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John3 writes "InternetNewsM is reporting that PlanetLab is getting closer to reality. According to this article, a consortium of universities (including Princeton) is launching a test-bed platform based on Red Hat Linux. This project is different than Internet2 or some of the other "alternate Internet" networks being developed, and seems to offer the most benefit to distributed computing projects rather than generic WAN/Internet communications."
Its call AOL!
Please send me a copy of the Internet with which I can use this emulator. The preferred means is a station wagon full of DVD-R media.
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...or was the article blurb just a bunch of buzzwords stuck together? I mean, each of the clauses in it on its own made sense but the whole blurb just seemed kind of incoherent. It's very thin on actual specifics; this sounds like it could just be more vapourware, unfortunately.
Note to M1-ers: a curt but otherwise insightful message is not "Flamebait" or "Troll".
one of the things i find so interesting about PlanetLab is the way employing standards has actually increased the flexibility of the whole product. too often, standards are a primary ossifying force in technological development, especially when created after the fact; by coming up with a common platform and software package at the outset, and by having flexibility as one of the primary goals considered in development, standards will actally help ensure PlanetLab works as it was intended.
I can't help but say that most CS/IT majors need this. I've seen too many people write apps (simple ones even) that relied on that ethernet connection that the dorms give, 10Mbit between machines. "Scale down? Who has less than a fast cable modem these days?"
Now they just need to break the schedulers on the machines, to make them randomly almost-starve a process to make sure it can cope with a slow machine.
-- Bill "Houdini" Weiss
#ping 127.0.0.1 #ftp 127.0.0.1 #lynx http://127.0.0.1 #nmap -O 127.0.0.1 Who needs Cable/DSL when you have connectivity to localhost, it's the fastest thing out there!
YES, they use Linux
ohh oohh, and next they'll have the "Internet on DVD!!!" Yeah, only 20k per month, with 100k DVD's per month, cancel anytime! In other words, there is no replacement for the internet, nothing can really beat it. Except you know.. maby the internet on DVD, for long car rides through nevada?
OMG OMG OMG WTF OMG WTF BBQ STFU RTFM, OMFG OMG OMG OMG ROFL LMAO OMG WTF STFU ROFLMAO
SOMEBODY'S been watching a little too much Matrix lately.
"Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus."
So, are they looking at an infastructure/physical situation test, a protocol test, or perhaps both?
While I'd expect the test system to make at least some use of existing infastructure, but perhaps they'll find something to replace the current TCP/IP protocol, or something more towards IPV6.
It will be interesting to see the evolution of the internet in such as way. The content has changed but much of the mechanism behind it is still rooted in legacy. I wonder if this is intended to be a full switchover or just an upgrade.
Oh, and I wonder if private entities (such as myself) can also participate to test it out...?
Sounds like they're discussing Internet2, but they definately haven't talked to the experts.
Incidentally, I find most laymen's concept of the internet very funny.
They tend to get about 60 to 90% of the concept....
Slashdot has killed a planet. Expect alien invasion.
That's nothing. I just invented an internet emulator emulator. Beat that!
If you want to emulate all the behaviors of the real internet, you need to welcome the hackers. crackers and script kiddies, not to mention the "moms".
Forget about the AOLers, we don't need 'em.
I wonder how long the Jobfather and friends have been sitting on this innovation???
Check this out!
Sorry, but my karma just ran over your dogma.
Anything you can do I can do meta. I can do anything meta than you.
You were trying tog et the google cache of the internet?
If we slashdot the INTERNET google should be the least of your worries.
Banaaaana!
...no wonder you got some microsoft stuff, you spelled it wrong. Here, try this.
I think that would have been you, at the exact instant you posted your comment.
-- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
~~~
''[The Web is] so successful and so many people depend on it, it's become impossible to go to the core of the Internet and make radical changes to introduce the kind of new services we see people wanting to deploy,'' Princeton University scientist and Intel Research member Larry Peterson said during a conference call to the press.
How are changes so "radical" that it needs a newly designed system to merely do development and testing ever going to able to be gradually introduced into the "core of the Internet"?
Won't fly IMHO.
Science imitating science imitating life?
anything i tell you will cloud your opinion.
I tried out this "Internet Emulator", went the emulated Google page, and tried searching for "naked pictures of Carrie Ann Moss" and did not get a single hit.
If this thing can't even emulate the most basic function of the Internet, I don't know how it's gonna succeed.
"People that quote themselves in their signatures bother me" - athakur999
What? Not funny anymore? Guess I'll go hang myself then.
IAALS.
Then again, I suppose there are many different flaws in the existing internet, enough to warrant different solutions... ;)
This place needs an injection of originality. MS Sucks! It's an AOL luser! Yuk yuk yuk
Internet emulator. You can do much more with that! If you're going to try that hard to get FP AND be "Funny" at least show something new.
But you did get modded up to the ceiling, so what do I know.
Does it include a politician reminding us of his contribution to the creation of it?
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ping -f 255.255.255.255 # if only
And was having difficulty thinking why anyone in their right mind would ever want to emulate Internet Explorer.
Internet Simulator
...I'll just download it onto my new G5 with a few more hard drives...
They got the internet on computers now?
Does someone know where I can download roms?
i thought that was common knowledge ;P
As usual, someone is confusing Internet2 with Abilene Which is Internet2's high speed network. Abilene is just a part of what Internet2 does. If you ask me (and I know you didn't), Internet2's middleware stuff is much more interesting and ground breaking than a silly high speed network. Check out Shibboleth if you want to know where the Liberty Alliance got pretty much all their ideas :)
Finkployd
The PlanetLab software is based on the most current release of Red Hat
Which version? With the rate of integer jumps in Redhat's latest releases, is it that likely we'll see 10.0 before this article's life expectency is up the next few days?
I agree with other posters that the article seems high in fluff and low in content (understandable, since anything else would be a technical paper, not an article). But the things that stood out for me when I read the article were the part mentioned in the parent ("go to the core of the Internet and make radical changes"), and this:
"This is about pooling resources and to build out the infrastructure, but in the end this about lowering the barrier to entry to developing on the Internet," Peterson said.
"Lowering the barrier?" My goodness, my 12-year-old daughter could be designing Flash-enabled websites if she weren't so busy on AIM. What "barrier" are they talking about? I'd almost suggest we need higher "barriers" to keep out the "wELCOM tO MY wEBSIGHTE" kiddies.
Now read that last sentence again.
Maybe I'm letting paranoia run loose, but there are more than a few folks in industry that would also like to keep those kiddies off the 'net, raise the bar, have an Internet that is "more useful everyday," as Bill would say. The net effect, though, is to remove the internet gadflies that make the 'net such a democratizing medium.
The web's success isn't due to the Microsofts and the AOLs -- it's the little guys like me and you who rub the fat cats the wrong way.
With "high-tech companies... key to the project's success" (and Intel and HP specifically mentioned), I'm afraid their goal is to make the 'net better for those high-tech companies... and to leave the rest of the masses out of the "New Internet".
But maybe I'm just being paranoid.
Stressed? Me? Of course not. Stress is what a rubber band feels before it breaks, silly.
Where I work (CS Dept at University of Wisconsin), one of the professors (Paul Barford) is setting up the Wisconsin Advanced Internet Laboratory.
The website is located at http://wail.cs.wisc.edu
Right now the project is still getting started (We in the Computer Systems Lab just finished building them 75 P4 2.4Ghz machines with gigabit cards soley for the purpose of packet generation, as far as I understand) but it should be really interesting when it gets done. Basically, it's a simulation of the internet all in one room. It's a cool room to be in...lots of wires and cisco crap everywhere. Almost as cool as the main CS server room...
//FIXME: Bad
Except you know.. maby the internet on DVD, for long car rides through nevada?
All I'd need on a long car trip would be my e-mail, the last two weeks of Kuro5hin and Slashdot stories, plus caches of pages that the stories and the highest-rated comments link to. I don't need the whole web on DVD, just the part that I'm likely to read in the next couple hours. It's like The Matrix: when no human is looking, the Matrix does computations on its world model at a coarse precision.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Wish I had a point to burn, this one would be well spent.
Miko O'Sullivan
Realistic Internet Simulator?
Have I just missed the option, or why don't they offer it?
I got an error page from that google link.
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When I clicked it, google retunred:
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