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Using Your Cellphone To Control RC Cars

rocannon writes "Cellular-news reports that NEC has announced a technical cooperation with the Japanese toy manufacturer, Konami to enable its range of MICROiR toys cars to be controlled from the DoCoMo N504iS handset or the J-N51 handset sold by J-Phone. More details on Cellular News."

79 comments

  1. Tiny cars by ThesQuid · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Yes, but can I control those tiny tanks that were spammed to death last christmas?

    1. Re:Tiny cars by ThesQuid · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Hot damn you can! (in the rush to a meaningful first post attempt, I didn't look)

      Tiny Tanks!

  2. I can see it now by Perdition · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Honey, I have to hang up now, my Celica is stuck in a draingrate..."

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  3. I dont know whats worse by nich37ways · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That a company thinks that this is a somehow useful feature that will get people to buy their phone, or that i know that people will buy these phones for this *useful feature* to give themseleves 30 seconds of joy before losing the little car.

    Having said that, I want one ;)

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    1. Re:I dont know whats worse by Mononoke · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I agree 100%.

      I'm still waiting for a phone that:

      1. Uses a properly designed antenna.
      2. Still works after it's dropped.
      3. Has covered buttons so that I don't accidentally dial when I sit down.
      4. Has decent battery life.
      What I don't need/want:
      1. Games. I've got a pack of cards that works without batteries.
      2. A camera. I've got a camera with a real lens.
      3. A PDA. Once again, more wasted battery power.
      I just want a friggin' phone that works.
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    2. Re:I dont know whats worse by grungeman · · Score: 1

      One thing I am missing is:
      Low energy function that allows you to access the number stored in your phone even when the battery is really down.

      Or do phones actually have this already (mine is rather old).

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    3. Re:I dont know whats worse by nich37ways · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A PDA and camera are two of my pet hates for new mobile features. The picture quality of the phone *cameras* from the real life examples I have seen, not just the doctored photos that Nokia, and others stick into their adds make it look like such a horrid waste of money. I would like to see a simple/standard way of connecting digital cameras to mobiles as that would, at least allow for some kind of half decent image quality.

      As for using a phone as a PDA, that is the silliest idea i have ever seen. A PDA is meant to have a nice and *big* screen which makes it easy to use. Meanwhile a phone is meant to be compact and easy to hold in one hand. These two things do NOT work together. A wide phone is a pain in the arse to use as you can not hold it properly. While a slim PDA is useless as you can not display enough useful information across the screen.

      I want my gadgets seperate damn it! One tool, should do one job well. It should not do half a dozen really badly.

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    4. Re:I dont know whats worse by macdaddy357 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I have an idea. How about a phone that stays connected, and sounds clear. They would sell a lot of those.

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    5. Re:I dont know whats worse by breandandalton · · Score: 1

      You want the Ericsson T10. Old but great.

    6. Re:I dont know whats worse by Poeir · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would like to see a simple/standard way of connecting digital cameras to mobiles as that would, at least allow for some kind of half decent image quality.

      What are you suggesting, some kind of "Universal Serial Bus?"

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    7. Re:I dont know whats worse by nich37ways · · Score: 1

      What, you can get a phone which accepts USB in from another device all of a sudden, as I am unaware of any such device existing?

      If I was to suggest something it would be some type of infra-red interface so that you dont have to carry around cables.

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    8. Re:I dont know whats worse by m0RpHeus · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm still waiting for a phone that:

      1. Uses a properly designed antenna.
      2. Still works after it's dropped.
      3. Has covered buttons so that I don't accidentally dial when I sit down.
      4. Has decent battery life.


      Well, if what you need is a GSM phone, I suggest you get one of those m-series of Siemens (m45, m35, etc). Shock proof (my friends play catch with it), antenna is hidden but still has strong signal, and decent battery life. As for the cover, while it doesn't have a cover, it does have auto key-lock. It locks the keys after not using it within 30 seconds. Not enabled by default. Anyway, most new GSM phones that come out these days have the auto-keylock feature anyway. Me, I'm still using my old Ericsson R320.

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    9. Re:I dont know whats worse by Poeir · · Score: 1

      No, the device doesn't exist at this point, but I don't think there's any reason beyond no one's gotten around to building it. Your idea makes more sense than combining gadgets. There's also not much reason you couldn't add a zip cord to the bottom of a phone, with a USB connector. The technology exists, it just hasn't been combined at this point. (And then there are also the wireless technologies...)

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    10. Re:I dont know whats worse by beukerc · · Score: 1

      No, he is talking about the UBA (Universal Business Adapter) from IBM. However, it will require another adapter to work in Europe.

    11. Re:I dont know whats worse by ldzpn23 · · Score: 0, Troll

      annnnnnnnnd...I see no point for this.

    12. Re:I dont know whats worse by Poeir · · Score: 1

      I'm still surprised that those IBM commercials still haven't had the most obvious, "There is no silver bullet."

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    13. Re:I dont know whats worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the pictures out of nokia cameras are actually pretty good. 640x480. more than enough resolution for video conferencing or recording things that you would not otherwise record.

    14. Re:I dont know whats worse by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      "As for using a phone as a PDA, that is the silliest idea i have ever seen. A PDA is meant to have a nice and *big* screen which makes it easy to use. Meanwhile a phone is meant to be compact and easy to hold in one hand. These two things do NOT work together. A wide phone is a pain in the arse to use as you can not hold it properly. While a slim PDA is useless as you can not display enough useful information across the screen."

      Those two work perfectly together, if done right.

      You have two options: PDA plus phone, or combo device. No matter how small the phone is, the combo will consume more space and be less convenient. (Esp. if you want to use data services - Palm PQAs are a WONDERFUL thing!)

      As to wide phones - Try the Kyocera 6035 or its successor the 7135. They're wide, but I have found them to be more comfortable to hold and easier to dial than smaller phones. Cell phones these days are becoming TOO DAMN SMALL. Yes, the small size is convenient for "storage", but it makes it a PITA to actually USE the damn thing.

      Of my past cell phones (Kyocera 2035 and 6035), I vastly prefer the 6035's form factor to that of the old 2035, even though it's much wider. The 2035 required the hand to be clenched to hold properly, whereas the 6035 can be held with the fingers closer to a neutral, relaxed position. I would NEVER want a phone *smaller* than the 2035, and that was a moderately sized phone.

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  4. i'll have fun at your expense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    after most of you have a RC car for your cellphone, I'll use my phone to control your cars!!!

  5. What no McLaren by nich37ways · · Score: 1

    Bah, what do I want some silly little looking ferrari for. Gimme McLaren damn it!!

    On a side note, how good are these infra red controls. In the past I have always found them to be a bit tricky to use at distance so I can see a lot of spectacular wipe outs as the cars lose signal.

    Then again it does mean getting a very realistic F1 experience as you see your team/car going straight into a wall and then falling to pieces.

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  6. Not News by rob_canoe · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is not news, James Bond was doing this years ago.

    1. Re:Not News by czion3 · · Score: 0

      Even James Bond's remote control was not on his cell phone

    2. Re:Not News by rob_canoe · · Score: 1

      No no no, it was on his phone
      phone gadget

  7. Another Driving Distraction by rodney+dill · · Score: 4, Funny

    People have enough trouble just talking on their cell phones when driving. Now they'll drive their RC car off the dashboard before plowing into to rear of a semi with their real car.

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    1. Re:Another Driving Distraction by LewisH · · Score: 2, Funny

      I agree!!! I'm sick of seeing freakin' blondes swerving all over the freeway talking on the cell phone and drinking their coffee!! So adding a little car for them to play with on the dash may not be the best idea guys. It's becoming quite obvious the technicians at these companies are just bored... I mean which genius woke up one morning with a hotwheels car in one hand and his cell phone in the other and said "today I will make this control this to cause more wrecks on the freeway!" I mean if we all had sudden sparks or ispiration like that the world would be such a better place...

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  8. Bluetooth Anyone? by notb4dinner · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wouldn't Bluetooth be a better way of achieving this? If they were to make the cars recieve they're control via Bluetooth, any Bluetooth device (including phones) with the appropriate software could control them. This would mean your not tied into buying a particular phone for what is nothing more than a gimmick (albeit an incredibly cool gimmick). Of course I make this with no real understanding of the latency involved in Bluetooth or the cost of a reciever (although I do remember it was originally supposed to be cheap enough to embed in everything).

    1. Re:Bluetooth Anyone? by Bingo+Foo · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's fine if you never want to drive it more than one meter in any direction.

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    2. Re:Bluetooth Anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony Ericsson had some Bluetooth controlled RC cars at their CeBit stand this year. They were controlled from T68s, but according to the Booth Babes, the phones had customised software in them and it wouldn't be possible to control the cars with any other bluetooth device.

    3. Re:Bluetooth Anyone? by notb4dinner · · Score: 1

      hmmm fair enough (but slightly exagerrated) point.

      Although from my experience with micro RC (not IR as this seems to be dealing with) cars the range is never much better than a few meters anyway.

    4. Re:Bluetooth Anyone? by Another+MacHack · · Score: 1

      If by one meter you mean 100 meters, then you have a point. Even the lower power radios have a 10 meter range.

  9. Plan by the+uNF+cola · · Score: 3, Funny

    1. Place rc car movable plastic cup of water on shelf over brothers bed.
    2. Place rc car on shelf.
    3. Leave early.
    4. Drive car into water.
    5. Hilarity ensues :)

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    1. Re:Plan by cap'n+foolsy · · Score: 1

      you forgot something: profit!!!1

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  10. I dont know whats worse ... but cool/T68i by adzoox · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Having the added ability to use my T68i as an iTunes and DVD player controller for my Mac is a nice value bonus.

    I have ended up using Salling Clicker (linked above) for more things than I thought. (keynote, turn on password protection, etc)

    While controlling remote control cars may not be all that cool. (Range is horrible for those little cockroach cars) I do think it would be nice to have something like the feature integrated into Sony Clies where you can control ANY TV STEREO or CABLE BOX with just the selection of a brand name and type of device. I would love to be able to do this with my phone.

    After talking to the programmer of Romeo, a similar program - I have been keeping up with developments that t68i phones will soon be able to control TV's and VCRs, and etc - through an actual "on phone program" - right now Romeo and Salling Clicker are Push based.

    Does anyone know if there is an infrared to bluetooth or vice versa converter coming out?

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    1. Re:I dont know whats worse ... but cool/T68i by dubiousmike · · Score: 1

      I have a Samsung I330 (palm based Sprint phone) and it rocks. I installed an app that lets me emulate remote controls for TV/VCR/DVD/cable boxes ect.

      Boy, have I been having fun changing channels on my friends. Good clean fun.

  11. fvck.... by Botchka · · Score: 1

    Great! Now all the people that can't drive and talk on a cell phone at the same time get to drive, talk and drive on a cell phone all at the same time.... I'm giving up my license now and going home.......

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  12. what is it with... by Biogenesis · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Countries surrounded by water? Does the isolation drive us crazy or something? The Japanese make weird gadgets The English can't cook vege's And me and my aussie mates can't speak english!

    1. Re:what is it with... by grungeman · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Japanese really use the fact that their country is an island (actually many islands) as an excuse for almost everything.

      Not many foreigners in Japan -> because Japan is an island
      People eat a lot of fish -> Japan is an island, you know
      Cannot speak foreign languages -> Must be because Japan is an island

      We really had a lot of fun in Japan, hearing this "shimaguni dakara" (because it's an island country) all over the place.

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  13. P.S.: by Botchka · · Score: 2, Funny

    I am posting this from my cellphone whilst cruising down the interstate at 85.4 miles per hour. Weehawww........

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  14. What does it cost? by Mr2cents · · Score: 1

    The article doesn't mention weither you have to pay phone costs for this.. I doubt the cars have a phone number, so how does this work?

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    1. Re:What does it cost? by dtldl · · Score: 2, Informative

      That honestly could have been modded funny. The cars are IR - infra red controlled and a lot of modern phones have IR ports on them, so just a litle program on the phone to send the right signals and presto phone controlled cars.

    2. Re:What does it cost? by Mr2cents · · Score: 1

      Hmm.. I see :). Well, I blame the uninformative article :)

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  15. The Code! by Tranvisor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start makes your RC car have 30 lives ;)

    1. Re:The Code! by fastrpussycatkilkil! · · Score: 2, Funny

      As far as I remember, the correct sequence is Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, B, A, Start

    2. Re:The Code! by user32.ExitWindowsEx · · Score: 1

      Wasn't it ....,B,A,Select,Start?

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    3. Re:The Code! by pyr0 · · Score: 1

      Actually it was ...B,A,A,B,Select,Start

    4. Re:The Code! by Dwedit · · Score: 1

      No, just B A once. Anything after the B A is ignored, so yours will work, but it has two extra button presses on it.

  16. IN SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear that they have a new cellphone network that allows the user to control household appliances. Is there any truth to this ?

    1. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA... by Unixinvid · · Score: 1

      I think you might be talking about surveilence systems in houshold items. I know that some Government residences have tapping of appliences in the interest of Russian security.

  17. The greatest thing I ever did with my cellphone... by grungeman · · Score: 1

    ...was playing Pong on the Berlin Alexanderplatz. It was just bizarre to stand in front of that big building and being able to control the lights of the windows with a cellphone. Too bad it is no more...

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  18. *big grin* by hoagman · · Score: 1

    But, does some1 see any sense in this?

    i mean it seems to be a funny toy, but rather senseless...

    so long, Hoagie

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  19. A better idea by grungeman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Allow people to control a real car with their mobilephone. This way they wouldn't need to keep one hand on the steering wheel when using their phone during driving.

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    1. Re:A better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My name is Bond, James Bond.

      Probably just trick-filming, but still :)

  20. N504iS phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I was thinking about getting the N504iS (links are in English) but decided against it for a couple reasons. First of all, this phone is really nice. It's a clamshell style phone, like pretty much all the phones have become in Japan. It can already control most of the major brands of televisions here too. It also has a camera capable of taking 640x480 res pix. I believe the screen is also capable of display 256K colors, but I don't remember for sure. There's also a color screen on the outside of the clamshell so when you get a mail or phone call, you can have it display a picture so you know who's calling.

    However, even with all it's goodness, I was annoyed that the "OK/Confirm" button was above the circular "cursor" keys. I like that button being in the middle. In addition, the N504iS has Disney characters advertising it, so I didn't even want to go there. :p Finally, when I went to get a phone, the N504iS was recalled for some reason and I would have had to go on a waiting list for it. It's out now, but it was only re-released a month after I got my current phone... which is the F504iS.

    The F504iS has 2 cameras (which I don't need) and is able to record video at 15fps max. But the real reason I got it was because of the "OK" button and cursor layout and the nice outside display. It's really easy to read and only displays what I want it to which is the time, battery life, signal strength, and if I have any mails.

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  21. Re:Slashdot is getting worse and worse... by the+uNF+cola · · Score: 1

    My other uid is a low one. That could be a bumper sticker, you know.

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  22. Oh jeez by Faust7 · · Score: 1, Funny

    I already hate people that bring their cells into theaters and classes and such. Now I might also have to deal with little toy cars running about? Are cell companies trying to get their customers shot?

    1. Re:Oh jeez by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      " already hate people that bring their cells into theaters and classes and such. Now I might also have to deal with little toy cars running about? Are cell companies trying to get their customers shot? "

      Well, you have to admit, it would have made the car chase scene in Matrix Reloaded more interesting. "Whoah, he didn't dodge that bullet."

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    2. Re:Oh jeez by 010_digital_100 · · Score: 1

      No that's the next cellphone model...the one that has a built in revolver.

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  23. My idea... by Mike+McTernan · · Score: 1

    ...was to make an RC car controlled by DTMF tones hooked up by a microphone on top of the car. I would then put my mobile phone on it, set it to auto answer, and then call it to drive around.

    Of course, the shielding for the audio circuts would have to be well shielded to avoid TDMA noise, but I'm sure that's simple to design around.

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  24. seems like a bit of a gimmick by FearUncertaintyDoubt · · Score: 1
    Maybe this would be big in Japan, but I don't see it as much more than a parlor trick here. Hey look, I can control the car with my cell phone! After seeing it once or twice, most people would find it pretty ho-hum. And the phone is not really suited to be a good R/C remote, so I don't see them selling cars sans remotes because people are using their cell phones.

    What made me think though, is how much cooler it would be if some dude hacked his phone and/or car so that the phone could control the car. For whatever reason, the idea of hacking something to do some trick is far more interesting than the engineers implementing the same trick.

  25. Question is.. by crazysim · · Score: 0

    Can they explode like the cars in the GTA series?

  26. Re:Slashdot is getting worse and worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the fuck are you talking about?

  27. James Bond by Unixinvid · · Score: 1

    Didn't James Bond have the same concept with using his PDA/Cell Phone as a RC device for his BMW. I mean the CIA might have thought of the idea before the Bond Movie and before the developers made RC Cellphone devices for testing with small RC Cars.

  28. Fuckwits by devilspgd · · Score: 1

    Great, now we can get some fuckwit driving a remote car while he drives his real car while he tries to make a phone call and send a text message all at once.

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  29. Japanese toy manufacturer by Unregistered · · Score: 1

    Figures. who else would do this?

  30. Old news... by Brane2 · · Score: 0

    I have seen something like this on our local fair and even got a chance to drive it with my celular phone . Whole thing was done by a few hardware guys, backed by our GSM network operator...

  31. It's games. Games SELL. by MickLinux · · Score: 1

    Just a point -- directly after you link the cell phones to the RC cars, (noting that that's 1-way data transfer), what's next?

    How about, using those nice color cell-phone screens to display an image from the car?

    Send it in at about 5 frames per second, 150x150. At Jpeg, that would be about 100kbaud. However, with any decent codec, you should be able to get that down by a factor of 10 or so, since the majority of the data will be changing in specific, set ways.

    So now you can have real-life races from the security of your cell phone. And high-tech racing cars, too. I'm willing to bet that people would pay for that -- and it doesn't stop there, does it?

    The days of the arial racing and dogfights may be coming back!

    Don't sign me up, though. I need to hold down a job. I'm gonna stick this one in the same classification as Nethack: save it for Heaven; I might have enough time then. Might.

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  32. This reeks of a market penetration scheme.... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    The trend with new cellphones has been attempting to make them appeal to younger and younger kids. Turning the phones into "must have" toys for the kids means a sharp increase in an otherwise mostly saturated subscriber base.

    Text messaging, for example, has been re-marketed from its original status as a business feature; "When you get out of your meeting, Joe, please call Carol at ext. 490. Urgent!" to a play-toy feature for teens.

    Cameras built into cellphones? Another similar ploy. While you *might* find a few people creatively using theirs for business purposes, they generally don't have enough resolution to serve useful business purposes. (If I was in real-estate, for example, and needed lots of photos of interiors/exteriors of homes - I'd just use a digital camera so the results were better.) What they're really hoping is for the teens to pass photos back and forth of people doing stupid stuff at parties, the latest boyfriend/girlfriend pics, etc.

    An R/C car remote control feature? Just another example. No, most adults will find it amusing maybe once or twice, and then never use it again (if they ever mess with that feature at all). But the pre-teens will dig it.

  33. Great... by James+Littiebrant · · Score: 1

    Cell phones are already a problem on the highway...

  34. Whoa by DrMrLordX · · Score: 1

    This would be so cool for Simon McKay from The Wizard!

    http://us.imdb.com/Title?0090547

    fear. Anyone remember this show?

  35. not really news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    weird, i expected something about the T68 mobile since i've
    seen it controlling little rc cars at cebit 2003.
    and yes, i tried it. wasn't really a great experience. but... who cares.
    i even thought of stealing one of those cars...

  36. Useless, but a step in an interesting direction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, cell driving your rc car with your cell phone. Cool. Untill it drives so far you can't see it any more. What this car needs is a real time cam that feeds back to the cell phone so you can see where it's going (and what it's seing) without being there.

    Now in addition to this, replace the car with a transparent stealth blimp with emp countermeasures and you have an interesting device. :)

  37. remote control cars and cell phones??? by alcharn · · Score: 1

    Is it really necessary to have a cellphone that could control a remote control car?? It that supposed to save people time or something?? "Mom, I can't talk right now, I need to use my phone to race a remote control car." The two just do not go together, it seems uncanny and flat out pointless.

    1. Re:remote control cars and cell phones??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you don't need a PDA, because tomorrows cell phones will have all the same functionality. so why not use the PDA like functions to do other things? control small cars, open doors, do your homework for you, etc.

  38. vrrrrrroooom by Infrared+Archer · · Score: 1

    Finally there is something to use up all those useless night and weekend minutes! T-mobile mobile camera phone anyone?

  39. phone size by appleLaserWriter · · Score: 0

    I have yet to see a lens system on a consumer digicam that measures to to consumer 35mm interchangeable systems (Nikon or Leica/Voigtlander) so smaller form factor and new file transfer options are nice.

    Ideally, I'd like to see a 3 MP digicam with 128 MB of buffer, a wireless network interface and fast enough logic to take 24-30 frames per second. I could stream video back to my home computer as I drive, ride my bike, or walk around the city.

    The new PDA-phones are a bit smaller than the first generation, but much larger than the ultra-tiny phones. Although those phones were convenient to carry around, the buttons are hard to press, and they had poor sound quality.

    Bring on the new technology. more is beter.

  40. You want a friggin' phone that works? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get an Ericsson GH888 then. Old but the Toughest phone around. Must be about 5 or 7 years old now, but still works after it gets dropped (from 3 stories high), no stupid games or gimmicks, Good battery life. Big-ass antenna that directs radiation upwards, and it's got a key-lock.