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The Power Behind the SCO Nuisance

akahige writes "Forbes has a fairly detailed story about the sordid history of The Canopy Group and all the various companies they've sued -- Microsoft (who they beat) and CA (this case is still pending), among them. Before joining Caldera, Darl McBride sued IKON Office Solutions, for whom he worked -- and won. And it also seems that a bunch of Canopy power players also sit on SCO's board of directors. The short summary is, 'these guys are professional litigious bastards -- be exceptionally wary.'" A local user's group is planning a protest for tomorrow. Reader myst564 writes: "After reading all of this SCO press I remembered that SCO once offered up all of their 'Ancient UNIX' (their words, not mine) source to the world while retaining all copyrights (i.e, no OSS license). Interestingly enough it WAS located here but isn't any longer: SCO's Ancient Unix. What's more you can read about the original release here at: Linux Today. I downloaded the source myself way back then but never did anything but delete it! Anyway, check out this comment. It's interesting that this was predicted in 2000!"

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  1. Here's a working "Ancient Unix" link.... by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 5, Informative

    You did not count on the Way Back machine Herr Doktor SCO?

    Here's a working link..

    Enjoy!

    1. Re:Here's a working "Ancient Unix" link.... by mirko · · Score: 2, Interesting

      These licenses permit hobbyists and enthusiasts to have access to the source code of these historic releases, for personal and non-commercial use, and to share experiences and code updates with other authorized individuals having corresponding licenses. SCO has received numerous favorable responses from UNIX enthusiasts around the world, including messages such as, "Future computer historians will greatly appreciate what you have achieved!" and "I've wanted access to this material for nearly 20 years! Well done!"

      The keyword has been put in bold: it now looks more like ibm's problem than Linux problem as Linux is supposed to be exchanged a non-commercial way (even though the GPL predicts a reasonable fee may be asked for in order to amort some expenses)...

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    2. Re:Here's a working "Ancient Unix" link.... by DataPath · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's still up at caldera.com
      Here's a link to their license:
      http://shop.caldera.com/caldera/ancient. html

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    3. Re:Here's a working "Ancient Unix" link.... by mirko · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can exchange it with other non-professional users for your personal use, can't you ?

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    4. Re:Here's a working "Ancient Unix" link.... by jonathan_ingram · · Score: 5, Informative
      From here:

      Trolltech's shares are currently owned by employees, the Trolltech Foundation, and 5 investors with the following distribution:

      Employees 71.0%
      Borland 8.3%
      Canopy Group 5.8%
      Trolltech Foundation 5.0%
      Teknoinvest 3.3%
      Orkla 3.3%
      Northzone Ventures 3.3%

      5.8% is hardly 'owning'.
    5. Re:Here's a working "Ancient Unix" link.... by peteo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Heres their press relase.
      Those F'in bastards. You cant hide from your lies. Once its on the net its out there for EVER!

      240 West Center Street
      Orem, Utah 84057
      801-765-4999
      Fax 801-765-4481

      January 23, 2002

      Dear UNIX® enthusiasts,
      Caldera International, Inc. hereby grants a fee free license that includes the rights use, modify and distribute this named source code, including creating derived binary products created from the source code. The source code for which Caldera International, Inc. grants rights are limited to the following UNIX® Operating Systems that operate on the 16-Bit PDP-11 CPU and early versions of the 32-Bit UNIX® Operating System, with specific exclusion of UNIX® System III and UNIX® System V and successor operating systems:

      32-bit
      32V UNIX®
      16 bit UNIX®
      Versions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
      Caldera International, Inc. makes no guarantees or commitments that any source code is available from Caldera International, Inc. The following copyright notice applies to the source code files for which this license is granted.

      Copyright(C) Caldera International Inc. 2001-2002. All rights reserved.

      Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:

      Redistributions of source code and documentation must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.
      All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software must display the following acknowledgement:
      This product includes software developed or owned by Caldera International, Inc.
      Neither the name of Caldera International, Inc. nor the names of other contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission.
      USE OF THE SOFTWARE PROVIDED FOR UNDER THIS LICENSE BY CALDERA INTERNATIONAL, INC.AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL CALDERA INTERNATIONAL, INC. BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE.

      Very truly yours,
      /signed/ Bill Broderick
      Bill Broderick
      Director, Licensing Services

      * UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the US and other countries.

    6. Re:Here's a working "Ancient Unix" link.... by mj01nir · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except that the license is all that's there. Accepting the license responds with a friendly FORBIDDEN error.

      Better to go to the PlanetMirror link instead. They have the license intact, as well as the source files. I post this link to about every other SCO story, you guys haven't been paying attention!.

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    7. Re:Here's a working "Ancient Unix" link.... by MrLint · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I really feel bad for the employees. It takes a toll when you are working for a company who has become the spit of the industry. Not to mention the conseqences to their jobs and their stock value if SCO cant (ha!) beat IBM.

    8. Re:Here's a working "Ancient Unix" link.... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ah, but the guy who supposedly didn't sign an NDA stated that the worst case (the Scheduler) looked like pre-SysV code. While one should take that with a grain of salt, it's going to be hellaciously hard for them to prove that the code is indeed SysV specific AND show that they are the proper owners of said code. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Their case has holes big enough to drive the USS Enterprise (CV-65) straight through.

    9. Re:Here's a working "Ancient Unix" link.... by dspeyer · · Score: 2, Informative

      The real link is this one which doesn't ask for any licence agreement, it just offers it fo rfree to the world.

  2. Then the company sounds parasitic. by zptdooda · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Itâ(TM)s a small fish that feeds on big fish. Not symbiotically either.

    âBut it is very good at getting what it wants from other companies.â

    Thatâ(TM)s because (law) practise makes perfect.

    So then SCO isnâ(TM)t suing IBM because IBM is illegally interfering with implementing their business model, suing (IBM in this case) is their business model.

    What then are they really contributing? Is SCO really a software company? What is it? Maybe it contributes within Canopy, but not for a wider good.

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    1. Re:Then the company sounds parasitic. by TopShelf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So then SCO isnâ(TM)t suing IBM because IBM is illegally interfering with implementing their business model, suing (IBM in this case) is their business model.

      Hopefully, this is where common sense kicks in during the suit. Let's say SCO actually wins its suit against IBM. The damage award would become hotly contested, with each side throwing out their fictitious numbers to be considered. Since SCO is the plaintiff here, they have to put a dollar value on the damages first, and $1 billion just sounds mammoth, but not totally out of this world, considering that IBM is a $20 billion a year company.

      Are they contributing anything to the IS industry? Of course not. But this is America, dammit, where playing the victim can often be the quickest means to success.

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    2. Re: Then the company sounds parasitic. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Insightful


      > What then are they really contributing? Is SCO really a software company? What is it?

      Sounds like the so-called "technology firm" - a bunch of lawyers with a big patent portfolio and nothing better to do for society than shake down innocent passers-by, and use the proceeds to buy up more patents.

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    3. Re:Then the company sounds parasitic. by ReelOddeeo · · Score: 2, Interesting
      once upon a time, you were required to show you were working for the public good in order to be given articles of incorporation.

      There are two ways you can be eligible to receive articles of incorporation. (In most states of the US.) Merely satisfy EITHER of the following requirements...
      1. Show that you are working towards the good of the public
      2. Show that you are working towards the good of elected or appointed officials.
      The second item nowdays is considered redundant, as the first item actually means the second one, and vice versa.
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    4. Re:Then the company sounds parasitic. by yog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can anyone please tell me what impact this has on europeans???

      Yes, I'd be glad to. Stifling the freedom to innovate and rewarding pirates in the world's largest economy is a generally bad thing. Europeans contribute lots of great open source software, but so do Americans. If the Americans slow down on OSS contributions, it will only hurt Europeans. Is that clear enough?

      Generally speaking, if your neighbor is happy and prosperous then you will be happy and prosperous, too. It's a fairly well understood principle. If you take the short-sighted and selfish attitude that what's bad for your neighbor is good for you, then you will get what you deserve.

      If you still don't understand, then I'll put it in terms that even the most self-centered, tunnel-visioned person can relate to. If the American tech economy slows down, the market for European products in the U.S. will shrink and Europeans will make less money.

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  3. Feeling brave??? by monkey_tennis · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quote: "these guys are professional litigious bastards"

    Given the statement that's a fairly brave thing to say in a public forum :)

  4. This is great news for Linux by PhysicsGenius · · Score: 4, Insightful
    No wait, hear me out.

    The GPL has never been tested in court. SCO's claim that they own the Linux source code is clearly ridiculous--how can a person own an idea? So there's no doubt in my mind that Linux will emerge victorious in the end, which makes GPL, and therefore GPL/Linux, even stronger!

    So bring it on, we welcome the test! Any thoughts?

    1. Re:This is great news for Linux by ldspartan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I disagree. This court case will not be a test of the GPL at all, it will be a test of the lawyers on either side. My understanding is that SCO alleges that IBM breached their license of whatever it is that SCO owns and inserted it into the Linux kernel. It has nothing to do with the GPL, and the case promises to be so mind numbingly complex that little quality case law will come out of it.

      I used to think of SCO as a drunk in a knife fight, wildly stabbing about in the hope of drawing blood. This article indicates to me its more like a duel between two masters. I now understand why IBM has been so slow to act in this case, they understand their opponent and are preparing for a fierce battle.

      This is very much bad news.

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    2. Re:This is great news for Linux by Enrico+Pulatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yep, no person can own an idea--Amazon.com owns them!

    3. Re:This is great news for Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There's an article on vnunet that hints at what is really going on. It's sleazier than most have even imagined. When IBM, SCO and Sequent got together for project Monteray, the Sequent code for RCU, NUMA and other scalability enhancements were integrated in to the SysV OS they were building. While Sequent, and later IBM, owned their own code, SCO owned the rights to determine its continued usage. This is a result of the rather odious old ATT license agreements.

      So, what SCO is claiming isn't that Linux has code taken from anything SCO ever created. They are claiming that Linux has code that was created by Sequent (now owned by IBM) and IBM and that the Unix licensing agreements give SCO rights over that code. SCO is suing IBM for giving away its own code because a goofy licensing agreement says they can.

    4. Re:This is great news for Linux by hendridm · · Score: 3, Funny

      For some reason, all I can picture is that scene from independence day where a bunch of people (SCO) are standing on top of the building cheering for (taunting) the big alien ship (IBM) that is slowly hovering over them, and without warning, emits an enormous death ray that quickly vaporizes them and destroys most of the city. IBM might move slowly, but they carry a big stick.

    5. Re:This is great news for Linux by zurkog · · Score: 5, Funny

      This article indicates to me its more like a duel between two masters.

      IBM: [struggling to keep SCO away] There's something I ought to tell you.
      SCO: Tell me!
      IBM: I'm not left-handed either.

    6. Re:This is great news for Linux by hndrcks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I disagree further. This is not really a test of GPL or lawyers - this is a test of Cathedral vs. Bazaar - specifically, those companies and entities whose fortunes are tied to closed - source, proprietary code casting fear and doubt on open-source and collaborative development methods.

      Unless SCO loses completely and fully - even if they only win on some small technical point - Microsoft will never let it go. They will beat every IT manager over the head with the 'risk of IP contamination' that open-source methods supposedly have.

      Yes, this is bad news...

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    7. Re:This is great news for Linux by HBI · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe, but i'm not sure that is how it will end up. Note that IBM hasn't filed any countersuits yet.

      Watch for those.

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  5. Obvious opportunity by worst_name_ever · · Score: 5, Funny
    these guys are professional litigious bastards

    Thanks for the libel, we were wondering who we were going to sue today. See you in court!

    Sincerely,
    The SCO Corporation

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    1. Re:Obvious opportunity by tuffy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Thanks for the libel, we were wondering who we were going to sue today. See you in court!

      It's only libel if it's not true. And it'll be hard to prove one isn't a professional litigious bastard while suing someone else for being called that :)

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    2. Re:Obvious opportunity by lovebyte · · Score: 5, Funny

      professional litigious yes, but bastard? I demand a DNA test !

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    3. Re:Obvious opportunity by harrkev · · Score: 4, Interesting
      these guys are professional litigious bastards
      Thanks for the libel, we were wondering who we were going to sue today. See you in court!


      Just a comment (probably naieve and dumb), but why can't we turn the tables on SCO?

      Surely there are a lot of "mom & pop" computer stored with a few distro's of linux lying around. They could take SCO to their local small-claims court and sue for their loss of revenue due to SCO's unfounded ranting and raving hurting their sales of retail packages of Red Hat, SUSE, Mandrake, etc. You could take this to small claims court, where it is usually something like $30 to start a suit.

      Most places have a small claims limit of something like $500 or so, but $500 x (number of counties in US) is a whopping huge number. And it would cost more to hire a lawyers in every county than it would to pay the claims off.

      The entire community could be a royal pain in the @$$ to SCO!
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    4. Re:Obvious opportunity by dcavanaugh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "And it'll be hard to prove one isn't a professional litigious bastard while suing someone else for being called that"

      Ah yes, the Catch-22 defense.

    5. Re:Obvious opportunity by KillerHamster · · Score: 2, Funny

      We at SCO have determined that IBM has illegally inserted our valuable DNA into the public gene pool. This is not just a few molecules; whole strands have been copied. Anyone using DNA is guilty of copyright infringment. You will be receiving letters from our legal team soon.

  6. Impressive !!! by da5idnetlimit.com · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bill Baxter - Subject: Not Open Source, I'm afraid. ( Feb 23, 2000, 00:01:50 )
    Note that these releases are not open source. SCO retain rights to the source code. Maybe they even hope that some of their code will wind up in linux, so that they can then sue, and render the Linux license terms invalid. Or would they be that spiteful? My guess == yes.

    Really a good hunch, this one...

    But, even if they retain the rights, the fact they had them published publicly make the source open knowledge, no ?

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    1. Re:Impressive !!! by Xentax · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hit the "wayback" links and read the License Agreement SCO was offering these sources under.

      It's sufficiently restrictive such that you most certainly can't copy the code into a GPL'd product -- not legally, at least.

      Of course, that's assuming the source SCO's providing you (for 100 bucks, by and large) is your ONLY way of accessing the code. The case IBM and the Linux community at large will make (I'm pretty sure) is that the violations SCO claims are NOT violations because SCO's code wasn't the only means of obtaining that code, or at least the algorithms in question.

      Xentax

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    2. Re:Impressive !!! by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 2, Interesting
      But, even if they retain the rights, the fact they had them published publicly make the source open knowledge, no?

      IANAL, but no, probably not. But any trade secret claims they have that are in that code would be void I think.

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    3. Re:Impressive !!! by JanneM · · Score: 2, Informative

      Their suit against IBM is based largely on trade secret missappropriation. So it is very relevant, should any of those "trade secrets" turn out to be in that code.

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  7. I got a plan!! by MongooseCN · · Score: 3, Funny

    Lets all invest our money in SCOs stock!! Then they are guaranteed to tank and go out of business in no time! It's time we made this tech bubble burst work FOR us.

    1. Re:I got a plan!! by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lets all invest our money in SCOs stock!! Then they are guaranteed to tank and go out of business in no time! It's time we made this tech bubble burst work FOR us.

      Hell, why not just get all /.ers to toss in $20 and BUY SCO? Then we could forget about all this crap and get on with news that really matters... (what's Natalie up to these days?).

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    2. Re:I got a plan!! by ReelOddeeo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Lets all invest our money in SCOs stock

      This does not help nor hurt SCO. It helps their current shareholders. Which happen to be, the people who are doing these actions, in order to get bought. In other words, you are proposing that we do exactly what they are wanting us to do. Buy them to make this go away.

      If IBM won't just buy them to make them go away, then why should we? IBM has much more interest at stake. It would cost IBM significantly less than $3 Billion.

      Doing this also sends a message that a viable business model is...
      1. Sue some major company promoting any particular Open Source project
      2. Wait to get bought out
      3. Profit
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  8. For the /.'ed by Gortbusters.org · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is what Linux Today says:

    Santa Cruz Operations often referred to as "SCO" but known internally as "S-C-O" has made a number of straight UNIX source codes available to the public. The source code for:

    Mini UNIX
    UNIX V6
    PWB UNIX
    UNIX V7 (which also covers Editions 1-5, and the 32V)

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    1. Re:For the /.'ed by RLiegh · · Score: 3, Informative

      So, that brings up an obvious question:

      Is the ancient software found at
      http://www.tuhs.org/archive_sites.html legal?

      What is the probability that SCO will rescind the public availability of it?

    2. Re:For the /.'ed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      There is NO probability that SCO can or will do ANYTHING about it. This Slashdot article represents a COMPLETE misunderstanding about the Caldera Ancient Unix release. Caldera released the Ancient UNIX code in 2001 under a BSD style license. This did NOT include System V, which is what SCO is suing about. SCO can do NOTHING about the Ancient UNIX release.

      Anyways, the long license agreement for Ancient UNIX was the one you had to sign BEFORE IT WAS RELEASED UNDER THE BSD STYLE LICENSE!!! Now all the old releases of BSD which use some ancient UNIX code are open to the public as well, and the *BSD systems have been integrating this code into their own systems to replace GPL licensed utilities.

  9. archive.org I love you!!! by Lxy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Courtesy of the wayback machine:

    http://www.sco.com/offers/ancient_unix.html

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    :wq
  10. Even better, you can still download the code... by myst564 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yeah that's right, you can still download the code

    1. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by MickLinux · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So isn't this the place to start with the MD5 hash checking? I mean, that's something to work with.

      Unfortunately, I am *not* a coder any more, and probably don't have the space, and definitely don't have the time to do this. But someone else could.

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    2. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by MasonMcD · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The reason for the moniker "ancient UNIX," note the EULA, section 3 (SysV is specifically excluded):

      3. LICENSED SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS

      The SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS to which SCO grants rights under this AGREEMENT are restricted to the following UNIX Operating Systems, including SUCCESSOR OPERATING SYSTEMs, that operate on the 16-Bit PDP-11 CPU and early versions of the 32-Bit UNIX Operating System with specific exclusion of UNIX System V and successor operating systems:

      16-Bit UNIX Editions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 32-bit 32V


    3. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by eXtro · · Score: 5, Informative

      It depends really. A MD5 hash will only tell if entire files were misappropriated verbatim. So throwing on a GNU header, adding in a changelog entry for a bug fix etc would all invalidate the MD5 hash. I do not believe that there is any truth to the SCO claims, but MD5 hashes wouldn't be proof in favour of linux either.

      A first step would be to use a regexp to spit out all the comments into a file sorted by some key. Do this for both the SCO and linux code bases. Toss out all the comments which aren't in both lists and you now have a file with common comments. This would be where to start looking, if you see non-trivial verbatim comments then further investigation would be needed.

    4. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by babbage · · Score: 2, Interesting
      True, but this at least gives us something more substantial to work with. Cases like the alleged blocks of code with duplicated comments &c. should now be identifiable, and can be revised accordingly. This wasn't possible until a copy of the SCO source was found.

      To avoid "polluting" developers, a tech savvy lawyer can run the diffs, and then let the kernel team know that "lines X-Y of file Z need to be edited" without explaining any further.

    5. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by mikeee · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, no, this was gone over before; you MD5 hash each consecutive five-line set (including overlapping ones) for each set of source, sort the list of hashes, do the same for Linux, and then run through the list of MD5s looking for matches.

      That'll give you hits for any five-line segment of code that matches anywhere between the two.

    6. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by Xoro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately, the MD5 checking won't lead us to the core of SCO's complaints. After reading this inteview, it seems that they claim IP rights to all licensed derivatives of SysV, not just their "ancient" codebase.

      That is, they say their license agreements w/ IBM, Sun, etc. give them control over the bits in AIX, Solaris, etc. that were developed by the licensee. So it seems that if IBM develops a special memory locking scheme for AIX then shares it with linux, SCO still claims a violation even though they played no part in developing the code.

      Here is the relevant comment:

      When we take a top-tier view of the amount of code showing up inside of Linux today that is either directly related to our Unix System 5 that we directly own or is related to one of our flavors of Unix that we have derivative works rights over--we don't necessarily own those flavors, but we have control rights over how that information gets disseminated--the amount is substantial. We're not talking about just lines of code; we're talking about entire programs. We're talking about hundred of thousands of lines of code.

      Where people get a little confused is when they think of SCO Unix as just the Unix that runs the cash register at McDonalds. We think of this as a tree. We have the tree trunk, with Unix System 5 running right down the middle of the trunk. That is our core ownership position on Unix.

      Off the tree trunk, you have a number of branches, and these are the various flavors of Unix. HP-UX, IBM's AIX, Sun Solaris, Fujitsu, NEC--there are a number of flavors out there. SCO has a couple of flavors, too, called OpenServer and UnixWare. But don't confuse the branches with the trunk. The System 5 source code, that is really the area that gives us incredible rights, because it includes the control rights on the derivative works that branch off from that trunk.

      And they say the GPL is viral!

      Now I have no idea if this claim is true, if it's in the contract or if it's enforceable, but it make SCO's claims seem a little less bizarre.

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    7. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by Bazzargh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      He's talkin about MD5 hashing of small sections, as someone suggested the other day here.

      If you actually have the source code, there are other fairly quick ways to find copy & pastes, eg the BWT-based method I implemented in CPD.

      That method is pretty fast - it mainly depends on the file scanning time, not the sort we used to find the duplicates (eg using a suffix tree sort instead of quicksort won't gain you much here). However its a bit of a memory hog. I originally wrote the algorithm in perl, though, and it used a lot less - it would probably work on something the size of Linux.

      I've come up with a new variation based on rysnc that will be quicker than the original MD5 suggestion, still requires no access to the original source, and sucks a hell of a lot less memory than the BWT method. Its also possible to do incremental checks (extremely quickly) using this method, something we couldn't do before.

      There are other interesting techniques based on gzip and the like if this kind of thing interests you.

    8. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by MickLinux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First, let me point out that IBM does not have the right to transfer the rights of individual developers the world over, to SCO. So even if they put SCO code into the kernel, SCO could at most require it to be removed. Whether that would require the removal of whole programs, or individual sections of code, is up to individual lawsuits of SCO against individual developers. Those lawsuits, in turn, would probably turn on such things as whether the developer knew that this was SCO code.

      If I sue John in a court of law, I can't ask the court to award me Bill's house. That lawsuit has to be against Bill. And I *definitely* can't sue Mary for living in the house that she rented in good faith from Bill, especially before said lawsuit against Bill reaches a conclusion.

      Nonetheless, the MD5 hash checking [of the 5-line segments, as described on slashdot]] still will be useful. First, it will tell us what code coincides. That allows us to look for BSD coincidences: BSD source automatically cleans that code. We don't have to worry about it. Next, it allows us to track down and start talking to individual developers, to find out where the code came from: published material in a textbook that predates SCO's work cleans code also. Finally, for those programs that remain unsure, it allows us to immediately start recoding those programs or finding alternatives, so that even before any decision [like my hypothetical lawsuit vs. Mary vs. Bill vs. John above] the code can be clean. In that way, no work is ever legally held to be derivative. Only former work is held to be derivative, which is a major difference, especially against Microsoft's / SCO's / Forbes' FUD.

      Just out of wondering, I wonder how to get a Sourceforge "code cleaning project" going. Could that be done?

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    9. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by the+gnat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      it make SCO's claims seem a little less bizarre.

      No, it makes them seem a little more bizarre. SCO is still claiming that large chunks of original SysV code ended up in Linux, and that this predates IBM's involvement in the kernel. They have only recently amended their claims to cover technologies developed as add-ons to SysV but not originally part of it, which might be covered under some contract. Darl's bluster about the Linux community's indifference to IP rights has no real basis if the only violation were along the lines of IBM adding JFS or RCU to the kernel.

      I'd say this is actually the most bizarre claim made by SCO yet. I find it hard to believe that companies like IBM would have ever signed a contract that gave away so many potential pieces of IP, but this is almost more plausible than the idea that IBM would have allowed wholesale copying of original SysV code into Linux. I've heard of contracts this dumb, but IBM has produced many operating systems in the past fifty years and there's no reason for them to sign away their future for a not-particularly-advanced chunk of code like SysV.

      Regardless, SCO's credibility is pretty much gone due to the way they continually change their claims to be even more nonsensical.

    10. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by valisk · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or maybe you could look here for a whole list of mirrors containing the v6, v7, 2.2BSD 4BSD etc releases and sources.
      All helpfully provided by the Unix Heritage Society

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    11. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by maelstrom · · Score: 4, Informative

      A simple run through indent would mask code copying this way. As an undergrad our software engineering class had us write a cheat detector for C source code. Our code removed white space and comments and then tokenized the C code. It compared the tokenized versions across multiple lines. You could move functions around, change variable names, add white space and comments and our program could detect a similarity.

      Running a MD5 hash is quite frankly useless. Almost certainly the two kernel trees have different code styles. Linus uses an 8 space indent, which as far as I can tell is pretty rare. Any code that would have been inserted would have at least been ran through indent.

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    12. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by Ugmo · · Score: 2, Informative

      IANAB (I am not a biologist) but this sounds vaguely to me like the way the human genome was sequenced. They broke up the chromosomes into millions of short overlapping sequences, sequenced the pieces and then worked out how to put them together again. I know nothing about either process but maybe someone who knows more may make something of this connection (maybe use genome algorithms, DNA fingerprinting to check code fragments ???)

    13. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by tetra103 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe it's just me, but it sounds like the death of System V UNIX. I believe the statement to be correct. Most all commercial Unix vendors branch from System V. Even Linux has a fair amount of roots tangled with System V. Just because most Unix OS's are dirived from System V doesn't make SCO's case any more legit though. That's just my opinion.

      Although I think SCO's lawsuit is nothing but FUD with the backing from Microsoft. In court who knows what will happen. O.J. got away clean and so did Microsoft. When it comes to the justice system, I have very little confidence that justice will be served. So maybe we do have something to fear.

      I don't know too much about what SCO is battling over, but I think the only safe Unix's out there are ones based off the BSD Lite tree. As far as I know, FreeBSD and NetBSD are totally free of System V source code right? So SCO couldn't even in their wildest dreams touch them with their sue happy plans could they? I'm not a *BSD advocate, but is this not true? I know BSD Lite wasn't a complete OS, but after the court battles in the early 90's with ATT and BSD, I'm under the impression that BSD did indeed purge ALL System V code from their tree. The kernel is totally free of ATT code as I understand it.

    14. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by intermodal · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd say this is actually the most bizarre claim made by SCO yet.

      I wouldn't. I think the most bizarre claim is that SCO says IBM misappropriated trade secrets yet they have posted the code online freely accessible themselves.

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    15. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by ichimunki · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Why go to all that trouble? If SCO wants to claim infringement it is up to them to prove that a) there is duplicate code and b) that the flow of code was from SCO into Linux and not vice versa (or from some pre-existing code base into both SCO code and Linux). So far, they've been very reluctant to even say which pieces of Linux are infringing. They don't have to show anyone there own code base to do that. And if they aren't going to at least say which parts of Linux are in violation, I think the best thing to do (unless maybe you are part of the IBM legal defense team) is ignore them until they do.

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    16. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by nosferatu-man · · Score: 2, Interesting

      MD5 is goofy stupid for this kind of thing. You'd want to use gzip.

      'jfb

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    17. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by Darby · · Score: 2, Funny

      Linus uses an 8 space indent, which as far as I can tell is pretty rare

      I'm surprised nobody has told him that you can adjust that in vi.
      Think I should post the info to LKML ;-)

    18. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by d_i_r_t_y · · Score: 5, Informative

      IAABAAP (i am a biologist and a programmer), and the 2 processes are not really similar. most higher organism genomes are chock full of very highly repetitive genetic filler/rubbish/crap, which makes the gene assembly *way* more difficult.

    19. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by blazerw11 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Running a MD5 hash is quite frankly useless.

      Stop arguing the point! The instructions for using MD5 to compare the source code were given yesterday as a way of determining the matching code without violating the NDA. The inquirer article.

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    20. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by lspd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you strip the whitespace before hashing it does turn up a few interesing things.

      Comparing the code from the PDP kernel in sys3.tar.gz and the Linux 2.4.21 kernel there is a good match between the mfree function in usr/src/uts/pdp11/os/malloc.c around line 69, and the atefree function in arch/ia64/sn/io/ate_utils.c around line 187. It certainly looks like the version in SYS3 was used to create the version in 2.4.21. Take a look at the comments in these files, they're almost identical.

      The copyright on the Linux version attributes this file to Silicon Graphics. Anyone want to grep for the same comments in a BSD kernel or provide a history of this file?

    21. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by Drakonian · · Score: 3, Funny
      Wow. If their claim is true and enforceable those are pretty amazing rights.

      Actually, I have some bad news for you all. I have copyright and full dsitribution rights to the "Hello World" (c) program. If any of you have ever started off a project with "Hello World" (c), regardless of what your program eventually became, then I own the full rights to your program. And I'm gonna sue you all for a combined 1 gazillion dollars.

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    22. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by urulokion · · Score: 4, Informative
      I don't know too much about what SCO is battling over, but I think the only safe Unix's out there are ones based off the BSD Lite tree. As far as I know, FreeBSD and NetBSD are totally free of System V source code right? So SCO couldn't even in their wildest dreams touch them with their sue happy plans could they? I'm not a *BSD advocate, but is this not true? I know BSD Lite wasn't a complete OS, but after the court battles in the early 90's with ATT and BSD, I'm under the impression that BSD did indeed purge ALL System V code from their tree. The kernel is totally free of ATT code as I understand it.

      No that isn't quite right. Unix System Laboratories (USL) and Novell brough a suit against several parties including Univ. of Calif. Berkeley and Berkely System Design, Inc. over large portions of 4.4BSD. The lawsuit was for trademark violations, copyright infringement and disclosing trade secrets. (Sound familiar?)

      The case was settled after it was found that USL and Novell incorporated large swathes of BSD code going back to before 1985. This included code was in violation of the BSD license because the BSD copyrights and license attributions where removed. BSD threaten to countersue, and the judge indicationed that BSD was very likely to win.

      The settlement terms were sealed, but depending on who you ask, the settlement only affected 3 or 4 BSD files out of 16,000+ source files. That code base went to become 4.1BSD Lite. The common code base that today BSDs derive.

      According to Eric Raymond (from 6/10 TheLinxShow.com, 1:00:00 timemark), AT&T and Novell effectively lost propriatary claim to a large part of the System V code. The code that was common to the System VR4 and 4.1BSD releases. This is due to the 1993 lawsuit settlement. SCO is contrained by that settlement as well.

    23. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by lspd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I downloaded a copy of the OpenBSD 2.7 kernel and I don't see it. I realize there are a variety of possible explanations and I'm not a kernel developer so I don't really understand the context of this code or its history, but on the surface it certainly doesn't look good.

    24. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by heli0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10061

      This is how you can do it.

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    25. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by lspd · · Score: 2, Informative

      After going even further back, this code appears at least as early as Unix Release 5 with a Copyright of 1973 by Bell Telephone Inc. The comments appear later, but the code is basicly the same. I assume it was in BSD at some point, but why does the Linux version claim that Silicon Graphics owns the copyright?

    26. Re:Even better, you can still download the code... by Dahan · · Score: 2, Informative
      That code base went to become 4.1BSD Lite.

      Actually, that's 4.4BSD Lite, released in 1994... there was no 4.1BSD Lite, and 4.1BSD is from 1981, long predating the 1992 USL vs. BSDI lawsuit.

      This is due to the 1993 lawsuit settlement. SCO is contrained by that settlement as well.

      The lawsuit was settled on February 4, 1994. Check the announcement.

      P.S. The BSD Family Tree.

  11. Uphil Battle by Foofoobar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well IMHO...

    SCO is going to have a harder time making a case because the Linux community is EXTREMELY tech savvy and we are past the beginning of the information age. Most people absorb info pertaining to topics of interest on a daily basis and geeks even more so.

    Should the GPL or Linux be in danger, you have a couple million experts out there waiting to testify or share evidence AGAINST SCO. Though the may be litigious geniuses, they are fighting an uphill battle.

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    1. Re:Uphil Battle by ldspartan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They don't have to convince the Linux community, they have to convince 12 jurors and a judge. (And appeals courts, but who's counting.)

      Oh, and you'd be surprised at the barrier of entry for being an expert witness.

      I really don't think the community will be of any use in this case.

  12. Low-hanging fruit gone? by IceAgeComing · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There once was a time when anyone wanting to get rich quick could join the Bureau of Indian Affairs or start a railroad. I guess those times are gone and stepping on toes is becoming the order of the day.

    I'm trying to remain positive and think that this is part of an evolution toward revolution. Maybe someday we as a society can shame these people away.

  13. Fairness is what is going to get linux killed by peripatetic_bum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These guys in Utah are no dummies. The crunchies in the Linux community should be paying more attention.

    I know which side I'm on, and I know everyone is pretty sure they know what side they are on, but I cant help getting the feeling that Linux side is relying way to much on the Fair principle and forgetting that it is quite difference from Justice in the legal systems.

    What I am trying to say is that
    Justice does not equal Fairness.
    Ie It may not be Fair what SCO is trying to pull, but the legal courts are also concerned with what is Just and in this we are talking money and if the legal courts are about anything, they are about money. Making sure there are legal grounds to protect property (money).

    Thus, What I see is the linux community simply yelling ,"That's not Fair!" while SCO continues to pound away. How many of us had the "Life-isnt-always-Fair" revelation?

    Is the Linux community about to get the same?

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    1. Re:Fairness is what is going to get linux killed by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Thus, What I see is the linux community simply yelling ,"That's not Fair!" while SCO continues to pound away."

      It's not just the Linux people yelling it, but Big Bad IBM as well! SCO may be in for a serious pounding themselves.

      The burden of proof is on SCO here, and I cannot imagine that they'll be allowed to block use of Linux because of a copyright infringement, without disclosing the offending code portions to Linux developers so they can replace/remove them. That would be like them sueing you for using patented and unlicenced building materials in the construction of your house, and demanding that you vacate the place and tear it down, rather than pointing out the offending bits, because that would be contrary to their trade secrets. No court would stand for that, especially if the material has been publicly published previously (without granting a license, mind), as has happened with the SCO code.

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    2. Re:Fairness is what is going to get linux killed by ksheff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry, this isn't about the linux community and what's 'fair'. It's about sleazeballs trying to extort $3billion from IBM. Big Blue is going to do it's best to make sure that doesn't happen. Besides, people aren't just whining that it's not fair. They are also showing where SCO is wrong on just about all their claims.

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    3. Re:Fairness is what is going to get linux killed by Seahawk · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know which side I'm on, and I know everyone is pretty sure they know what side they are on, but I cant help getting the feeling that Linux side is relying way to much on the Fair principle and forgetting that it is quite difference from Justice in the legal systems.

      I have no idea exactly how the american justice system works, but it sounds like its not fair!

      Where I live(In denmark), I cant remember a single case where I thought the decision was definately unfair - usually they get it right!

      So I really only see this SCO problem as an american problem - if needs be, I'm sure linux will continue outside US as GPL'ed software!

      If there are any offending code in linux, a danish judge would most likely say that Linus didnt have a chance to know that it was copyrighted code, and order the infringing code to be removed imidiately - but we all know thats pretty unlikely to pose a problem!

      And this would imho be a fair verdict!

    4. Re:Fairness is what is going to get linux killed by Fnkmaster · · Score: 3, Interesting
      "The Linux side"... oh, you must mean this Linux side. Yes, I'm sure their lawyers are sitting back and saying "well, we don't really need to sweat this case, because we're in the right, and we know that always leads to victory." Heh. You do realize that "SCO vs. Linux" may be going on in the court of public opinion, but in the justice system, it's "SCO vs. IBM", right?


      The problem is this is a lawsuit between SCO and IBM. The Linux community may have an opinion on that suit, but a community can't really bring a suit for somebody verbally defecating on their common favorite product - this isn't Germany, and we don't have strong laws in the US against verbal diarrhea (note that there are now injunctions against SCO in Germany for some of their behavior in this conflict - because the Linux community there DID do something about it). The Linux community can't do much except chest pound since SCO hasn't done much except chest pound, unless a specific commercial organization (like Redhat for example) decides to sue SCO for interfering with their business relationships, defamation, libel, or something else. If I was the CEO of Redhat, I think you'd see that I have a rather big swinging dick, and I'd get my lawyers on these fucks in no time. Of course, IBM still has a hell of a lot more money to litigate this and it makes some sense to let SCO continue to attack those who can well afford an excellent defense (and counter-offense) until SCO moves to actually do anything except blabber their mouth at anybody else.

    5. Re:Fairness is what is going to get linux killed by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 2, Informative

      What I am trying to say is that
      Justice does not equal Fairness.
      Ie It may not be Fair what SCO is trying to pull, but the legal courts are also concerned with what is Just and in this we are talking money and if the legal courts are about anything, they are about money. Making sure there are legal grounds to protect property (money).


      Justice is supposed to be fair, but in the U.S., it is not. Sad to say, but the American legal system, once the best in the world, has become hopelessly corrupt. This is why I choose to live elsewhere.

      Now, if you are an American, please note: when one has a serious problem such as alcoholism or corruption of one's legal system, the first step in curing it is to stop denying that, which is plainly obvious to everybody but oneself.

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  14. God, not again by siskbc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's not, eh? A weak test isn't a test. And I don't really think IBM gives that much of a shit about the GPL compared to beating the shit out of SCO. Also, as mentioned ad nauseam on here, allowing SCO to even make the braindead contention that the GPL screwed their IP could be nothing but bad for Linux in general. Look, if SCO's CEO says the GPL screwed them, other companies' CEO's might listen and prevent their CIO's from implementing linux. We'd just as soon avoid that, I expect.

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  15. Trolltech [QT Makers] is owned by those guys? by dexterace · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you take a look on their homepage, you can spot TrollTech's Logo! What are the interests of these people in TrollTech and QT?

    1. Re:Trolltech [QT Makers] is owned by those guys? by MonkeyBoyUk · · Score: 2, Informative
      Looking at Trolltech's site and using their search facility you can find references to SCO as a supported platform of QT, nothing too scary.

      For example: TMake 1.3 Release Notes

    2. Re:Trolltech [QT Makers] is owned by those guys? by NickStNick · · Score: 4, Informative
      The (evil) Canopy Group owns a whopping 5.8% of Trolltech.

      See breakdown at TrollTech investors

      So - yes, Virginia, they have an interest in Trolltech, and no, it's not a controlling intrest. Though maybe they could sue their way to the top?

  16. Joining the protest? by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the protest link:

    To close, let me re-iterate that this needs to stay legal:

    1) Go onto their property
    2) Talk to ANY customers entering and leaving the premesis
    3) Disturb normal business activities
    4) Block traffic or people on the sidewalk

    Perhaps there was meant to be a NOT in there somewhere?

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    1. Re:Joining the protest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Those lines were copied from another email in the thread. It said "Not" before. :-)

    2. Re:Joining the protest? by soren.harward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, negate those. It was late at night during finals week, and I made a careless cut and paste.

  17. Also... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Interesting


    > And it also seems that a bunch of Canopy power players also sit on SCO's board of directors. The short summary is, 'these guys are professional litigious bastards -- be exceptionally wary.'

    I can't find the link, but someone posted to one of the (many) Slashdot SCO stories last week with a link showing that about half a dozen board members had bought large numbers of shares at greatly discounted prices just a few weeks before SCO gave IBM the original ultimatum. (When I say "discounted" I mean far below even the 60Â/share that SCOX was worth back then.)

    Coincidence?

    Someone please post that link again, if you have it.

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  18. I've worked for a Canopy company by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Check out all the Canopy-funded company : only one is viable, and it's Center 7.

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  19. SCO Ancient Unix Software License Agreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    SCO Ancient Unix
    Software License Agreement

    THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. ("SCO") HEREBY GRANTS TO YOU THE SPECIAL SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT STATED BELOW ONLY FOR THE PURPOSES STATED IN THIS SPECIAL SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT. BY DOWNLOADING, INSTALLING, OR USING THE ANCIENT UNIX SOURCE CODE, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE READ THIS SPECIAL SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT, UNDERSTAND IT, AND AGREE TO BE BOUND BY IT.

    THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. SPECIAL SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR ANCIENT UNIX SOURCE CODE (AGREEMENT)

    A. THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC., a California corporation (SCO), having an office at 400 Encinal Street, Santa Cruz, California 95061-1900 and you as LICENSEE, agree that, as of the Effective Date hereof, as defined in Section 7.1, the terms and conditions set forth in this AGREEMENT shall apply to use by LICENSEE of SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS subject to this AGREEMENT.

    B. SCO makes certain licensing rights for SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS available under this AGREEMENT, including rights to make and use DERIVED BINARY PRODUCTS. Such SOURCE CODE PRODUCT is identified in Section 3 of this AGREEMENT .

    C. This AGREEMENT sets forth the entire agreement and understanding between the parties as to the subject matter hereof and merges all prior discussions between them, and neither of the parties shall be bound by any conditions, definitions, warranties, understandings or representations with respect to such subject matter other than as expressly provided herein or as duly set forth on or subsequent to the date of acceptance hereof in writing and signed by a proper and duly authorized representative of the party to be bound thereby. No provision appearing on any form originated by LICENSEE shall be applicable unless such provision is expressly accepted in writing by an authorized representative of SCO.

    D. The AUTHORIZED COUNTRY for this AGREEMENT shall be any countries not excluded by Section 5.2

    I. DEFINITIONS

    1.1 AUTHORIZED COUNTRY means one or more countries specified above.

    1.2 CPU means a computer having one or more processing units and a single global memory space.

    1.3 COMPUTER PROGRAM means any instruction or instructions for controlling the operation of a CPU.

    1.4 DERIVED BINARY PRODUCT means COMPUTER PROGRAMS in OBJECT CODE format based on a SOURCE CODE PRODUCT.

    1.5 DESIGNATED CPU means all CPUs licensed as such for a specific SOURCE CODE PRODUCT.

    1.6 OBJECT CODE means a COMPUTER PROGRAM in binary form, resulting from the compilation of SOURCE CODE by computer or compiler into machine executable code and which is in a form of computer programs not convenient to human understanding of the program logic, but which is appropriate for execution or interpretation by computer.

    1.7 SOURCE CODE means COMPUTER PROGRAMS written in certain programming languages in electronic media form and in a form convenient for reading and review by a trained individual, such
    as a printed or written listing of programs, containing specific algorithms, instructions, plans, routines and the like, for controlling the operation of a computer system, but which is not in a form that would be suitable for execution directly on computer hardware.

    1.8 SOURCE CODE PRODUCT means a SCO software offering, primarily in SOURCE CODE form. Such offering may also include OBJECT CODE components.

    1.9 SUCCESSOR OPERATING SYSTEM means a SCO software offering that is (i) specifically designed for a 16-Bit computer, or (ii) the 32V version, and (iii) specifically excludes UNIX System V and
    successor operating systems.

    2. GRANT OF RIGHTS

    2.1 (a) SCO grants to LICENSEE a personal, nontransferable and nonexclusive right to use, in the AUTHORIZED COUNTRY, each SOURCE CODE PRODUCT identified in Section 3 of this AGREEMENT, solely for personal use (as restricted in Section 2.1(b)) and solely on or in conjunction with DESIGNATED CPUs, and/or Networks of CPUs, licensed by LICENSEE through this SPECIAL SOFTW

  20. They still running GNU/Linux by lederhosen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    OS, Web Server and Hosting History for sco.com
    OS Server Last changed IP address Netblock Owner
    Linux Apache/1.3.14 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 PHP/4.3.2-RC 17-Jun-2003 216.250.140.112 NFT
    Linux Apache/1.3.14 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 PHP/4.0.3pl1 28-Nov-2002 216.250.140.112 NFT
    Linux Apache/1.3.14 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 PHP/4.0.3pl1 12-Aug-2002 216.250.140.125 NFT
    SCO UNIX Netscape-FastTrack/2.01 26-Mar-2002 132.147.210.109 Caldera, Inc.
    SCO UNIX unknown 24-Mar-2002 132.147.210.109 Caldera, Inc.
    SCO UNIX Netscape-FastTrack/2.01 10-Oct-2001 132.147.210.109 Caldera, Inc.
    SCO UNIX Netscape-Enterprise/2.01 30-Mar-2001 209.1.8.14 Cable & Wireless
    SCO UNIX unknown 29-Mar-2001 209.1.8.14 Cable & Wireless
    SCO UNIX Netscape-Enterprise/2.01 23-Dec-2000 209.1.8.14 Cable & Wireless
    SCO UNIX unknown 22-Dec-2000 209.1.8.14 Cable & Wireless

  21. Wayback Machine to the Rescue by buck09 · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can find the archived pages for SCO's Ancient Unix Source Code here.


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  22. Why SCO will prevail in lawsuit by ReelOddeeo · · Score: 4, Funny

    It has now become clear to me that SCO has a very good chance of winning every single one of their claims.

    By observing the public statements made almost daily by SCO and their spokespeople, the secret of their strategy has emerged and I now clearly see it. There is a very real and serious danger here.

    Really, I must hand it to SCO. A brilliant legal strategy.

    I don't believe the open source community has previously contemplated this particular type of legal attack.

    SCO's strategy is simply this: they will win all claims, because IBM's lawyers will be unable to present a good defense, because IBM's lawyers are unable to concentrate, due to their inability to stop laughing. This will be especially unfavorable if this laughing behavior carries over into the courtroom.

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    1. Re:Why SCO will prevail in lawsuit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      SCO's strategy is simply this: they will win all claims, because IBM's lawyers will be unable to present a good defense, because IBM's lawyers are unable to concentrate, due to their inability to stop laughing. This will be especially unfavorable if this laughing behavior carries over into the courtroom.

      Don't worry. IBM's lawyers have *NO* sense of humor...

    2. Re:Why SCO will prevail in lawsuit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, do not mod the parent is being funny. He is being serious, and i must agree with him. Because SCO's claims all look so ridiculous like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum, IBM might not present a defense as strong as it could because they don't take the claims all that seriously.

      Look at all the other posts on /. concerning SCO. Its just people saying "SCO is dying and just screaming as it goes down" "SCO is such a loser!" "SCO has no claim!". No one appears to be taking them seriously. It is a brilliant legal strategy, and if IBM does not play its cards right, there is a chance for a fatal blow to be dealt to the GNU/Linux community, i sadly must say.

  23. FYI by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. P.O. Box 7745
    San Francisco, CA 94120-7745
    United States of America"

    The current SCO is NOT the same as the former SCO. (Now the Tarantella Group.)

    If you read the article, you'll see that the current SCO was formerly Caldera. Caldera bought the Unix rights from SCO, the old SCO became Tarantella (which was one of their products IIRC...), and then Caldera renamed to The SCO Group.

    That source offer was made by people with no management connection to McBride...

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    retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
    1. Re:FYI by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That source offer was made by people with no management connection to McBride...

      So? That doesn't make it any less valid of an offer, nor any less applicable to the current situation. (Not that I necessarily believe that it is particulary applicable, but for the sake of argument) If the code was once given away by the owner, any new owner can't just revoke and/or retroactively criminalize the original offer. They can only change the terms going forward.

      --
      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    2. Re:FYI by NetFu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's interesting to read their company history:

      http://www.tarantella.com/about/history.html

      I'll bet today they are VERY sorry they gave their good name to Caldera -- it looks like Caldera took over the operating systems and, I guess, the SCO name in 2001. It's usually been portrayed here and on other sites that the Santa Cruz Operation (who I know as SCO since I live in the SF Bay Area and we actually used SCO XENIX and OpenServer way back when) is the same as the SCO group and they (the current bad guys) bought UNIX from Novell in 1995.

      According to the above link, the original SCO bought UNIX from Novell in 1995, then in 2001 Caldera bought the "operating systems divisions" or UNIX from the original SCO. I assume the purchase included the purchase of the SCO name since the original SCO renamed themselves Tarantella in that same year when the purchase was made and Caldera renamed themselves SCO Group.

      So, it seems that this B.S. from the "SCO Group" has only started in the past 1-2 years, and it was probably completely initiated by those scumbags currently calling themselves SCO. They don't deserve to wear that name, IMHO...

  24. Start planning for withdrawal symptoms... by jazman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Never mind that stuff about decaffeinated coffee. What about weaning people onto deSCOffeinated Slashdot once this is all over? There'll be millions of geeks worldwide going "need..... SCO...... news......." and shaking.

  25. Re:Mmmmm by ksheff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Linux @ Work section on Forbes seems to be authored by pro-MS people. To them, linux is something only fanatics use. Unfortunately, it appears that most of what they are currently suing over was done by them before their current lawsuit happy management was in charge. It's bad when you wish Ransom Love was back in charge of Caldera/SCO/whatever they want to be called.

    --
    the good ground has been paved over by suicidal maniacs
  26. poor Tux by KingRamsis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    it is ironic that the OSS movement main goal is to avoid corporate lock down and give freedom for the end user.
    ...until Tux became the darling of IBM and that dragged us into a sleazy corprate war, i think the whole matter stinks especially when lawyers creep in.
    Maybe its time to question the benefit of corporate support to Linux.
    IIRC SCO said that whatever IBM put into the kernel magically turned Linux from a "toy bicycle" OS to an enterprise grade OS, and in another /. article the source code that found its way to the kernel was like 60 lines of code, so I'm suppose to believe that 60 lines of code is all what is needed to make an enterprise OS out of a toy OS?
    yeah sure..

    1. Re:poor Tux by starseeker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "it is ironic that the OSS movement main goal is to avoid corporate lock down and give freedom for the end user."

      That is still the goal of a large number of people. Remember, "Linux" doesn't have a goal. Only the people who use it and develop it do. And they do not (and should not be expected to) speak with one voice. It's a sign that things are normal. When very large numbers of independant people speak with one voice, it's generally a sign that things are really, really bad. (Think war. Real life war. Not software war.)

      "...until Tux became the darling of IBM and that dragged us into a sleazy corprate war, i think the whole matter stinks especially when lawyers creep in."

      Pfft. You don't understand how sleazy these creeps can be. What if they decided they wanted control of all Linux IP, and decide to argue that Linux is a derivative of System V, which they own the rights to? We have heard this as one of the (numerous) pieces of crap that have flown out of SCO, and this does not depend on IBMs involvement.

      "Maybe its time to question the benefit of corporate support to Linux."

      They can support it or not, as they please. If you want to impliment a more rigid IP scrubbing before things get to the Linux kernel that might be OK (possibly an over-reaction) but as long as a viable free alternative exists to commercial OS software some commercial toad will want to kill it to make more $$.

      "IIRC SCO said that whatever IBM put into the kernel magically turned Linux from a "toy bicycle" OS to an enterprise grade OS, and in another /. article the source code that found its way to the kernel was like 60 lines of code, so I'm suppose to believe that 60 lines of code is all what is needed to make an enterprise OS out of a toy OS?
      yeah sure.."

      We don't know the full details yet. It's impossible to say what their arguments are in detail. I daresay they won't be able to hold on to the tiger's tail and will be badly mauled, but the sooner it happens the better for everyone else.

      Of course, if everyone just picks the best clean IP from Linux, heads over to Hurd, and injects Hurd with resources, code, $$$, developers, etc. a new next generation OS might just appear out of the sands, something totally new. Or maybe Plan9 will become more than a research OS. Or OpenBeOS jumps to the front ranks. Or something unknown rises from nowhere. Open source and free software will never go away. They can't kill it. Ever. But they are unlikely to stop trying.

      --
      "I object to doing things that computers can do." -- Olin Shivers, lispers.org
  27. So, now we know the real reason for fear... by tizzyD · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It's not the legitimacy of the case, whether or not IP was stolen from SCO. It's all about lawyers, people who make their money be suing, buying, and financially bullying others. Thus, I predict there is no real IP violation here. The reality is that the case is vague enough and can be argued effectively by effectively lawyers to make it look like there is a violation. Whether or not there is one or not is immaterials, not germaine to the case.

    Does this strategy perhaps demonstrate the lack of any real basis to the case? Or is it that the case is vague enough so that there's the opportuninity for legal FUD to churn cash?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

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    ...tizzyd
  28. Canopy companies business practices by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Canopy companies sometimes share more than a common parent. They form joint ventures and buy and sell one another's stock.

    So they're buying each other's stocks, raising the prices and then selling them to outsiders at a profit.

    In this cozy company, SCO even leases its office space from Canopy--a fact disclosed in Securities and Exchange Commission filings, along with the fact that SCO's chief financial officer, Robert Bench, has a side job as a partner in a Utah consulting firm that last year billed SCO for $71,200.

    So they're renting space from the parent company, at possibly below market rates, making their own profits look bigger OR at above market rates making the parent companies profits look bigger.

    But I'm confused how the CFO, who has a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders of SCO, can also be a partner of a company (hence having a fiduciary responsibility to his partners) that consults for SCO. He has cross-loyalties. Either the contracts with the firm are too generous, benefiting his partners at the expense of the shareholders OR the contracts are too strict screwing over his partners to the benefit fo the shareholders.

    1. Re:Canopy companies business practices by Vengeance · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mmmm, sounds like a corporate scandal waiting to explode.

      How do we get the SEC ticked off at 'em?

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      It was a joke! When you give me that look it was a joke.
  29. Stop Using SCO's products by clonebarkins · · Score: 5, Funny

    I almost wish now that I had been using SCO's products all along -- Just so I could make a declaration about how "I will never use them again!"

    But alas, some malevolent twist of fate has conspired to keep me from such bliss....

    --

    "The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it." -- Ayn Rand

  30. Be careful not to get tainted by scsirob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Before you know it, you receive an envelope from SCO on your doorstep, as you now have seen their sources, and you might be working on Linux..

    Caveat emptor!

    --
    To Terminate, or not to Terminate, that's the question - SCSIROB
  31. *Crunchies* ? Uh? by radio4fan · · Score: 4, Funny

    In other words, like many religious folk, the Linux-loving crunchies in the open-source movement are a) convinced of their own righteousness, and b) sure the whole world, including judges, will agree.


    In other words, like many religious folk, the money-grubbing fsckwits in the sue-the-world movement are a) convinced of their own righteousness, and b) sure the whole world, including judges, will take their word for it.

    Doh! I've been trolled by Forbes!
  32. Forbes stupidity by Brian+Blessed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Forbes article is unbearably basic and takes the view that SCO have a good chance because Caldera won a previous case against Microsoft.
    No attempts to examine any facts are made, with the assumption being that Caldera won the DR-DOS case only because the judge agreed with them and not because Microsoft actually did anything wrong. Whilst the judge's decision does determine the outcome, if you want to analyse the situation before the end of the case then you must look at the facts yourself, i.e. they are not irrelevant!

    - Brian.

    1. Re:Forbes stupidity by MrMickS · · Score: 4, Informative

      The case against Microsoft was not won. MS settled out of court. This is what they are hoping will happen with the IBM suit.

      --
      You may think me a tired, old, cynic. I'd have to disagree about the tired bit.
    2. Re:Forbes stupidity by mj01nir · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, MS settled out of court. For what this BBC article* describes as "hundreds of millions of dollars". While Caldera's purchase of the DR properties (DR-DOS, etc) cost around $400,000. This O'Reilly article quotes the Wall Street Journal as putting the number at $275 mil. So, in the strict legal sense, MS didn't "lose". But by every definition that matters, Caldera won and won big.

      I, for one, hope that SCO loses for real on this one.

      * This article also contains the single worst picture of Bill Gates I've ever seen. Worth clicking-through just for that.

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  33. IBM is in _BIG_ trouble, now! by Dj+Offset · · Score: 3, Funny

    The evidence is clear, right from the fresh 2.4.21 kernel (under bluetooth):
    "Say Y here to compile SCO support into the kernel or say M to compile it as module (sco.o)."

    Pretty strong evidence there, huh?

  34. They do still offer Ancient Unix by Gunnar+Ritter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    See http://shop.sco.com/caldera/ancient.html to see the license on their own web server. But that's not really interesting because they've released all of this stuff except for System III under a BSD-style license (including advertising clause) in the meantime, as you can see at http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Caldera-license.pdf. Another interesting link is http://unixtools.sourceforge.net/, pointing to some System V userland code released by Caldera in 2001.

  35. Re:Enough yet, tough guy? by hkmwbz · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Sigh. It never fails. Every time a SCO story is posted, someone has to complain.

    Every single SCO story on Slashdot gets a lot of comments - far higher than average. This means that these stories are very, very popular to the readers. Why, pray tell, should Slashdot stop posting popular stories? It doesn't make sense.

    As for a new IBM vs. SCO topic - this thing is time limited. When IBM has utterly devastated SCO, there will be nothing more to report.

    Please, stop the whining about the SCO stories. They are obviously very popular, so you are a tiny minority. And as the saying goes, if you don't like what's posted on Slashdot, go somewhere else. Simple.

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  36. Learned from the Bill Clinton Speak-N-Deny... by Lindril · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your honor, I downloaded the file, but I did not decompress.

  37. Crunchies? by sparkhead · · Score: 4, Funny

    "These guys in Utah are no dummies. The crunchies in the Linux community should be paying more attention. "

    I have a hard time taking seriously a writer who uses the word "crunchies".

    1. Re:Crunchies? by Dr.+Photo · · Score: 2, Informative

      You should read some Linux articles by Lisa DiCarlo.

      The way she writes, you'd think that Linus personally stood her up on prom night... ;-)

  38. Everybody is missing the point.... by botzi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The fact that SCO has published their code has absolutely nothing to do with this case.
    Their license is pretty clear that you can't use in a projects as the Linux kernel, BUT, this doesn't matter.
    For the moment, there's no proof for ANY SCO PROPRIATARY code in the kernel, and I believe that it'd be really hard to proove this. So, looking at old stories is just shifting the attention from the main subject, and nothing more.
    The thing that strikes from this article is that those guys just don't look the type that'll start FUD-ing, if the don't believe they've some chance to win... that's scary.

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    1. No sig. 2. ???? 3. Profit!!!
  39. Fine. SCO is doomed. by molnarcs · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If they really offered the sources publicly, they are doomed. I know that not many people read the BSD case, so I'll post the relevant sections here:

    However, as shown by the briefs arguing Plaintiff's

    motion for a preliminary injunction against BSDI, the threshold
    issues here are not issues of who did what, but rather issues of
    similarity among source codes, of contract interpretation, and of
    law. How closely does Net2 or BSD/386 resemble 32V? Was 32V
    published without notice of copyright? What sorts of publications
    do Berkeley's licenses permit? Can any part of 32V possibly be
    considered a trade secret, given that much of it is industry
    standard and known to a generation of users and programmers? These
    are all issues without a particular geographical situs.

    and more specifically:

    In order to prevail, Plaintiff must prove that it has a

    valid copyright in the UNIX code. Plaintiff's chief difficulty
    here is the "Publication doctrine." The publication doctrine
    denies copyright protection to works which the copyright owner
    "publishes," unless the owner has properly affixed a notice of
    copyright to the published work. This doctrine has suffered steady
    erosion over the years, and it now applies in full force only for
    works published prior to January 1, 1978. For works such as 32V
    (published in 1978), which were published after that date but
    before March 1, 1989, the doctrine is subject to the escape
    provisions of 17 U.S.C. 405(a) and the common-law "limited
    publication rule." For works published after March 1, 1989, the
    publication doctrine has been eliminated by the Berne Convention
    Implementation Act, 102 Stat. 2857 (1988).

    What comes after this section is the definition of what can be considered to fall under the "Publication Doctrine". Essentially, the issue here is whether publication of the source code happened to 'selected groups' or it was published to a wider audience. If SCO actually published the source code on their website, there was no screening procedure - which is needed to make a convincing point. Even if they had a screening procedure, they would have to convince the judge that this screening procedure can be successfully applied to narrow down the audience selected for viewing the source code. Apparently, plaintiff was not successful at convincing the judge.

    Plaintiff cannot avail itself of any of these provisions.

    Notice was omitted from thousands of copies of 32V; no contractual
    agreements require the licensees to affix notice;
    Plaintiff failed to copyright 32V until 1992, well over five years
    after 32V was published; and Plaintiff has not yet made reasonable
    efforts to add notices to the many noticeless publications of 32V.
    Consequently, Plaintiff must try to fit within the common-law
    doctrine of limited publication.

    Note that we talked about Copyright infringement so far. What comes next is more similar to SCO's claims. You can see how SCO's doom is spelled out in this verdict:

    2. Trade Secret Misappropriation

    Plaintiff also claims that BSDI misappropriated trade
    secrets when, via Net2, BSDI incorporated parts of 32V into
    BSD/356. This claim raises two key issue. First, is Plaintiff's
    claim preempted by federal copyright law? And second, after a
    generation of scrutiny and imitation as a highly-regarded computer
    operating system, does any part of 32V remain secret? Section 301
    of Title 17 expressly preempts state laws protecting "legal or
    equitable rights that are equivalent to any of the exclusive rights
    within the general scope of copyright as specified by section 106."
    Section 301 explains the scope of this preemption by listing the
    exceptions:

    The concept of preempted claims is quite difficult to

  40. Just a *PUFF* piece by Usagi_yo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I read this last night on Forbes and my take was it is just a puff piece of journalism. You know, how they have to try and cover both sides and make it interesting.

    Today, it is not news that sells, it is controversy that sells. Here I think Forbes is just selling controversy.

    I'm already getting bored with this. I'm waiting for IBM to knock them out, but IBM looks like they are playing the rope-a-dope strategy. which seems to be somewhat effective if you take into account how SCO's story changes as they try and fine tune their lawsuite.

    I'm interested in whether there was some pre-lawsuite negotiations with IBM before this all became public and what exactly SCO was trying to get then, rather then in the lawsuite.

  41. Truth is what will set Linux Free by dnoyeb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I disagree. I have YET to hear anyone on slashdot say anythign to the affect of "thats not fair." What people are saying is "Thats not right." People are pointing out lies and misrepresentations they believe SCO is making. Nobody is simply crying foul.

    more than 1/2 the work of the lawyers will be research into the issue. The community has already produced mounds of information that lawyers can and WILL use in court. Look at what was found today about the Anchient UN*X code being shown, and the predicition of law suit.

    I think the Linux community is not a bunch of kids but intelligent working professionals that know exactly what is going down here and is offering their help in the best way they each know how.

  42. Sociopaths once again. . ! by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If there was any question remaining about "Greedy, Self-Serving, Delusional Assholes In Charge" being the number one problem in the world today. . , --If Enron's spectacular self-destruction, (closely followed by the near identical recent fiascos by 17 other massive corporate monsters,). . , if BushCo's continuing drive to destroy the universe were not enough to convince people that it's time we started hauling psychopaths out of offices and mass-burying them, then perhaps this latest will be enough to serve notice! (Especially to the tech-geek community, so much of which seems not to 'get it' when the issue isn't directly related to the manipulation of ones and zeros.)

    But you know. . . My old plan is still a good plan.

    The game is entirely rigged, and as such, those who play by the rules are chumps. Make up your own rules, make them good ones, and then follow them. That'd be "Chaotic Good" to those of you out there with little bags of dice. The only alignment worth living!

    --With the exception of small producers with no corporate ties, (and the odd Lucasarts game when Lucas' brain was still made of grey matter), I've never payed for software in my life, much less an operating system, and I'm not about to start now. SCO can go blow.

    --And you watch! If SCO wins their little scramble, it'll be amazing to see just how fast the free software community responds. Talk about a unified force! "Linux; The Revenge"

    Sign me up for an advance copy of that!

    Sociopaths are not human. Destroy them before they destroy you. Don't waste your good conscience on them, because they haven't got one.


    -FL

  43. A serious question: by NecrosisLabs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do these people (canopy, SCO, whatever) actually produce anything, or is all their revenue generated through litigation? If this were a biological analogy, I would say that this is classic example of a parasite.

  44. Lawyers by Legal+Penguin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Many have commented that this is a suit about lawyers more than about technoogy or even law. That's true in a lot of cases, but this one is especially interesting for law-geeks becaue it pits David Boies (former superstar litigation partner at a New York uberfirm) against that very New York uberfirm, Cravath Swaine & Moore.

    SCO has hired Boies, whom slashdotters will remember as lawyer who so skillfully and successfully led the Justice Department's antitrust case against Microsoft and less successfully defended Napster (as well, perhaps, as for his less successful outings in Florida representing then vice-president Gore). IBM has chosen Cravath, its longtime counsel for "bet the company" litigation. Interestingly, Boies made his career as a young lawyer at Cravath by his (successful) work defending IBM against a massive Justice Department antitrust suit in the late 1970s (and 80s, the suit went on for something like 17 years before IBM finally prevailed). There is certainly no love lost between Cravath and Boies and the fight promises to be a fascinating one for lawyers and law-watchers. In any event, SCO's choice of cousel is an extremely canny one, though Boies' typical roster of slashdot-friendly clients has now, one assumes, been somewhat besmirched.

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    "The true administration of justice is the firmest pillar of good government." - George Washington
  45. It kills any 'trade secret' nonsense by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But, even if they retain the rights, the fact they had them published publicly make the source open knowledge, no ?

    It certainly nukes any 'trade secrets' litigation that references that code, but with SCO's ever mutating rhetoric and accusations, it really amounts to just another stone in the pile which as become a mountain of evidence that SCO has no case, no legitimate claims whatsoever, and is merely grandstanding dramatically in a burnout that will amuse those watching, enrich their patrons (Microsoft and the other mystery party that I am becoming convinced may well be Sun Microsystems), and in the short term hurt, but in the long run vindicate with a vengeance, both GNU/Linux and the free software/open source paradigm.

    We know their claims are nonsense. We know their complaint (while it must be taken seriously and fought) is groundless. We know that, were the government at all willing to enforce anti-trust law, Microsoft would not be daring to underwrite this, and we know that, were the justice department at all interested in enforcing corporate law in general (against, say, the likes of Enron and WorldCom), that most of the board of directors of this letigious group would be under serious investigation for stock market manipulation and insider trading, starting now and continuing through the end of the trial, when it will with near certainty be proven that (a) they never had a case, (b) they knew this and (c) they have violated the copyright of Linux and perhaps other projects consistently, over a long period of time, and continue to do so today (they are still distributing Linux today even while claiming their alleged code isn't under GPL).

    With respect to the article itself, these people are certainly letigious thugs, and they should be taken seriously, but lets not forget the author's bias, where he frequently refers to free software developers and enthusiasts dismissively as "crunchies," so while it is interesting to know what sub-human filth comprises SCO and its umbrella group, this isn't really anything new, and the article's spin (which is an underscoring of FUD, really) contains a rather transparent and quite significant anti-free software bias.

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    The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
    1. Re:It kills any 'trade secret' nonsense by Mansing · · Score: 3, Interesting

      the other mystery party that I am becoming convinced may well be Sun Microsystems

      Not likely ... even SCO admits that Sun is the only company with a perpetual license where Sun owns all the rights to the derivative works.

    2. Re:It kills any 'trade secret' nonsense by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Informative

      OK, now I am confused...

      Understandable. SCO is deliberately sowing confusion (not showing any evidence while screaming accusations publicly most of which can be proven false without their proported evidence, changing their accusations every five minutes, deliberately obfuscating and misrepresenting diverse areas of law, including trademark, trade secret, contract, copyright, and patent law, etc. etc.).

      IANAL, but I have been following this rather closely, at first with consternation and concern, now with irritation and amusement.

      The release of Ancient UNIX undermines any trade secret violations; The SCO Group failed to register and copyrights, making accusations of copyright infringement impossible; SCO isn't accusing IBM of patent infringement, and another company owns the trademark to UNIX.

      That is essentially correct. The only thing which could hold legal water would be a contract violation. There is some speculation that SCO is persuing some of the more onerous AT&T licensing provisions, which might give AT&T/SCO some control over IBM's own code written for UNIX system V. However, even if this 'worst case scenerio' were to be true, the provisions are so onerous and absurd that they are likely to be declared unenforcable by a court of law.

      There is further evidence that the case is extraordinarilly weak, although this evidence isn't admissable in court. Namely, SCO wants a jury trial, and while a courtroom is neutral on whether or not a jury vs. judge trial is selected, attorney friends of mine assure me that when a litigant chooses a jury trial it is almost always because they are uncertain of their case and hope to baboozle lay people and get a judgement anyway.

      In contrast, folks who have a very good case generally choose to have a judge preside over the trial, as juries are much less predictable than judges.

      So it boils down to a possible contract violation, nothing more. No copyright violation (despite their public rhetoric to the contrary), probably little or no trade secret issues given that they themselves have contributed to and distibuted Linux code long after making the allegations publicly (and continue to do so to this day), no patent violation as they do not own the patents, and as you rightly point out, no trademark violation as (a) Linux does not use the UNIX trademark and (b) they don't own the trademark anyway.

      So it amounts to some arcane contract law which, in the extraordinarilly unlikely event that IBM did in fact violate their contract with AT&T/SCO in some way and lost the lawsuit, wouldn't affect the legality of Linux in any way.

      It is all FUD and nonsense, created in a desperate attempt to extort money and defraud investors, underwritten by Microsoft and a nameless second entity, and will likely be viewed as a mockery of the beleagered American legal system for some time to come.

      "But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong..."

      --
      The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
  46. Darl McBride by kyoko21 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Anyone in the Utah area should try to give Mr. McBridge a visit. His address is here. According to MapQuest, the address appears to be in some really dense suburban area. Not what I had imagined some fancy lawyer. Though, according to Yahoo! Financials, a Mr. Darl C. McBride is also the president of SCO. I wonder what is his middle name? Any Linux Users that live on Vintage Oak Lane, or close to his house?

    1. Re:Darl McBride by m_evanchik · · Score: 2

      What the hell is this kind of post supposed to serve?
      The Linux crowd would not be best served by strong-arm mafia tactics or psychopathic stalking.

      Hit the bastard where it hurts. Sue him. Remember, that even a baseless lawsuit takes time and energy and money to be dismissed.

      Find a lawyer and think of an excuse to sue him. Hire a private detective to look into his private life. Look into his business dealings. Find out where he is dirty.

      Then use the address in the link to serve him his court papers.

      Don't break the law, use it to your advantage.

      It's just too bad that nobody reading this (nor the writer neither) will follow through with this.

      Or you can always do a Larry Flynt to his Jerry Falwell and post your artistic efforts on the web.

  47. Is there a practical way to assist the defense? by dcavanaugh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    All of these facts about "Ancient Unix", predictions of SCO shenanigans, the wayback machine, etc. are obviously of some interest to IBM. Aside from commenting in Slashdot (and hoping that IBM is reading), is there a better way to share this useful research? I have nothing to offer besides a general disdain for SCO (as if there was a shortage of that), but others seem to be digging up some fine dirt.

    The OSS people have collaborative efforts on so many development projects, I think this is an opportunity to "turn the aircraft carrier into the wind" and focus the OSS "mental firepower" to sink SCO. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine myself agreeing with IBM (on anything), but here we are. Yes, I actually want a Fortune 500 company to have its way with a [former] Linux distributor. It must be snowing in Hell.

  48. Re:Mmmmm by Brian+Stretch · · Score: 2, Informative

    The sad thing is that Forbes was the first business mag to put Linus Torvalds on its cover. They really appeared to "get it". Ad revenue wasn't so hard to come by in those blissful dot-com days, though.

    Oh well.

    Speaking of conspiracies: Is the mainstream IT media in Intel's pocket?

  49. Re:Enough yet, tough guy? by iceT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Where are my moderation points when I need them.

    -1 Troll.

    Sorry, guys, but this DOES matter. Linux is the POSTERCHILD for OSS and the GPL. If LINUX DOES get dragged into this, and SCO IS sucessful, the general public will most likely view all OSS and GPL software as 'risky', and everyone will be afraid to use it because of that risk of litigation.

    Does SCO have a viable position? IANAL, so I have NO idea. But I CAN see what possible outcomes would be, and what affect they could have on our post-dot-com industry.

    I'm STILL hoping for a viable alternative to the crappy quality code MS puts out. MAC ain't gonna do it... they're too desktop focused. Linux is currently the strongest contendor. If SCO wins, this could DRAMATICALLY change the face of Linux.

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  50. The Real Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This contract dispute revolves around the ancient wording of the original AT&T contracts. All AT&T contracts contain wording about them owing the "derivative works". This caused some concern "back in the day" (I remember being concerned when I had to sign one...), however these concerns turned out groundless. The contract only covers true derivative works, i.e., works which included the original sources.

    Most modifications to UNIX (V6, V7, etc.) were distributed as pure diffs, i.e., ed-diffs and did not include any of the surrounding context the way that diffs do now. That means that the modifications included only the original work, owned and copyrighted by the authors and not AT&T.

    Now, the revisionist historians at SCO want to try to enforce a much stricter definition of what constitutes a derivative work. IBM clarified the contract with the famous "side-letter", explicitly claiming all of their modifications as their own property. SCO seeks to claim RCU as their property under the strict definition of derivative work interpretation of their contract with Sequent. IBM claims that when they bought Sequent, their contract clairification overrides the Sequent contract, so they own RCU now and can donate it.

    Who wins in this contract dispute? IBM, since the long history of the AT&T contracts and the various USENIX tapes supports the idea that people who modify UNIX own their modifications, not AT&T. SCO cannot swoop in and change history to suit themselves, or the desires of the Camopy Group.

  51. SCO participated in Kernel development by foo(foo(foo(bar))) · · Score: 4, Informative

    And on this linke http://web.archive.org/web/20000816145931/www.sco. com/linux/

    you will find this... "A corporate sponsor of Linux International, SCO has always supported open standards, UNIX Systems and server-based technologies and solutions that benefit business computing. Our engineers have continuously participated in the Open Source movement, providing source code such as lxrun, and the OpenSAR kernel monitoring utility. We offer a free Open Source software supplement that includes many Open Source technologies as well as making our commercial UNIX products available free for non-commercial use. "

  52. McBride bought 7K shares at .001/share on Friday by isn't+my+name · · Score: 5, Interesting

    McBride purchased 7003 shares at .001 dollars per share. That's right. He paid $7 for for stock worth around $70,000 at the current overvaluation.

    The more interesting thing to note is section 15. It shows that after purchasing these 7003 shares, he owned 15003 shares. That implies that he only had 8000 shares before the purchase. However, if you look at some earlier forms 4 for him, you'll notice that in March of this year, he acquired 200,000 shares of stock.

    This means that there must still be some forms 4 in the system that have not made it into EDGAR online yet. Unless, I'm reading this wrong, sometime between March and now, McBride dumped over 200K shares of stock. I'd love to see an SEC investigation of all of this.

    Here's a link for SCO related SEC filings.

  53. Not the code in the lawsuit by kikta · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check the link, though. The latest code they offer is System III. SCO's suing over System V. So the link is interesting, but not as helpful as we would like (if at all).

  54. Redmond, Wa, Vista.com, incest and brotherly love by theolein · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I try to keep an overview of the facts pertaining to this case and it seems as if the quote "professional litigious bastards" has more to it than first meets the eye. Consider the newer bits of info that become apparent in this article:

    According to the article it seems very likely that the Canopy Group is involved in some kind of scheme in which the companies it owns buy one anothers stocks in order to push up interest in that stock which is then sold to outsiders at a profit, only to be later bought back, again at a profit, when the stock tanks once again. The sudden boost in SCO stock since this case has begun is indeed very reminiscent of what is described on the Forbes page.

    Not only this, but it seems as if these groups of companies specifically look for cheap old products that they can buy and then use as ammunition in IP lawsuits. It also looks as if they specifically look for employees who have experience in litigation, such as Darl McBride, who has yet to show any knowledge of Unix or software whatsoever apart from the fact that it has lines.

    Added to all this, it seems as if this company specifically teams up with whoever is willing to be a vested interest in order to sabotage some other companies market. The mention of Redmond Wa, Vista.com as well as the knowledge that Center 7 and SCO were trying to port Active Directory to Unix says a lot to me in terms of the word Microsoft and Microsoft's common tactics of sabotaging with underhand tactics anyone who gets in it's way.

    I do start to see the MO of this suit: Go for as many points as possible, no matter how remotely removed they are from the actual suit itself, because this generates DOUBT amongst managers and shareholders, who routinely have no knowledge of computers whatsoever. No matter how long this actual suit carries on, SCO can make a profit on it's stock which it's managers are now unloading on outsiders, which they will then buy back when the stock inevitably tanks.

    SCO, in fact the entire Canopy Group's main line of business is simply making money. This may sound obvious, but think about what it means. It means they have no interest in any real product and simply want to make money in any way they can. They might very well have released the "ancient Unix" code years ago for the sole purpose of trolling for some suckers to misuse their code. To me, usually when some American company starts sprouting BS in the form of "so that users can share experiences and code with developers, mafiosi etc" I know it's a lie.

    I think that IBM is very right to take this case to court as was CA to continue their case. I think IBM is going to wait until enough evidence has been released in order for them to counter sue SCO and it's parent into the ground. The details of this case will be very interesting in that I expect SCO's indirect dealings with Microsoft to come to the for eventually.

    The only thing that really worries me personally, as a MacOSX user, is that Apple has based it's browser on Trolltech's Qt toolkit. If Trolltech is indeed owned by Canopy (stupid fucks, how could they let that happen), then it could very well be yet another bait. KDE might have some huge potential problems comming up as well.

  55. Is it just me? by NeuroManson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or does SCO seem to be more and more like the black knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail?

    IBM: You fought well sir knight, but the battle is mine.

    SCO: Tis but a scratch!

    IBM: A scratch?! I just took your arm off!

    SCO: It's just a flesh wound!

    ETC ETC ETC.

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  56. Ancient Unix weakens their case substancially by Basje · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The SCO-IBM case is centered around two assumptions:
    1. Unix Source went into Linux
    2. This was because of a violation of an agreement SCO had with IBM

    Now that it seems that the Unix sourcecode was in the open, how will they ever prove that IBM put it in Linux, breaching the agreement? Anybody could have done that, if the source code was copied from Unix to Linux at all.

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  57. SCO Again!!! by Unleashd · · Score: 2, Funny

    Blah Blah Blah SCO Blah Blah Blah SCO Blah Blah Blah SCO Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah !!!!!! So ends the SCO rant!

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  58. Re:Enough yet, tough guy? by mcgroarty · · Score: 3, Informative
    We need an icon for this.

    So you're like -- interested in all the countless other stories using the Caldera icon, but not the SCO vs IBM stories?

    Turn off the Caldera stories in your user preferences, then hush and enjoy your peace while the rest of us keep an eye on the most important thing to happen to free software this century.

    I'll bet you use Mandrake.

  59. What Forbes misses by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Forbes writer missed one thing: it isn't the Linux companies SCO and Canopy are suing, and against the company they are suing they're relatively small fish. IBM is the defendant named in their lawsuit. Remember the IBM-DOJ antitrust suit? The one that IBM fought to a standstill for 20 years? The one that IBM effectively won?

    The Linux people may or may not be right, but IBM's saying SCO is blowing smoke and IBM has the legal department and the paper trail and audit trail procedures in place to be certain they know what they're talking about. And this suit is a direct threat to their core business, they aren't going to take it laying down nor pull any punches in dealing with it.

    1. Re:What Forbes misses by bstadil · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The one that IBM effectively won?

      A Pyrrhic victory if indeed they won. (It was a settlement)

      IBM was so scared of antitrust that they lost all aggressiveness in the market place.

      They could have ruled the Mini by buying DG or even Dec and leverages their Mainframe SW portfolio. Similary with SQL that they invented. They were too timid, and Oracle got to be big.

      On an aside. Microsoft was much better behaved when the DOJ was breating down their neck. I was hoping this case would have gone on forever as this seems to be a much better remedy.

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  60. And Then... by oldstrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .
    If you read the article, you'll see that the current SCO was formerly Caldera. Caldera bought the Unix rights from SCO, the old SCO became Tarantella (which was one of their products IIRC...), and then Caldera renamed to The SCO Group.

    Which pill makes me small?

    Seriously though, this is going to be part of what hurts NewSCO if this ever get's to the courts.
    They are going to have a darned hard time showing what they really own, what they stole, and what was borrowed... long before they ever became NewSCO.

    The wiggle room that they have built into thier complaint is they are not really using copyright, or patent as the basis for the suit, they are using contract law.

    And they are alleging the transfer and or use of 'Unix Methods and proceedures'. This is a fuzzy area that may not even be answerable.
    Part trade secret, part dogma. If you didn't know about how to do something, or that something could be done, you might never have developed it yourself, even without using the original Unix code, or seeing the affect.

    Might be true, might not, but the contract kinda binds you up and makes you liable, even if you didn't peek under the covers.

    These are the kind of arguments that RMS had for creating GNU in the first place.
    Owning code is one thing, controlling ideas is another, and what SCO is attempting is not protection of code, but restriction of ideas.

    The temptation is to throw out the phrase UnAmerican right about here, but that's not right. Corperations are not American, or Canadian, or Egyptian... they are just big money making machines that have more rights, fewer morals, than individuals and total disregard for anything but more profit/power.

  61. I don't think it'll be today by twilight30 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Look, we (most of the posters here) might be on one side, and SCO on another, but they didn't sue Red Hat. They didn't sue SuSE. They sued IBM:
    • ... because they worked with IBM on Monterey
    • ... because IBM has deep pockets

    As has been stated ad nauseam, IBM has also a big legal team, backed by the biggest share of patents in the US.

    SCO management appears to have bitten off a bit more than they can reasonably chew. At this point, if they had a bit more sense, they would have either approached IBM calmly with ideas towards making Linux better in their own long-term interests (unlikely, but anything's possible), or attempted to reach some form of settlement.

    Saying as they have done that IBM rebuffed them, and even threatened to eat their business, is to my mind just a lot of huff.

    I think the Forbes writer may have had a point on first glance, but further examination pretty negates it totally. My 2 cents, anyway.

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  62. What crunchie really means. by Skreech · · Score: 3, Informative

    In the army, infantry are refered to as "crunchies" because of the sound they make while marching in formation. Crunch, crunch, crunch. So they're the crunchies.

    In context, she was referring to the army of Linux developers, and specifically, the ones doing the dirty work.

  63. I'm not so sure of that. by MickLinux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can imagine that IBM might care about the GPL. After all, it gives them:

    (1) a free, very dedicated, and huge developer base for code that runs on their systems

    (2) A ton of good will from said coder-base, thus sales into the future are much more likely

    (3) It helps keep down that upstart competitor from the NorthWest.

    At this point, there are just too many computer-savvy people to make "Only IBM" a reality. The code will be developed, one way or another. So IBM's best bet is "IBM at the head of the stack of everyone." Since IBM has invested in Linux, IBM does have reason to push development under Linux.

    These reasons lead me to believe that yes, IBM does care about the GPL. Not for the sake of the GPL, but for the sake of their own business. So I'd say that their motivation is dual, and if given a choice between "let SCO destroy Linux, and we squash SCO" and "squash SCO before SCO destroys Linux", they'll likely choose the latter, even defending Linux in court.

    When it's the masse rabble against the castle, it's usually a ton better to be the guy directing the rabble, than to be the guy in the castle. Especially if the guy directing the rabble also has access to a ton of munitions. I think IBM has already chosen their spot, and that's where they'll be. This one doesn't look to me like what America pulled on Iraqi Sikhs ("yeah, rise up, and we'll support you, probably").

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  64. Jerry Jones (Cowboy owner) by C_Kode · · Score: 3, Informative

    IBM should follow Jerry Jones's (owner of the Dallas Cowboys) lead.


    NFL Properties, the league's business and marketing arm, filed a $300 million lawsuit in September 1995 that challenged licensing and sponsorship agreements involving Jones and Texas Stadium that included private contracts with Nike, AT&T, Dr Pepper, American Express and Pepsi. The suit contended those arrangements violated NFL Properties' centralized licensing and marketing role.

    In response, the Cowboys filed a $700 million lawsuit in November 1995, charging that NFL Properties' centralized role violated antitrust laws. The suit also claims the Texas Stadium sponsorships don't involve Cowboys trademarks and are consistent with NFL Properties' rules.


    The NFL backed off because they were going to get stomped. (They don't own Texas Stadium; The Cowboys lease it from Jerry Jones even though Jerry Jones own both the Cowboys and Texas Stadium)

  65. Another cool comment in the Linux Today thread by theophilosophilus · · Score: 5, Funny

    The comment

    Richard N. Turner - Subject: I'm Reminded of An Old Post... ( Feb 23, 2000, 15:39:02 )

    ...that someone made on an online discussion, oh, about a year ago. It cracked me up so I saved it:

    ``SCO should do the industry a favor and disband, pausing only to bulk-format all their drives so that none of the evil source code can inadvertently escape into the world. Their marketing people and their tech support people should be sent to camps to be retrained for professions more suited to their skills and their buildings should be torn down and burned.''


    I think thats a bit prophetic.

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    1. Re:Another cool comment in the Linux Today thread by sharkey · · Score: 2, Funny
      Their marketing people and their tech support people should be sent to camps to be retrained for professions more suited to their skills

      How much training DOES it take to make a Big Mac?

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  66. No, it wouldn't be wise by roystgnr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not looking at their source code would simply perpetuate the idea that there is something magical about software copyright that isn't the same as literature copyright, music copyright, etc. If you're a writer, do you avoid reading any material written by someone else? If you're a musician, are you afraid to listen to anyone else's copyrighted song? Of course not. As a programmer you shouldn't have to be afraid of these things either.

    Ironically, this idea is exactly what SCO would like to encourage: they don't just want to be able to sue anyone who copies what they've written, they want to sue anyone who writes an original implementation of the same solution, or even someone who writes a different solution to the same problem!

  67. Is the Canopy/Soviet Commie Operation == Rambus? by ihatesco · · Score: 2

    This entire story reminds me of the whole Rambus affair, where Rambus sued the ass off many IT firms (even Sega) on memory related patents. Then Rambus stopped appearing on major headlines after being found of "Judge shopping". And after they pissed off everyone and disappeared, nobody today is buying their inferior products anyway. Anyway, I don't understand why they haven't taken the appropriate steps to approach this situation, that is: - contact the kernel mantainers - demonstrate that the X, Y, Z, parts of the linux kernel are in violation of SCO's IP - ask the kernel mantainers to remove the infringing parts The only thing the Soviet Communist Organization is doing is smearing swine crap all over their corporate image. I wonder WHO in the IT market will ever want after this insane show of cluelessness to have something to do with them, if they already were known for shipping inferior products (and Sco Unix was considered a D.O.A product ever before Gnu/Linux hitted the 2.0 series...)... Anyway, I am really tempted about starting a long term "send postcards to the SCOmmierats" campaign.

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  68. Predicted since 2000? by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hasn't RMS being predicting this since dinosaurs ruled the Earth? Remember how we all thought "Gee, Richard, aren't you being just a little paranoid?"

    He might be a slightly crazed filthy socialist hippy, but by golly, he nailed this one.

    Next up: all those RedHat "defensive" linux patents, and their sort-of-promise to temporarily refrain from suing over them. Better hope that they never get bought out by someone a little less altruistic, eh?

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    1. Re:Predicted since 2000? by Angst+Badger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He might be a slightly crazed filthy socialist hippy, but by golly, he nailed this one.

      Damn straight.

      When I was a slightly crazed filthy socialist hippy teenager -- lo these many years ago -- one of my friends told me something that I have ignored at my peril in the decades since. She said, "Never trust anyone with sex, money, or drugs. No one. Ever."

      Like RMS, perhaps she was being just a little paranoid. But only a little. ESR, on the other hand, with his blind libertarian ideological brain lock and his belief that we could traipse hand in hand with big capital through the meadows, is the one who needs to get into closer touch with reality.

      All businessmen are about making money. Anyone who isn't finds another line of work. Some of them operate within ethical frameworks with varying degrees of rigidity. But always bear this in mind: the market is designed to be a very darwininan place. If being unethical, or even illegal (but not prosecuted), provides a business advantage, unethical and occasionally outright criminal businessmen will outcompete the ethical ones.

      Evolution does not favor the good, the fair, or the just. The reason we have a complex legal system is precisely because the good, the fair, and the just are not fit to survive on their own and require, in the form of that legal system and the larger society, a high degree of coordination and cooperation to fend off the attacks of the unfair and unjust.

      RMS sees this pretty clearly. I'm not sure his strategy -- which is essentially to win by ending the game -- can actually work when so many powerful bastards have vested interests in the game, but his basic vision is sound. ESR seems to believe that the "best" will win, but doesn't seem to realize the being the best competitor may involve exhibiting traits most of us would consider reprehensible.

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  69. Re: LDS faith has nothing to do with it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Consider another statement of Brigham Young when trying to determine whether LDS (Mormon) religious belief lends any support to SCO's actions:
    "What comes of litigation? Poverty and degradation to any community that will encourage it. Will it build cities, open farms, build railroads, erect telegraph lines and improve a country? It will not; but it will bring any community to ruin." -Brigham Young, JD 11:259.
    I myself am LDS, and I live very close to SCO's headquarters in Lindon. I have yet to meet a tech-savvy person in this area who is not ashamed of SCO's actions. Most wish SCO would just go away.

    Let's look at this from another perspective. The proposed link between the LDS church and SCO is based on a weak speculation that the church sees Linux as a threat to the constitution? That's a sorry guess, especially when allowing a broader analysis of Mormon history than a single quote from 1863 whose context is questionable at best.

  70. will scox be bankrupt before lawsuit is settled? by walterbyrd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    scox has $10 million in cashes and loses at least $25 million a year. These IP cases usually take at least three years, but it looks to me as if this one will take much longer.

    It looks to me like there is only one way that scox to survive until the lawsuit is settled, and that is if scox gets more fud money from sunw and/or msft.

    opinions?

    btw: scox insiders are still selling.

  71. My two cents: SCO days are numbered? by Viduliya · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, once this infringing few lines (comments?) from the Linux source code is found, removed and the "F-OFF SCO!" kernel patch is released? How long can SCO live?

    I hope they take a long walk off a short branch hanging over a cliff and disappear in to nothing. I for one expect my self continue to use, modify what I see fit, contribute what I could, and distribute everything freely long after SCO is gone and forgotten. I am sure I am not alone.

  72. Re:Redmond, Wa, Vista.com, incest and brotherly lo by Thrakkerzog · · Score: 3, Informative

    Canopy owns 5.8% of trolltech.

    Not ownership.

    Safari has an emulation layer to make signals and slots work with khtml. I wouldn't say it is based on Trolltech's Qt.

    And even if Canopy goes nuts, there is the Trolltech/KDE agreement. Nobody can do anything about that.

  73. Comprehensive synopsis of SCOs entire argument by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Funny

    All your code base are belong to us.

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  74. Re:McBride bought 7K shares at .001/share on Frida by minkwe · · Score: 2, Informative

    Officially the company is still Caldera. The name has not yet changed officially. Caldera was never bought out. Caldera bought SCO's unix business. SCO is now called Tarantella, and Caldera has decided to change its name to The SCO Group.

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  75. Nope, same stock by isn't+my+name · · Score: 3, Informative

    In the March trade, notice section 2. The issuer is listed as Caldera, but notice the trading symbol is SCOX. That's the same trading symbol as the Friday filing in section 2, even though the Friday one lists the issuer as The SCO Group.

    So, I'm comparing oranges and oranges. (Or maybe rotten apples to rotten apples.) Also, if you look at a 5 day intraday trading chart for SCOX, you'll notice that there were some really large volume trades on Friday and Monday. Some approaching 100K in a single transaction. This for a stock that normally averages around 200K/day total. I believe that last Friday's total was 2.4M changing hands. A lot of people unloaded a lot of SCOX stock on Friday and Monday.

  76. Mod up! by moogla · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Look, the comments made that the Ancient Unix release may have been a trap are cute, but lets face it, what they actually released in 2000 IS COMPLETE AND UTTER REFUSE THAT'S NOT WORTH ANYTHING.

    Go ahead and take a look: about 5M compressed worth of binaries and source for the only 32-bit release (32V), which only works on the VAX.

    Linux probably reached that level of sophistication and functionality some time in 1998. So I think that anyone looking at the source wouldn't have found anything of merit to bring over that they couldn't already figure out from reading man pages.

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  77. Caldera still has a pending SEC fraud case by minkwe · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://bankrupt.com/CAR_Public/020924.mbx

    CALDERA INTERNATIONAL: Faces Securities Fraud Lawsuits in S.D. New York

    Four class action lawsuits were filed against the Company, certain of
    its officers and directors, and the underwriters of the Company's
    initial public offering in the Unites States District Court for the
    Southern District of New York by parties alleging violations of the
    securities laws.

    The complaints allege certain improprieties regarding the circumstances
    surrounding the underwriters' conduct during the IPO and the failure to
    disclose such conduct in the registration statement. The complaints
    have recently been amended and consolidated into a single complaint.
    Over 300 other issuers, and their underwriters and officers and
    directors, have been sued in similar cases pending in the same court.

    The Company is not aware of any improper conduct by the Company, its
    officers and directors, or its underwriters, and the Company denies any
    liability relating thereto. The Company has notified its underwriters
    and insurance carriers of the existence of the claims and plans to
    vigorously defend the action.

    Caldera International, which plans to change its name to The SCO Group,
    develops operating systems and network management software for PCs and
    servers. In addition to its OpenLinux and OpenServer operating
    systems, Caldera also sells its OpenUnix business software and
    Volution, a Web and directory-based network management application.
    Services such as consulting, custom development, technical support, and
    training account for about 15% of sales, a Hoover.com dossier says.

    Chairman Ralph Yarro and director Raymond Noorda share control of 47%
    of the company through The Canopy Group (a venture capital firm) and
    MTI Technology.

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  78. Protest Press Release by emacnabber · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is the official press release from the Provo Linux Users Group:

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    To whom it may concern:

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    Jason Hall
    jason@plug.org
    http://www.plug.org/

    UTAH LINUX USERS DEMONSTRATE OPPOSITION TO SCO LAWSUIT

    Provo, Utah (June 19, 2003) -- To voice their opposition to SCO's
    lawsuit against IBM and their malignment of the Linux programmers
    community, members of the Provo Linux Users Group (PLUG) and other
    Utah-based Linux Users Groups will protest in front of SCO's Lindon,
    UT office on Friday, June 20, 2003 from 3 to 5 pm.

    SCO's lawsuit claims that IBM copied parts of SCO's UNIX computer
    operating system into Linux, a freely-distributed operating system
    written by an international community of computer programmers.
    They have therefore revoked IBM's license to distribute AIX (IBM's
    version of UNIX) and are seeking $3 billion in damages for theft of
    intellectual property. Furthermore, they have sent letters to 1500
    corporations warning them that Linux contains computer code belonging to
    SCO and continued use of Linux may result in SCO taking legal action
    against them.

    With this suit, SCO has raised the ire of computing professionals
    worldwide by overstating its contributions to UNIX operating systems
    (which include Linux and AIX), claiming ownership of Linux and denying
    past involvement in its development, and making inaccurate and derisive
    comments about the Linux development community. Under the auspices of
    the Provo Linux Users Group, Linux users and programmers from northern
    Utah will meet on Friday in front of SCO's headquarters in Lindon, UT
    to demonstrate the opposition to SCO's actions and to show their support
    of IBM, the Linux development community, and any other companies against
    which SCO takes legal action.

    About the Provo Linux Users Group:
    The Provo Linux Users Group (PLUG) is a non-profit, volunteer-run
    organization dedicated to helping members to learn the Linux operating
    system, offering volunteer technical support, and encouraging the use of
    Open Source software. Membership is free, meetings are held
    monthly, and the group mantains an active email list. For more
    information about PLUG, go to

    http://www.plug.org/

    About other Utah-based Linux users groups:
    PLUG is only one of a half-dozen Linux users groups in Utah, and one of
    thousands of such groups worldwide. More information about Utah-based
    Linux users groups can be found at

    http://www.ssc.com:8080/glue/groups/us/utah

  79. How to report securities law violations by hobsonchoice · · Score: 2, Informative

    Without commenting specifically on SCOX, McBride, etc., as I take no position on this.

    If anybody has information about any securities law violations, by any person or company, and wishes to report them to the government (SEC). Go to www.sec.gov (click Enforcement Division) - and there is a form to report online.

  80. Why Linus uses 8 space indents by xneilj · · Score: 4, Informative

    Taken from '/usr/src/linux/Documentation/CodingStyle':

    "Chapter 1: Indentation

    Tabs are 8 characters, and thus indentations are also 8 characters. There are heretic movements that try to make indentations 4 (or even 2!) characters deep, and that is akin to trying to define the value of PI to be 3.

    Rationale: The whole idea behind indentation is to clearly define where a block of control starts and ends. Especially when you've been looking at your screen for 20 straight hours, you'll find it a lot easier to see how the indentation works if you have large indentations.

    Now, some people will claim that having 8-character indentations makes the code move too far to the right, and makes it hard to read on a 80-character terminal screen. The answer to that is that if you need more than 3 levels of indentation, you're screwed anyway, and should fix your program.

    In short, 8-char indents make things easier to read, and have the added benefit of warning you when you're nesting your functions too deep. Heed that warning."

    Not that I personally agree, but that's what the Linux coding Standards says...

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    1. Re:Why Linus uses 8 space indents by tchuladdiass · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I remember reading about a study where groups of college students were asked to debug the same program, but each group was given a different indentation level. There was a dramatic decrease in time to debug when the level was increased, up to 4 spaces, but after that it hit diminishing returns. So, 4 is often considered optimum.

  81. IBM owns the code but SCO wants to control it by eric76 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So SCO says IBM can't distribute code that IBM owns because it was first used on derivative workds of System V.

    As someone pointed out yesterday, the letter of understanding that is Exhibit C in SCO's complaint explicitly agrees that IBM owns their derivative works. They may just not be allowed to distribute them.

    Assume for the moment that the modifications themselves are derivative works. (I don't think this is likely from the definition of derivative work from Title 17 of the U.S. Code.)

    But even if is a derivative work, IBM still owns that code. The code is not stolen or misappropriated, merely released in a manner that might possibly be a contract violation. While SCO might possibly be able to demand that everyone stop using it or maybe remove it from future versions, it doesn't necessarily follow that everyone would owe SCO any damages or licensing payments at all.

    Noone is in possession of stolen property or SCO's intellectual property.

    The whole matter then becomes nothing more than a contract dispute over whether or not IBM has the right to distribute code they own.

    I think that the whole matter then boils down to whether or not the modifications themselves are considered a derivative work.

    If the judge and jury agrees with SCO that the modifications are a derivative work of System V when there is no System V code in it, then IBM might owe something in the way of damages. It might be possible that they could just be ordered to retrieve the code (unrelease it) and owe no damages at all.

    But it's hard to see how anyone who does not have a contract with SCO would owe them anything at all on this matter.

  82. The Hiring of Darl McBride by AndroidCat · · Score: 3, Funny
    There are strange things done under the midnight sun
    By the men who moil for gold;
    Whoops, never mind...

    I would love to have been a fly on the wall when the Caldera Board of Directors hired Darl McBride. I wonder if it went something like this:

    Chairman: Your record certain is very impressive Mr. McBride. In closing, do you feel that there is anything else about yourself that we should know to help us with our choice?
    McBride: Well, I did, uh, that is .. I sued my former employer for many millions while I was working for them and won.
    BoD: [Many looks around the table and private whispers]
    Chairman: Mr. McBride .. You're hired! You're our kind of guy!

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  83. Yere there is a way to contribute! by PolR · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Aside from commenting in Slashdot (and hoping that IBM is reading), is there a better way to share this useful research?
    IANAL but here are my two cents.

    Someone could set-up a "site of SCO factoids" where all intesting links are collected in one place for reference to the volunteers researchers. As more factoids are discovered, they are added to the site. With a little chance, this will lead to a more effective research.

    Having all the evidence at one place would also help counter SCO's FUD, especially if the page becomes known to industry analysts and press. If the site shows for instance how SCO's claim change overtime, their FUD campaign will become much more apparent to CIOs and CEOs that are considuring using Linux. Some essay explaining basic concepts such as trade-secrets, copyrights, patents and derivative work would help debunking many misconceptions.

    If geeks makes a habit of immediatelyposting new SCO claims on the factoid site and immediately explaining what the claims are, then it will become harder for SCO to increase the FUD pressure by confusing issues.

    All OSS homepages should link to the SCO factoid site home page. This will increase the likelihood this site turns up as a result on a Google search for SCO.

    IBM has acces to both Linux an System V code. They can compare to find all potentially litigious code and then call upon geeks to determine to origin of "code of interest". If they want stay on a legally safe ground, they may even include with such requests some code that doen't match System V. This could help avoid giving ground to claims they indirectly disclose SCO's alleged trade-secret.

    If IBM dare identify publicly the Linux code that matches System V code, the list could be posted on the site of SCO's factoids. The result of research on the code origin could be posted as well. The general public would then be able to watch SCO's claims deflate day after day. If some code is found to be of dubious origin, the the public will be able to see how fast the Linux community can correct the issue. Tracking dates when information is posted on the page will be extremely useful.

    Linux could also be compared with the ancient Unixes for matching code. This portion of Linux will then be cleared from any trade-secret claims. Again the result of this search could be posted on the SCO factoids page.

  84. When I was a boy by Bronz · · Score: 2

    I remember dialing uphill, in the snow, to my local BBS. I also remember when people thought Caldera was a good group of lawyers because they were suing Microsoft over DR-DOS. Funny how perspectives can change.

  85. What will HP do? by mikolas · · Score: 2

    I wonder why these two projects haven't shown up yet:

    Single System Image Clusters for Linux and Cluster Infrastrucure for Linux. The following sentence just caught my eye on CI for Linux overview: "This project is developing a common infrastructure for Linux clustering by extending the Cluster Membership and Internode Communication Subsystems from HP's NonStop Clusters for Unixware code base." A similar sentence can be found of SSI Cluster page. It's about time for HP and IBM to team up and do what's necessary in order to shut up SCO.

  86. Re: LDS faith has nothing to do with it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mod Parent up as insightful.
    A SCO/Mormon conspiracy is ridiculous.
    Why? Because the common thing that all these entities in the article have is that they are located in Utah. If you ever lived in Utah, it should come as no surprise that a BYU graduate would work at a company 15 minutes down the road (both SCO and Novell).
    Another good reason? The LDS (aka 'Mormon') church IT department just started an Open Source Mailing list, in hopes to migrate its existing software to Open Source alternates. I'm a member of it.
    Another good reason? The BYU (largest LDS university) Unix Users Group *strongly* advocates Open Source Unices and is one of the biggest clubs on campus.
    People love to conjure up conspiracies about the Mormons. I guess I can understand, as an avid Linux user I love to entertain conspiracies about Microsoft.
    But get real: there's no connection.

  87. Canopy group == Umbrella Corporation by silentbozo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anyone else hear "Canopy group" and instantly think about the evil Umbrella Corporation from the Resident Evil games? I mean, jeez, if you're going to run an evil empire, shouldn't you try picking a name that's just a little less conspicuous?

  88. Enter Stage Right, Federal Marshals by cmacb · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Looks like Forbes doesn't vet their articles for facts any better than Slashdot does. It still had some usefull info however:

    The article describes a company that operates a lot like Enron, although on a much smaller scale, shuffling funds from one company to another as needed to prop up their FTC reports.

    But then the article concludes that this is a company to be recconed with!!

    Sounds more like a house of cards too me. Now we know that the lunacy going on at SCO is inherited from "The Canopy Group". I bet we get to see them on TV in handcuffs before too long.

    The most usefull thing about the article though is that it gives the names of about 5 more people, and several more companies that you should never do business with if you want to walk away with your wallet. I'll add them to my list.

    I also signed up for alerts for when these crooks, errr "businessmen" engage in other noteworthy activities.

    "You have successfully signed up for the following News Alerts: Canopy Group, Linux, Darl McBride, Ralph J. Yarro III! "

  89. U.S. Business Relations by TeachingMachines · · Score: 2, Insightful


    I'd be curious to know what impacts the behavior of people like McBride and others has on U.S. international business relations, existing or potential.
    From the looks of it, SCO is not and has not been an exceptional company in terms of ingenuity or revenue. Their talent seems to be in their legal skills rather than technical prowess. It also looks as if they dangled a carrot in front of the nose of some programmers with the intention of creating the current situation (and I'm not saying that there is one). I'm not a business/financial person, but if I was in Europe or the UK, or anywhere in the world for that matter, I would be hesitant to engage in business transactions with people who are so obviously out of control. "Let's sue Linus!" "Make it another billion! No, wait, make it another TWO billion! Yeah!" These numbers are obviously not tied to any real assets. The transparency of the aggression by the owners of SCO, as well as recent transgressions by other CEOs in other companies, would not seem to bode well for U.S. international business relations. I sure as hell wouldn't want to interact with someone who might turn around and take my company away. I feel like my country is rotting.

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  90. Re:What's a 'crunchie' ?? by spun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My theories:

    1.)This is a slight against developer's hygiene. They were implying that we wash our clothes so infrequently that they get crunchy, and that we bathe so infrequently that crunchy things begin to live in our hair.

    2.)They were trying to tie us in with hippies. Hippies are notorious for their love of granola and grape nuts, which are crunchy. Hippies are also often commies, and open source is a commie idea.

    3.)They were (as a previos poster mentioned) using military slang for infantry, implying that OSS advocates are the foot soldiers of the movement.

    4.)Some reference to number or code crunching? But this is a stretch, I think.

    5.)They are implying that we are all druggies: I have heard people coming down from some drugs say that they feel "crunchy," which is the result of being "fried" for too long.

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  91. Can SCO be registered as a vexatious litigant? by CrossHare · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not sure about the US, but here in Australia you can ask a court to rule an entity (person or organisation) as a vexatious litigant. This basically means the entity has to petition the court before they commence any legal proceeding and show that they're not just being annoying bastards...