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Building A (Serious) Home Network From Scratch

Casey Lang-Vie writes "THG are running an article that outlines how to build a home network from scratch. I wish I'd read this before I attempted - now I have a few (ok, 8) unsightly holes in my wall." This is the type of network that encourages home ownership rather than rental.

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  1. A drill, (When the wife is out) by ricosalomar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Worked for me.

    1. Re:A drill, (When the wife is out) by Glonoinha · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think that was the first THG article I have ever read that didn't have a graph comparing the performance of Quake 3 Arena over the different technologies being discussed.

      So here you go.

      Q3A on FiberOp .x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x
      Q3A on 100B--T .x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x
      Q3A on 802.11a .x.x.x.x
      Q3A on 10BaseT .x.x
      Q3A on 802.11b .x.

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  2. building a? by jeffkjo1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Building A (Serious) Home Network From Scratch

    Because lets face it, if you're not building a serious home network, then what are you building?

    1. Re:building a? by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 5, Funny

      How can they have an article about "ripping holes in your walls to deploy gigabit ethernet in the home" without a chapter on "convincing the wife" ? What combination of fighting, pleading, and nagging does Tom's Hardware reccomend ? Where are the benchmarks ? I demand to see a bar graph.

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    2. Re:building a? by rodgerd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not that hard at all if you have your own businesses that run out of home. Laying in a proper home network to share Internet access and put all your stuff on a centralised fileserver looks a lot betyter than nasty cables snaking all over the floor.

    3. Re:building a? by Snoopy77 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's all about the Point Management System (PMS). You endure awful movies, perform tasks around the house prior to being nagged to do it and do romantic thingys in order to score points. Points are rewarded depending on the level of commitment/endurance you demonstrated.

      For example, sitting through Titanic requires a high level of endurance and will score quite well. But if you are looking to earn enough points for a home network then you are going to have to attempt to sit through a Fried Green Tomatoes, Driving Miss Daisy Double. Even this won't get you close to earning enough points. Dishwashing, vacuuming and taking out the trash are good, but even better if you do it without being told. A romantic date to the movies is good, if dinner is thrown in even better. Dinner at Hooters is not good.

      And ofcourse, beware, points can be deducted. You must be on your best behavior. Unfortunately we cannot guarantee that any points will be retained for any period longer than a month.

      Good luck

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    4. Re:building a? by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ok, I'd suggest you ask your woman to give your testicles back. They are probably in here purse next to the tissues and breath mints. Then put the women and children to bed and go looking for conduit.

      If my woman doesn't like my computer shrine (currently 2 laptops, three desktops, 500ft of BRIGHT RED cat-v, and a WAP) then she knows where the door is. I just hope it doesn't hit her in the ass on her way out.

      Seriously, the only thing keeping me from being ubergeek is my wife spending money on German Smoking Men, Italian dishes, and flannel sheets. Don't get me wrong, I love all those things, but when I say $Computer_Thing is needed in my house, money is allocated.

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    5. Re:building a? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You want to know how to get double points for anything you ever want to do?

      Learn to give good head.

    6. Re:building a? by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 3, Funny

      There's no way that shit worked afterwords...

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    7. Re:building a? by dpilot · · Score: 2, Funny

      I guess now I know that I'm in the process of putting in a *comical* home network.

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    8. Re:building a? by Glonoinha · · Score: 2, Funny

      Check your wife for a pulse.

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    9. Re:building a? by sn0wcrash · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It actually did. She labelled every cable except the power cables. Even got my dual monitor setup and kvm setup right.

    10. Re:building a? by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 2, Funny

      Shit, *I* couldn't put the rats nest (3 PCs, Stereo, TV, VCR, DVD player, router, cable modem, power strips, lamps, kvm, etc.) behind my desk back together in less than a week.

      My wife won't even go in my office...

  3. Better holes in the wall, than in the wallet by jkrise · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As with emerging technologies, patents, copyirghts, proprietary protocols etc. have caused much misery in home networking. Why should home networking be any different from wirelesws corporate networks?

    Just 'cos powerful folks have pumped in dollars into the WiFi thing, doesn't mean we got to rush into this latest trendy thing.

    A simple UTP based LAN is more than sufficient for home needs.

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  4. Too hard by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wall plates, contractors, planning -- feh. Do it the easy way: buy a $2.99 package of ethernet cable wall staples at Home Depot. Grab a hammer, and you can have cables routed all over your house within minutes.

    1. Re:Too hard by poopdik · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wall plates, contractors, planning -- feh. Do it the easy way: buy a $2.99 package of ethernet cable wall staples at Home Depot. Grab a hammer, and you can have cables routed all over your house within minutes.

      Staples? Then you'd need a staple gun. I'm perfectly happy just having spools of cables running free around the house, behind furniture.. over tables. I think they are happier that way too.

    2. Re:Too hard by warpSpeed · · Score: 4, Funny
      Yuk. Thanks, but I'd rather have a tidy, kid-proof through the walls installation.

      Moreover, it does a lot more for the resale value.

      Thats the difference between the "mature" geeks and the young whipper snappers. :-) It is all about the resale value baby!

  5. Real men by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 5, Funny

    have 6 or 7 holes in every wall with in the house with blue wires hanging out of them.
    Wall plates? "We don need no steenkin wallplates!"

    Really now, why would anyone plan out a home network? That takes all the fun out ot it!
    I mean what's more fun than pulling wires at the last minute when you really have to have that wire.
    And then trying to untangle the whole thing when you have to trouble shoot it!

    Real men have huge tangled and matted nests of wires and they KNOW what every wire is!

    1. Re:Real men by l810c · · Score: 2, Funny
      I've been retro-fitting our new(to us) house for the past year. A whole spool of RG6 and on my 3rd spool of Cat5e.

      Sad thing is I have over $200 worth of Quikport wall plates & cat5e, co-ax, phone, banana inserts sitting is a box. And yet I have holes in every wall with 2-6 cables sticking out.

      I keep thinking I'm going to get to the finish work, but when I have free time I keep thinking of new places to run cable. The Kitchen Desk, the kitchen counter, the porch, the garage. I'll have LCD's hangin over the toilets before I get those damn wallplates installed :)

    2. Re:Real men by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not any more....

    3. Re:Real men by xThinkx · · Score: 5, Funny

      Real men have huge tangled and matted nests of wires...

      Horseshit, REAL MEN mod the crap out of anything they can get a computer and/or accessory into, including the house, and they know how to run cable. Real men run the cable in an organized fashion with EL wire for cable management and UV reactive paint or insulation for added decoration.

      Some plexi and a 4' x 6' hole in the wall to reveal amazingly cool wiring job is a must. Top off with cold-cathodes (since you're in the wall you can run them directly from AC) and you're sure to have the coolest freakin wall decoration ever. Talk about increasing resale value! Any uber-geek or pothead would kill for the borg or trippy look respectively. If you really wanna go cool, mount your router in the window too, but only after you've replaced all the ugly yellow LEDs with blue ones and added UV-reactive fans instead of any factory ones.

      Mod the World!... Am I the only one who believes that any thing with a case can/should be modded?

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    4. Re:Real men by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's really gay, man. I mean, fantabulously gay. Have you considered doing all the wiring for Trading Spaces?

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  6. I don't read THG, by $carab · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As is detailed here and here, Toms Hardware recently performed a media blackout at a Public event, the Million Man Lan Party.

    They are currently threatening to sue an online journalist (who happens to be a poor college student) for libel regarding his reporting of this story. Fortunately, the friendly folks at Hardocp have stepped in to provide some legal assistance for the guy, to make sure he is not railroaded into pulling down his editorial describing THG's media shenanigans.

    Do your part for Internet Free Speech. Boycott Toms Hardware Guide.

    1. Re:I don't read THG, by Osty · · Score: 5, Informative

      Do your part for Internet Free Speech. Boycott Toms Hardware Guide.

      And if you don't give a rat's ass about Internet Free Speech, boycott Tom's Hardware because they suck. Articles are spread across too many pages simply to create ad revenue, articles are poorly written and researched, the editors often seem to take a cue from Slashdot, and to top it all off THG is hardly impartial. If you want good hardware coverage, get it somewhere else.

    2. Re:I don't read THG, by User+956 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Do your part for Internet Free Speech. Boycott Toms Hardware Guide.

      Boycott tom's hardware? Dude, have you seen the fascist bullshit going on at HardOCP regarding their doctored benchmarks?

      Kyle Bennett mass bans longtime users of his own forum for criticizing his faked benchmarks-- How can you believe a word out of his mouth?

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    3. Re:I don't read THG, by mnemonic_ · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not to mention the previous THG scandals. Vans, Q3test benchmarks, "nVIDIA approved testing" graphic, TNT2 vs. Voodoo 3 (THG refrained from reviewing the Voodoo5 btw)... The list goes on.

      THG is visited religiously and exclusively by many computer enthusiasts, though if they cared to venture out beyond THG they'd find out that Mr. Pabst's establishment is and has been very controversial, to say the least.

    4. Re:I don't read THG, by mnemonic_ · · Score: 3, Informative

      Other, more reputable hardware sites:
      ExtremeTech (broke the story on nVIDIA 3dmark2k3 cheating, uses good benchmarking methods with the GameGauge)
      FiringSquad (good mainstream site, quicker more casual reading before getting into the really in-depth stuff)
      ArsTechnica (excellent for info on more fundamental aspects of hardware)

  7. Cat5 Cabling Woes by borgasm · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just a thought...

    Remember to follow spec when making your own network cables. Running the wires straight through will cause issues (signal interference). You must have pins 3 and 6 on the same twisted pair, otherwise, the cables won't work after 30 feet or so...

    If I had done it correctly, I could have saved 2 trips to the store, and lots of headaches.

  8. Wireless... by craenor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Best solution for a home network. Because I'm sorry, if you need more then the 5-20mbps throughput you'll get from 802.11b/g network...then you don't need a home network. You need an office network, at home.

    Does wireless have it's drawbacks? Yes, but so do wired networks. I run 5 computers at home on a wireless network, sharing one internet connection through a Linksys Router.

    I don't run WEP, but secure my network by changing the default ip address of my router and disabling DHCP. So you have to know the correct subnet to use to get on my network and assign your own ip address.

    Perfect security solution? No, but it works for me and I have a great home network with file sharing, print sharing and net access, in a reasonably secure environment for under $200.00 on 5 computers.

    1. Re:Wireless... by drwtsn32 · · Score: 5, Informative

      It is trivial to sniff your non-encrypted packets and determine the subnet you are using (or at least the IP address of your machines and gateway).

      Why not use WEP? It doesn't cost anything. Also turn on MAC filtering and turn off SSID broadcasts.

      Then you can claim to have a reasonably secure environment. (As far as consumer wireless stuff goes.)

    2. Re:Wireless... by craenor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You are right...and as soon as I think one of my neighbors can/will do that, I'll upgrade my wireless network security.

      I regularly run net stumbler and the like to see if I can pick up other wireless networks. When I think I actually need better security I'll add it. For the time being though, there is nothing on any of my computers that really needs securing.

      As for why I don't use WEP? I've found it somewhat buggy and it sucks up bandwidth.

    3. Re:Wireless... by drwtsn32 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The choice to implement security AFTER there is a problem is a very poor choice IMO.

    4. Re:Wireless... by Osty · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I had something worth protecting, I would agree. But if someone sinister really wants to attack my computer while I'm in the middle of a mad game of scrabble with my Wife...then I'll fix whatever they broke and take the needed security precautions.

      Bad call, for two reasons. First, security is not just to protect your stuff worth protecting. Your network itself is a valuable resource to hackers. Second, you can't always just "fix whatever they broke", because you don't know what they left behind. That's why even "white hat" hackers are bad when they go breaking into other people's computers -- they really may not have done anything but added a text file saying "You have been hax0red, here's how and what to fix", but you don't know that's all they did.


      This lax attitude towards security is why there are so many DDoS networks out there built from the computers of ignorant cable and DSL users.

    5. Re:Wireless... by drwtsn32 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But as it is, people want me to spend more time trying to protect my computers then I would spend just doing an OS reinstall...that it probably needed anyway. No sir, not worth it.

      It took me all of 2 minutes to enable WEP, enable MAC filtering, and turn off SSID broadcasts.

    6. Re:Wireless... by Osty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But as it is, people want me to spend more time trying to protect my computers then I would spend just doing an OS reinstall...that it probably needed anyway. No sir, not worth it.

      The way I figure it, you can spend two hours protecting your system, or you can spend two hours times N reinstalling. I'd rather take two hours up front, and have to reinstall less often because of security breaches.

    7. Re:Wireless... by chrestomanci · · Score: 4, Insightful
      If I had something worth protecting, I would agree. But if someone sinister really wants to attack my computer while I'm in the middle of a mad game of scrabble with my Wife...then I'll fix whatever they broke and take the needed security precautions.

      Bad idea! If someone hacks your network and used your connection, then you could get into serous trouble

      About a month ago, My next door neighbour was convicted of downloading child porn from the internet. When people in my neighbourhood read about it in the newspapers, they broke all his windows, wrote graffiti, and hounded him away.

      Had I been running a wireless network, he could have easily leeched my internet connection to download the filth. Then the cops would have come knocking on my door. Even if I had been able to convince them that it was someone else, there would still be a nasty air of suspicion, from my other neighbours. Mud sticks.

      After that incident, I would advise anyone thinking of setting up a wireless network to secure it well, and if they grant access to any third party, they should log EVERYTHING, as they may need those logs to defend themselves.

      Likewise, an open network could be used to send spam, or hack attacks, but that is less likely to cause criminal charges back in the real world.

    8. Re:Wireless... by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      But as it is, people want me to spend more time trying to protect my computers then I would spend just doing an OS reinstall...that it probably needed anyway. No sir, not worth it.

      People like you should not be allowed to connect to the Internet. The Internet is about cooperation, and laziness is not acceptable. You're selfish if all you think about is your network. Consider what someone could do if they gained illegal access to your network and used it to attack other people? OK, if that doesn't convince you then consider your neighbors browsing child porn through your WAP gateway and trying to explain to your dumb hick cops that you're not the one doing it when they come bust down your door.

    9. Re:Wireless... by kcurrie · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't run WEP, but secure my network by changing the default ip address of my router and disabling DHCP. So you have to know the correct subnet to use to get on my network and assign your own ip address.

      You're not "securing" your network by changing the address and disabling DHCP. You're making an attacker take an additional few seconds before jumping on your network. Sniffing your network for a few minutes will reveal what address range should be used.

      A better solution:

      1) disable SSID broadcasting. Note that this is simply a "good" thing to do-- SSIDs can still be sniffed in normal traffic.
      2) Use MAC filtering-- i.e. set your access point to only allow the mac addresses for the cards you have. This helps, but does *not* prevent others from stealing your mac for acccess.
      3) Use the lame WEP
      4) Use a VPN. Have your wireless in your DMZ (behind a firewall) and in front of another one. Have the internal firewall allow though the port(s) required for for your laptops to authenticate to your internal VPN server.
      You can use IPSEC, CIPE, OpenVPN, vtun, or even PPP over SSH (not recommended). I personally like OpenVPN, although there is no Windows client at the moment (there is for IPSEC and CIPE though).

      Configure your externally facing firewall to NOT
      allow packets out from your wireless-- instead those packets need to come from your VPN server.
      If somebody gets access to your wireless network they then cannot access the internet nor can they access your home network.

      Running something like arpwatch looking for new MAC addresses is a nice thing as well, but if you're using mac address filtering it should be impossible for any other mac to authenticate on your network anyway.

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  9. ...wishful thinking... by warriorpostman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Great article...but as it says in the header this is the kind of knowledge that's good for people who own their home rather than rent. I don't have the option to drill holes in the wall and install CAT-5 outlets. And it's not currently in my budget to convert all the existing hosts on my home (read play) network to wireless.

    I'd like to see an article about the unique ways in which geeks acquire used hardware...the kind of stories where people who don't understand why on earth some computer savvy individual could possibly want their old PII desk top system which is slowly grinding to a halt under the cross of Win 98!

    Ultimately, most of my struggles with slowly building and upgrading my home network have been software related. Looking forward to 10 years from now when I can afford a house and will have the luxury to hide the CAT-5 (or most likely go wireless) in the walls instead of having to run them along the baseboard of our hallways!

  10. He hired a Contractor! by dokebi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's the point of putting an article together if you just hire some guys to do it for you? Is choosing the cable type and faceplate style that big of a deal? That's like saying "I wrote this article about building a computer from scratch, and we just asked Dell to do it for us. Oh, btw, I asked them to use grey face plates instead of the black one."

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    1. Re:He hired a Contractor! by mindstrm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, it's not hard. But consider this.

      You have cables running hidden in the walls of your house, cables that CAN catch on fire. Are they the right kind, that won't burn up and toxically kill your family in a fire? What if some bunk gear sets them on fire?
      Are they too close to power lines? What are the code regulations regarding this?
      Are they installed in the right places?

      Sure, it's not nearly as important as installing power or other utilities... and I would bet you don't need a contractor to put in cat5... it's not a utility... but there ARE reasons to have someone professional do it.. especially for resale of your house. Or insurance.. what if your house burns down due to some electrical problem, and there was amateur wiring installed? Who's fault is that? You can bet the insurance company wil leverage it.

    2. Re:He hired a Contractor! by Leebert · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > What's the point of putting an article together if you just hire some guys to do it for you?

      I have a side business where we do a lot of network cabling. We avoid residential, and basically refuse to do it except for a few cases where we are asked by a contractor who gives us a lot of commercial work. Hiring a contractor for something like this isn't all that bad of an idea. The main reason why I say this is because good contractors have a huge array of tools to do the job correctly. And they know how to use them.

      Running network cable in a commercial environment is usually trivial. Running network cable in a home is always a hassle, and you had better know what you are doing. You also had better know how to fix a problem when you create it.

      If you get queezy thinking about sawing holes in drywall and then patching it up (not just sloppily -- correctly so it looks like there was never a hole there), then yes, you should hire a contractor.

      But be very careful, since most good contractors won't do residential. Homeowners whine a lot, don't want to pay much, and expect too much.

      As far as this article, I don't really see the point, either.

  11. Re:Cat 5e vrs. Cat 6 by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. Category 6 FAQ
    2. Fat cat 6 cable pays off

    In other words, it's planning for the future. Sure, you can get decent runs of gigabit ethernet over cat5e tp but what about ten gig? The day will come when you'll want to use it, and if you own the house, you may actually live to see that day :)

    If it's a rental, you're just going to do a temporary install anyway. For example, I needed to run ethernet to a back bedroom, so I put holes in the ceiling in the bedroom and the living room (where the firewall, and the switch are) and just ran some cat5 up, through the attic, and back down. But if I actually lived here, I'd want to cut a hole in the wall, install a box, drop the cable down in the wall, and do a nice clean professional-looking install - And I'd want to plan for the future. In my case that would mean installing some smooth-sided conduit so I could poke some more cable through later, but if you end up having to rip out walls or something then I would definitely put in cat6 and seriously consider fiber. I'd also certainly install some coax and terminate it with BNCs.

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  12. True Story... by term0r · · Score: 3, Funny

    In my first flat me and my flatmates (roommates) networked our house. All we had on hand was a knife sharpener and a Mallet. So, knife sharpener was placed against the wall, and given a nice thumb with the mallet. The entry wounds (my name for them) were quite nice and neat, only about 3 cm diameter of disturbed wall. However, the exit wounds on some walls had cracks up to about 1 metre long and actual openings of about 10 cm in diameter.

    However, a few well placed posters and a lenient landlord helped :)

    All in all, it was a nice reliable, albeit co-ax, network.

    Nowadays I have a nice neat network, using lots of cable ties, packing tape and lots of Cat5. I am currently doing free computer work for a sparky friend in the hope that I can get some Cat5 installed for free when I buy my own home.

  13. Re:Cat 5e vrs. Cat 6 by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I really don't know what happened to my cat6 faq link. It was at TIA. Oh well, try http://www.convergencecable.com/cat6faq.htm and http://www.kroneindopac.com/tech/cat6faq.asp and maybe also http://www.tiaonline.org/standards/category6/cat6_ for_search_engine.htm, the page I meant to link in the first place. I used preview this time, like a good boy.

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  14. I built a computer from scratch, too! by dokebi · · Score: 4, Funny

    I just called up Dell and told them what to put in my box. I told them to put in P4 3Ghz, instead of 2.8GHz because it's better, and only slightly more expensive. I also told them what color cables to use. Moderators: It's funny, because it's True

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  15. an article not worth reading by drhannibal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I made the mistake of reading this entire article. I recommend to all those who entertain the idea skip it. Important questions such as cat6 vs. 5e vs wireless a/b/g aren't given sufficient coverage. Instead it reads like an advertisement for some lame-o contractor. Few people build a home network like this. The guy tells you how to hire a contractor to do the hole punching for you! This isnt the slashdot way: we like punching our own holes in the walls and crawling around in attics and toiling in insulation. Sorry THG, usually your articles have at least marginal worth, this one was a real loser. From someone who has installed their own (highly pleasing, if you know what i mean) home network, dont read this article. Cover your eyes. If you want the advice this article gives you, I can summarize in one sentence. Hire a contractor. On the other hand, if you read slashdot, go to fry's, buy 1000m of cat5/e and a few face plates, get out the hammer and the pocket knife and start doing it big...

    1. Re:an article not worth reading by Snoopy77 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I made the mistake of reading this entire article. I recommend to all those who entertain the idea skip it.

      Damn it! The one time I decided to RTFA and it's a dud. I swear I'll never read an article again!

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  16. Cat5 + Coax + RJ-12 by borgasm · · Score: 5, Informative

    Another idea for a home network is to run special cable rather than separate phone, ethernet, and coaxial.

    It is bundled Cat5, telephone, and coaxial, and comes in a tight package not much larger than heavily shielded (RJ-6 coax?).

    You can easily run central distribution of phones, video on demand, networking...etc...

    Kill 3 birds with one stone....

    1. Re:Cat5 + Coax + RJ-12 by reverse+flow+reactor · · Score: 4, Informative

      Another idea is to pull a strand of string through the wall too. That way, years later when you decide to add another cable, you attach the new cable and a new piece of string to one end of the old string, and pull it through from the other end. Very cheap and easy to do if you do it in advance, and a real time-saver later on.

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    2. Re:Cat5 + Coax + RJ-12 by kinnell · · Score: 2, Funny
      Another idea is to pull a strand of string through the wall too

      Also, by attachin a used yoghurt pot to each end of the string, it can double as an inexpensive room to room intercom system.

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  17. Wireless by rf0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought about starting to put holes in walls etc but taking that my walls are about 2 foot thick I decided to just go wireless. 11Mb all round the house and into the garden and not one hole drilled. OK not as fast as wired but so much neater and easier

    Rus

  18. Better use plenum cable in the walls. by mikeophile · · Score: 3, Informative
    It's in the building code in a lot of places and it's no just the law, it's a good idea.

    Plenum cable is pretty much the same as regular CAT, except it's more expensive and more fire resistant.

    Regular CAT in a fire can act like a fuse, moving the fire from one part of the house to another inside the walls.

    1. Re:Better use plenum cable in the walls. by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Informative
      Better use plenum cable in the walls. It's in the building code in a lot of places

      Actually, no- it's not required in-wall. The only cases where plenum is required is in air ducts, hence the name, plenum cable. Want to guess why? PVC gives off extremely toxic fumes when it burns. Plenum is a little more fire resistant, and a little less toxic.

      Try googling around, you'll find what I found:

      "Plenum Cable: A cable with flammability and smoke characteristics that meet the safety requirements of the National Electrical Code® (NEC®) that allow it to be routed in a plenum area without being enclosed in a conduit. See plenum."

      Regular CAT in a fire can act like a fuse, moving the fire from one part of the house to another inside the walls.

      This is bullshit. It's not a "fuse", but regardless- plenum would eventually do the same thing- it's a little more fire-resistant than PVC, but it'll still burn.

    2. Re:Better use plenum cable in the walls. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      "It's not a "fuse", but regardless- plenum would eventually do the same thing- it's a little more fire-resistant than PVC, but it'll still burn."

      FEP plenum cable has a temperature rating of 200 C

      PFA Teflon plenum cable is rated at 260 C.

      PVC sheathed cable maxes out at 105 C, and even worse is PE cable at 80 C.

      Saying Teflon plenum cable is a little more fire-resistant than PVC is like saying Kevlar is only a little more bullet resistant than a wet napkin.

  19. tip number one by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Informative

    Right off the bat, I see one very evil problem with the article- they show cables with those $@#!ing boots.

    I'm gonna make this as clear as possible:
    NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER BUY ETHERNET CABLES WITH BOOTS.

    Why? Because you can't plug them into switches/hubs/routers unless the device has spacing to allow for the boot. Many, many devices don't! The boots also do a great job of interfering with the case of many systems with builtin ethernet.

    Oh, and here's another tip for the readers, a VERY common myth- I didn't see if they mentioned this, but you CANNOT just do "same color order on both ends". The whole point behind twisted pair is that the twisted pairs reduce loss from magnetics. In order to take advantage of that, you have to use the pairs properly- ie, you need to put the pairs on the rx and tx pairs on the connector, or you've got a signal flowing over different pairs, and that's WRONG. I had to correct several coworkers at two different jobs, who were wiring cables any old way, just making the ends the same. Surprise, the cables worked like shit. Folks- 100BaseT spec only allows for ONE INCH of untwisted wire on the entire cable, so don't go making really long untwisted leaders into the connectors. It's a pain to get the hang of it and getting 'em all lined up right, but it needs to be done properly!

    1. Re:tip number one by Edward+Scissorhands · · Score: 3, Informative

      As well, make sure that you use google to search for T-568A or T-568B. These are the proper standards for wiring Cat5 ethernet. To make a straight-through cable, use the same wiring standard at both ends. To make a cross-over cable, make one end 568A and the other end 568B.

      Aww, what the hell. I do the Google search for you.

      Excellent resource, but it's a large PDF.

      Also, if you're in the middle of some renovations and your walls are being shifted or otherwise opened, run all of your cable in conduit! This will make upgrades much easier. Plan ahead!

    2. Re:tip number one by Spoing · · Score: 2, Informative
      Folks- 100BaseT spec only allows for ONE INCH of untwisted wire on the entire cable, so don't go making really long untwisted leaders into the connectors. It's a pain to get the hang of it and getting 'em all lined up right, but it needs to be done properly!

      The method you recommend is a pain because you're doing it wrong! (It's also something I would have recommended a few years ago when many of my cables would not work or work well.)

      At that time, I met a phone installer. After going through cable after cable of my own tedious and exact cables, I shut up and watched him. The first thing he did was sheer off about 6 inches of the cover, using the pull string to slit it open. Then, pulling each wire up like hair on a doll, he moved each into position and started to align them, dancing the wires around each other only as necessary. Only at the last moment did he pull all the wires together and snip them off before putting a connector on and crimping.

      This takes ~45 seconds if you're slow, and ~10 seconds if you're at the level of the phone installer I mentioned. The resulting cable ends that always work. To learn this method takes a hell of a lot less practice.

      If you try this method and it does not work, find someone who knows what they are doing and watch them!

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    3. Re:tip number one by silas_moeckel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ok first off I have been making ethernet cables since the late 80's and I have never done it any way but this if I had a choice. Giving yourself an inch or more of cable to untwist and allign is significantly easier to flatten with your fingers. Using standard rj45 ends and crimper just trim insert and crimp you wont have any untwisted before the plastic seperators. You can also make your life easy and use the AMP pull through connectors no muss no fuss unless your have nonstandard switches and patch pannels that dont have the key slot (cheap switches generaly it's a patend thing or something that I think AMP has about those key slots a knife fixes the issue)

      Now as far as home wirering why would you ever be terminating to rj45 ends? You go keystone to patch or keystone in the walls and generaly buy your cat 5 whips (standed cable is better for a whip it's more flexable and not as prone to breakage from repeated flexing) Persoanly I went with the Leviton wall plates and keystones from home depot mostly because they were cheaper than any other vendor I could find. Pull an aditional cable to each end point along with coax and a pull cord with a 2 store house the only hard pull was to the attic distrobution pannel and for that I used a surpluss 50 pair trunk and a few coax runs. One distrobution switch in the attic and one in the basement with a gige connecting the two along with voice, serial and digital sat.

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    4. Re:tip number one by wetshoe · · Score: 2, Informative

      An even easier way to ensure that your cables are up to spec is to buy one cable from OfficeDepot/buy.com/any other place, and then use that cable as a template. You can see exactly how the cable is to be set up, and you can then compare these two cables side by side.
      I've found it easier to teach people to make cat5 cables by giving them one and telling them to copy it, instead of giving them a picture. If you give them a picture, they inevidably (bad spelling) mess up the cable, usually make it backwards.

  20. Sorry... by poptones · · Score: 2
    Is it still a boycott if I never read it in the first place?

    Really, I don't get /. citing all these THG articles. If there is a any site on the net ten years past it's prime, it's that waste of bandwidth at Tom's House & Garden.

  21. Why people DON'T have home networks by PizzaFace · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I used to think the process described in the article was the way to build a home network, and that's why I didn't have a home network. Like a big LEGO sculpture, it's cool to look at, and some geeks will make a hobby of it, but it's not a project for most people who just want a useful end-product.

    Now there's WiFi, and even the cheap 802.11b hardware is fine for sharing files, printers, and broadband. Buy a USB adapter for each remote computer and you don't even need to open the cases. You can have everyone connected in an hour. Now THAT is practical home networking.

  22. I was lucky by @ngel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I and my three roommates moved into our house we rent right now, we were lucky: the landlords were just finishing the renovations, and we (being graduates with IT degrees) quickly suggested they let us run CAT5 all over the house while things were still in the "rebuilding" phase. After about 3 minutes of describing the benefits, they agreed, and we quickly got a network map laid out.

    We now have CAT5, phone, and coaxial cable running to 7 rooms, all faceplated, across 3+ floors. They all meet in the basement of the house, with the chimney acting as a backbone guide. The Cable modem, router, and switch are all down there, on a custom built shelf. We run a Wireless base station in the attic for all our laptops, and have almost no visible wiring (the only visible wiring being the cat5 to the desk).

    The point is if you start off from the beginning and plan for cat5 around the house, it makes it a lot easier. Granted, we had our landlords/carpenters to help us find our way into walls and floors to get it from the basement to the attic. But it works, we've never had a problem, and the house is now cleanly wired for ethernet, which our landlords love, for future tenents.

    So yes, a little planning goes a LONG way!

  23. Don't make it too complicated by appleLaserWriter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your home has phone lines, right?

    Go onto EBay and get some nice US Robotics Courrier HST modems, one for each room. Next, find some speedy 486DX-50 (not DX2-50) boxen, also one per room.

    As you add more and more 486 and HST modems, both your compute speed and comm throughput tends towards infinte.

    This is the beauty of the Home Beowulf Network!

    Ethernet is for wussies. Real Men (tm) do it at 16.8k.

  24. Re:Homeowneritis by schussat · · Score: 2, Redundant
    The most dangerous words you can think during a remodeling project are "as long as we're here, we might as well..."

    So true. The very same thought turned a 10-minute repair into a five-hour ordeal on my back underneath the eveaporative cooler on my roof last weekend.

    The next most dangerous words are, "That can't be too hard. It might even be fun."

    -schussat

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  25. Re:Poor bastards. by Zarquon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Because I was upgrading from a true 10 mbit network (10B2.. people kept #@!#ing with the T-connectors) and wasn't about to take a performance hit, as well as a large monetary hit.

    Shared files on 10 mbit were fairly slow, and print jobs for the new printer were taking minutes per page to spool on complex pages.

    10/100 card, $8/port.
    16 port switch, $90. 7 ports used, $13/port.
    Wall plate / jack, $8/port.
    Cable: Had leftover partial spool of 5e, free.
    price per port for switched 100 mbit? $29

    7 port wireless:
    Price /port of pci wireless card: $50-70. Call it $60.
    Access point, varies, $80 for an okay one. $11/port.
    Price per port: $71 / port for shared 11 mbit that goes down anything someone turns on the microwave.

    G wasn't widely available when I put the 10/100 in, but current prices seem to be:

    Did I include time to run the wire and terminate it? No.

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  26. What I've done and recommened for wiring. by MrLint · · Score: 4, Informative

    I skimmed over the article and kinda looked bewildered when I saw that rack monster. From the look of this it kinda take the 'new' this old house stance instead of the 'old' this old house stance. That is to say, looks like they are doing new construction as opposed to a geeky retrofit.

    Knowing your house plan is important as well as plan plan planning.

    With DSL you have a bit of room to play. If possible (and environment permitting) I like to tap the phone line right where it comes into the house (usually the basement). Setting a nice shelf on the wall for your modem and (mandatory) router. A small 12" patch panel (larger if you want to do a phone retrofit). With Cable you are sometimes more tied to where the cable comes in, and thats not always the basement.

    But planning is the key. Find where you want to be the heart of the network and try to run stuff there. If possible split the incoming broadband only once before the downlink device (modem).

    Now comes the big question mark that hangs over most people's heads.. how to I do the jacks? Most people are just plain not familiar with the products in this category. There are several manufactures of this stuff I have experience, and happen to like the Panduit mini-com line of products. Most of the vendors have similar competing products. These jacks are not cheap. Try not to skimp and use low quality product. These are modular jacks that snap into not only the patch panel but also wall units that mount into standard electrical boxes (use the blue plastic ones please.. don't slice your data lines). The jacks are color coded and then snap together. You (almost) cant mess it up.

    Now nearly all of your do-it-yourself people will not have a proper TDR (time domain reflectometer) to do exhaustive testing with. If you buy one of those 15 buck line continuity tester and if you use the (nearly) mistake proof jacks, you will probably be just fine for your updated geek home of tomorrow.

    PS. Just because I like to my self I recommend that you run 2 lines if you are going to run one. The cable is cheap and you are already committed to the effort of running it.

    PPS I'll leave the cable choice discussions up to other threads and the article. But if possible, match your jacks to the type of cable you choose.

    I've also done thin-net installations, I can answer a few questions there if someone is a masochist:)

  27. Let me tell you... by The+Panther! · · Score: 5, Funny

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  28. Come on by Fizzlewhiff · · Score: 2, Funny

    Any serious geek has a raised floor and a communications rack in the linen closet to tie it all together. This article is for people who prefer ceramic tile and carptet to the clunck of a raised floor.

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  29. Paid ad? by Animats · · Score: 3, Funny
    That article was a paid commercial, right?

    Here's Mr Green, he's so serene, he's got a TV in every room

  30. Are you seriously arguing against plenum in homes? by mikeophile · · Score: 3, Informative
    If you were going to build a house for yourself with network cable in the walls, why would you use something that burns readily and creates loads of toxic smoke?

    Oh, and yes, non-plenum cable can indeed carry fire from one part of a building to another.

    In 1975 there was a large fire at One World Trade Center that luckily occurred in the middle of the night when the building was unoccupied. The One World Trade Center fire was analyzed in great detail and a report was issued by The New York Board of Fire Underwriters Bureau of Fire Prevention and Public Relations. The information gathered in this investigation was used to further develop New York City Local Law 5. The following are some of the observations/ conclusions of the report.

    "The [exposed] polyethylene (PE) and polyvinyl chloride (PVC) cable insulation and plastic back panel blocks burned readily so that virtually all combustibles including the fire retardant wood paneling on the telephone closet walls of the 10th and 12th floors were destroyed".

  31. Tips and tricks for running copper/fiber by LoRdTAW · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well I have a nice home network that consists of copper strung through the walls. And if you want a professional looking job here are some tips and tricks to use:
    - first place to check is your basement. Older homes might have had duct work for forced air heating but since switched to steam/hot water. I have helped my friend wire his whole house using the old ducts as pathways for running the cable.
    - IF you want to run cable through the walls the outer walls of your home are filled with insulation thus making it near impossible to pull cable. the next best walls are walls inside your home that both side of the walls are inside your home. they are hollow and can easily have cable pulled through them.
    - Closets are your friend as you can drill holes in them without having to worry about people seeing them. I have a cable that runs from my basement to the second floor closet through a hollow inner wall and then through the closet floor into the ceiling into the attic where I pulled the wire along to another room and drilled down through its closet to run the cable.
    - If you want to know where studs are inside the walls of your home the standard spacing is 16 inches from the nearest corner. most any tape measure will have 16 inch markings for stud locations. But be aware this method isn't always 100% as some times they might be a much as 2 inches off.
    - attics are also another great place to run cable. locate the room below you want to run cable to and drill from the attic to that rooms closet if it has one to conceal the cable.
    - most homes have a molding around the floor. you can remove it with a pry bar without damaging it and cut holes into the sheet rock or plaster and run wire through them. Replace the molding to cover up the hole. always remember to not make the hole higher then the molding otherwise you just made a mess. This is a good way to get cable from one room to adjacent room/closet.
    - If you do have forced air heating/cooling you can run cable inside the ducts. If you do decide to do this make sure you use plenum rated cable to stay compliant with local/national building codes.
    - Buying cable can sometimes be a problem as you do not know what type or brand to buy. there are two basic cable types regular jackets which most likely be PVC or plenum rated. Plenum cable is designed to give off little or no toxic smoke when burned. this is used inside buildings that use the space inside a drop ceiling as an air duct as well. Also if you plan to run the cable inside an air duct you must use plenum cable to comply with national building codes. So if its just the inside of your home walls the cheap PVC is fine. Also don't go overboard and buy expensive beldin cat 5e stuff. I bought a roll and found it difficult to work with when it came to making patch cables. The crap they sell at the Home Depot is just fine and works good even for gigabit.

    These are good ways to conceal cable and do it the same way an electrical contractor would. Some of you might be a little nervous knocking a hole on a wall or ripping up floor boards but if you want to do it yourself and save big bucks you certainly can. I have personally ran over 500ft of cat5 in my home to 10 different computers in 5 different rooms in my home. And if you ever saw the work you would think a contractor did it.

  32. Re:Cat 5e vrs. Cat 6 by TrackDaddy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The replies to your question have all been very lucid and concise. However, none of them has come out and said what they really mean. Please allow me to drive the point home.

    Whenever you are doing a large capital project (and yes, when the money is coming out of my bank account, a home network is a large capital project) you sometimes spend more money up-front to save money in the long-run. Cable is cheap compared to labor and the other associated costs of installing it. So you pull a higher grade than you need. In fact, in larger installations, you sometimes pull more than you need as well. Then if you have a cable failure, between a couple of buildings for example, you simply abandon the old cable and energize one of the spares. As another poster pointed out, it's about seeing "the big picture". Hope this helps.

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  33. Re:Cat5 Cabling Woes (2 pair vs 4 pair) by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Informative

    Depends on what network standard yuo are using and over what length and under what conditions. For example, you can hook 10tx over 4 straight, untwised wires over a couple feet with no trouble. You can not do the same for 1000tx over a long distance with teh same cable conditions.

    Also you can exceed specs and have things work sometimes. 100metres is teh spec, but I've seen it exceeded. However when you jury righ stuff, like doing to signals over 1 wire, youa re asking for problems. Expect more collisions, jabbers and general errors, or perhasp for it to not work at all.

    The specs do happen for a reason.

  34. CAT-3 works fine for fast ethernet by Lost+Race · · Score: 2, Interesting
    At least, it does for me. 2 pairs is all it takes. I'm measuring 93 million bits per second right now over a TCP stream from this workstation to the server in the basement, about 25 meters of wiring away. I have 2 spare phone lines inside the house, each a CAT-3 twisted pair; the two together form a single 100TX connection. Have to be very careful to hook up the wires to the jacks in the right order! Also, I have a 100TX switch at every junction (wall plate) acting as a repeater to keep the signal strong -- multiple splices seemed to degrade the signal enough that the wires would only carry 10 Mbps. I used the cheapest low-power switches I could find two years ago, Linksys EZXS55W, and there doesn't seem to be any extra overhead going through 5 of them (0.2 ms ping times).

    Naturally this wiring will be no good whatsoever for gigabit and higher speeds.... If I ever want to upgrade from 100 megabit I'll have to rewire the house.

    (For the skeptics: yes, you really only need four wires (two pairs) for 100 Mbps fast ethernet. Eight-wire cables are a big fat waste of copper!)

    I've also set up a similar 100 Mbps LAN over CAT-3 at a friend's house and it works fine for him too.

  35. A number of Good Points by SeverianDragon · · Score: 3, Insightful
    in the article should be addressed.

    First: Choice of plate terminators, angled is good! THG said it, they keep out dust, and in a home with kids this is a very good thing.

    Second: finding cable runs is a very good thing. You can't go wrong if you choose where your cable is going very carefully. Just think, that 50' length of expensive Cat6 you just cut won't reach to the one place you need it, like the office upstairs where your Significant Other wants to place his/her computer because he/she likes the view. Also, stringing cable outside means that you could be letting in bugs (ants, termites, wasps and bees come to mind, all of which are detrimental to any home owner) and rodents (mice can easilly tear open a hole if they get a handhold).

    Third: Neatness factor was a plus. Those nifty cable loops that they used to string the cable around the basement means no holes. Not boring holes in load-bearing joists and studs can save your bum if you are moving in say... a grand piano and your movers drop it right on that critical spot.

    Mentioning some of the hardware used: great! I like seeing hardware mentioned. This means I can go out and look up honest-to-god reviews of it elsewhere if all the information isn't available on the first review I check. Also, pointing out the cable tester they used was important. When/if I decide to wire my own home I'll deffinitely look for a similar tool.

    Cable versus DSL et al: another good point, find out who supplies what in your area and can you use it? Also, how much does it cost? Personally I would not have opted for DirecTV and just gone with cable all-around. But that was his choice.

    I agree, overall this review could have used alot more meat in the "why'd we choose this bit of kit over that." department. However, as we all know the internet has an almost unlimited supply of information on any topic, just go look it up!

    However, consulting with a contractor can be a very useful tool, even if you decide not to use the services of that contractor, they can provide you with useful information free of charge! If we all could do spot-on wiring of our houses the first time through we wouldn't need contractors for anything. On top of that, if you all missed it, the article mentioned that the writer and his family were prepairing to move in to a new home. As anyone who has moved in to a new home, and supervised its construction, knows that getting other people to do grunt work is a good thing.

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  36. Re:Are you seriously arguing against plenum in hom by Zathrus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you were going to build a house for yourself with network cable in the walls, why would you use something that burns readily and creates loads of toxic smoke?

    If your network cable is burning, you already have far bigger problems on your hands. You realize that most insulation will burn as well, not to mention the drywall and wood that your house is essentially built out of. Yeah, it's all firetreated, but when it does burn it gives off far more noxious smoke than cat5 will.

    Your original statement is still wrong - there is no requirement for plenum cable in residences. There's no need either, unless you're running it through HVAC ducts (which is an entirely separate violation of residential building codes in the first place).

  37. Renovate by Alioth · · Score: 2, Informative

    The best time to do it is of course when you have major work to do on the house. Mine needed major repairs, so I stripped it down to the bare stone and replaced the interior walls, too.
    At that time, I put in the cabling. It all goes to a patch-panel in my under the stairs 'wiring closet'.

  38. Aren't all articles from THG by hughk · · Score: 2, Interesting
    paid advertorials???

    Seriously, I agree, why get a contractor and why write an article about it. I use contractors at work, but every metre of Cat-5 at home is mine.

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  39. Holes in wall by BinBoy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wish I'd read this before I attempted - now I have a few (ok, 8) unsightly holes in my wall.

    Worst of all, it was a wireless network. *rimshot* Thank you. You've been a great crowd.

  40. Airport Base Station - Top 10 why to say 'yes' by djupedal · · Score: 2, Funny
    ...means never having to say you're sorry.

    Top 10 statements, if you use a wireless Airport network, you will not prefacing with "I'm sorry for...":
    1. Another hole in the wall/floor/ceiling
    2. Another unused/unneeded hole in the wall/floor/ceiling
    3. Another spool of cable you may or not use...ever.
    4. Another 6 hours of the network being offline each time 1 & 2 come around.
    5. Another 2 hours of testing to find out if the problem is with the new cable or the router config (each time 1 & 2 come around)
    6. Failing to understand the difference between CAT5 and CAT 6 while standing in the aisle at Home Networks Depot.
    7. Failing to remember to buy 10/100 ethernet hubs (instead of just those cheap 10mbs hubs that still lurk on the shelf).
    8. Failing to properly count and total all existing computers in the home (did you tell me you wanted one in the laundry room too?)
    9. Damn it! When did we buy another PlayStation???
    10. Damn it all to hell! When did they start putting ethernet ports on (insert favorite consumer product here...TV; MP3 player; xyz set-top box; baby monitor; door bell; burgler alarm)
  41. I have a home network... by Large+Green+Mallard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Installed in mid 2001 in Australia. At that time, the cost of getting 9 x ethernet ports, 10 x telephone outlets between two lines, TV cable to 4 extra locations and changing existing crappy 600-series telephone sockets to RJ-11 was cheaper than buying wireless bridging gear for the three main computers I had at that time.

    Plus I got 100mbit ethernet instead of 11mbit wireless, and it meant that in the future I was able to add a networked printer in another room without having to buy yet more wireless gear.

    While I'm more than capable of doing the wiring myself (I have done in many north american homes), in Australia many homes, such as mine, are all brick, instead of stud and dry-wall. This makes installing the points a significantly difficult task, so for A$1400 all up (US$700 at the time), I think I got out of it pretty well. This also included a 8 port switch and signal amp for the TV signal.

    I don't trust wireless security to the point of wanting my own access point, thanks muchly. I can put it in my insecure DMZ, but someone might use my bandwidth and monthly data allowance, which just costs me more :P And I don't feel like implementing 802.1X/LEAP/VPNs at home either.

  42. Wireless? by ONU+CS+Geek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've read the comments and I hear people saying, "Use Wireless, it's less hassle," as well as networking horror stories.

    Well, I've got about both. My first day on the job as a High-Speed Cable installer, I ran my drill through a power main. Knocked me on my ass, and I had to buy a new drill and pay to have the customers house re-wired. Not a fun experience. What did I learn? Look on both sides of the walls, and always ask the customer if they'd like their jack there.

    In my 'house,' Each 'Data box' has 2 Cat5E, a fiber, 2 2-line phone jacks, and 2 Coax. I use this so I can provide a secure/DMZ, have the ability to upgrade, as well as send signals (e.g., videocams) to other devices in my house. The only reason that I use wireless is so I can use the occassional Free Access point that's floating about, and war-driving. My WAP in my house is on, however, it's on a seperate vlan, and no one really uses it.

    Stay away from wireless--sure it's easy, but, do you really want your data out there for the world to see? For the effort that you use to run your wire and make sure the job is done right (e.g., use Mini-Com's from Panduit, make sure they're snapped down all the way, and make sure you've punched down everything/terminated your fiber right), you'll have the satisification that you've done a job right, and that your data is safe and secure.

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    1. Re:Wireless? by MrMickS · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I have both wired and wireless networks in my house. They serve different purposes.

      The wired network connects all of my servers together and allows me fast networking when I need it.

      The wireless network allows me to check my email from the sofa or the garden or anywhere else I'm comfortable. Yes there is a chance that someone may see the packets on my network but I'm a) not that parnoid and b) aren't prepared to give up the convience of wireless.

      In short: wireless for ease of use, wired for speed.

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  43. Home Networking by maroberts · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I did mine (a small 3 bedroomed detached house in England) all by myself.

    I was fortunate in the fact my walls are of plasterboard construction so I had no problems running cable down them, except between floors. I put a switch and a wireless router in the attic.

    What did I learn?
    a) If doing it again I would use some conduit pipe to make rewiring easier. However I did put 4 CAT5 ports in each room, which is enough for any small house!

    b) buy a big roll of cable and make your own cables - its much cheaper that way.

    c) Plan and check before you knock holes in walls

    d) I'm a good network installer but a terrible plasterer, put any holes in walls where they'll be most hidden

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  44. Re:Cat 5e vrs. Cat 6 by biglig2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is for example, not unknown when doing big copper wiring jobs in business to put dark fibre in at the same time, because it's the laying of the cables that is expensive, not the cable itself.

    Say it costs you $500 to lay the copper. If you lay fibre as well it comes out at say $600. If you don't lay fibre, and three years later realise you need it after all, then the final cost will be $1100.

    So you have a $100 bet with yourself that you will need fibre later. If you don't, you loose $100. If you do, you win $500. Now, considering how geeky you are to be thinking about this at all, what are the odds like?

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  45. Re:Attn. UK /.'ers by The_Spud · · Score: 2, Informative

    They do a kit for about £30 that includes 50m of cat 5e, four boxes with double socket wallplates and four keystone jacks and tools. Just installed a network in my new house with this. Much neater than the old coax cable spagetti that I used to have. You can buy extra keystones but there are about £2.50 each which is a bit pricy.

  46. Airport Base Station - Top 10 why to say 'no' by rugger · · Score: 3, Funny
    Top 10 statements, if you were not to use a wireless Airport network, you will not be prefacing with "I'm sorry for.."

    1. the network not working in your favourite place due to interference.
    2. paying multiple times the cost of a wired network.
    3. the network being as slow as mollass.
    4. having to buy yet another ethernet to wireless converter.
    5. for the neighbours and passersby hacking into the network.
    6. buying a wireless transeiver that was not powerful enough.
    7. using the microwave and making the network crawl.
    8. the network being hub based, making it even slower.
    9. supporting apple's overpriced products.
    10. attempting to justify my poor networking decisions on slashdot.org!!
  47. What REAL Real Men Do by nzyank · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't fuck around. Need a hole? Use a sledgehammer. Fast, makes a nice, neat hole that's big enough for about 115 Cat5 cables. None of this sissy shit like wireless and threading little bitty cables through little bitty holes and fastening the ends on only AFTER threading the cables.

    Worried about the landlord? Screw that! If you can afford more than one computer then you can afford to lose the security deposit.

    Oh... and then do what I did. Move to New Zealand. Mwahhahahahaha

  48. Re:Cat 5e vrs. Cat 6 by Mostly+Harmless · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cat 5e is more durable than cat 6? What, exactly, do you mean by this? In the long haul, a Cat 6 solution is cheaper. "'The benefits of category 6 vs. category 5e are eye-opening,' says Brian Celella, a lead electrical engineer for The Siemon Company and an active member of the TR-42 committee. 'For small additional investment, you can have a cabling infrastructure that will deliver significantly higher bandwidth and system performance. When weighed against the time end-users wait for processing or downloads - real productivity time - a category 6 system is actually less expensive than a category 5e system.'"

    I say run cat 6. Not only do you get more performance, but with all the interference generated in the home (office, school, anywhere), you'd benefit from the tighter twists in cat 6 as opposed to cat 5e.

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  49. Every single wireless network... by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 2, Insightful

    .... is in danger of being compromised.

    To assume otherwise is irreponsible.

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  50. My Experience by don_carnage · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For what it's worth, I documented my experience wiring my home for network and phone here:

    http://spookyworld.dnsalias.com/bhjp/d/74

    Note: This article is now two years old, so technologies like wireless and gigabit ethernet were out of reach.

  51. Re:Cat 5e vrs. Cat 6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Say it costs you $500 to lay the copper. If you lay fibre as well it comes out at say $600. If you don't lay fibre, and three years later realise you need it after all, then the final cost will be $1100.

    Well, except the difference is a LOT more than that. Have you priced out fiber lately?? $500 will get you a shitload of copper, but $100 would buy you one terminated fiber patch cord (6 feet perhaps). Taking in to account bulk fiber purchases you might get 50 feet of fiber for $100. I doubt it though. Add in termination costs (it's a lot more difficult than crimping or punching down copper connections) and you're going to be spending $1100 on fiber alone and $500 for copper. Considering you'll never need the fiber, why bother?

  52. Not funny, INSIGHTFUL! by mekkab · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yep- I have CAT5 snaking from the basement up three floors. Oh sure, I've got a WAP, but thats for the laptop (so I can /. while I watch tv, or do, er, something, in the bathroom, while dumping core, uhm) my other machines need WIRES.

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  53. Sing along with me by Glonoinha · · Score: 3, Informative

    Orange / White
    Orange
    Green / White
    Blue
    Blue / White
    Green
    Brown / White
    Brown

    When you have the connector in your hand with the pins facing you, that is the order to line them up in (left to right.)

    I am not saying it is the only way to do it, but it is the only way I do it.

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  54. I would love an article... by chrysrobyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would love an article that deserved the title "Building A (Serious) Home Network From Scratch". This isn't it.

    I want to see how to open my wall with the least destruction. How to snake it up to the attic. How to snake it up to the plywood under the carpet in the second floor. Then, how to patch drywall.

    I want to see how to effectively route wires from all over the house to a punchdown block in a closet. I don't need to see ethernet cable connectors every step of the way, we're talking about a serious network. PUNCH DOWN BLOCKS! There is, of course, a discussion of conduit. People who have done it and found a need, along with a few sentences about people who have spent (how long does it take?) a few hours to do it and found it to be a waste of time. Eventually, because it's only a Home Network, we probably just go with wires and no conduit, but we've at least thought about conduit and feel better for it.

    This Serious Home Network probably also has jacks to tie in the neighbors for bandwidth sharing or LAN gaming, or possibly some other fancy stuff, but we're not wasting our page views on how to cut down a rack. We can figure that stuff out.

    1. Re:I would love an article... by ediron2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My background happens to hit all of these 'physical' issues just right: I've done construction, construction management (a great excuse to watch EVERY trade for a few hours at a time to learn from their decades of hands-on experience), and more computer/network programming and infosec work than the others combined. I've done commercial retrofits of a building for electrical code, including bending a few thousand feet of conduit.

      So, at home I've done a hybrid of everything mentioned in this thread. While I'm sure there are better ways on a lot of these pointers, my ways worked and didn't even leave me in trouble with the wife or heckled by appearance-attentive friends. Incidentally, all this is geared toward appearance/resale asthetics.

      Graceful holes in sheetrock:

      1 - Never use a hammer for drywall unless you're doing demolition. There's a skinny tapered saw made for small cuts in drywall. That's the best $5-15 you'll ever spend.
      2 - Save the square you cut out of the wall. The alternative (cutting a new piece of drywall) takes forever. If the square is more than a few inches on a side, use short lengths of 2" x 1/4" wood (what I've always called lath) and screws to reattach this piece (the lath hides under the sheetrock, inside the wall... attach lath across the gap, then lay the piece in and attach it to the lath) before going to work with joint compound (sheetrocker's mud) for your patch.
      3 - Too little mud is better than too much. Plan on 3 or so layers to get done. After the mud is firm (an hour, less for quickdry (a special mud)) use a broad blade (5" to 8") to knock down the high spots, a cheese-grater or coarse sandpaper to further feather it down, and then let it dry. Fill/sand/fill/sand until the surface feels flat and looks good. Find a pro and watch 'em work, if your technique sucks. It isn't rocket science, it isn't art, but it isn't trivial. But the raw materials are cheap enough you could create a test-wall and practice until you understood how to hide seams, etc. Oh, and most contractors thin the mud a titch with water and never use mud with lumps. Again, it's cheap... toss and start over with new mud.

      Pick your battles:

      Where I thought I wanted the soho switch for my network to be just wasn't as practical as where I put it, when I realized how many nasty wire-pulls I faced. It bugs me that I can't glance at net status LED's from my office, but the six times per year it matters I figure were worth not running all the wires back to that. Besides, I need the exercise.

      I carefully placed my network connections. Wire's cheap (so go the long way if easier), and some rooms tolerate exposed wire (a garage, the laundry room, along the baseboard in closets). Further, a single 12" x 12" hole in one closet wall allowed me room to do a vertical drill-hole downward into the garage, then drag wire up and put a lead out into that closet and onto an ideal spot in the adjacent room. That way if I didn't like my sheetrock repairs, they were in a seldom-seen place.

      There were a few spots that I felt would be cool locations to have a spigot to just surf... dining table, the patio, and a living room. All three were never going to allow an easy connection, so I've got a wireless AP. But where broadband matters (for my ReplayTV, my work PC's and a file sharing/media PC), switched cat-5 was worth the effort.

      As for Wireless vulnerabilities: To secure 11b to an acceptable level, I have WEP turned on, defaults changed, and I change the WEP key every few weeks. Since my reading of the WEP vulnerabilities seems to point toward a need for nearly a gig of passive data capture, I figure I've got things adequately secured for my personal data. I would not recommend this for a corporate setting, but for home office use, I'm more secure than 90% of users. Just because I do infosec, I also configured firewalls to put the wireless PC's into a very narrow DMZ of their own. They can surf, and they can print. Frankly, most people's knowledge of in

  55. I know what u mean by XSforMe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1 Gb Ethernet, Cat 6 cabling, 19 inch rack? I know big corporations whose network is put to shame by this setup.

    Still, I would be looking for something more in the "ideal" home network, such as a POTS to IP-telephony gateway, and a cable/air TV - video server gateway. Why waste effort cabling an ugly coax and telephone cable when everything could run on top of the ether? This would also simplify the plate setup as his contracter suggested. I know that IP telephones are still expensive, but as I see it, money is not an issue in this setup.

    Another point, I hope he OWNS this house. Can you imagine his landlord saying "well, I don't think I'll renew your contract next year."... GGHHHAAAAAA!!!!

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  56. Sunny, Bankrupt California by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 2, Funny
    We don't have a lot of basements here, but we do have crawl spaces. Better than a slab, I guess.

    I spent hours shuffling around and lying in that tiny space, hooking up cable and tacking it to the structure. The payoff was that the only holes inside the house were for the wall jack. I came up inside the walls from underneath.

    I got to know the wildlife down there very well (there's less than you might imagine). I still trade emails with some Black Widows I met.

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