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Have You Seen This Segway?

Kringle writes "An April 28th theft of a Segway from a home in Kent, Washington appears to be the first of its kind. The Smoking Gun has a copy of the police report. The good news is that the thief didn't get the keys and is lugging around a big paperweight. No word yet from the Grand Theft Auto team about including a Segway in their next game release."

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  1. Finally.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    someone got one at a decent price!

    1. Re:Finally.. by 10Ghz · · Score: 4, Funny
      are Americans so lazy that they can't walk anymore?


      I would say yes
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  2. In related news... by Surak · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... a "Microsoft Bob" CD was stolen from a home in Wazoo, Nebraska. No one is exactly sure why anyone would want to steal either item. A police source was quoted as saying, "We're not sure what their motives are."

    1. Re:In related news... by Vampyre_Dark · · Score: 5, Funny

      Simple enough, it was the same guy. He needed a coat rack and a coaster.

  3. Gee! by zuggy · · Score: 5, Funny

    What a drag!

  4. Steal a Segway? by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why, for the love of God, why?

    1. Re:Steal a Segway? by WegianWarrior · · Score: 3, Funny

      All I know is that I wouldn't want one if you threw it after me... in fact, I might throw it right back.

      My best guess is that the celebral challenged induvidual who decided to liberate this piece of overpriced, overhyped garbage thought it was one of those old handpushed lawnmovers... ;

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  5. Lame by uprightcitizen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Had the thief gotten the keys, it would be funny to watch the getaway. He's speeding 11 MPH from the scene of the crime laughing nefariously. Hmm... very frightening.

    1. Re:Lame by MarkGriz · · Score: 5, Funny

      It would be funnier if the police has Segway's too. Perhaps they would have modified ones that could go 15 MPH.

      Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where George had one of those motorized scooters, and was being chased by a gang of elderly people, also on scooters, at about 3 MPH.

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  6. Ignition Details? by SmirkingRevenge · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does anyone know whether or not a segwey can be "hotwired" so to speak? Do you _really_ need the magical keys (there's 2 I believe, they determine the maximum speed) to use one?

    Above all, I wouldn't want to be using that thing when the police put out the APB.

    "He's slowly getting away, sir!"

    1. Re:Ignition Details? by L7_ · · Score: 4, Informative

      and yet, honda accords with thier electronic keys continue to be the number one stolen vehicle.

    2. Re:Ignition Details? by nolife · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, and DVD's are not copyable and region restricted, the Xbox will only run approved MS code, The PS2 will not play any backups, a Cuecat can only be used with DC's own software, a blank cdrom can not be overburned, Macrovision prevents copying video streams, Safedisc and Securerom prevent coping cd's and a cable box can prevent you from watching the Playboy channel for free.

      But.... The Segway can not be started without the approved key.

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    3. Re:Ignition Details? by Matey-O · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Honda Accords can be stripped. Try fencing Segway parts.

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    4. Re:Ignition Details? by Eric+Smith · · Score: 4, Informative
      The key is a Dallas Semiconductor I-button. It contains 16 bytes of data, of which 11 bytes are apparently a unique ID. It's possible to copy keys, but if you have a Segway and no key, you'd have to disassemble the Segway to extract its ID.

      If the makers were really clever, it may not be possible to make a matching key even if you tear apart the Segway. They may have designed it using a non-invertable cryptographic hash such that the code in the Segway can be derived from the code in the key, but not vice versa. In that case the only way to do it would be to rekey the Segway, but they could have made that very difficult.

      See Hacking Segway Keys for more information. That's mostly about modifying a key to change the performance characteristics (increasing the speed limit), but it talks about the key code as well.

  7. For that matter... by inertia187 · · Score: 5, Funny

    No word yet from the Grand Theft Auto team about including a Segway in their next game release.

    No word yet from the Paperboy team, either.

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  8. It's as good as gone by CptChipJew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Theres no way they can hot wire it."

    BMW used to say that too. Thieves are better at these things than most people think they are.

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    1. Re:It's as good as gone by nanojath · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ermmm... but stealing BMWs makes sense. It's the summer's new blockbuster - Gone in 60 Minutes

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    2. Re:It's as good as gone by FurryFeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Deja vu...
      "There's no way they can copy this..."
      "There's no way they can crack it..."

  9. Wanted to Buy by SubtleNuance · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would be interested in buying a used Segway if anyone knows where I might be able to get one.. wink wink

    1. Re:Wanted to Buy by botzi · · Score: 3, Funny


      Believe it or not, there's one which has just arrived ...
      for sale
      </virgin Marry kind of innocent>

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  10. The Simpsons come to Mind by PHAEDRU5 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Skinner: Damn...they're very slowly getting away!

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  11. My guess as to who stole it by doublem · · Score: 4, Funny

    a.) Some punk kid who knew what it was and didn't know how hard it was to hotwire.

    b.) Captain Crunch found out how to hotwire it with a few wires and a toy from a box of cracker jacks. (+1 for 2600 reference)

    c.) Druggie who had no clue and is trying to sell it.

    d.) Vandals.

    e.) It's a publicity stunt by the company selling them in a bid to both get attention, and show how "useless" it would be to steal one (Implying that even if yours is stolen, Insurance will replace it and the thief won't benefit from ti anyway)

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  12. Priorities? by Schezar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "He's asking anyone who sees the Segway or knows where it might be to call Kent police at 911."

    911? IIRC, that's that newfangled emergency number. You know, for emergencies. Like heart attacks and SARS. Not missing pieces of metal and plastic.

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    1. Re:Priorities? by ryanvm · · Score: 3, Funny

      "He's asking anyone who sees the Segway or knows where it might be to call Kent police at 911."

      Wow - what a coincidence. My local emergency number is 911 too.

    2. Re:Priorities? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Funny
      911? IIRC, that's that newfangled emergency number. You know, for emergencies. Like heart attacks and SARS.

      SARS. Indeed.

      Operator: "911, please state your emergency."
      Caller: "(garbled) please help! There's (garbled) with SARS, and (garbled) me!
      Operator: "Ma'am, you need to calm down. Please repeat what you just said."
      Caller: "There's a MAN with SARS, and he's coming towards--oh, Jesus God--"
      Operator: "All right, ma'am, you need to tell me where you are right now. Is he threatening you with the SARS?"
      Caller (whispering): "He's right there...I don't know if he can--oh, no, no, NO! GO AWAY! PLEASE! DON'T--"
      Operator: "Ma'am? Ma'am? We've traced your location, and a unit is on the way. We need you to stay right where you are. Ma'am?"

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    3. Re:Priorities? by cygnus · · Score: 3, Funny
      911? IIRC, that's that newfangled emergency number. You know, for emergencies. Like heart attacks and SARS. Not missing pieces of metal and plastic.
      Now that you're a Stonecutter, here's the real number: 912.</Simpsons>
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    4. Re:Priorities? by nvrrobx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only number to reach the Kent, WA Police Department is 911.

      Period.

      Call 411 and ask for the "Non-emergency number" for the Kent Police Department. They'll give you 911.

      You should check your facts before posting (yeah, call me flamebait...)

    5. Re:Priorities? by Unregistered · · Score: 3, Funny

      So's my cell phone. I get lots of weird calls, but I just mumble "we'll send someone over" and hand up.

  13. Segway Theft Rates by sulli · · Score: 5, Funny

    Update: Statistics now show that 25% of all Segways have been stolen.

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  14. an Ebay seller will deliver his new one now. by rdewald · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For grins, I searched EBay and found out that the gent that lost this one can get another one, deliverable immediately, for $5500.

    Why? That is another question. I was almost run over by one of these things on the sidewalk in Manhattan the other day. Mr. UpperWestSide Yuppie was navigating the sidewalk, including the wheelchair cut-outs at intersections with some aplomb, but I really had to suppress an urge to just knock him off the damn thing.

    I can only pray that they don't figure out a way to build and market a Segway stroller. Oh my God, the thought just makes me shudder. GPS, 802.11g web nanny-cam....the horror, the horror.

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  15. Police should be on the lookout . . . by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Funny

    for a low-rider Segway with under-body neon lights, a huge spoiler, and plastered with all sorts of Chinese ideograms

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  16. Kamen just needed some quick cash! by qewl · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think Segway creator, Dean Kamen, just decided business was slow and he would just start stealing his few customers' Segways so they would have to buy additional ones. That's exactly what happened. Plus he can recycle some parts!

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  17. consequences... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, and imagine telling the other inmates what you're in for. Reminds me of the Serta mattress "counting sheep" commercial where they're tossed in jail for ripping off the 'do not remove' tag from a mattress.

    "What're you in for?"

    "Oh, we were caught rip" "RIPPING A MAN TO PIECES!"

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    "What're you in for?"

    "Oh, I got caught stealing a seg.....ment of a man's intestines...right outta his body...with my bare hands! While he watched!"

    Oh yeah, hard time in the big house for this one...

    I'd love to see the look on the judge's face if this guy is ever brought to trial. "You stole a _what_?!"

  18. Re:GTA and the segway by irokitt · · Score: 4, Funny

    --News Release-- The makers of the popular Grand Theft Auto game series have announced their intention to add the Segway scooter to their video game. The Segway, affectionately dubbed "Speedy Gonzalez", will be equipped with Stinger anti-aircraft missiles and anti-tank rockets. A JATO (jet-assisted takeoff) rocket pack will be added to increase the drag racing potential of what one GTA player has referred to as a "bad-ass ride, dude!". There is no word as of yet concerning the possible addition of the famous Renault line of cars to the GTA lineup.

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  19. Segway: Bad for health by macshune · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ok. Here in America people are getting fatter and fatter right? The Segway exists to appropriate the one bit of mild exercize people get daily: walking. Of course I understand its use for postal workers and similar industries that make frequent stops, but this machine is totally wrong for normal people.

    I'm sure in 30 years time, there will be a study done linking Segway use (if everyone has one eventually) with heart disease. It's simply not right to encourage people to have a 100% sedentary lifestyle. Get up and MOVE.

    ...after you are done reading slashdot.

  20. Re:Think about it, by EvilSporkMan · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Segway verifies that the key's code matches a code stored in the Segway, they are encoded with each code used once per million Segways, so the odds are really small that even your buddy's keys would activate another Segway. By the way, there are 3 keys, each activating a different max speed. (Source for all this: guy came to school to demo the Segway =D )

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  21. Re:insurance? by macdaddy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Technically every home owners policy I've ever seen would cover this, at least to a certain dollar amount. It would cover your lawn mower sitting out back and it would cover your Segway joking secured with a bicycle chain.

  22. How to keep your Segway from being stolen... by diatonic · · Score: 4, Informative

    A good atricle on the security of the Segway is located here.

  23. Where the Segway comes from. by fm6 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It's not worth the money, but it's not a total waste either. This would be a little more obvious if anybody had seen the Segway's predecessor, the IBot Wheelchair. This was actually introduced years before the Segway, but has been stuck in FDA hell ever since.

    An IBot has four modes: "Normal" (basically a conventional wheelchair), 4-wheel (all wheels powered) stair-climbing (really!) and Balance. Take an IBot, remove all the modes except Balance, remove the ability to reposition the chair vertically, replace the chair with a foot-level platform, and replace the joystick with a fancy system for guiding the vehicle with instinctive body movements. Result: a Segway.

    Eventually, you're going to see physically disabled people cruising around town in IBots. Balance seems to be the most popular and useful mode, so a lot of people are going to mistake them for Segways. Undoubtedly, some asshole will come up and say, "You stupid Yuppie! Why don't you use the legs God gave you!?"

  24. Rumor has it that.... by GeneralEmergency · · Score: 5, Funny


    ...it's already down in the 'hood and it's been repainted and lowered.

    Tonight, they're going to take it out for a whirr-by shooting.

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  25. Re:Same story, different day by rigga · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah a real joyride. Dragging a 93Lbs Segway down the street sounds like a joy ride to me. :)

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  26. Re:You must be new here... by Eberlin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Welcome to Slashdot. Among the many things you'll see here are posts that start along these lines:

    1) Imagine a beowulf cluster of...
    2) All your base...
    3) Profit!
    4) In Soviet Russia...
    5) Micro$oft Sux

    Also, feel free to post duplicate stories and mangle spelling and grammar. Again, welcome to Slashdot. :)

  27. Re:insurance? by jsprat · · Score: 5, Informative
    I heard an interview with this guy on a local radio station here in Seattle.

    His homeowner's policy wants his auto insurance to pay for it, his auto insurance wants his homeowner's to pay for it - Catch 22.

    He's fed up with the whole thing, so he just wants to pay a $300 reward (no questions asked) for his Segway's return. He even said during the interview that the thieves just needs to tell him that they found it in the bushes.

  28. Hotwiring a Segway by alienmole · · Score: 4, Informative
    The Segway uses iButtons from Dalsemi[/Maxim] as its ignition and control keys. The basic iButton is just a factory-encoded serial number (64 bits, I think) stored in a small metal button (fits on a keyring) which can be read electronically by touching it to a reader.

    Afaik, the Segway uses a version of the iButton which stores a small amount of other data in addition to the serial number. So, what the Segway probably does is check that the serial number matches what it expects, and also reads the data in the iButton to determine things like the maximum speed it's allowed to go. IIRC, at least one of the Segway keys is speed-limited, for "valet parking" etc.

    So, to hotwire a Segway electronically (as opposed to somehow bypassing the electronic circuitry, if that's possible), you need to at least (a) determine what iButton serial number your Segway expects (hmm - wonder if it's printed on the Segway somewhere?) and (b) build a small iButton simulator which generates the required signal, using the documented OneWire protocol. However, you'd need to do some additional work to simulate the data storage on the iButton. You'd probably need to reverse engineer an existing Segway iButton key for that part - which should be easy, if you have access to a key.

    Bottom line: hotwiring a Segway would take some work, and it would be tough without access to a Segway key to play with, but once you'd done one, it might be pretty easy to do the next one. A big question is how easy it would be to determine the serial number it expects, if you don't have the key. That could be a real barrier.

    BTW, if you want a much more secure authentication mechanism, the Java version of the iButton will do public/private key encryption on the button, so it can be sent a challenge encrypted with your public key, and it will decrypt it with your private key and send it back to the challenger. Now that should be hard to hack.

    1. Re:Hotwiring a Segway by 2MuchC0ffeeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      score +1, informative.
      score -1, too realistic, get search warrent for his garage.

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  29. Segway Rant by aliens · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since it's a segway story and I ranted recently on these things I'll do it again here.

    First off if you are considering buying one of these things, goto your cabinet, find one of those things they call a pot, hit yourself on the head.

    Secondly, realize that you can do all that a Segway can do WITH A BIKE!!!! All that and you get EXERCISE. Now I understand that the segway is a perfect personification of the Lazy Fat American Dream, but really exercise is gooooood.

    A bike also weighs less, costs less, and can go down stairs, on grass and dirt.

    Don't get me wrong the tech is pretty cool, but it's evil I'm sure the thief will return it with a note "Sorry it looked awfully fancy for a paperweight, I thought it might actually have been useful."

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    1. Re:Segway Rant by ptorrone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      i have a bike, but i use my segway more now. i need to be dressed up and my work place does not have a shower, so for me riding a bike is for fun- not commuting. the segway ht didn't replace walking either, it replaced my car. sitting in a car for me is lazy and expensive, i've saved over $600 per month since i went to using my segway ht for most of my trips. i exercise more now than i ever did, mostly because i have more time and i'm not sitting in traffic. if you're interested you can read about it here.http://www.bookofseg.com/100days/

      find something better that works -for me- and i'll gladly try it. don't just say everyone should use a bicycle.

      cheers,
      pt

    2. Re:Segway Rant by brkello · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Riiiiiiight. So you are in better shape because of your segway...that's a good one. So how long have you been on segway's payroll? I was getting pretty fat too...then I started watching hockey on tv...now I am fit as a fiddle.

      Saved over $600 a month? What kind of fuzzy math is that? How can it give you more time? A car goes much faster than a segway, therefore it will get you there faster (in most cases). Unless you are using it for short commutes, in which case your saving $600 figure makes no sense (ok, it didn't make sense to begin with). I mean, I am sure someone likes segway somewhere, but seriously...isn't this reading high on anyone else's BS meter?

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    3. Re:Segway Rant by ptorrone · · Score: 4, Interesting

      i have more time to jog each day as opposed to sitting in traffic, i get home a bit earlier and can leave later so i started to jog more- it's that's simple. you can call bs on me all you want, i'll glady prove it any way you choose. the $600 is: $350 car payment, $150 insurance and $120 parking. do the math...i don't work for or with segway in any way, they make a cool ride, but that's where it ends.

  30. Re:Isn't 911 an emergency number? by darc · · Score: 3, Funny

    It does qualify. If they were crazy enough to steal it, who knows how nuts they are?

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  31. Somewhere on the outskirts of Kent, WA... by fobbman · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Yer right, Cletis. That IS one fancy-pants lookin' push-mower. If'n ya only had the keys..."

  32. In Other News by captain_craptacular · · Score: 4, Funny

    Roger Schmeckel, a grossly obese Sysadmin from the washington area was unable to function without his stolen segway.

    Aparently once considered "only fat" by friends and colleagues, the complete cessation of any physical activity brought on the the purchase of the segway has caused Schmeckel to gain an astonishing 250lbs in 3 months. He is now unable to walk from his desk to the kitchen without assistance.

    Schmeckel is quoted as saying -- "I'm just glad all my friends from the EQ community have banded together and helped me out during my time of need".

    Tape at 11.

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  33. Hacking Segway Keys by leighklotz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sadly, the Segway keys are easily-hacked, unencrypted I-Buttons, as Andy Rubin of Danger has discovered.

  34. this is just like my stolen HP-48GX by CrudPuppy · · Score: 3, Funny

    a couple years ago some morons broke into my car and stole all my stereo equipment, AND MY HP-48GX CALCULATOR! (a reverse polish notation calculator for those that dont know)

    Years later, I still laugh when I think about the morons trying to use such a calculator, since entering something as simple as "2 + 2" yields an error for invalid syntax (again, for those who dont know RPN, you would have to enter "2 ENTER 2 ENTER +" to get the result.

    they probably thought it was broken and ditched it.

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