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Microsoft Lays Off 34 Japanese Xbox Employees

Thanks to GameSpot for their article discussing the layoff of 34 Microsoft employees from its Japanese Xbox division. This accounts for just 17 percent of their Xbox workforce in Japan, but apparently the March 20th layoffs, documented in Nikkei BizTech, "..caused a commotion among the workers because of differences in business practices between Japan and the United States." The harsh 'escorted from premises' style of layoffs is not so common in Japan, according to the article, and so "..according to one of the employees who was cut, it felt as though they were treated like criminals." Needless to say, the layoffs, according to division head Par Singh, were because "sales of the Xbox in Japan had been extremely disappointing."

91 comments

  1. I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    why is Xbox so unpopular in Japan? Is it cultural superiority?

    1. Re:I don't get it by d3kk · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think the question is "Why is the XBox so popular in the states?"

    2. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      most powerful (which the xbox is) does not equal 'best'

      It doesn't feel like a toy though which I think adds a lot to its allure. The PS2 really does feel as fragile as they're turning out to be (it seems like 1 in 4 people have had a problem with a PS2). And the Gamecube is the most toyish of all the systems.

    3. Re:I don't get it by M3wThr33 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Games don't appeal to them
      Controller is huge, even the S
      The marketing is INSULTING
      It isn't Japanese
      They had a recall when it first came out
      It doesn't have Final Fantasy or Dragon Warrior

      Want me to go on?

    4. Re:I don't get it by ronfar · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It's too big. In the U. S., this doesn't matter so much. Some people might even think that the big, black XBOX is kind of cool. In Japan, it is taking up too much room in country where wealth used to be measured by the amount of space you had in your living quarters (and may still be).

      Besides that, it is going to be hard for anything to make a dent in the Playstation 2's popularity in Japan. Sony is just considered a cool, superior brand over there. Yes, I suppose cultural superiority is a factor, but I don't think that is all of it. I've noticed that when I ask the Asian people I know "Which is cooler, Sony or X?" they invariably say Sony.

      I also think that (and I'm no expert, not owning one) the Xbox's lineup has something to do with it. The big system selling game is Halo, a First Person Shooter. First Person Shooters have never been popular in Japan. Ever notice how few Japanese origin FPSs there are for the various Japanese consoles? Even Metroid Prime was made by an American second party using the Nintendo Metroid license. (This is why the N64 also had a tough time over there.) I once remember noting that the Japanese seem to like fighting games the way Americans like FPSs, if I can go by the huge number of fighting games coming out of Japan and the huge number of FPSs coming out of the U. S. (I could be way off on that but I don't think I am.)

      Basically, I think that there are cultural reasons why the XBox hasn't caught on in Japan that don't have anything to do with it's relative merits as a console or just cultural superiority.

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    5. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because XBox is dying, just like BSD. Have you noticed how few are actually posting on this thread?

    6. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not cultural superiority. How about technological and content-wise inferiority?

    7. Re:I don't get it by amuro98 · · Score: 1

      XBox is the most technologically advanced console on the market.

      Just goes to show you that power isn't everything in the console market.

    8. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read something like "the Xbox is the best selling high tech American product in Japanese history" and I believe it. They don't buy our cars, they don't buy our *rice*, and they aren't going to buy our video games.

      The parent was modded as funny but I don't find it funny at all. They (the Japanese) view our products like we view Mexican or Polish ones. Our Car industry is going down in flames while the Japanese exploit non-union labor in states like Tennessee and Alabama that pay fortunes in incentives to get new factories. All so they can afford to offer lifetime employment to their white collar workers back home and look down their noses at our barbaric methods of laying off workers.

      Why do we do put up with this? So we can count on them to refuel our jet planes while we defend South Korea from North Korea or some equally obsolete cold war imperitive.

    9. Re:I don't get it by maddskillz · · Score: 1

      Probably because it has more power, and a better controller, with real analog buttons

    10. Re:I don't get it by jrc313 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That means nothing as far as games consoles go. It's all about the games and if you haven't got any decent games on your platform your machine won't sell.

  2. Welcome to the world of corporate America by shaka999 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not sure how layoffs should be done but I know the way most American companies do it today isn't the solution. It does treat the ex-employees as if they were criminals. In my experience the ex-employees are escorted, in front of coworkers, to a small office. Given the news and any severence then given a swift kick out the door. I've even been in companies where they didn't let the employee pack their cube. Rather someone boxed it for them and shipped it...

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    1. Re:Welcome to the world of corporate America by LordNimon · · Score: 1

      That's because in America, there is a real problem with recently-dismissed employees taking revenge on their former companies. If they're not immediately escorted out of the building, there's a chance they might "do something" right before they leave.

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  3. Not spite: safety by GuyMannDude · · Score: 4, Informative

    The reason employers do this "kick them out quick" approach is not out of spite but, rather, to protect themselves from employees who might try to exact some revenge on their way out. A just-fired employee might try to sabotage the computer system (particulary if file permissions are not set correctly). There's a whole bunch of things that a disgruntled employee can do to hurt his former employer. Giving them access to any work equipment or materials just after they got laid off or fired is very unwise.

    GMD

  4. What a bunch... by darkov · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The employees were then told to check their e-mail inboxes

    What a shitty and gutless way to fire someone. I think firing someone any other way than face to face whould be illegal.

    1. Re:What a bunch... by wolf- · · Score: 4, Informative

      And layoffs should not be a drop dead event.
      A WISE CFO knows that layoffs are coming.
      A WISE CEO has detailed layoff/senority policies in place.
      A WISE employee knows where he is in the pecking order of things.

      When we have had to scale back our shop, the poor guy at the bottom knew it was coming. We all did. But it wasn't a "walk in on friday, here is your check dont come back on monday" deal. It was a "we are going to have to let you go, we can keep you here for 2 weeks let us know what days you need off to do interviews..."

      Current companies, under the guise of protection, whether protecting company assets, or executive asses, hide the bad news, no one really knows how things are going, or work in the organization.

      All it does is create a hostile group that will not want to come back to work if things pick up, wont buy your product, will tell their friends not to buy your product.

      To this day I will not buy Arrow shirts. Why? My wife's cousin walked in one day after 15 some years, thank you, don't bother coming back, we are shipping your job overseas. Zero warning. No transition process, nada.

      Its an ethics issue. But then, we arent allowed to discuss right and wrong anymore, just what is legal or illegal. Wait, no, we can't do that any more.

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    2. Re:What a bunch... by charstar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This was -exactly- the way the company I used to work for did their layoffs. The first round of layoffs wasn't too bad. The CEO explained exactly what was happening and why they were doing what they were doing. Then asked everybody to go back to their desks and those who were effected would be receiving an email. Those people were to assemble in such-and-such conference room for more information.

      Our second CEO wasn't so nice. He said "We're laying off # people. You know the drill." That was pretty disgusting.

      I was effected by the second round of layoffs. Got transfered to a company that then laid everybody else off for them.

    3. Re:What a bunch... by jason0000042 · · Score: 1

      This is why I no longer work for the Flaming Asshole (we all called it that, I mean look at the logo).

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    4. Re:What a bunch... by saden1 · · Score: 1

      A truly wise employee will create value in himself so that he becomes indispensable. My stratagy is simple, know everything and have everyone else think you are the only one who knows everything. Whenever they need someone do something minor here and there I volunteer and get the job done.

      Seniority is overrated. If you make a ton on money you'll probably be one the first to get axed. Another one of my rules is don't get too greedy. Don't ask for exorbonant amount of money. If you make a little bit above average, you'll most likly be around through the rough times. Also, if you get a chance, smooch with the Director/Sr. manager. This will get you points when it is time to layoff a few people. Take him to launch, ask about the family, admire his nice big car, and if you ever get a chance invite him to dinner at your home or to 4th July party.

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    5. Re:What a bunch... by JohnFluxx · · Score: 1

      dude, your sig is disturbing.

      And hard to be sure you don't mean it in a racist way.

    6. Re:What a bunch... by secolactico · · Score: 1

      Dude, I don't know if you are for real or are just trying to be funny, but here goes nothing.

      My stratagy is simple, know everything and have everyone else think you are the only one who knows everything.

      Only if you are trying to lock yourself in your current position. "Sorry, man, we seriously considered making you the regional VP, but, who would run our systems?"

      Also, if you get a chance, smooch with the Director/Sr. manager

      Just don't overdo it, as it might breed resentment with your fellow employees. Also, if everybody identifies you as the director's main minion, if he's axed, chances are you will be too.

      A nice way to prevent is to include your fellow coworkers in these kind activities.

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    7. Re:What a bunch... by saden1 · · Score: 1

      <>

      You can always train someone to do your job , so if that VP position is open they'll strongly consider because you walking out on the company right after they passed you up is more disastrous than you moving up the ladder. No one likes to stay around when they've been passed up on a promotion they clearly deserved.

      <<A nice way to prevent is to include your fellow coworkers in these kind activities.>>

      Of course you don't wan to alienate yourself from your co-workers. If you invite the boss you have to invite some of the co-workers. As far as my relationship with co-workers goes I do nothing but smile and say thank you or good morning to them. I try to smooch with them too because often they'd come to me to ask for a favor here and there.

      p.s. I am no one's minion. I won't do anything unethical or illegal for anyone. And if some co-worker does something that is against company policy, I could care less. As always, my creed is "Mind Your Business."

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    8. Re:What a bunch... by saden1 · · Score: 1

      I'm far from a racists. I'm assuming your are getting the idea of my sig being racist by inferring that it is refrence to the novel âoeTo Kill a Mockingbird.â Well, let me assure you that I am neither a southerner nor white so I can't possibly be racist. I do however hate mockingbirds. They mock me every time I pass by them in the outdoors.

      Can you say pellet gun?

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    9. Re:What a bunch... by JohnFluxx · · Score: 1

      It's still disturbing :P

    10. Re:What a bunch... by PainKilleR-CE · · Score: 1

      Well, let me assure you that I am neither a southerner nor white so I can't possibly be racist.

      Sorry to even go on this way, and not to imply that you are racist, but you neither have to be a southerner nor white to be a racist. Of course, I am white and am currently in the south, so ymmv. I lived most of my life in the southwestern US, and have met plenty of racists of many races, and actually find most of the people I've met in the southeast to be slightly less racist (probably because there seems to be more diversity in this area, and most people that live here are not from here).

      As for linking the phrase 'I like to kill mockingbirds' to being racist, I have no clue where that came from. Maybe I missed some of the symbolism in the book, which I didn't really care for in the first place.

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    11. Re:What a bunch... by jrc313 · · Score: 1

      It's almost as bad as what happened to the employees at an accident claim company in the UK. The company went into receivership and employees were informed by text message that they had lost their jobs.

  5. For those who can't be bothered to click... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft forces layoffs on Xbox division in Japan

    Microsoft cuts 17 percent of the workforce at the Japan branch.

    According to a new report in Nikkei BizTech, Microsoft has laid off 34 employees in the Xbox division of its Japanese offices. The layoffs apparently caused a commotion among the workers because of differences in business practices between Japan and the United States.

    According to the article, the Xbox division staff in Japan, which consists of approximately 200 employees, was called to a meeting at the company's Tokyo office on March 20. The staff was then told by its new division head, Par Singh, that the sales of the Xbox in Japan had been extremely disappointing, and that the company will be forcing early retirement on a number of its workers.

    The employees were then told to check their e-mail inboxes, in which 34 of the workers received a notice to pack their belongings and go to the conference room. The passageway to the conference room had security guards protecting all the elevators and emergency exits. The terminated employees could use the restroom only if they were accompanied by one of the retained employees. According to one of the employees who was cut, if felt as though they were treated like criminals.

    Upon reaching the conference room, the terminated employees were told to wait for their turn to meet with their supervisor and the human resources manager. When their turn came, the terminated employees were told that they were being laid off because their positions had been eliminated.

    While Japanese companies no longer hire employees for life, it is still customary to retain employees as long as they are working hard and the company has the financial resources to support them. The employees naturally reacted badly to the abrupt layoff by Microsoft. But due to the forceful nature of the company's security measures, all 34 terminated employees had no choice but to accept their premium severance pay and leave the company.

    The Xbox division in Japan has undergone a number of management changes since January, when division head Hirohisa Oura was transferred to Microsoft's headquarters in the US. R&D division head Toshiyuki Miyata--recruited from Sony Computer Entertainment--was also dismissed from his position. The movement toward layoffs and stricter controls of the Xbox division by the US headquarters seems to be connected to the recent declines in Microsoft Japan's business performance. Microsoft Japan will be operating under former vice president Michael Rawding starting in July, which will be the first time since the division was founded in 1986 that a non-Japanese president will be taking the seat.

  6. Good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm really happy that the XBox fails the japanese market. This makes a video game console monopoly for M$ most unlikely. --- And that is good news in the meaning of quality, only a healthy competition could give.

    Thank you!

    1. Re:Good news! by MojoMonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Right, because less consoles mean no monopoly? Sony would love you for PR.

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    2. Re:Good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better doing PR for Sony and Nintendo than whining about low XBox sales in a non-US country.

    3. Re:Good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you missed his point. Implied the failure of the xbox will somehow stave off a monopoly. While anyone with common sense can figure out removing competition (in this case xbox) does nothing to prevent a monopoly (in fact, bolsters one). Now Sony only has Nintendo to worry about in Japan.

    4. Re:Good news! by Recoil_42 · · Score: 1

      Go take a look at all the products sony makes, and how they are doing versus their competitors. now say that again. Sony is both MPAA and RIAA (literally), dominates the audio, portable audio, home theater > television, game console, and camcorder sectors, and makes computers, microchips, cellphones (with ericson), DVD players, laptops, digital cameras.. need i continue? SONY is the worst kind of monopoly in the world, imho; NOT microsoft.

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    5. Re:Good news! by molarmass192 · · Score: 1

      Bullshit! Sony is no angel and they are a fierce competitor however Sony is not by any stretch of the imagination (or definition of the term) a monopoly. Sony has competition in each and every single one of their markets. On the other hand, Microsoft uses underhanded exclusive distribution and "marketing" incentives to shut out their competition. Sony competes based on the merit of their products while Microsoft competes by hijacking the channels of distribution from their competitors. Do you think people dislike Microsoft becuase of their products? No, it's their *tatics* that make them such a distasteful company. If you honestly think Microsoft is not the worst kind of monopoly in the world, it's only because you work there.

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  7. So enlighten me please... by UberChuckie · · Score: 3, Funny

    What's the Japanese way of laying off someone?

    1. Re:So enlighten me please... by PD · · Score: 1, Funny

      They are handed a sword and are expected to disembowel themselves. Their managers stand over them to cut their head off so they don't suffer so much.

    2. Re:So enlighten me please... by Rudeboy777 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Sending them an IM in their MMORPG of choice?

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    3. Re:So enlighten me please... by henrik · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Japanese way is not to lay off anyone. The company is your family and takes care of you througout life. As thanks for this you are loyal to your company and work good for it.

      Laying off people the American Way makes people lose face, not very popular in Japan (or East Asia).

      Never let anyone lose face, number one rule of social interaction in Japan.

    4. Re:So enlighten me please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "We are sorry, but you are outshining the other employees so much with your great work that it is destroying their morale. They have no hope of equalling your greatness, you see. We hope that you will forgive us for having to let you go."

    5. Re:So enlighten me please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You politely request that they honorably commit suicide.

    6. Re:So enlighten me please... by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 1

      They're much more liberal than that nowadays. They've given the option a the sword for the traditionalists, a pistol, a rifle, a grenade, or a cliff.

    7. Re:So enlighten me please... by E1v!$ · · Score: 1

      It's the same in Ireland.

      If you have an issue with someone you mention it to a mutual co-worker/friend and they tell the person. Face is very important.

    8. Re:So enlighten me please... by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There is a term, I forget the Japanese spelling, but the translation is 'the beside the window tribe.' It refers to one who is given and office, with a window, where the individual will then sit, quietly, until retirement, looking out the window, never again given anything useful or important to do.

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    9. Re:So enlighten me please... by taluven · · Score: 1

      No wonder their economy is in the toilet...

      Their companies carry around mountians of dead weight.

    10. Re:So enlighten me please... by aderusha · · Score: 2, Funny

      sounds great. are they hiring?

    11. Re:So enlighten me please... by pmz · · Score: 3, Funny

      What's the Japanese way of laying off someone?

      Revoke their smart-card rights to the karaoke machine...they'll get the message.

    12. Re:So enlighten me please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Faces are so important that apparently the Irish like to have two of them. Jeez. Just tell people what you think.

    13. Re:So enlighten me please... by darkov · · Score: 1

      I think it's "Billgatesikan"

    14. Re:So enlighten me please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And to a degree, this used to be the way things were in America. At least, if you were part of a super powerful union. But techies don't have a union and even unions don't assure this kind of expectation anymore.

      It's undestandable that company changs can lead to people having to be laid off, but the problem is that it's no longer a matter of "our company is losing money, so we can't afford to keep you". Instead, it's a matter of "our company is making a profit. In fact, we're making more money than any other year in our history. But we're not making as much as investors wished we would, so we're going to have to cut back a ton to make the numbers look good and encourage more investors so our stock goes up".

      I like the place I work. It's a huge company with about 40,000 people and I'd love to work here the rest of my life. The problem is, I know that I could be fired any day of the week on a whim and that prevents me from being as loyal and dedicated as I could be. They're cutting their own nose off there in lost production and customer service because it's hard to be enthusiastic about a place that will just end up a blip on your resume.

      I know that years ago people would have had one, two maybe three jobs on their resume by the end of their career. I wonder what this generation's resumes will look like in the year 2040. I bet we can expect to see ten page resumes become the norm.

    15. Re:So enlighten me please... by Damien+Neil · · Score: 3, Informative

      The word is "madogiwazoku". (ç"ésæ--)

    16. Re:So enlighten me please... by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ah, found it. It's 'Madogiwa Zoku.'

      The usual custom is to provide these middle-level managers with a larger-than-usual desk and comfortable chair near a window, but not give them any staff or duties to perform. Thereafer, they idle away the years, waiting for the time they reach the firm's mandatory retirement age.

      They do serve a purpose, however.

      When visitors are shuffled off on members of the "window tribe" it is a sign that the visitors, and whatever proposition they may have brought with them, are not considered important.

      From "The Japanese Have A Word For It by Boye Lafayette De Mente." Amazing book.

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    17. Re:So enlighten me please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So how do you "defragment the company's hard drive" if you know what I mean ?
      At one point some people a going to be hire and after a while you don't need them anymore. Why would I still retain their services and make their life pointless by paying them to look by the window all day ?

    18. Re:So enlighten me please... by August_zero · · Score: 1

      Work ethic

      Shame is a powerful force in Japan, and a worker that is failing to live up to expectation will leave on their own. Japanese workers for the most part want to do their best, it's just a cultural difference.

      The Carrottops of Japan are sort of ignored by co-workers until they get the message or, they were drowned at birth, not sure on that one.

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  8. it felt as though they were treated like criminals by deanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know this feeling. When I was much younger, I had a lot of company loyalty and was convinced that if I worked hard, I would be treated right. I watched layoff after layoff at two companies before i finally got caught up in one, and it was like a punch in the gut.

    That was a giant wake-up call to look out for #1, because if you don't, all you'll get is #2.

  9. Re:Not spite: safety by Kyoya · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was escorted from the premises after having performed what I thought a rather amicable resignation. Quite simply I was moving from the area and the company unfortunately had no offices where I was moving to.

    The way the company handled it though came across as if they trusted me about as much as they trusted a potential disgruntled employee. It comes across as a lack of respect for the person leaving and their level of responsibility. The best part of it was the companies core values and beliefs touted the fact that they believed firmly in giving individuals respect and that individuals treated with respect acted accordingly. But their treatment of those is another story.

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  10. They're not going to take that chance by GuyMannDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The way the company handled it though came across as if they trusted me about as much as they trusted a potential disgruntled employee. It comes across as a lack of respect for the person leaving and their level of responsibility.

    Yes, I understand that it's not "nice" or "fair" but companies don't really care about those things. They are playing it safe by assuming you're as bad as everyone else. Besides, would it really be any "nicer" for the company to escort certain employees out and let others take their time?

    The best part of it was the companies core values and beliefs touted the fact that they believed firmly in giving individuals respect and that individuals treated with respect acted accordingly. But their treatment of those is another story.

    You seem to already understand that their stated core values were really just words on a page to them. Also, you should double check that their stated core values really say "treating individuals with respect" and not "treating employees with respect". Since you just severed your relationship with them -- amicable or not -- I'm not sure why I see that they should still be held to those core values with regards to a now-former employee.

    I'm not trolling or flaming you. I do understand the points you're making. I'm just saying that you have to look at this whole situation from the company's point of view. You remember how the LAPD told O.J. "Sure, you can turn yourself in down at the station when it's convienent, Juice. We don't want this to be any more embarrasing for you than it already is." Well, we know how well that approach went. Even if you seem like a nice guy, no manager is going to risk that one-in-a-million chance that you might go bonkers on your way out. That's the way PHB think. Remember, it's called "Human resources" and not "personel" for a reason.

    GMD

    1. Re:They're not going to take that chance by Kyoya · · Score: 1

      The value I'm speaking of refered to the employees. I should know we read them at the start of every meeting.

      As for them "taking a chance", that's a cop out. A chance of what?

      That an employee who had a otherwise spotless work history may suddenly undergo a radical personality shift and become an evil clone? I don't think that's really what it is. I think it may be more of a "I would do this if it was me." factor. Automatically assuming an individual will behave in a childish and spiteful manner is not the sign of a good management organization in my opinion. But then I subscribed to the original company's version of the core values I spoke of. It's why I went to work for them and why I stayed after the change and left reluctantly at best. Again that's another story and if anyone ever posts about said company perhaps as a now disgruntled ex-employee I will elaborate on it. That's the real trick to treating everyone as a potential threat, you tend to annoy the ones who would have otherwise been harmless.

      Doubtful, in my case my direct supervisor was incredibly embarrassed by having to accompany me out.

      My current employer for whom I am working for contractually handles the end of my contract very nicely. I pick up and go home at the end. When it's time to come back and work I come back and re-attach my stuff to a cube. I have access to enough material for this employeer that I could easily damage their company if I so desired. My manager, however, trusts me to behave like a responsible adult.

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    2. Re:They're not going to take that chance by orthogonal · · Score: 1

      The value I'm speaking of refered to the employees. I should know we read them at the start of every meeting.

      Not trolling, serious question here: you read the company's statement of values at the start of every meeting??

      To me this sounds like it should be accompanied by drinking the Kool-Aid -- i.e cult-like.

      But since your were escorted out on leaving your employ, I'm guessing you did not work for a Japanese company.

      So what's the deal? What company has you read a catechism?

    3. Re:They're not going to take that chance by Kyoya · · Score: 1

      Yes, well the original company was something of a cult. Both amoung it's employees and it's customers. It's also probable that they read them to remind everyone as they had a very liberal drug and alcohol policy.

      After the merger with another company the new management kept reading them more or less to fool the majority of employees into thinking they were the same company.

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    4. Re:They're not going to take that chance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You remember how the LAPD told O.J. "Sure, you can turn yourself in down at the station when it's convienent, Juice."

      Yeah, he killed a girl and tried to get a friend to drive away while he held a gun to himself. I don't think that's comparable in any universe to what you're referring to.

  11. Just one sample of how bad it is... by TalMaximus · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...can be seen at IGN's monthly article "Gaming Life In Japan". Every month they release hardware and software sales for what are considered the major gaming consoles in Japan. Take a look at what was presented in June's article. The numbers are quite disturbing for Microsoft, though I'm sure that disappoints all the Open Source fans out there. ;)

    Hardware Sales in Japan:
    PS2: 44,300 (1,397,700)
    Game Boy Advance SP: 31,800 (1,116,900 this year)
    Game Boy Advance: 6,900 (890,800)
    GameCube: 1,900 (284,800)
    PSOne: 910 (42,800)
    Xbox: 770 (58,00)
    Swan Crystal: 320 (23,200)

    I don't know which is funnier:
    The fact that the PSOne outsold the Xbox during May, or the fact that this isn't the first time it has happened.

    Here's a link to the actual article, but to give a fair warning, you have to be an IGN Insider to read it.

    1. Re:Just one sample of how bad it is... by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      *sigh* Things don't look too hot for the GameCube either. Nintendo really needs to drop the price again or something.

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    2. Re:Just one sample of how bad it is... by hibiki_r · · Score: 1

      Nintendo is just trying to keep the GCN profitable, not trying to fight at all for the number 1 spot in home consoles. The company is not in trouble though: Since the release of the GBA:SP, GBA sales are outpacing the PS2 by a significant margin

    3. Re:Just one sample of how bad it is... by Daetrin · · Score: 1
      No, Nintendo isn't hurting right now, but this is no time to rest on their laurels. The N-Gage is a joke, but the PSP could become a threat eventually so Nintendo needs to get back in the habit of dealing with serious competition now while it still has some room to maneuver.

      They keep talking about how much they've changed, and how they've recognized the mistakes they've made in the past. However although i've seen some changes to how they do things, a lot of the trends are still the same, they're still having trouble getting 3rd party developers to make games for them and they're still having trouble pushing consoles.

      Maybe they'll manage to turn things around with the GCN2, but if not they may end up in a world of hurt if their next console does just as mediocrely and suddenly the PSP2 is coming out with a huge set of PSP games that it's backwards compatible with to challenge whichever version the GB is on at that point.

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    4. Re:Just one sample of how bad it is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Gamecube will be dropping in price soon, so everybody wanting one is waiting for the drop before purchasing - that's why the Gamecube number is so low.

  12. Companies creating bitter employees by Man+In+Black · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason employers do this "kick them out quick" approach is not out of spite but, rather, to protect themselves from employees who might try to exact some revenge on their way out.

    Really, if there is worry that ex-employees will try to sabotage things, shouldn't that be an indication that the company didn't treat them very well in the first place? I guess escorting them out is just a continuation of that...

    Anyone who gets fired can be expected to be a little upset... but I think it takes a vested hatred of the company to start sabotaging things.

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    1. Re:Companies creating bitter employees by GuyMannDude · · Score: 1

      Really, if there is worry that ex-employees will try to sabotage things, shouldn't that be an indication that the company didn't treat them very well in the first place? I guess escorting them out is just a continuation of that...

      Anyone who gets fired can be expected to be a little upset... but I think it takes a vested hatred of the company to start sabotaging things.

      That's because you're thinking like a mature, intelligent, emotionally-stable individual (I'll ignore the fact that I ran into you on slashdot :) ). I think that people are very unpredictable. I can easily see situations in which an employee is under some delusion that the company loves him. Then the hammer falls: he gets fired. Who can say how s/he's going to react? Their whole worldview and opinion of themselves comes crashing down. I wouldn't trust someone like that to quietly pack up their things and leave without doing anything harmful. I'm sorry, but I think your assumption that "it takes a vested hatred of the company to start sabotaging things." is a little naive. And even if *I* didn't think this way, management most certainly does.

      GMD

  13. Re:Not spite: safety by TalMaximus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft Exec: "Sabotage our system...HA...to do that they'd have to exploit some security flaw in our softwa....oh, wait.

  14. Re:Not spite: safety by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > "..according to one of the employees who was cut, it felt as though they were treated like criminals."

    It feels like that here in the US as well. It's really a shame. The only thing you can do is take preventative maintenance. For every file you keep at work that you want to keep after you're fired, burn it to disk, or email it home, or log in remotely and copy it, keeping as up-to-date as your needs call for. It's also not a bad idea at work to heavily encrypt things like your resume, locally stored personal email, and anything else personal you might have. Sure they can fire you and delete it, but they can't look at it. Having something at home on permanent loan, like a company laptop (even better, with sensitive data on it) also helps for when you want your USB drive, 8 port hub, speakers, flash card reader, and optical mouse back.

    The times when you are least likely ever to get fired are the times to arrange this sort of minor parachute, not the day after they announce layoffs.

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  15. Re:Not spite: safety by missing000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I disagree. Implementing this kind of draconian solution to a fear of reprisal just invites the employee to create security holes he can later use to extract revenge.

    A large .com I worked at even had a ritual of employees who thought their jobs were on the line madly trying to copy sensitive documents onto CDâ(TM)s that they then carried off-site.

    A better way to do things is to work with IT and have access to systems turned off when the employee is terminated. That way the employee can still recover personal data and his effects without the potential to damage production machines.

    One place I worked at actually removed the cat 5 cable from workstations of terminated employees to solve this problem in a rather low-tech fashion.

  16. Re:Not spite: safety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So lock their network access. There's a huge difference between locking someone out of the network and affording them a day to go say their goodbyes to coworkers and gather up their personal belongings and maybe have a last lunch at the company cafeteria... and just kicking them out like a caught shoplifter.

    After putting in many years at a company, the least I deserve is notice ahead of my firing and the courtesy of allowing me time to deal with things like packing and such before leaving. If you're a temp employee, that's a little different and I can understand not being quite as patient/giving.

    Think of it in this way. If I go out and get a new job and don't give my current employer two weeks notice, he'll probably use that against me if I ever use that company on my resume. But if I come back from my lunch break (and exhausted from having worked 48 hours straight) and they can me out of nowhere, it doesn't affect the company one bit, because *I* can't act as a reference to OTHER future employees about the place they're about to work.

    Fuck that.

    That's why it's important to keep a lot of NDA stuff in your posession on some disks. That way when you get pissed, escorting you out like a theif won't do them a shit of difference.

  17. Re:Not spite: safety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, congrats on being exactly why this happens. It wasn't always like this. So did the company create it, or did society change? Chicken and the egg.

  18. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you (paid) losers please stop this pathetic whining about the fact that Microsoft receives some (healthy) compatition at last in a non-US country? Is this paid corp. patriotism I smell here? Or are you really waiting for a Video Game monopol that simply sucks?

  19. Re:Not spite: safety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So naive. All employees are temp employees. You think you are better than someone because of some arbitrary designation? Unless you own it, you are a temp.

    Flame ahead: Another post from an example of why they do this, NDA violater man. Thanks for helping create the situation.

    Here's to hoping you get caught! Some people still work there. Does it make you feel better possibly damaging their livelyhood by disseminating sensitive information? Grow up.

  20. Re:Not spite: safety by lidocaineus · · Score: 1

    I don't know exactly what you're purporting with all this, but if I follow you correctly, you're the reason we have such lame policies as the one discussed above.

    Are you saying your employers don't give back property which is yours? Are you saying that to get it back, you need to bribe them with property you stole from them? Are you saying you regularly keep personal stuff on their computers? Isn't that a little silly, to be keeping email and your resume there on the hard drive? Maybe once in awhile, you might have your resume there for some odd reason, but that just sounds stupid if you leave it there all the time.

    Exactly what kind of sketchy companies have you worked for in the past?

  21. Tuxbox by baloogan · · Score: 0

    We need to release a open source console!!!

    GNXB/Tuxbox

  22. MOD PARENT UP! by dr+ttol · · Score: 1

    Very true, especially the last three sentences.

  23. Lack of Japanese only titles? by coday · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps the lack of interest is the lack of Japanes only titles for the XBox. The PS2 has a constant stream of Japanese only titles being released. As bizare as I find some of those games they obviously have a market because they keep putting them out. The Xbox may not be properly targeting their audience.

  24. Re:Not spite: safety by mixy1plik · · Score: 1

    I think you're absolutely right about this. Having been laid off before myself, I can attest to the unfriendliness of it all. It's practically a feeling of betrayal in some aspects because sometimes the people laying you off were who you would consider "friends", if only at work.

    When I watched my entire development team dissolve before my very eyes, someone swiped the source code, among other things. That isn't the only thing, either. But still, it's in a company's best interest to get people off-site quickly.

  25. It's not Xbox Japan's fault it's not selling by sandalwood · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Fair or not, I think this incident will further damage Microsoft's reputation as a game industry player in Japan. While a layoff handled like this may be common in the US, this incident was a newsmaker for Japan, and with good reason.


    As an aside, I feel really sympathetic to all employees of Xbox Japan. They are basically trying to sell ice to Eskimos (the Xbox is *that* unsuited to the Japanese market), and it's not their fault they can't. It's the boneheads at Redmond designed the stupid thing, and yet these guys are taking the fall for it. How maddening that must be.

    1. Re:It's not Xbox Japan's fault it's not selling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is the XBox really that unsuited to the Japanese market? Besides the controller being non-ideal, it seems that its biggest problems are that it is from a foreign company and that the software for it is not as good for the Japanese.

  26. It's not hard to understand by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
    The console is not Japanese-centric.

    A lot is made about the console's size, but if the next PlayStation is the size of an Xbox, I guarantee that it will still be bought in droves. Not to mention the fact that the Xbox is not significantly larger than the PS2. It's heavy as a brick, but it's only an extra half-inch taller, about 3/4" wider, and maybe a full inch deeper. Larger, to be sure, but it's ridiculous to think that the rather modest difference in size means anything at all. (Now, before you check my sig and complain about hypocricy, the thing about the Xbox is that it's heavy as a brick. Which really means nothing when it's sitting on a shelf, but makes for a good thrown weapon nonetheless).

    The Xbox does nothing to cater to the Japanese market. It caters to the US market, which is a prime reason why it outpaces Nintendo's offering. Sony is too big for anyone to take on in their first shot, but remember, Nintendo once was too.

  27. Re:Not spite: safety by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 1

    Lame policies are due to exiting employees who have hurt companies. All I'm talking about is getting out the door with your belongings, whether they be documents, files, hardware or a favorite mug. If you work some place a long time, you make a home there. I just think it's prudent to watch your back, and even the playing ground as much as possible. Nowhere did I advocate harming a company.

    I would never bribe, again it's just more even footing. They are less likely to scoff in your general direction or treat you like a trespasser if they also want something from you. I only know of other peoples' layoff and exit problems, I've been lucky myself, so far.
    For every honorable layoff story, there must be at least a hundred sketchy ones.

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  28. Re:Not spite: safety by PainKilleR-CE · · Score: 1

    Are you saying your employers don't give back property which is yours? Are you saying that to get it back, you need to bribe them with property you stole from them? Are you saying you regularly keep personal stuff on their computers? Isn't that a little silly, to be keeping email and your resume there on the hard drive? Maybe once in awhile, you might have your resume there for some odd reason, but that just sounds stupid if you leave it there all the time.

    The company I work for generally handles lay-offs by taking your badge and access card (which are their property anyway) and escorting you from the building with a quick stop-by at your cube/desk to pick up small personal belongings. Anything large will be packed and sent to you, and you can't log back into the computer and/or network, or take any disks/CDs. They also have a tendency, based on the employee's record with the company, to give you paid leave if you give them 2 weeks notice (in other words, you go home immediately), unless you're working on something that you intend to finish before you leave, which the company wants finished in that time.

    As for the other things: I've had my employer imply that I was attempting to steal company equipment on a few occasions when I decided to take home parts that I had brought in for testing purposes (which they had known I was bringing in for those purposes when I did it), and I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to claim ownership of my keyboard and mouse if/when I leave, despite the fact that they would not be able to produce any record of having purchased or reimbursed me for them, and not having a single keyboard or mouse in the building that is remotely similar. On the other hand, I'm somewhat more confident that they would return my books and coffee mugs to me, though they might just move them to the 'library' in the office.

    As for personal stuff on the computers, there's not really much the company can do about that here. They allow a certain amount of it, and unless it was the reason for the layoff in the first place, they don't take the time to look at the contents of your computer once you're gone anyway (unless there's something they think is on there that they need to find, such as data related to what you were working on). They also require us to update our resume periodically (to be submitted to various customers in order to win a contract), so it's quite normal for everyone in the office to have their resume on their own computer.

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  29. Re:Not spite: safety by lidocaineus · · Score: 1

    I have no doubt that there are plenty of shifty employers that partake in such lame acts, but you have to admit that there are plenty of employees who have brought that unto themselves as well.

    As for resumes and such, if it's in the interest of the company, of course you should have it on your computer. The poster was clearly indicating that he was leaning towards the more personal of things; personal emails, resumes that had nothing to do with current employment, and private documents. Again, fine to have laying around once in awhile (it's fairly inevitable if you spend most of your day in one particular spot), but to constantly have it moving in and out?

    I run a small production company and I make it a point to tell my employees that they are free to do personal business as (including emails, phone calls, and the like) as long as it doesn't overwhelmingly interfere with matters at hand; I don't want them to feel like they're in prison, and I don't want them staring at the clock, waiting for lunch breaks, other breaks, or the end of the day to get to things. But I also point out that their workstations aren't personal repositories and/or filing cabinets, because I don't need (or want) to know their personal business, and they also shouldn't be tying up too much company time.

    Balance goes a long way in this situation, and it seems like most of the posters are leaning too far to either side.

  30. Re:Not spite: safety by PainKilleR-CE · · Score: 1

    As for resumes and such, if it's in the interest of the company, of course you should have it on your computer. The poster was clearly indicating that he was leaning towards the more personal of things; personal emails, resumes that had nothing to do with current employment, and private documents. Again, fine to have laying around once in awhile (it's fairly inevitable if you spend most of your day in one particular spot), but to constantly have it moving in and out?

    The way I see it, if you don't want your company to know you have it, you shouldn't put it on the company's computers. Personal email is legally tracked by most companies large enough to afford to do so if you put it on their computer and/or ethernet lines, especially if it's coming to a company email address (in which case it's going through their email servers which almost always are reading your email). The company I work for also monitors most employees' computer usage through programs that would put most 'spyware' to shame, collecting information about what applications are used for how long, with the ability to track much more if they feel the need to monitor a particular person more closely, and all internet traffic is monitored at the individual sites as well as at various corporate offices (almost all internet access is routed through corporate offices rather than being direct from any particular site).

    At any point in time the company can easily copy anything from my hard drive or delete it completely, and can install anything on my computer. Of course, most of the people here don't use their computer as their primary tool for daily work, but rather for communication and paperwork.

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  31. I may be way off base by xenocide2 · · Score: 1

    But I think they lead you to a room with a large sword and a door out of the building, and leave for about 30 minutes, and expect you to be gone when the get back (one way or the other). =)

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  32. The only time I felt vengeful... by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    .... was when the company escorted out of the building a guy that had invested 10 years of his life who used to make emphasis on loyality to the company. For the way he was treated you may have believed he was just remmanded in custody by the police.

    I am a sane person and would never do anything unprofessional, but when you go hurting people feelings like that, sooner or later somebody will want to be nasty, and that somebody would not be necessarily the same person that was treated like dirt.

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