Accented letter
    (Opt-e + ó)
    Opt-n + Letter = An n-yayed letter
    (Opt-n + n = ñ)

    That's all I know off the top of my head. The only won I use regularily is the umlaut key for German, excuse the lack of knowledge on the real words for some of the kinds of accents. :P

    But this is about the damndest easiest way to do it, less using a kb layout for a language which uses these letters.

    If you ever need to find out how to do these again, open up Keycaps, in /Applications/Utilities. When it is open, hold down the option key, and it will show you all the characters which are typed when you do option-key. The keys with a white square highlighted are those which are combined with other letters to create accented letters.

    It's a helluva lot better than ALT codes on WinDOS. :)

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    1. Re:Dude, it's *way* easy... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      for french
      option c =ç
      for German
      option s= ß
      option \ =
      for Latin
      option ' = æ
      option q = ?
      For Spanish
      option 1 =
      option ? =
      for corresponding with Europeans
      option 3 = £
      option @ =?
      for lawyers
      option 2 = ?
      option 6 =
      option 7 =
      option g = ©

    2. Re:Dude, it's *way* easy... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Of course, incompatibilities between different text encoding systems can easily destroy the asethetic advantage of using special characters.

    3. Re:Dude, it's *way* easy... by Balthisar · · Score: 1

      Ain't "æ" Greek? Who cares; I just said "ain't."

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    4. Re:Dude, it's *way* easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's scandinavian (Swedish at least, maybe
      Norwegian, I believe not Danish), Latin
      and used in expression derived from Latin
      (ex-æquo) and exceptionally used in some
      French names (Lætitia).

    5. Re:Dude, it's *way* easy... by klez23 · · Score: 1

      Um, no, Greek has a different alphabet entirely. Or were you kidding? In which case, yes.

    6. Re:Dude, it's *way* easy... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Æ is the 26th letter (not ligature) of the Danish alphabet. The OE ligature is also found in French as a ligature. Note that the oe glyph does not show up on slashdot.

    7. Re:Dude, it's *way* easy... by moof1138 · · Score: 2, Informative

      æ is the latinization used when transliterating the Greek alpha-iota. So Greek alpha iota theta espilon rho, got transliterated to æther. æ often evolved into just 'e' over time giving us ether. So it is sorta Greek.

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    8. Re:Dude, it's *way* easy... by decepty · · Score: 0

      i was going to write something witty and informative using a whole bunch of accented characters, however i'm at work and have no idea how to get accents on a PC (except for the tilde -or should i say "n-yay"- in my last name

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  12. Unicode is fine by kalidasa · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unicode works fine in any Cocoa app,
    including TextEdit, Safari, iCal, Finder,
    Address Book, Mail, the new Nisus beta,
    etc. The apps that have problems are
    all Carbon, because they don't invoke
    ATSUI properly: MS Office v.X, AppleWorks,
    Internet Exploder, etc. while BBEdit (which
    should know better) is spotty for some
    writing systems in some cases.

    Even most of these apps can handle extended Latin, though. I'm guessing the poster didn't do his homework.

  13. They've been doing... by XnetZERO · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...the way Mac users have always done it! option + e and then e will produce an é option + u and then e will produce an ë option + n and then n will produce an ñ etc... etc... etc... If you're a switcher there are a few websites floating around with the intent to help switches or those new to Mac OS X. www.macfora.com www.macmentor.com www.macosx.com However, searching the built in Mac OS X help engine would have found what you were looking for by searching for 'accented characters'. Really don't know why people forget about help... It's there for a reason! But if you open the Key Caps utility and start pressing buttons (ie... try pushing shift, option, command and see what happens! also you can depress option and command at the same time!)

  14. Adobe's character access chart by McDulay · · Score: 2, Informative

    Adobe has a good cheat-sheet of key combinations for special characters on their Type Library page. The quick link is http://www.adobe.com/type/pdfs/characcessmac.pdf

  15. Two ways: by NaveNosnave · · Score: 5, Informative

    1) Fire up Key Caps, in your Utilities folder. Select the font you're using in the Font menu, and it will display all the default characters of a virtual keyboard. Try hitting the Shift key - you'll see the Shift key depress on the virtual keyboard, and the lowercase letters will change to uppercase, and numbers will change to the symbols that are universally recognized as cuss words for comic strip characters. Now try hitting the far more interesting Option (alt) key. Gaze in awe upon the alternate characters you can produce by typing Option-[character]. Also, notice the Option-[character]s with a light box around them? They're all diacritical marks - accents, umlaut, circumflex, etc. - that can be added to other letters. So, for example, if you want to put an umlaut (you know, the "Deathtöunge" dots) above an "o", you need to type Option-u, then an "o".

    2) Use the Character Palette. From Apple's godawful-slow Help System:

    To make the Character Palette available, open International preferences and click Input Menu. Select Character Palette in the list.

    To open the palette, choose Show Character Palette from the input menu (the one with the Character Palette symbol or the flag).

    To enter a character, choose the items you want to see from the View pop-up menu. Select the category of characters in the left column and double-click the character or symbol you want to enter in the right column.
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  16. A couple options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can use "dead keys". For example, Option-u will type a"dead-key" umlaut which will combine with the next character typed.

    You can use keycaps, as someone else mentioned.

    Both of these only get you the stuff available from your current key layout.

    For Cocoa apps, the TextExtras extension bundle (available at http://www.lorax.com/FreeStuff/TextExtras.html) has a built-in configurable character palette. One of the pre-defined panes in that panel has all the Unicode non-spacing marks. Clicking stuff in this panel will insert the clicked mark into the currently focused text area at the insertion point. In Unicode, non-spacing marks combine with the character before them.

    Not only does this panel let you type non-spacing marks unavailable from the keyboard, it also lets you compose stuff that the dead-key input rejects as non-sense (such as the all-important n-umlaut needed for the correct spelling of "Spinal Tap". Even better, you can stack multiple non-spacing marks on a single character this way.

  17. Fire up TextEdit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hadn't noticed it before.. mebee it's new in recent builds, but if you do Opt-e.. you see the accent, with the background of the character space in orange, showing you that it's waiting for the character to go with it.. A good way to familiarise yourself with the keystrokes to get the accents you want (Opt-c for cidilla, Opt-e for acute accent, Opt-` for grave accent, Opt-u for umlaut etc etc.. have a play!

  18. learn the key combos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find the Windows US-international keyboard layout is great, until I actually want to type a ' or " character--then my typing gets completely screwed up.

    Once you get the hang of the Mac key combos (option-e, e for é etc.) I think you'll find it much more intuitive than the Windows way.

  19. Non-Latin Alphabets by nat5an · · Score: 1

    While we're on the topic, does anyone have any experience using non-Latin alphabets on the Mac under OS X? I'm particularly interested in Arabic, since I'll be taking an Arabic composition class in the fall and it would be cool to type my papers, since my handwriting sucks.

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    1. Re:Non-Latin Alphabets by scrofaboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't know much about the Arabic family of fonts but I use the greek and hebrew fonts for the biblical language program, Accordance. I've used many similar programs on the pc side but all of them had really, really crappy font mapping. On the mac it is really easy. The final Mem and nun (hebrew) and final sigma (grk) are added automatically at the end of words. Combination accents, (like a rough breathing mark and a circumflex over the selected vowel) only require 2 keystrokes as opposed to the 8 1/2 fingers needed to do the same thing on the PC side. Iota subscripts only require an 'option-j' after the vowel. This doesn't help much with your Arabic font problem, but maybe it'll help you to know that there are fonts for the mac and they do work well.

    2. Re:Non-Latin Alphabets by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Informative

      I did a search of OS X Arabic in Google and came up with some info.

      http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_fonts_ ma cosx.html
      "Mac OS X 10.2 introduced support for Arabic, Devanagari, Greek, Gujarati, Gurmukhi, Hebrew and Thai scripts."

    3. Re:Non-Latin Alphabets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'm hoping you've got 10.2 installed.

      go to system preferences > international > Input Menu Tab. There should be about a million languages listed. Arabic should be there. Now you'll see a flag next to your menu where you can choose either a US or Arabic Keyboard.

      If you don't see it, you'll probably have to install something off the OSX CD. I suggest you try apple's discussion boards for that.

      http://discussions.info.apple.com/

    4. Re:Non-Latin Alphabets by klez23 · · Score: 1

      Textedit actually does a pretty good job with typing Arabic. (You have to enable & learn the Arabic keyboard layout of course, & don't forget to right-justify;) It can get confusing if you're trying to use both Latin & Arabic in the same document, since selecting text becomes a bit of a nightmare. I'm sure it follows some kind of logic, but I've never figured it out.

      The thing I've been frustrated by is lack of web browser support. Camino & Safari both produce readable text now, but with strange mistakes (like certain letters coming out 5 points smaller). Last time I tried OmniWeb, it was beautiful, but all the words were spelled backwards!

    5. Re:Non-Latin Alphabets by trash+eighty · · Score: 1

      i don't know about arabic but chinese works the same (and just as well - if not a little better) in X as it did in 9. input and display.

    6. Re:Non-Latin Alphabets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In 10.2(Jaguar), you can input both left-to-right and right-to-left text in the same documents, even on the same line. You can type along in a language using the Latin alphabet and it behaves as expected, then you switch to Arabic and it'll expand in the same direction, but new characters will be inserted in such a way as to preserve the proper right-to-left behavior.

  20. Character Palette by macmurph · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can activate a menuling called the 'Character Palette' that allows you to see all kinds of characters for all different kinds of fonts. Its very similar to the old PopChar control panel in MacOS 9.

    Go to the 'International' preference pane.
    Choose the Input Menu Tab.
    At the top of the list choose the check box for the Character Palette.

  21. this has got to be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has got to be one of the dumbest ask slashdot ever.

    1. You can use option characters (option-e for accent, etc). You can open the Key Caps application and visually see what will happen with each keystroke.

    But since you mention you don't want "funky key combinations" I offer:

    2. Change the keyboard layout. Go to System Preferences > Keyboard.

    If for example you put the keyboard in spanish, the ; key becomes the ñ (n with a tilde) key, and the accent character is one of the keys you can use. Again, open the Key Caps application if your keyboard isn't in spanish already.

    Once you have enabled additional keyboards (for example spanish, azerty, dvorak, etc.) a menu item will appear with a flag representing the keyboard layout. That way you can switch layouts without having to open System Preferences.

  22. System Prefs: International by mattkime · · Score: 1

    Did you look at the "International" section of the System Prefs?

    (I'm not sure if you need various langauges installed or not to do this.)

    The Input Method tab lists all the installed keyboard layouts. If you select more than one of these layouts, you'll see a little flag in the menu bar. This menu allows you to select your current keyboard layout. if using the mouse isn't your syle, command-space bar will rotate layouts.

    and there are other posts explaining how to use the option key to hit those international characters from your standard american layout.

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  23. Extended question.... by cuyler · · Score: 1

    I have found é and à accents. What I would like to know is how to do other accents - in particluar, for use writing pinyin. In Mandarin é would be the third tone, à would be the fourth tone. I'd like to know how to write the first and second tones for a letter.

    (First tone is a bar on top of the letter, second is a little u on top of the letter - to indicate a falling then rising tone).

    Thanks!

    1. Re:Extended question.... by kongjie · · Score: 1
      Well, I haven't investigated this in OS X, but in OS 9 and before there were pinyin fonts you could easily get that showed proper tone marks (for example, Rich's Pinyin fonts ).

      This brief collection of pages at Yale gives more info about OS X and Chinese inputting.

    2. Re:Extended question.... by alangmead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First, go to the international panel of System Preferences.app, select the Input Menu tab, and select US Extended checkbox. This will will add an input menu to the menu bar, and select "US Extended". Then go to /Applications/Utilities/Key Caps.app. Press the option key, The keycaps program will highlight all the dead keys. First tone seems to be option-a, second tone is option-b.

    3. Re:Extended question.... by cuyler · · Score: 1

      I don't have my mac on me, but as I recall the third and forth tones when you input them they highlight in yello and then if you press a vowel afterwards the accent will be put over top the character. The other two accents (first and second) are available as extended keys but they don't do the same - they only print the accent, you can't put a character under it.

    4. Re:Extended question.... by klez23 · · Score: 2, Informative

      nope, alangmead was right. Opt-a will make a (yellow-highlighted) bar, which will land on top of whatever vowel you type next. Opt-b is the same for the 2nd tone.

    5. Re:Extended question.... by klez23 · · Score: 1

      Oops, forgot to clarify, that's in the "U.S. Extended" keyboard layout. Incidentally, this layout (and any Unicode-based ones) won't work in every app. Textedit is fine though, & is actually what I mostly use for text editing these days.

    6. Re:Extended question.... by cuyler · · Score: 1

      I know - I managed to figure it out. Only two things left for me to figure out. The first is how to remove the US keyboard now that I use US Extended (the option to remove it is greyed out). The second is how to do a u that has a tone on it in addition to the umlaut.

    7. Re:Extended question.... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      You probably don't want to remove the US keyboard, as not all applications support Unicode. See this site for a keyboard layout that supports all the Latin blocks (Basic Latin, Latin-1 Supplement, Latin Extended-A, Latin Extended-B, and Latin Extended Additional)

      Not all fonts support these, although Gentium supports every possible Latinate Unicode 3.0 glyph, and up to three levels of diacretics.

  24. Enable the Character Paletter Menu by Paul+Burney · · Score: 4, Informative

    As an old timer, I use the option+ keyboard shortcuts mentioned by others. However, OS X includes a nice, easily accessible Character Palette for those who don't want to type key combos.

    Go to the International Preference Pane, click on input menu at the right side and check on the character palette item. Now you'll see a little menu next to the last option in the menu bar. Click it to get a bunch of key entry options. The one for accents is "accented latin."

    If you really like typing accented characters, try a software called PopChar Pro. I used to use it in OS 9 and I know there is an OS X version.

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    1. Re:Enable the Character Paletter Menu by Onnimikki · · Score: 1

      The flag that shows up is really annoying. I want to be able to switch between a regular US-type QWERTY keyboard and a French Canadian keyboard. Unforunately, as a Canadian, this means that I get a silly American flag on my desktop most of the time if I want a "normal" QWERTY keyboard. Is there any way to change the graphic so that I don't have to have a stars-and-stripes on my desktop?'

  25. Get this book: by speleo · · Score: 3, Informative

    "The Mac is not a Typewriter" by Robin Williams.

    This book is cicra 1990 but the basics of accenting and typing special characters on the Mac hasn't changed.

  26. Just learn another key map! by adelayde · · Score: 2, Informative

    I live and work in Spain and need to use Spanish characters everyday. I bought my laptop in Britain, so the keymap is British. I just switch between keymaps with option-apple-spacebar and don't pay any attention to what the keys read when type. It works fine. Same if I have to use a US keyboard, or any keymap. In short just learn a keymap that gives the characters you need and use it!

  27. Just use ctrl-c! by dnahelix · · Score: 0, Redundant

    aAåÅáÁâÂäÄãà bB cCçÇ dD eEéÉêÊëË fFf gG© hH iIíÍîÎïÏ jJ kK lL mM nNñÑ oOøØóÓôÔöÖõÕ pP qQoeOE rR® sSß tT uUúÚûÛüÜ vV wW xX yY¥ zZ æÆ £

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  28. The Character Palette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can find it in International System Preferences:Input Menu Tab.

  29. What about Macron characters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, what about the and ð and the various macron characters for Old English? I know I can install the Icelandic keyboard to get the thorn and eth, but what about the others?

    Maybe I can make an Old English keyboard ...

    1. Re:What about Macron characters? by Matthias+Wiesmann · · Score: 2, Informative
      Actually, one funny way to get the thorn is the following:
      • Type in a th
      • Select the capital font
      • Enable all ligatures
      I first realised this when my name was suddently mangled. As for other characters, there you can always activate the character palette. If you want to do your own keyboard, here is a site that seems to explain how to do it...
  30. this is interesting, cross platform util perhaps? by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    While I don't have osX, I do have Unix boxes.

    Perhaps there is a tool that can intercept keycombos etc, etc to Unicode ... and can be recompiled for osX, linux etc?

  31. Straightforward by Kalle+Barfot · · Score: 1

    As has been said, simply use the option key (with a step-like icon, also mis-labelled "alt" on some keyboards). Then explore the keyboard.

    Ah, if your name were Håkan, you'd know what option-a does. And see, if your French girlfriend's name were Fran(option-c)oise... Oooh, here comes Bj(option-o)rn.

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  32. Changing Keyboard Layout by frezeal · · Score: 1

    The above comments about option- works. Also, if you would like to change the keyboard layout, you can do that by going to System Preferences->International and select the Input Menu tab. Here you can select from US, US Extended, Unicode Hex Input, Dvorak, Dvorak - QWERTY command and all kinds of other international keyboard layouts. This is under 10.2.6, I think pre 10.2 the tab menu is called Keyboard.

    After selecting the ones you want, a little flag should show up on the menubar which allows easy switching from one input mode to another.

  33. The help system by Nikopol · · Score: 1

    OS X's help system is wonderfully slow.

    As I type this in Safari, I can't help but wonder: how did they achieved such molassenesse?

    Yes, I know it's offtopic...

    1. Re:The help system by Maserati · · Score: 1

      See, they had an HTML rendering engine before they started on Safari, it's the one in the help system. You'll notice they threw it out and adopted KHTML for Safari. As soon as Safari is out of beta you can expect them to update Help to use WebCore.

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  34. One more important one: by Benley · · Score: 2, Funny
    I found one more that you forgot to mention:

    Option-o BØRK!

    I'm sure you'll wonder how you lived without that one.

  35. Other font weirdness by ed+'g3' · · Score: 1

    While all the Mac font gurus are together in one place, i wonder if anyone can explain this?
    In my terminal, typing l/ (lowercase l and a forward slash) produces a single character which looks like the l but with a small diagonal line running through it. It only does this in certain fonts, including monaco (which is the default font and imo the best looking 'terminal' type font).
    It's not just typing l/, it's any time when l/ is displayed. So directory listings are usually really messy.
    Helpfully, it does not happen in any other application.

    1. Re:Other font weirdness by Iron+Chef+Unix · · Score: 1

      I had this exact problem, but I haven't seen it since I did the 10.2.5 or 10.2.6 update. Have you updated your system version?

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    2. Re:Other font weirdness by ed+'g3' · · Score: 1

      Yes, i'm running 10.2.6.

    3. Re:Other font weirdness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [system:~] user% l/

      CORRECT>ul/ (y|n|e|a)? yes
      ul/: Command not found.
      [system:~] user%

      This is what my system produces. OS X 10.2.6

    4. Re:Other font weirdness by ed+'g3' · · Score: 1

      That's something different. What I mean is that I am typing (for example)

      cd /Users/Paul/

      and the l/ on the Paul is being merged into a single character.

  36. AZERTY keyboard by paradesign · · Score: 2, Informative
    this is the standard for european countries that rely heavily on acents. countries like France, and Spain ust them i know. im even typing on one right now. on them all you do is hit the accent required like then hit the letter required, like ö ë ä é è ç £ ù ò ù ëtc... look into one of these if you are going to be using acents extensivly. see it in action here

    apple has the best language support if you ask me, so this shouldnt be a problem at all. you can always use keycaps.

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    1. Re:AZERTY keyboard by raju1kabir · · Score: 1
      his is the standard for european countries that rely heavily on acents. countries like France, and Spain

      Spain doesn't use AZERTY. Only France and Francophone countries do.

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  37. Input Menu by GabrielF · · Score: 2, Informative

    Launch System Preferences go to International and select Input Menu. Select whatever keyboard layout you want (I use Spanish and English). Whenever you need to use that keyboard layout hit option-cmd-space to go to the next keyboard layout. It's a little cumbersome but when you get used to it its very quick.

  38. Extended characters ��������ߥ� by pressman · · Score: 1

    It's all quite simple. Check out key caps and make sure you're using a font that has extended character sets. option+e then typing and "e" will result in é. you can extrapolate from there!

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  39. Easy on mac, why is this NOW in the news? by giaguara · · Score: 2, Informative

    option-e for á etc
    option-i for â etc
    option-u for ä etc
    option-n for ã etc
    option-` for à etc
    option-c for ©

    Why did it take 3 years to make the macs accent key shortcuts to a notice?

    Can someone tell me if the windows accent keys have any logic? I hate those alt-132, alt-256 etc combo strakes..

  40. You may want to check the Dutch input... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...no stars but some stripes.

  41. The meaning of the option-key symbol by JJSpreij · · Score: 2, Informative

    use the option key (with a step-like icon, also mis-labelled "alt" on some keyboards)

    As we're so intensly discussing the option/alt key, here's a little-known fact: the icon for that key does not symbolize a "step", but a train-track-switch.

    So it's the spot where a train has the "option" (choice), to take an "alt"ernative route: to go left or right. This symbolizes what use of the option key nearly always comes down to: do the same thing in a slightly different way.

    Once you know it, it's very logical, but it's one of those rare cases where Apple's visual design hasn't succeeded in being obvious to users in general.

    The option key has many very powerfull other uses, for instance:
    - option-command-W closes *all* windows
    - option-command-M minimizes *all* windows
    - option-double-click on a folder opens the folder but also closes the parent folder

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  42. Set your keybord to swedish by Sthlm08 · · Score: 1

    I had mine set to swedish for years, because i got all my 'dead' keys. Now i have bought a swedish keybord and it's so much easier than an international one. good luck finding all your key combo's

  43. Holding the stick the wrong side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why the hell don't you use a portuguese keyboard? In Portugal EVERY desktop Mac comes with a portuguese keyboard. I just can't understand why a Brasilian living in Brasil will use an US keyboard. Even if you live in the USA, you can buy a portuguese keyboard (I don't know if there is a specific brasilian version). To me, you're holding the stick the wrong side.

  44. jesus harold christ. by jesse.k · · Score: 1

    I really wonder if the person who moderates the apple section on slashdot has ever used a mac.

    This l33t hax0r mac trick has been a basic part of Mac OS FOREVER, i remember being told in school how using [option]+XXX on a mac was so much easier than resorting to an ascii table, which you'd have to do on a PC at the time.

    And it's not that Mac OS doesn't come with a keycaps application either.

  45. Dead keys on Macs by Millennium · · Score: 2, Informative
    Macs have a dead-key scheme of their own. Option-character, and then the character you want accented.

    On a US keyboard layout, the keys are as follows:
    • U - ümlaüt
    • E - gravé accént
    • I - cîrcumflex
    • N - tilde (ñ)
    • C - çedilla (not actually a dead-key, since it only works with C, but it's common enough to be mentioned here).
    • ` - àcute àccent


      • This is pretty US-centric, because each character used is the letter which people in the US usually see most commonly with that accent (none of these are common in US English, but they are common enough in loanwords and in snippets of other languages seen sometimes). The exception to this is the acute accent, which is seldom seen in the US at all, so it was given the ` key, which looks like an acute accent anyway.

        Incidentally, this is not a new feature on Mac OS X. It has worked this way since at least the System 6 days, and probably even earlier than that. Although some of the bad Carbon ports out there don't provide the same visual feedback that Cocoa and ATSUI do, the key combinations will still work. They even work in the Terminal.
    1. Re:Dead keys on Macs by eLoco · · Score: 1

      Almost, but not quite right. You have your grave and acute mixed up.

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  46. Where the hell is the Hash/Gate key on my TiBook? by HugoQuixote · · Score: 1

    ...You insensitive clods!

    Anyone else notice this? Mine's a UK keyboard layout, but the lack of this key makes my life mildly difficult, especially when coding perl/xml.

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  47. Re:Where the hell is the Hash/Gate key on my TiBoo by matthew.thompson · · Score: 1

    Option pound - as the americans call it pound and not hash.

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  48. Re:Where the hell is the Hash/Gate key on my TiBoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alt-3 or Option-3

  49. Get this mouse pad by benca · · Score: 1

    It's got a good subset of the Mac option-combinations (plus the windows alt-codes should one ever be in such a situation): http://www.lrb.co.uk/store/mmat.php

  50. Apple does make those by Minister · · Score: 1

    Apple makes keyboards with accented characters, they may only be available in their respective markets. I live in Canada, and the Canadian Apple store has 2 keyboard options: US English and French Canadian

  51. Alternate Keyboard Layouts by the_mice · · Score: 1

    Maybe I'm just a masochist, but I find typing with non-US keyboard layouts perfectly usable. My alternate language is Hungarian, which uses a lot of accented characters, many of which are not used in many other languages. Simply enabling the kayboard layout under the "Input Menu" tab of the "International" system preferences makes it easy to access, and after a short while it's easy to get used to the meanings of various keys.

  52. Re-read the question before responding! by api · · Score: 1

    People, re-read the question before responding!

    The question is: How does one use a true deadkey such as apostrophe, AND ONLY APOSTROPHE for accented characters in Mac OS X?

    Think back to touch typing class: you learned SHIFT and only SHIFT to modify characters. OPTION is a computer convention great for keyboard short cuts but is maddening for touch typists who hope to type as quickly in their native language as one can in English.

    The only valid answers have been those regarding non-English keyboard maps that introduce non-OPTION deadkeys. So far, the question is not answered.

    OT: /. Moderators: Responses that include the phrase "dumb ass" often indicate that the reader did not understand the question, rather than his or her haxor guru wisdom. Take a look at all of the "duh, use the option key" posts that you declared "Informative." They're not. They completely miss the point of the original question and you fell for it.

  53. TypeIt4Me by ek_adam · · Score: 1

    There is also an application called TypeIt4Me that lets you define all the character macros you want. Basically it works with OS X by copying your default keyboard file and then adding to it as you add macros. See http://www.typeit4me.com for more information.

  54. Google...doesn't yield anything? by Mengoxon · · Score: 1
    Author:
    ...and a Google search doesn't yield anything that really works.


    A simple Google search of:

    us international mac keyboard ...reveals as a first hit a website which has tips on implementing this by yourself. As a second hit a ready-made keyboard layout for US International.

    If in the future "survival of the fittest" boils down to understanding Google searches, I pity the author...