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U.S. Faults Microsoft Licensing Compliance

An anonymous reader writes "In a written report card on how well Microsoft is complying with its 2001 antitrust deal with state and federal prosecutors, Justice Department lawyers said they might need the court to force Microsoft to act more quickly." The DOJ's court filing is online if you want to wade through it.

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  1. Well, what did we expect? by gotr00t · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It comes as no suprise that Microsoft isn't even living up to an antitrust settlement that is this painless. From day 1, it looked as if they had no intention of following it through, and now, it seems as if the lawsuit was never filed at all.

    What is a second lawsuit going to produce? Another slap on the wrist? If so, I will begin to think that the judges were... easily persuaded.

    1. Re: Well, what did we expect? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Funny


      > It comes as no suprise that Microsoft isn't even living up to an antitrust settlement that is this painless. From day 1, it looked as if they had no intention of following it through, and now, it seems as if the lawsuit was never filed at all.

      At least they didn't laugh about the settlement this time around.

      At least not in public.

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    2. Re: Well, what did we expect? by 56ker · · Score: 4, Funny

      I give Microsoft a C++ (a passing grade with room for improvement). The settlement was vastly watered down by their legal team anyway....

  2. What happen.. by bsharitt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What happens if Microsoft doesn't do what they settlement says? Will they face harsher penalties?

  3. How much should we pay.. by jkrise · · Score: 4, Funny

    From the ref article:
    "One condition that caused particular outcry was Microsoft charging an upfront fee of $100,000 for rivals to examine the code to see whether they want to buy it. If they don't, they only get $50,000 back."

    So what's the fee to take one single look at the pile of crap and say " Holy crap! This costs $100,000??"

    Bride wants to marry IBM and screw Linux. Brother MS willing to pay any dowry.

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  4. The whole settlement was a joke anyway by McAddress · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If the government had really wanted to do something about Microsoft's monopoly, they would have broken it up like they did to the Bell's. Once they decided not to, it only became a question of "How much are we going to pretend to care about this?"

    Their answer as seen from the settlement, and the lack of compliance is "Not very much."

    1. Re:The whole settlement was a joke anyway by McAddress · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since the Bell breakup, prices on phone calls have dropped dramatically. Interstate calls used to cost $0.25 a minute (not adjusted for inflation). Now you can easily make them for less than $0.05 a minute.
      More phone companies have also been able to form, allowing users more choice than ever.
      Imagine where the celluar phone industry would be with only one company. Calls would cost upwards of a dollar a minute. The networks would not be so big. Cell phones would be as rare as car phones were.
      The government has an interest in controlling monopolies. Microsoft has used it's monopoly on operating systems to stifle competition. Just look back to this. Microsoft commits actions like this all of the time, but the DOJ has just turned the other way.

  5. Translation by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Translation:

    Microsoft's substantial contributions to George W. Bush's 2000 campaign fund were very helpful in getting him into the White House. Bush returned the favor by allowing Microsoft to escape unscathed from the big antitrust suit.

    Now, Mr. Bush has begun the process of raising funds for his 2004 campaign, and it's time for Microsoft to pay up again.

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    1. Re:Translation by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I doubt Microsoft contributed anywhere near as much money as the religious special interest groups have, but that doesn't seem to stop the president from trying to reach out to the homosexual vote (and pissing off said special interests in the process). What makes you think that Microsoft will have more sway over the White House than Baptists seem to have?

  6. Is being greedy a crime? by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Funny
    Michael Milken, Kenneth Lay, and Martha Stewart don't think so.

  7. The end is NEAR! by Noryungi · · Score: 5, Funny
    Brothers and sisters, consider these facts :

    • Microsoft will be forced to comply to a DOJ judgment!
    • SCO is suing IBM and actually WITHDREW AIX LICENSE!!
    • Europe is going to accept GMOs!!!
    • And, in Peoria, Ill., John Smith, 20-years-old Slashdot poster and troll extraordinaire, actually got LAID!!!!


    The time has come, repent all you sinners, for the shiny saucers of the sex goddess are coming to deliver us!

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    1. Re:The end is NEAR! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Brothers and sisters, consider these facts :

      • Microsoft will be forced to comply to a DOJ judgment!
      • SCO is suing IBM and actually WITHDREW AIX LICENSE!!
      • Europe is going to accept GMOs!!!
      • And, in Peoria, Ill., John Smith, 20-years-old Slashdot poster and troll extraordinaire, actually got LAID!!!!

      That's not all, consider also:

      • The best golfer in the world is black...
      • The most popular rapper in the world is white...
      • There was a war a few months ago, and Germany didn't want to be involved.
      These truly are strange days indeed...

  8. Re:You call this a capitalist society? by LordKaT · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The problem is that Microsoft, being as influential as it is, doesn't allow "free market" in certain enviornments. In a sense, they control the market. So, in a capitalist enviornment, it is more beneficial to have them broken up thus allowing for more competition.

    Remeber, having a monopoly is not illegal, having a monopoly and abusing your influence, such as the case of Microsoft, is illegal. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised for the courts to find that Microsoft has "pierced the corporate shield" with all of the tactics and tricks hey use.

    Then again, the republicans are in power ... ;/

    --LordKaT

  9. RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Microsoft is mostly following through with its settlement with the federal government. They've elected to withhold TWO APIs, and they're moving the "Set Program Access and Defaults" desktop icon to a permanent location in the start menu.

    Of course you would know all this if you had READ THE DOJ'S PAPER

    1. Re:RTFA by Troed · · Score: 5, Interesting

      On the other hand, on my XP laptop - even after having used "set program access and defaults" - the only way I could get bsplayer to view .avis was to each and every time select "open with". No matter the settings for filetypes - XP would _always_ launch windows media player.

      I had to use "set program.." to specifically say NEVER to use windows media player to get it to work - and yet the icons are still wrong.

      I'm quite sure it's not a bug - it's a Microsoft feature.

    2. Re:RTFA by Adam_Weishaupt · · Score: 5, Funny

      Microsoft is mostly following through with its settlement with the federal government.

      So I guess that means Microsoft won't mind if I MOSTLY comply with thier EULA for Windows XP.

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    3. Re:RTFA by Trepalium · · Score: 5, Informative
      Microsoft in their INFINITE WISDOM added a feature to Windows XP. Certain types, particularly those that play with Windows Media Player, or are viewable by Internet Explorer have a REG_SZ value on the association named LegacyDisable. If it exists, XP decides that it's smarter than the application that decided to take over the file type association, and silently ignores it. Only if the application is designed to use the XP method of associating with files will it be allowed to change them (or if it deletes those registry values).

      I have no idea why Microsoft did this, but it effectively makes it so that certain programs seem to cease operating when you upgrade to XP. For the AVI files you mentioned, the value to delete would be HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\AVIFile\shell\open\LegacyDisable
      This really pissed me off the first time I used XP, and tried to reassociate the files with mplayer2.exe instead of wmplayer.exe, and the associations just wouldn't take. Didn't matter if I did it manually, or used mplayer2.exe to do it, it just didn't work, until I found that value hiding in those types...

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  10. From the no-one-is-really-surprised dept by indros13 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Honestly, you would think that with so many examples of corporate misbehavior and outright illegal activity that we'd have a Justice Department with some teeth. Instead, they waste their time covering up nude statues and hounding thousands of immigrants, most of whom have done no worse than stay past their green card expiration date.
    John Ashcroft, do your fscking job!

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  11. Re:You call this a capitalist society? by sisukapalli1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    US is not a truly capitalistic country (look at social security, farm subsidies, bailing out airlines, and even bailing out obnoxious hedge funds)...

    Laissez faire ideals are things that can cause depression like the 30's. Without the government regulations, we wouldn't even have had a 40 hour week standard (even though many do way more than that).

    The ideals of capitalism won't break down if MSFT is broken up -- MSFT itself has become like a government of its own, stifling free market. Breaking up MSFT can only do good to consumers, just like the breaking up of AT&T and Standard Oil did...

    S

  12. Appeasement only buys short term security by Ridgelift · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your US government is trying to appease Microsoft. Appeasement never works. It only buys short term security. It doesn't work in diplomacy with countries, corporations or any relationship..

    Though drawing parallels between brutal dictators and Bill Gates may seem harsh, the principle is the same. If people think they're safe now from Microsoft's monopolistic practices, they've bought into a false sense of security.

  13. Yes, they get fined twice as much by cabalamat2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If Microsoft continues to fail to comply, the court will double their fine.

    Let's work it out: the original fine was $0, twice $0 is $0, so the new fine will be $0.

    I guess American justice is the best that money can buy.

  14. Reminds Me of the English Bobby Joke by Myriad · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Somehow this makes me think of the joke about English police stopping criminals without being allowed to carry guns:

    Bobby to criminal: Stop!! Or I'll say 'stop' again!!

    Except here we have:

    DOJ to MS: Comply!! Or we'll say 'comply' again!

    Sad, yes. Surprising, no.

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    1. Re:Reminds Me of the English Bobby Joke by Larsing · · Score: 5, Funny

      Except the English police will wack you senseless with their extendable batons if you don't do what they say...

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    2. Re:Reminds Me of the English Bobby Joke by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Informative

      I invite you to (any time you like) get on the wrong side of a "bobby".

      Their job is only to stop/catch unarmed (or at least, without ranged-weapons) criminals anyway. A policeman with one of the standard-issue batons is significantly better armed than joe crook with a knife...

      Any time there is a gun-toting idiot (briefly) around, the police just call in the armed-response unit (ARU). Much better-trained snipers who don't seem to care where they hit, so long as the bad-guy gets it. Similar to SWAT teams, I suppose.

      Gun crime isn't much of an issue in the UK anyway. There's a pretty-persistent rumour of a shoot-to-kill policy amongst the armed police. Perhaps that's a contributory factor :-) I think I heard of someone being shot earlier in the year around where I live (NE London). The shooter was shot dead by the police ARU. There was some criticism over the fact that he was hit by more than five bullets, which seemed overkill...

      [Note that I'm not at all opposed to the bad-guy being shot. If you play the game, you play by ALL the rules...]

      Simon.

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  15. OEM licensing by edxwelch · · Score: 5, Interesting
    According to that report MS has been completely compliant in implementing the OEM licensing terms. So why don't we see widespread availabilty of alternative OS's from the big OEMs? There is a little discaimer at the end of that paragraph that seems to say that it hasn't been implemented yet because of the need to "train" OEM sales people, but this "training" has been going on for 2 years already.

    Section III.A. prohibits Microsoft from retaliating or threatening to retaliate against an OEM because of an OEM's decision to distribute or otherwise to promote any software that competes with Microsoft Platform Software. Unlike Section III.B., which can be (and has been) implemented programmatically, compliance with Section III.A. can be achieved only through training and ongoing oversight of relevant Microsoft employees. Microsoft has conducted extensive mandatory training for its OEM Sales group personnel concerning Microsoft's obligations under the Final Judgments, with particular emphasis on Section III.A. and other OEM-related provisions. Since December 2001, Microsoft has trained its domestic OEM Sales personnel at its headquarters in Redmond, Washington, and has trained its international OEM Sales personnel at regional training sessions held in Germany, Switzerland, Mexico and Japan. Training will continue to be an ongoing process, both via live training by Microsoft lawyers and senior OEM Sales group personnel and via online training tools that Microsoft has developed for this purpose. Microsoft's licensing and antitrust lawyers work directly with OEM Division personnel to address and resolve any ongoing questions.

    1. Re:OEM licensing by quantaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Like This?

      It takes time for the OEMs to jump on board. You need to find a good distro, negotiate with the company, test it with your machines to make sure everything works properly, train your staff so they know what to do when some customer calls with problems about it, then finally decide how to market the thing! You also need to wait to make sure that MicroSoft is actually playing nice before you risk seriously screwing yourself by ticking off the supplier of the OS for every machine you sell. Remeber the story about the scorpion and the frog? If I were an OEM I would eb damm careful before messing with M$. Still as we've just seen they are coming out, it's just a matter of how long and what kind of response HP gets from both the comsumer and M$ to see if more machines come out with linux pre-installed

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  16. Re:You call this a capitalist society? by Trepalium · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Anti-trust laws were originally made because the free market usually works well, there are times when it can break down and cause harm to consumers. Competition is what the free market is all about, but when a profitable monopoly is established, they tend to bleed dry any competition, either by buying them up, or bludgeoning them to death with lawsuits.

    People would nolonger aspire to become as rich and successful as possible? Is being greedy a crime?

    Guess what? Not everyone wants to have so much money that they could never spend it within their lifetime. I have no idea how someone could ever use 40 million dollars in their lifetime, let alone 40 billion. Personally, all I need is food, clothing, shelter, and something to do with my time that I enjoy. I don't need a fast/expensive sports car, an automated do-everything house, or my own aircraft.

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  17. Shock and awe by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not only is Microsoft not complying, they are in fact way in excess of the monopoly position that they were in when they started.

    They have been busy leveraging their monopoly into new markets (cell phones and games consoles to name but two) and reverse-leveraging their new market share in these industries back into the PC market for greater lock in (Outlook integration that is closer than 3rd parties can obtain for example).

    They have been investigating hardware lock in techniques (palladium style) and trialling them on consumers (Xbox) to prepare for the next wave of monoplising efforts. They are busy fundng other companies attacking their competators (SCO). They are proping up Bush econmic policy (share dividend at an advantageous moment) in return for special consideration (legal proglems decrease).

    Lets hope to God this triggers another investigation - there is such a huge increase in their deliberatly destructive antics now that even a half blind judge would break them up.

    Except that they will prbably buy him off too.

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  18. Judges by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 5, Informative
    Judges, yes. Prosecutors, no. The department of justice is responsible for pressing the enforcement of the law. The judge decides between the two sides.

    The judges in these cases have been impartial, but the DOJ seriously backed off when the administration changed.

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  19. Microsoft is immune to their whiny court orders. by kaltkalt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Antitrust law is a good thing, but if it's not used quickly enough, a monopoly can get so big, rich, and powerful, that laws no longer apply to it. It can afford to buy its way out of any problems it may face. Microsoft is just such a monopoly. It should have been broken up around the time of Windows 3.1. But it was left alone for years after that, and now it can fart in the faces of the justice department and there's not a single thing they can do about it (other than whine to the press).

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  20. And on the 4th of July, too by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A day when we celebrate victory in a civil war that began as a protest about taxation without representation.

    Say, how much representation do your taxes buy you? Wouldn't it be neat if we could all choose to pay "campaign contributions" to buy laws and fat federal contracts, instead of paying taxes to whoever we decided was probably the least bad of two candidates?

    I'm in agreement with George W that the only way to deal with oppressive unelected regimes is to replace them forcibly. I just think we should clean house at home before building any more aircraft carriers.

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  21. It's tempting by abe+ferlman · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's tempting to say "You know a company is corrupt when even Ashcroft says so."

    But remember what part of the election cycle we're approaching before drawing too many conclusions here. This will all blow over before you can say "Judge Jackson was biased in favor of the truth."

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  22. Insightful??? by Pave+Low · · Score: 5, Informative
    Why does this garbage always get modded up on slashdot?

    If you look it up yourself, Microsoft's contributions doesn't rank anywhere near the top compared to other donors. In fact, they contribute fairly evenly to both parties.

    More mindless drivel on slashdot.

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  23. Re:You call this a capitalist society? by Bob9113 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You call this a capitalist society?

    No, I call it a corporatist society. In corporatism, the government is charged with the maintenance of power of the major corporations.

    What happened to laissez faire ideals, free market and all that.

    In a laissez faire system, there is no concept of intellectual property law. Laissez faire is based on the natural laws of scarcity. Microsoft's monopoly is based on artificial scarcity established by our corporatist government through intellectual property laws.

    Whether corporatism is the best course for our nation I will leave to other threads. I only intend herein to correct your misuse of the terms "capitalism" and "laissez faire."

  24. What's wrong with this picture? by TheZax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In other areas of the settlement, department lawyers praised Microsoft's compliance.

    This doesn't deserve praise . This means that they have met the bare minimum of what is required of them in some areas. That's like being praised for not spitting on someone.

    Not only that, the reason they were in court is because of ilegal activity in the first place.

    So, in summary, they act criminally, get caught for it, are given a minimal set of rules to redeem themselves, and they can't be bothered to do that right.

    I guess I shouldn't be surprised. But even with my low expectations of them, they still continue to amaze...

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  25. Bad Microsoft, no biscuit! by spun · · Score: 4, Funny
    Bad, naughty Microsoft, no biscuit for you. Don't make those eyes at me! Oh, your so cute, I can't stay mad at you. Here's your biscuit. Stop it! I gave you a biscuit. Oh, all right, here's another.

    ...

    Honey! The Microsoft took a crap on the rug again! Have you been feeding it biscuits?

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