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Linus Moves To OSDL, Will Work On Kernel Full-Time

worldwideweber writes "With the announcement of the release of the 2.5.72 version of the Linux kernel came the news that Linus Torvalds will be leaving Transmeta for OSDL to work on the linux kernel full-time. The email calls this a leave of absence for about one year." Update: 06/17 17:19 GMT by T : As many readers have pointed out, the length of Linus' leave is not actually specified in this email.

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  1. Re:Early post! by Jellybob · · Score: 5, Funny

    My god.

    You actually *paid* for the privelidge of being the idiot who FPs an article?

    You really need to get out more (says the person who's been visiting every five minutes to see this story come out of the future).

  2. Kernel Mailing List Email by haydenth · · Score: 5, Informative

    From: Linus Torvalds
    To: Kernel Mailing List
    Subject: Linux v2.5.72 and a move to OSDL
    Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:35:09 -0700 (PDT)

    Ok, I waited too long for 2.5.71, so here's a more timely 2.5.72
    release.

    It's extra timely largely because the hash list poisoning found some
    problems in the RPC code, making NFS break. Trond found and fixed the
    breakage, so 2.5.72 should work fine in an NFS environment too. Let's
    see if the list poisoning shows any other dodgy list users. Knock wood.

    Also, Arnaldo has cleaned up a lot of the networking code to use the
    generic hash lists, instead of the old ad-hoc net-specific list walking
    code. That code has been tested pretty well, but please holler if you
    see something.

    Changelog for other details appended.

    The other big news - well, for me personally, anyway - is that I've
    decided to take a leave-of-absense after 6+ years at Transmeta to
    actually work full-time on the kernel.

    Transmeta has always been very good at letting me spend even an
    inordinate amount of time on Linux, but as a result I've been feeling a
    little guilty at just how little "real work" I got done lately. To fix
    that, I'll instead be working at OSDL, finally actually doing Linux as
    my main job.

    [ I do not expect a huge amount of change as a result, testament to just /how/ freely Transmeta has let me do Linux work. My email address will
    change to "torvalds@osdl.org" effective July 1st, but everybody is
    trying to make the transfer as smooth as possible, so we'll make sure
    that there will be sufficient address overlap etc to not cause any
    problems ]

    OSDL and Transmeta will have a joint official (read: "boring". You
    should have seen the bio - that didn't make it - that I suggested for
    myself for it ;) press-release about this tomorrow morning, but I just
    wanted to say thanks to Transmeta. It has been a special place to work
    for, and hello to OSDL that I hope will be the same.

    Snif. I'm actually all teary-eyed.

    Linus

    --
    - tom -
  3. Yes, but... by jkrise · · Score: 5, Funny

    Has he got his clearance certificate from SCO?
    Have the Chinese agreed to 'release' him from Transmeta?
    (this last one hurts a bit)...
    while extolling the Linux kernel, we used to say:
    Hey, MS spends $5bn in R&D for a lousy OS. A single chappie named Linus maintains the entire Linux kernel in his spare time! Can't say that any more...

    Anyways, all the best!

    --
    If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
    1. Re:Yes, but... by ajs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hey, MS spends $5bn in R&D for a lousy OS. A single chappie named Linus maintains the entire Linux kernel in his spare time! Can't say that any more...

      On the other hand, the Linux kernel supports many, many more platforms than Windows, has hundreds of features that Windows does not and handles hundreds of devices, filesystems, network topologies and tools that Windows has never added or given up on for lack of resources.

      That the relatively small number of people maintaining Linux can do so without having to get rid of large portions of the OS is actually rather staggering. Just look at how hard it is for the BSD folks. They do a good job, and I don't belittle them at all. But, it takes a long time to add new features, and they are now in a perpetual mode of catch-up except in a few key areas that each of the BSDs focuses on and manages well.

      Linus has managed Linux VERY well, and while many of his choices were controvercial, the end result has always been a platform that held together and held developers longer than any other project I've ever seen (on average, certainly some other projects like sendmail or bind have had key developers much longer).

      Kudos to Linus and may Linux live long and prosper.

    2. Re:Yes, but... by minus9 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Nor could you say that linux was a stable OS. Stable, in the sense of Solaris or bsd, that is.

      Well it seems fairly stable.

      [root@www /root]# w
      2:43pm up 481 days, 22:46, 1 user, load average: 0.35, 0.34, 0.30
      [root@www /root]# uname -a
      Linux www 2.2.14-5.0smp #1 SMP Tue Mar 7 21:01:40 EST 2000 i686 unknown


    3. Re:Yes, but... by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The actual number of people maintaining the NT Kernel is comparable. The Kernel perf team (with whom I worked) is about 3 people. That total team responsible for the kernel is maybe 50 people -- similar #s for SQL Server.

      There are hordes of "evangelists" and "managers" surrounding the core team. But within the small core group, the personalities and philosphies of the NT team and the Linux folks are remarkably similar, with the minor exception that neither understands why the hell the other exists!

  4. Transmeta, Linus and Marketing... by MosesJones · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Trying not to be overly cynical here is a bit difficult. When Transmeta needed publicity they hired Linus which gave them un-rivaled, and often uncritical, coverage in the US which certainly will have helped in fund-raising. The initial visions and hype have not lived up to their expectations, and especially in the low power end of the market where ARM processors continue to dominate.

    Now that Transmeta are trying to move into a more corporate sphere there is less demand for a posterboy like Linus.

    Its great that Linus is dedicated to the Linux kernel full time, but how much of this is leaving through dedication (for a year) and how much is a result of disappointment at Transmeta not living up to its hype.

    --
    An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
    1. Re:Transmeta, Linus and Marketing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was looking at transmeta based notebooks, couldn't seem to find one that shipped without windowsXP. Hands up anybody who thinks this strange.

    2. Re:Transmeta, Linus and Marketing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've been critical of Transmeta for their hype-building. But one should give them credit for attempting a very tough feat: trying to build an x86 compatible CPU that is faster than both Intel and AMD. This is *not* easy. Particularly since they came on the scene right in the middle of particularly fierce AMD/Intel performance competition. They failed, so they repurposed their design for small power requirements, which is respectable and a reasonable attempt to recover the original investment. And now they find that beating ARM isn't that easy either, eh? Quelle surprise.

    3. Re:Transmeta, Linus and Marketing... by geesus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Have you SEEN linus? If hes a posterboy then I have a shoe in at beauty contests ;)

      --
      Gnome wasnt built in a day.
    4. Re:Transmeta, Linus and Marketing... by molnarcs · · Score: 5, Informative
      Wrong!!! Transmeta hiring Linus was not merely for publicity. They needed his coding expertise. Unless, of course, you say that he was party to this, just to justify your speculation - after he was allowed to speak about what Transmeta is doing (it was secret for years) he spoke in superlative terms about the innovation and excitement involved in creating the code-morphing technology that Transmeta implemented in their Crusoe chips.
      As Torvalds tells it, "The first day ... when they were giving me a feel for what went on at Transmeta. I went back to the hotel that evening and I thought, "These people are CRAZY!" This was more than three years ago, when Transmeta had not a single chip. The simulations ran at GLACIAL speed. Still, The next day, I basically decided that, if I am to go to work for a company, I want to go to work for a company that does something fun - something interesting. And the first, initial reaction that, 'These people are crazy!' is a positive reaction in that sense." So why choose a chip company, when every Linux start-up in the world was after him? Torvalds explains, "I've obviously gotten a lot of job offers from Linux companies, but I didn't want to polarize the Linux market. I'm really happy being an engineer at a company that is very interested in Linux, but is not seen as a Linux company. We're a chip company where Linux is seen as part of a much larger strategy - and that's something I find very comfortable. Besides, Transmeta has been able to give me opportunities that I wouldn't otherwise have had. It's also a very cool vehicle for doing debugging, when you control the whole chip!" And Torvalds' skill as a debugger is legendary around Transmeta. "He's a god," says Dave Taylor, a co-developer of the original Quake who gave up being CEO of his own company to work for Transmeta. "He can look at a Linux display and somehow predict, just from the way it misbehaves, exactly where, in 100,000 lines of code, the problem is. And, nine times out of 10, he's right."
      Read the rest here. Also, this might also be of interest. So no, he was not just a posterboy there.
    5. Re:Transmeta, Linus and Marketing... by Horny+Smurf · · Score: 5, Informative
      except that they weren't "trying to build an x86 compatible CPU that is faster than both Intel and AMD" -- they were trying to build a low-power x86 compatible chip.


      Unfortunately, the CPU isn't the biggest power hog in a notebook, and their cost/power/speed ratio wasn't much better than slowed down pentiums.


      I'm actually very excited by their technology. But the only Crusoe laptops I've seen for sale have had tiny screens and huge price tags. It would be less expensive to buy an iBook/PowerBook and virtual PC than most Crusoe laptops.

  5. This comes at a surprising time... by greppling · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...as he is just about to hand over maintenance of 2.5/2.6 to Andrew Morton. So maybe he actually hopes to do some hacking again, instead of just integrating other peoples' work. Cool!

    1. Re:This comes at a surprising time... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The actual rumors are that he is going to spearhead the jump to the 3.0 kernel...

      A major rewrite is rumored to be in store for linux to give us some features that other OS's only dream of.

      But these are purely the wil rumors that are running around and I give no credibility to.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  6. Again!!! by Spackler · · Score: 5, Funny

    OSDN, The parent of Slashdot, has filed a lawsuit against Linus today for cut-and-pasting the first three letters of OSDN.

    CmdrTaco was quoted and saying "Linus and this Shift-Insert stuff is getting WAY out of control".

    Linus was unavailable to paste in a reply.

    1. Re:Again!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      In the latest development in the OSDN and OSDL. SCO (a leading supplier of litigation to businesses) has threatened to sue both OSDN and OSDL for using the letters 'S' and 'O'.

      Dunce Mcbribe was quoted as saying "The letters 'S' and 'O' are our intellectual property and we believe that they occur in the names of many businesses".

      The world was to busy laughing to reply.

  7. Linus career path by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Work on open source projects
    2. No profit
    3. Get jealous; go to .com startup; startup tanks
    4. No profit
    5. Return to open source projects
    6. No profit

    1. Re:Linus career path by mbrod · · Score: 5, Insightful


      1. Work on open source projects
      2. No profit
      3. Get jealous; go to .com startup; startup tanks
      4. No profit
      5. Return to open source projects
      6. No profit

      7. Being considered the leader of the FREE world, one of the best coders, most honorable people, having made a contribution to all of humanity instead of a contribution only to himself...
      8. Priceless

  8. Predicted itinerary... by AlphaSys · · Score: 5, Funny

    His itinerary includes a brief stop-over in Utah, during which time he will hunt down Darl McBride and maul his body beyond recognition. His court defense will be temporary sanity and David Boies will merrily defend him to acquittal.

    --
    Can I bum a sig? I left mine at the office.
  9. "I'm actually all teary-eyed." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's a leak in the Linus kernel, someone please post a patch.

  10. Breaking news ... by Surak · · Score: 5, Funny

    Linus Torvalds has very recently stated that spam filtering -- right in the kernel -- is now a slated feature for Linux 2.6.

  11. Guy is crazy! by OpenSourced · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Leaving his new, shiny, recently minted e-mail address in the open like that, with all the nasty spammers that prowl the wilderness. Poor, poor address. I notice that his "old" address is properly obscured, but the "new" one is not. Sad mistake :o(

    --
    Rome taught me patience and assiduous application to detail. Virtues which temper the boldness of great, general views.
  12. It made the NYTimes and Kudos to Transmeta by NZheretic · · Score: 5, Informative
    Its made the NYTimes: Prominent Programmer Will Leave Transmeta.

    Kudos to Transmeta for hiring Linus in the first place ( even if they did transport him to the USA in reach of overlitigious bastards such as The SCO Group ) and supporting his work on Linux for so many years.

  13. Changes by slashd'oh · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's something about these two changes I find amusing. I admit I have no idea what they mean, which is probably why:

    Daniel Ritz:
    o [PCMCIA] fix yenta unload oops

    David S. Miller:
    o [TCP]: Use proper time_*() comparisons on jiffies

    1. Re:Changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      yenta unload: now with 20% more chutzpah there, goyim

  14. About OSDL... by sould · · Score: 5, Informative
    from here:


    OSDL is dedicated to enabling Linux and Linux-based applications for data center and carrier-class deployment. We provide the crucial hardware for testing and development at this level, giving open source developers around the world the resources needed to bring Linux further into telecommunications and the enterprise. We are an independently governed, non-profit organization supported by 21 industry leaders.


    Sounds cool

  15. Linus: so thoughtful, human, and down to earth. by Lethyos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That letter is awesome. It's great to have a real, honest, genuine human-being to rally behind.

    This is the greatest things about open-source: the people. People who are willing to donate so much time and effort to the benefit of everyone on earth as opposed to people who want to screw over the world so they can make themselves rich.

    We're much better off than those cheering on phony, cut-throat business men who run and jump around a stage like monkies to the tune of Gloria Estefan.

    --
    Why bother.
  16. Re:Interesting timing. by capt.Hij · · Score: 5, Funny

    Too true, especially when you look down at the bottom of his email:

    Trond Myklebust:
    o Fix rpc dentry list usage
    o Copy comments from System V file system routines to make it more "unix like."

  17. Additional related stuff. by Bootsy+Collins · · Score: 5, Informative

    I submitted this a few hours ago (always a bridesmaid, *snif*), along with two links not in the story above. One was to the NY Times story about it. The other was to this story which just came out at Wired . . .a brief interview with Linus about his efforts to stand apart from political issues surrounding Open Source, which refers to the discussion here on Slashdot about his opinions on incorporating DRM into the Linux kernel (among other things).

  18. OSDL money by lovebyte · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the nytimes article, about OSDL:
    The organization was created with an investment of $20 million from I.B.M., Hewlett-Packard, Intel, Computer Associates, NEC and Fujitsu.

    What no SCO?

    --

    I'll do it for cheesy poofs.

  19. Re:Linux will not succeed on the desktop until... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nice troll. I'll answer anyway.

    1) Who knows? XFree86 draws my windows just fine. 3d is plenty fast using Nvidia drivers. 90% of desktops users won't care what's going on "under the hood".
    2) See 1. Prolly does need a clean up, but I'd say the same about Windows registry. LFS gives good reasons for locations, and there's also good reasons to retain Unix-ness.
    3) Bollocks. Development is astronomically fast.
    4) Usability is being addressed by both KDE and Gnome. Again, how much maintaining does the average user actually do? As far as software management goes, if RedCarpet or Up2Date is too hard, I honestly don't know how much easier it would need to be.

  20. The rats are abandoning the sinking ship! by Gnulix · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally the SCO suit is showing some effect! Linux's leader is abdicating and fleeing the scene. Exactly as the nazis left Germany and took up hiding in South America.

    I guess that this means we can all get back to conducting serious business based on SCO Unix - the bread and butter of many a development company.

    (In 20 years time we'll probably see Torvalds daughter marrying the Swedish king!)

  21. Changing jobs... by TheShadow · · Score: 5, Funny

    While we are posting stories about people changing jobs...

    Just last week I started a new job after a long and tedious four and a half year tenure at my former job. In this new job I'll finally get to work on things other than fighting fires. I'm very excited. Just thought everyone would like to know.

    --

    --
    "What do you want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? Cause I'm married."
  22. Re:Linux will not succeed on the desktop until... by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So let's see, we could :
    1) Scrap KDE and Gnome, put *all* the code into XFree itself, that way everyone is stuck with whatever "paradigms" you think up
    2) Stick every single configuration file into one GIANT configuration file, which would be so big and monsterous that it would require a binary format, along with a special program to edit it and a bunch of API calls to modify it
    3) Make 7-10 different versions of the OS, all built on essentially the same thing, but each requiring their own set of patches and updates
    4) Launch a huge marketing campaign to brainwash people into thinking your product delivers a great "experience"

    Well then you'd just have Windows.

    --

    In Soviet America the banks rob you!
  23. When your job changes are... by doppleganger871 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...posted on Slashdot, you ARE the alpha geek.

    That is all.

  24. Re:Go, Linus, go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What is a kernel? And who is this Linus guy? WINDOWS XP Rocks!

  25. what a sweet deal Linus has by ChristTrekker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many of us can honestly say that we're doing what we love to do? And not just "working at an appropriately geek/tech job" either. I mean, this guy started a project as a hobby, people found value in it, and now he gets a salary to maintain it as he sees fit. When you look at history, even people like Michaelangelo who got to do what they liked doing, and got paid to do it, still had to work on someone else's project. "Michaelangelo, paint this ceiling, something in a biblical motif." Even top athletes get told who to play and when. Not many people have, or have ever had, as sweet a deal as Linus. I have several projects, as well as other non-geeky hobbies, that I scarcely have time for. I wish I could get paid to work on them. Heck, I'd settle for simply having more time for them without pay.

  26. Re:Transmeta sued by SCO? Why? by hesiod · · Score: 5, Funny

    > There's not a single chance for SCO to sue them.

    Not having a good case hasn't stopped them before...