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The Red Queen
After laying our souls (and chromosomes!) bare in Genome, Ridley swiftly moves on to a topic that is variously fascinating and taboo: Sex. Every Slashdot user it seems wants more information about it. Ridley immediately tackles the Paradox of Sex: In an asexual organism, every individual of the species can create offspring. In sexual creatures (like people!), only the female can produce young. What's so great about sex then, that overcomes this obvious numerical handicap? In eleven brisk chapters, Ridley unravels the riddles with examples of how and why other species Do It (or Don't It), and what it all means.
Topics explored (though not claimed to be definitively explained) include mitochondrial DNA, dowries, the genetic foundations of harems, how males of a species could develop flagrant 'handicaps' like bright coloration or songs, monogamy, polygamy, adultery and a small species of New Zealand snail that suffers from a parasite named (I'm not making this up) Microphallus. One of the most compelling concepts is that a species' strongest competitor (and driving force behind their evolution) is their own kind, not their foes. In the end it is this argument, called The Red Queen (after a Lewis Carrol character that runs quickly but never gets ahead) that explains so much of our evolutionary hodgepodge of DNA and instinctive behaviour.
Around the world The Red Queen hustles, dissecting the environmental clues given by the mating rituals and biology of various species, asexual, sexual, heterosexual, hermaphroditic and otherwise, comparing them to Homo Sapiens, "the sexiest primate alive" (except for bonobos). As for humans, Ridley divulges how walking upright and our large brains are connected to our comparatively slow maturation, long lifespan and lack of hair. Always in the background is the unquestionable tenet: No one is descended from a celibate organism.
Ridley daringly takes on feminism and gender equality by pointing out that males and females DO differ genetically (duh!) and that in other species the effect of this difference is quite marked. Rather than degenerating into a misogynistic orgy of gender-bashing, he exposes the reasons why (among other differences) men might actually be better at reading maps and women might be more social. Both genders have to get along in order to continue the species, so understanding our differences may be a boon to all. While in the mood for controversy, Ridley delves into the reasons for the genetic-confounding phenomena of homosexuality in a species.
You don't need to have read Genome to read Red Queen, but if you have, you might find all of the puzzles fitting together into an even bigger picture, to be further sketched out in The Origins of Virtue and Nature Via Nurture. This book is not illustrated and probably won't help you get a date next weekend, but it might explain why you're instinctively attracted to those three young blondes at the bar. And why they're all more interested in the cinderblock quarterback of the football team. And despite what my inbox tells me, it has nothing to do with the size of a certain part of your anatomy, but rather the size of ... well, go read the book.
Table of Contents
- Human Nature
- The Enigma
- The Power of Parasites
- Genetic Mutiny and Gender
- The Peacock's Tale
- Polygamy and the Nature of Men
- Monogamy and the Nature of Women
- Sexing the Mind
- The Uses of Beauty
- The Intellectual Chess Game
- The Self-Domesticated Ape
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What's so great about sex then, that overcomes this obvious numerical handicap?
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If you don't know, you're probably too young for me to explain it to you!
My journal has hot
... of a first post?
(or as little $9.99 used) The Red Queen.
If you want us to buy the book, then try to find a better deal than BN's standard 10% off.
YOU FAIL IT!!!
And the people on slashdot care about the subject matter because...?
Every Slashdot user it seems wants more information about it.
Karma: Food Fight (Mostly affected by Date Plate).
Summary: Why sex is the reason humans are at the top of the food chain.
and this applies to slashdot readers _how_ exactly?
If Evolution is true, marriage (1 Man/1 Woman) is a result of natural selection and therefore is right and good.
If Creation is true marriage (1 Man/1 Woman) is from God and therefore is right and good.
QED Marriage (1 Man/1 Woman) is right and good wherever we came from.
Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
The review forgot to mention if this book was typeset in TeX. Does anybody know?
The next evolution will be to remove the division between sexes. Genes can still be mixed with only one sex (for example, you can see how two women can have kids). This is big, very big--will lead to huge changes in intelligent life as we know it.
-Libertarian secular transhumanist
... will this run on Linux?
As the tragedy of Gov. Gray Davis advances toward an embarrassing recall, threads common to the entire Democratic Party are finally receiving some attention. The party that never has to say it's sorry is now a sorry lot.
In California at least, voter outrage over what the politicians have done to them surges. And with calculating indifference, Democrats project calm blamelessness.
Imagine the shock when they wake up one morning and discover that the cover the liberal media have been running for them for so long no longer keeps the rain out.
Discomforting enlightenment and more accurate terms to describe their conduct reveal a party without an ethical compass, hell bent on passing laws contrary to the public consensus, apparently driven to rewrite history, societal norms and cultural conventions and, until now, getting away with it.
That's changing. And we are all the beneficiaries.
If the term fits, it should be used. No favorites. No games. Gray Davis and the radical Democrats in Sacramento are liberal fascists who have been abusing their authority, pushing unpopular policies while recklessly ignoring the state's financial catastrophe, almost begging it to happen.
Even now, as if in the throes of a catatonic mental disorder, they deny reality, continuing to push legislation that will make the budget crisis worse.
Davis' response has been equally insolent. He has castigated the press, meeting with them personally, demanding they write stories that defend his mindless pursuit of increased taxes. He has launched a counterplot "anti-recall" crusade designed to destroy the efforts of thousands of voters diligently gathering signatures to ensure the recall question hits the ballot.
His better judgment knows the public is correct: He has to go. Yet he angrily fights reality. And that's the point. Davis and the Democrats are here to leave an ugly, confrontational scar on the body public while scoffing at critics who "don't know what they're talking about." At times one wonders if we are all on the same planet.
Let's establish two points before we start. I have no personal reason to write columns that discredit Gray Davis. In fact I met him in 1989. He seemed like a nice enough guy, coming across as gravely earnest.
The object here is to demonstrate how his strategic endorsement of fascistic liberalism emanating from the capital's Democrat-ruled juggernaut has been so damaging to the Golden State, while destroying his political career.
Dupes in the Press and Other Tactics
To the disbelieving or uninformed, dashing though life, taxes, work, kids and baseball practice and relying solely on California newspapers for the facts required to form an educated opinion: A false picture is being delivered to your doorsteps in the morning.
The state's papers share two common traits: paranoia and intimidation.
Paranoia in that they fear the repercussions (and accusations) should full disclosure over who is paying for state services, and who is not, be revealed.
And they are intimidated by belligerent and aggressive "activist" lawyers, gay rights crusaders and immigrant defenders, all at the ready to misapply the law to extract blood and money from anyone who dares to challenge their sacred cows. Compromise is not an option, atonement out of the question.
Overwhelming California majorities have voted that only English be taught in schools (Prop 227), they are against discrimination on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin (Prop 209), they are for marriage defined as that between a man and a woman (Prop 22), and they strongly disagree with providing social services, publicly funded health care and a free education to illegal immigrants (Prop 187).
Excluding the infrequent editorial, however, rarely can one pick up the Sacramento Bee, Los Angeles Times or Orange County Register, among others, and read a report validating the majority perspective.
In fact, the press, falling all ove
That's all, nerds!
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Just open your browser and go to your favorite porn site and you will save yourself $$$.
Just my $.02 (or slightly more in this case)
This only holds true if the object of a sexual relationship is reproduction. If the object is love and/or companionship, then any combination will do as long as both partners are willing.
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By the way, I echo the recommendation -- reading this book profoundly changed how I think about evolution and genetics. The only comparably assumption-shattering biology book I can think of is Stephen Jay Gould's Wonderful Life.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a skull.
:: So which is it? :: 1. If you try to use something in Linux and it fails, you are stupid :: because you didn't try to fix it and make it work.
:: 2. If you try to make it work and it fails at every attempt, you are
:: I find it very funny that you can't admit that software
:: :: Oftentimes, the libraries are present on your system, but the names :: may vary slightly. You could try to force the install and see if it :: works anyway with the --nodeps --force options added.
: Yes.
stupid because you are trying to use a tool that doesn't meet your
needs and your only reason for trying was to prove that it doesn't
work.
: Yes. At least we seem to understand each other.
I tried to get my digital camera working with Linux. To assume that I did it
for any other reason than to be able to use the camera with Linux makes you
an arrogant prick. But we already knew that, didn't we?
installation on Linux is a huge pain in the ass. I tried to install
Everybuddy with MSN Messenger support and had the same problems.
Failed dependencies at every step. If this system is supposed to be
good for development, why doesn't it include the libraries needed
so you don't have to waste a lot of time searching the net every
time to try to anything? This is a real problem and it will prevent
most users from attempting to replace Windows. Why can't the
programmers include the required files in the package. They could
offer a bare bones version and an all inclusive version. They
could, at a minimum, include links to required packages so you
don't have to search for them. Why don't the distros include the
common libraries needed?
: Very often they do. The problem here is that you are using pre-
compiled binaries. These expect your system configuration to be
sufficiently similar to those that they were compiled on in order to
install.
So precompiled binaries are basically useless unless it was specifically
compiled for your system? Kinda forces you to compile everything yourself if
you have any hope of getting it to work. We have already established that
you can't expect the distro managers to compile every package out there for
each version they release. So it is pretty much up to the end user to learn
to compile software, find the source for the package they want and waste
time getting a functioning system. What we are saying is you are pretty much
stuck with whatever came with your distro if you aren't willing to learn to
compile programs and search the net for missing files.
Brilliant suggestion. NOT!
: Many times, the issue is simply a matter of you having libfoo.so.1
: and the binary is looking for libfoo.so.2. Both of these are just
: links to libfoo.so, and so you can merely create the link and viola!
: Problem solved.
: Another option is to simply download the source for the app and just
: compile it specifically for your system. This way the dependancies
: are resolved according to your specific configuration and you get
: the benefit of added performance.
: There have been many times that I've attempted to install a binary
: and it complained about failed dependancies; but when compiling and
: installing the source for the exact same application on the exact
: same system, it went through without a hitch.
And you guys like to bitch and whine about DLL's under Windows? Failed
dependencies is pretty much a given when trying to install something on a
Linux system. I have rarely had a problem with DLL's, especially now that XP
supports multiple versions.
: Of course, you have no desire to actually resolve issues like Pete
: Goodwin, you just want to be able to bitch about them.
Rappy, you are so full of shit. Linux has some significant problems
associated with failed dependencies and di
This book sounds pretty interesting. I wonder if it delves into human pornography, and the fact that humans (and other animals) get excited by looking at pictures of a member of the opposite sex.
Desmond Morris has a series on TLC called The Human Animal in which he describes in termendous detail how and why humans have sex. There's even a nipple in the show! Beyond the perversion of watching it simply because it talks about sex, its really interesting.
http://github.com/gbook/nidb
Sex. Every Slashdot user it seems wants more information about it. Thus the reason for so many p0rn comments!
15 new sex positions that will make him beg for more! Seriously though- this sounds quite interesting, maybe Cosmo and Redbook can learn something...
You never know, you know.
...so that when I read "In an asexual organism I don't leave out an "ni", then procede to try to perform one myself.
males and females DO differ genetically
It has been noted that the difference between the XX and XY chromosomes in the human males and females amounts to about 3% of genetic material.
Note also that in general the human species only differs about 3% from chimpanzies.
From this some have inferred that a human male is more similar to a male chimpanzee than to a human female.
Amazon has it for almost 25% less than bn!
Any girl like sex there? I need girl like sex!
It has enough sex talk in it to satisfy your prurient interests. Not the gross squshy kind, but the clean, technical sex that will hit /.ers right in the honeypot.
Ooh baby... you extended my phenotype!
One of the most compelling concepts is that a species' strongest competitor (and driving force behind their evolution) is their own kind, not their foes
This reminded me of the Matrix when Agent Smith says the only other organism on Earth like us are virii. When you think about it, it's mostly true- we move from place to place using up all the natural resources (oil, trees, etc) until there is nothing left, then move on. We ARE our biggest competitors because we are destroying our home.
I wonder what Earth will look like in 50-100 years?
You never know, you know.
The Red Queen - named after a theory which is itself named for the 'Alice' character, who must run as fast as she can simply to keep pace with the world around her - fascinated from beginning to end. Looking at the evolution of sex, it is filled with intriguing facts, remarkable examples, and frequently alarming revelations. From why the peacock has that remarkable tail (it's probably to do with sexy sons) to why polygamy benefits females rather than males, the book is a real eye-opener. Once you've learned the secret of the lek, the local disco will never seem the same again. And, given that a man's testicular size is evidence that neither he nor his partner evolved for true monogamy, you may not find this book terribly reassuring. Polygyny, polyandry, incest, infanticide, and group-bonking bonobos: it may leave you thinking that, in comparison to even some of our closest relatives, we humans have very conservative sex lives indeed. And we may only have started doing it at all so that we don't fall prey to parasites! A great read, and real incentive to read anything else available by Matt Ridley.
There is no god
There's an interesting video interview with Matt Ridley where he talks about his latest book 'Nature via Nurture' on edge.org http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/ridley03/ridley_in dex.html
Is this where the "Red Queen" in resident evil got her name?
C:\earth\humans\del *.m0ronz
In sexual creatures (like people!)
Whoa, slow down there cowboy!
//Red Queen Reference from Resident Evil//
/mod_up
Just a side note, the red queen was added in the movie and is not featured in the PS or GC consoles.
What about grasshoppers/locusts? They HAVE to keep moving because they CONSUME everything, including each other. Another example: Army Ants. The keep moving, consuming everything, building bridges with the sacrificial bodies of the workers.
I haven't seen any so-called environmental protection groups formed by the Locusts or Army Ants, or any virus for that matter.
Further, humans do not use all the resources in an area and move on. Can you, or anyone, name even one example within even the recent 50 years? Places like Chernobyl don't count, either: it was contaminated, not used up, and people still live their, albeit not my choice place to live.
My company is involved in mineral exploration and development. Even in places that once were considered depleted or 'mined out', we have sucessfully found resources. We have also found them in places overlooked or written off, due to our superior science. And we reclaim the land when we are finished, creating habitats for animals and people. That is a resource as well.
Resist the fundraising hysteria and propangda shoveled out by the corporate Green organizations and their army of regurgitators, and learn the facts for yourself.
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While biology and science in general could absolutely use more popularizing treatments, Ridley often uses established studies to back up his own highly speculative views. Yes, men and women are different. Ridley says, "men like maps and women like novels." Um, okay. He really shines in _Genome_ when he uses aspects of certain genes to explore the history of genetic research (omitting poor Rosalind, sadly enough) but too often falls into naval-gazing. He rails against women who chose to have abortions when they find out that their children have Down syndrome. He further speculates on labor division in our ancestors, vegetarians, and the mindset of the average Chinese person.
I haven't read the _The Red Queen_, but I think I might stick to picking up Nature or Science where strong inference is still fairly unhindered by personal crusades and quips about the author's daughter squealing over baby dolls.
i'm really not sure what to make of your sig
Know what I like about atheists? I've yet to meet one that believes God is on their side.
You have to keep in mind that fitness is not just 'fitness of me' but 'fitness of my genes.' Insofar as your genes are identical to another person's, it will serve exactly as well for you to help spread THEIR genes as it will to help spread YOUR genes. This is why worker bees make evolutionary sense - when the queen has babies, so do they.
It may, of course, also be that whatever machinery we evolved also happens to yield homosexuality fairly consistently.
In neither case is anything implied about the morality, 'naturalness' or anything else of homosexuality.
Bonobos are very bisexual, have sex frequently (VERY frequently--several times a day) mostly just for pleasure, females run the show, female-female sex is very common, and men must beg or earn sexual pleasure from the females.
They are the closest animals to humans (genetically speaking) walk upright fairly often, similar size, etc.
Once you've studied bonobos for awhile, you start to get the feeling that about 99% of our sexual taboos are strictly cultural, developed over time as a function of the need for societal control, either to limit disease propagation or to assert power hierarchies, probably to keep a large pool of females available for the wealthy patriarchs.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
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I thought this a book about a gay Indian.
If your bitterest enemies are people who hack the heads off civilians, then I would say you're doing something right.
...i'll bet his wife never bought the "polygamy is natural" argument, either...
In sexual creatures (like people!), only the female can produce young.
Really? I thought females needed a little thing like SPERM to produce spawn...
This is the real signature
(Beats those shadows on the cave wall, don't it?)
this is a great book. especially interesting is the part about how women choose mates. it talks about how a survey in the UK revealed that women with extra-marital affairs are actually more likely to conceive on the days they sleep with their lovers.
basically, women choose a husband based on his abilities as a provider. but they frequently choose a sex partner based on his physical attributes. the idea is that their offspring will have great physical attributes, but will be raised (unwittingly) by the nice-guy, caretaker husband. doesn't make as much sense now with paternity testing, but interesting nonetheless.
another cool part is how ridley explains the promiscuous history of men. the idea that men lust after hordes of young (even underage) women is frowned upon by society, but makes perfect evolutionary sense considering the males' goals-- he is looking to fertilize as many women as possible, preferrably young women who are at the height of their fertility.
I think everyone should read this book. the insight into human relationships is immense.
At this stage in the genetics debate, anybody who thinks our behaviours are culturally based i.e. nurture rather that nature, needs to go back and study basic evolutionary psychology again. Our brains are built by our genes, we are monogamous with promiscous tendencies because that is how natural selection has wired our brains.
No, you'd have to directly inject the genes of one egg into another--insemination is just a turkey baster. What happens in the books? I think earthworms are the best example of what I'm talking about today. They have both male and female organs, and just trade.
-Libertarian secular transhumanist
It's the division. You can have something like earthworms where they fuck each other and both have kids.
-Libertarian secular transhumanist
Finally, a strategy guide for Sim-Ant!
Bonobos are probably the most sexual primates. They use sex the same way we shake hands. Females practice "GG (genital-to-genital) rubbing" with each other as way of strengthing interpersonal bonds (they have *enlarged* equipment). Also, they are the only other primates (i think) besides humans that practice face-to-face sex on a somewhat consistent basis.
Unfortunately, their native habitat is being destroyed and they are endangered. The parent post is totally correct in saying they are very close to us genetically; and we've still got a long ways to go until we are like them sexually:) here's an interesting link.
The problem with both Dawkins and Riley is that they don't account for the validity of intermingling the levels of analysis. Not doing so is a failure of scientific methodology. The social dimension of human behaviour is not isolatable simply by observing other species or genetic behaviour without further explanation. You can argue for 'selfish' behaviour on the genetic level, but that doesn't link it to 'selfish' behaviour on the human level without further explanation.
I'll bite -- what's his theory?
AFAIK, the evolutionary origin of bipedalism is a completely unsolved problem. There have been various theories, but none of them really hold water. A popular idea for a long time was that it allowed us to have our hands free for tool use, but now we know that bipedalism evolved a million years before big brains and tool use. (Australopithecus was basically a human from the neck down, a chimp from the neck up.) It can't be explained by the ability to get your eyes high off the ground and see far away, because chimps and gorillas can stand up too when they want to look around. It's probably not efficient locomotion, because the most efficient walkers and runners are quadrupeds like dogs and horses. (There were some experiments that purported to show humans walked more efficiently than chimps, but they were flawed.)
There was also a theory by Lovejoy that bipedalism was the result of sexual selection, and maybe that's what the story is referring to. The Lovejoy theory was that females were choosing who to mate with, and males, in order to get laid, were using their hands to bring tasty food as gifts to the females. The problem with this theory is that austrolapithecines had strong sexual dimorphism -- males were about 50% bigger than females. This kind of dimorphism is typical of species where the male controls a harem, defending it against other males.
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From the review: "Ridley's finely-honed technical writing style could make a treatise on the Boston White Pages intriguing and enlightening"
Was that actually meant as a compliment?!?
Somehow I doubt, rkz, that you are also Gilly Collinson from North Yorkshire who wrote this review on Amazon.co.uk over two years ago, and are just duplicating it here for the edification of us all.
Mod the parent down. Moderators, please stop smoking the crack.
this is a sig.
Apologies in advance for the yucky HTML that LaTeX2HTML produced in those days. If I can find the original source, I'll see if I can generate a usable PDF.
(And let me fix a few of the broken links in that before I hit the submit button).
Prime numbers are exactly what Alan Greenspan says they are -S. Minsky
Disease and parasites can drive populations in bad directions solely for the infection resistance that mutations causing cells to present different markers and the like can bring.
It's always a trite example, but the bad recessive disorder sickle-cell anemia confers resistance to the malaria parasite if you have inherited only one copy of the gene, but deformed blood cells that aren't as efficient if you get two copies.
Some have said it's the same sort of story with Tay-Sachs and tuberculosis, but the jury's still out on whether there's been enough time for the mutation to become that prevalent - I'm sure there will be a few re-estimations of just how fast some mutations occur and spread in future, though, so it remains within the realm of possibility.
You have to wonder what, if anything, the Black Plague might have done to us.
Or computers, for that matter :)
Binary geeks can count to 1,023 on their fingers
(a) Millions of seahorses around the world are reading this and saying "what are we, chopped liver"?
(b) Saying "only the female can produce young" is a bit moronic anyway when you were just talking about asexual reproduction, where one thing really can produce young. The whole point of sexual reproduction is that neither can produce young alone.
It is true that in most species the female body has a much more significant role as a host of the parasitic new thing that is created when the egg is fertilized.
Liberty uber alles.
Moderators, please stop smoking the crack.
And they were supposed to know *how*?
Are you asking all moderators to research the veracity of a comment before they label it "interesting"? Calm the fuck down, you anally-retentive git.