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The Big Kerplop

Peter Wayner writes: "When I mentioned the Mad Scientist Club short stories to a co-worker, he rolled up his sleeve and showed me the burn scars on his arm. The books, he said, did this to him. Not literally, but by misguided inspiration. In one of the tales, the boys in the Club launch a fleet of fake flying saucers to frighten their hometown of Mamouth Falls. The scars came when the colleague tried to imitate the book, but used real gasoline to add a bit of zip to plastic cleaner bags turned UFOs. Now, that the rediscovered full-length novel about the Club, The Big Kerplop is being republished with a bit of a splash, some adults may look at stories like this and decided that there's a danger that kids might start imitating the novels. The bigger danger, though, may come if they don't." Read on for the rest of Peter's review. The Big Kerplop author Bertrand R. Brinley pages 217 publisher Purple House Press rating 9 reviewer Peter Wayner ISBN 1930900228 summary The Mad Scientists rediscovered, in greater depth -- fun reading for kids and adults.

This novel isn't really new, although it is for all practical purposes. The author, Bertrand Brinley, had much success with the collections of short stories about the seven boys who dreamed of being scientists one day. The short stories continued to stay in print and even seemed to inspire a hack Disney adaptation, but only rumors about The Big Kerplop circulated on the Internet. When the copies of The Big Kerplop would trade on Ebay, they often closed at prices in the hundreds of dollars. Free markets can't ignore messages like that and the Purple House Press purchased the rights and relaunched the books.

It's easy for a Slashdot reader to understand how the stories could command such affection. The boys in the stories live in the netherworld between capability and responsibility. (Enjoy it if you're still there.) They have ham radio sets, fishing boats, weather balloons, and plenty of other gadgets to put to use in tweaking the noses of their buffoonish elders and only a few chores to get in the way.

The books are set in the early 60's before Bhopal, Three Mile Island, and Agent Orange rained on the big Science parade. Brinley worked for Lockheed and Martin during one of the the most romantic periods in aviation history, save perhaps the early days of the Wright Brothers. The books are infused with a certainty that rational thought guided by the scientific method and salted with a bit of pluck and wit could solve any problem. I think everyone here can agree that the entire club would be open source coders today, although it's not clear if they would embrace the BSD or GPL license. It may not even be stretching things to say that groups who wrote and distributed DeCSS are working through the same themes as the Mad Scientist Club, albeit on a global scale.

The novel is prequel to the collection of short stories that tells the backstory of how the boys found each other and discovered how a firm devotion to scientific principles could be put to work showing up the grownups. As they say on Fark, hilarity ensued many times.

The earlier short stories took up only 20-30 pages apiece, but this novel stretches to more than 200 pages, making it an entirely different animal. The characters are better drawn, the scenes are set with more than a sentence or two, and the plot twists back upon itself a few times. It's a leisurely read that makes the earlier stories seem a bit cartoonish or slapstick. This sophistication is a pleasure for me to read at my technically grownup age, but it may be why the novel didn't gain the same traction as the short stories. The laughs are driven more by character and dialog than by the setting and action. The short stories are basically set pieces, but the novel is more of a study in character. That's good for anyone who grew up loving the books, but it may mean that the current crop of 8-12 year old boys should wait a year or two before diving in.

The length of the novel also gives Brinley more room to flesh out the adults and let them play more than rubes to the Mad Scientists' schemes. The town's politicians are still a bit overstuffed, but Colonel March, the commander of the local Air Force base, is hardly a foil or a nemisis. Constable Billy Dahr, though, is still around to be the goat.

I suppose I should say something about the story. The Club, or at least the early core of what would become the Club, is out fishing on Strawberry Lake when a fleet of B52s flies over. Something makes a big kerplop in the lake and the Club spends the rest of the book saving the day, defying their elders and deploying some cool gadgets and the scientific method. This is a deeper, richer and very satisfying return for the characters.

Some of these tricks could get you some scars I guess but that's not the worst future awaiting a young reader. First, chicks dig scars -- although that theorem lies well outside of the scope of this book. Second, this may be the adult in me, but kids today seem fatter, lazier, and more hogtied than ever before. Yes, these words will haunt me when my children get bigger, but I think that Brinley hits the sweet spot between obedience and irreverence. Forethought and care save the day in these books, not caprice and whim. The characters are neither insolent nor cowed by authority. The important thing to remember is that the scientific method celebrated by the books does not suggest replacing a few candles with a burning pie plate filled with gasoline. At least not without first doing a bit of research on the safest way to ensure all of the energy turns into hot air.

You can purchase The Big Kerplop from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page. Peter Wayner is the author of several dangerous and incendiary books like Disappearing Cryptography and Translucent Databases . Don't burn them without standing at a safe distance.

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  1. Why does it not surprise me. by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Funny

    It seems almost obligatory that a review of a book called The Big Kerplop would have to reference Fark?

    1. Re:Why does it not surprise me. by sharkey · · Score: 1

      I would have thought it this would be more appropriate.

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  2. Bring out that old labcoat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Back when I was a kid mad scientists meant chemistry and rockets... Oh how I aspired to be one, little did I know there wasn't that much in store for a geek ^_^

    PS-FP.

  3. Rename. by grub · · Score: 4, Funny


    "Darwin Awards Club" is more like it.

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  4. Re:No by Trigun · · Score: 1

    As opposed to Slashdot?
    Cut from the same cloth, they are.

  5. Junior Scientists and Drunken Rednecks by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Funny
    I think the only thing seperating them is their vocabulary.

    Junior Scientist: Observe as the addition of the oxidizer to the fuel causes an exothermic reaction.

    Drunken Redneck: Hey y'all! Watch this! It'll be a hoot!

    1. Re:Junior Scientists and Drunken Rednecks by ODD97 · · Score: 1

      You forgot "Hold my beer."

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  6. Hooray! by soulsteal · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's all fun and games until someone gets mutilated... or pregnant.

    Wait, this is /. No chance of pregnancy here. Whew!

    1. Re:Hooray! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Wait, this is /. No chance of pregnancy here. Whew!

      Dammit! Why didn't I know this 10 years ago when I got my GF pregnant. I could've just joined Slashdot and saved a bunch of time and money.

      Oh wait, when was Slashdot started?

    2. Re:Hooray! by Traa · · Score: 1

      Remember kids, it's all fun and games until somebody's uncle pops a ventricle.

      Then it's just fun.

    3. Re:Hooray! by Woodmeister · · Score: 1
      Or another variation...


      "It's all fun and games until someone loses and eye,... then it becomes a sport!"


      Cheers!

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  7. Oh great, I can just see it now by Mayak · · Score: 4, Funny

    10,000 fire balloons across the country take flight c/o Slashdot. I can't even imagine how many forest fires, UFO sightings, and general mayhem incidents this will cause. I'm going to build mine now. :)

    1. Re:Oh great, I can just see it now by Niles_Stonne · · Score: 3, Funny


      Would this be slashdotting the air force?

      "Sir, we're getting reports of UFOs all across the world... All of our birds are flying."

      "Call the president, set the terrorism level to periwinkle!"

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  8. Kids today... by gradius3 · · Score: 5, Funny
    but kids today seem fatter, lazier, and more hogtied than ever before.

    It's because we no longer have to walk 3 miles to school uphill both ways anymore.

    1. Re:Kids today... by PsibrII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They also had 12 ounce GLASS bottles of coke back then. That made it a tad harder to get fat by sucking down 6 liters worth of cola in a day.

      And if you lived in a huge metro area, you might get up to 6-7 whopping channels of TV, on which the programming was pretty lame. If you lived in the sticks you could still get those 6-7 channels, but only with a huge antenna that likely had the motor burned out 10 years ago requiring someone to go up on the roof and turn it while someone on the ground yelled up to say if it was better or worse.

      Candy flavings were still not too good in the 70s, but you learned to love it because the butter/bacon/whatever fat overwhelem the turpentine aromas of an immature artifical flavoring technology.

      And don't forget, there was the sweet and poisonous aroma of leaded gas. On bitter cold mornings you could see that evil grey everywhere.

      Ah yes, TV sucked, so kids ran amok trying to entertain themselves. Cola was flavored with cane sugar produced by neer slave labor, now its full of corn sugar that doesn't taste so good an is as addictive, if not more, than heroin. And the nation simply believed that vietnam was a fluke, and wasn't a trend of sending troops to rotting cesspools worldwide for no good reason. Drugs were something that only low born gutter scum used, and kids looked forward to when they could be cool and start smoking, drinking, and getting laid. Playboy was "hardcore" porn. The term "fisting" would be unknown to the masses until the 80s, and even not then really.

      Now, kids learn even before they enter school that the world is a cesspool, and if they are lucky they'll get enough of an education from these union protected losers "teaching" in school that they'll be able to spell and read well enough that they can get real info off the internet educational sights. And then, if they know the right people, and work like a slave they'll find a more or less dry part of the cesspool to exist in. And all their hard work will go into taxes to support the masses of baby boomers crying for more bread and circuses in their retirement years, and the welfare cesspits breeding subhuman scum who dream of becomming rap stars and crack dealers.

      But hey, who wouldn't find motivation in a future like that ?

    2. Re:Kids today... by FroMan · · Score: 1

      Don't forget, it was scorching 120 degree weather, through 4 feet of snow!

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    3. Re:Kids today... by w3svc_animal · · Score: 1
      >>kids today seem fatter, lazier, and more hogtied than ever before.

      Unfortunately we can say the same about quite a few adults in our little world today...

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    4. Re:Kids today... by bfields · · Score: 1
      It's because we no longer have to walk 3 miles to school uphill both ways anymore.

      If we've gotten to the point where N=3 is now regarded as a large enough number for the "when I was my age we used to have to walk N miles to shool uphill both ways" joke, then we really have reached a sad state. (I mean, c'mon, a 3 mile walk is actually a pretty reasonable commute. That's like 45 minutes. Plenty of people have commutes longer than 45 minutes....)

    5. Re:Kids today... by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > They also had 12 ounce GLASS bottles of coke back then. That made it a tad harder to get fat by sucking down 6 liters worth of cola in a day.

      Yeah, and the extra mass made them fly like crap when you tried to fill 'em with vinegar and baking soda, or even just pressurized water.

      They're safer, which is kinda boring compared to the glass ones I grew up with, but they fly better, which is what counts. Plastic 2L Coke bottles rule!

    6. Re:Kids today... by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 1

      Drugs were something that only low born gutter scum used

      Are we talking about the same '70s?

    7. Re:Kids today... by cindy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hmph... When I was your age if we wanted some'em pierced we had ta use a safety pin! None of this "sterile technique" crap either - if you didn't get an infection, you weren't do'n it right! An we had to dye our hair with Kool-Aid too! (grr... durn beauty salon posers...) You think yer cool 'cause someone threatened to beat you up? I'll tell ya about getting beat up!!! (grumble... jes wait, they'll be middle aged and boring too someday...) Hey! You with the "Joy Division" t-shirt! Get away from my car!!!

    8. Re:Kids today... by zedrex · · Score: 1

      WADRespect....

      For all your sugarcentric rage you have it mostly wrong.

      There were not 6-7 channels... rather 3-6 (3 networks plus 1-2 snowy UHF PBS's). In rural areas this might have been 0-2 channels.

      If you think that the sights and smells of unleaded gas was the memorable point about gas in the 70's... you really need some serious quality quiet time.

      If you consider 'Seinfeld' to have been a quality benchmark then I guess you could say that 'TV mostly sucked'.

      The nation did not see Vietnam as a 'fluk' but rather a fight to liberate a country from terrorism, oh.. sorry, I mean communism. This also happened a 1/2 generation earlier in Korea.

      Drugs (as in illegal drugs.. as in pot) were something umm.. most/a lot/many,many people under the age of 30 used. They (it) was very popular among college students. It was not confined to the 'low born gutter scum' by any means. Also, there was a very consistant connection between 'the drug culture' and (gasp) reading.

      Playboy was never considered 'hardcore' porn by anyone outside of strict religious orthodoxy. The 70's were not a more innocent time. There were much more ... well, you have to know about the 'underground movement' to get it. I don't think you do.

      I liked the 'less dry part of the cesspool' part though.

    9. Re:Kids today... by Theaetetus · · Score: 1
      ... they'll get enough of an education from these union protected losers "teaching" in school that they'll be able to spell and read well enough that they can get real info off the internet educational sights[sic]...

      Um, they're 'sites'. Must spellcheck when you're ranting about the deplorable state of today's kids. ;)

      -T

  9. Re:Kerplop? by TripleA · · Score: 1

    Freud is coming for you now.

  10. The were no good old days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The books are set in the early 60's before Bhopal, Three Mile Island, and Agent Orange rained on the big Science parade.

    When exactly were these good old days. It wasn't so great before. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Thalidomide, rampant use of nasopharyngeal radium for all kinds of bogus reasons.

    1. Re:The were no good old days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved lives of our troops who otherwise would have had to invade Japan and take it yard by yard. Too bad we had to the nuke them but they started it, and we finished it.

      Besides saving American lives, other good came out of the bombings. Japan was tamed and made receptive to the ideas of constitutional democracy. Today Japan is enjoys freedoms most Asian countries can only dream about. Japan is a prosperous democratic society, and arguably it was the atomic bomb which ensured that transition.

    2. Re:The were no good old days by ronfar · · Score: 1
      ~~~DWIGHT EISENHOWER "...in [July] 1945... Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. ...the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently expecting a vigorous assent.

      "During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..."

      - Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380

      In a Newsweek interview, Eisenhower again recalled the meeting with Stimson:

      "...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."

      - Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63

      ~~~ADMIRAL WILLIAM D. LEAHY (Chief of Staff to Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman) "It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.

      "The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."

      - William Leahy, I Was There, pg. 441.

      ~~~GENERAL DOUGLAS MacARTHUR MacArthur biographer William Manchester has described MacArthur's reaction to the issuance by the Allies of the Potsdam Proclamation to Japan: "...the Potsdam declaration in July, demand[ed] that Japan surrender unconditionally or face 'prompt and utter destruction.' MacArthur was appalled. He knew that the Japanese would never renounce their emperor, and that without him an orderly transition to peace would be impossible anyhow, because his people would never submit to Allied occupation unless he ordered it. Ironically, when the surrender did come, it was conditional, and the condition was a continuation of the imperial reign. Had the General's advice been followed, the resort to atomic weapons at Hiroshima and Nagasaki might have been unnecessary."

      William Manchester, American Caesar: Douglas MacArthur 1880-1964, pg. 512.

      Norman Cousins was a consultant to General MacArthur during the American occupation of Japan. Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur, "MacArthur's views about the decision to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were starkly different from what the general public supposed." He continues, "When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor."

      Norman Cousins, The Pathology of Power, pg. 65, 70-71.

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  11. uber geek jackass training? by slyguy420 · · Score: 1, Funny

    sounds like a training manual for geek johnny knoxvilles

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  12. Back in the day by Otter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The books are set in the early 60's before Bhopal, Three Mile Island, and Agent Orange rained on the big Science parade. Brinley worked for Lockheed and Martin during one of the the most romantic periods in aviation history, save perhaps the early days of the Wright Brothers. The books are infused with a certainty that rational thought guided by the scientific method and salted with a bit of pluck and wit could solve any problem.

    And back when machinery was accessible, before integrated circuits, when it was possible to take devices apart, understand them and modify them.

    Just to nitpick, note that "Bhopal" is correct if you're talking about public reaction to technology, not about any real consequences. It's not as if catastrophic toxic disasters are a new thing, but the attitude towards the cost and benefits involved changed dramatically.

  13. Just mentioned the Club... by Speare · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was just mentioning the 'geek' books which have fallen out of print, or out of favor, in the children's section at libraries. Seems maybe a few of these are being retrofitted and re-released.

    • The Mad Scientists' Club series
    • Alfred Hitchcock's The Three Investigators series
    • Encyclopedia Brown series
    • The Great Brain series
    • ...

    For a while, Disney boosted Phil Nye the Science Guy, and there was a competing concept hitting TV at the same time, but these are science magazine formats. Many kids need more inspiration, often from personable fiction scenarios like these books offered.

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    1. Re:Just mentioned the Club... by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      Bill Nye....and the competing thing was Beakman's World (which had a couple of talking penguins)

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    2. Re:Just mentioned the Club... by BJH · · Score: 1

      Bizarre... I'm not even from the US, and I've read every single book in all of those series. Truly eerie how people here seem to share the same experiences growing up.

      In fact, I've got the two Mad Scientist book sitting right here next to me.

    3. Re:Just mentioned the Club... by Mr.+McGibby · · Score: 1

      How about Choose Your Own Adventure? I've tried in vain to get any copies of these books.

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    4. Re:Just mentioned the Club... by ShaiHulud-23 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was a huge fan of Encyclopedia Brown. Some time in the fourth grade I discovered the Mad Scientists Club when I came across one of the books in a used book store with a cover illustration by Leonard Shortall, the artist who did all the EB illustrations.

      There was also a series of kid's mystery type books (along the lines of Encyclopedia Brown) about Hawkeye Collins, a kid who drew pictures of the scenes of crimes, thus spotting the clues and saving the day. It was pretty derivative of EB, but since I also loved drawing at that age they really appealed to me.

      And speaking of Encyclopedia Brown and kid's geek adventure stories, one of my favorite books was Secret Agents Four, by Donald J Sobol (who wrote EB.) Ahh nostalgia. Kids these days all want to go to Hogwarts, but when I was a 11 I wanted to open a detective agency in my garage.

    5. Re:Just mentioned the Club... by hoover10001 · · Score: 1
      Not to mention the earlier generations of books like Tom Swift and Tom Corbett.

      Ah, back in the days where engineers where at least a bit appreciated.

    6. Re:Just mentioned the Club... by Surak · · Score: 1

      I read just about every book in all of those series, except the Great Brain books (don't remember that one at all. must've been either after my time, or I'm just getting too old to remember it) growing up. I would *love* to get my hands on those books again. That was great...those books were inspiring to me, especially once I got my hands on an electronics kit and then later a computer..."let's see what I can do with *this*..."

    7. Re:Just mentioned the Club... by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1
      I was just mentioning the 'geek' books which have fallen out of print, or out of favor, in the children's section at libraries.

      A couple more good geek kids series were Danny Dunn and Mike Mars, both of which appear to be hard to find nowadays.

    8. Re:Just mentioned the Club... by MarkRH · · Score: 1

      Wow, I read all of those too, and I had completely forgotten about most of those, including the Mad Scientist's Club. As well as Danny Dunn and Tom Swift.

      About the only precocious thing I ever did was teaching myself to read, which was actually a form of self-torture in a house without a television. I recall reading everything I could get my hands on at the local library, even turning to crap like the Battlefield Earth series, just because they sucked up those summer hours....

    9. Re:Just mentioned the Club... by sparrow_hawk · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll take the opportunity to tack Isaac Asimov's _Norby_ series (_Norby the Mixed-Up Robot_, _Norby's Other Secret_, etc. etc.) Yeah, the titles suck, but they were an absolute blast, are woefully out of print, and got me interested in science fiction. I actually noticed them because Boy's Life magazine did a serial comic of one of them.

    10. Re:Just mentioned the Club... by wcbrown · · Score: 1

      Aside from the one's you mentioned, there's also the Hardy Boys and Einstein Anderson. I remember both of those series quite fondly, though the book covers on SeymourSimon.com look much, much lamer than I recall.

    11. Re:Just mentioned the Club... by MrScience · · Score: 1

      I read and re-read Danny Dunn. Most of the stuff in his books has come true (such as the dragonfly telerobotic).
      "Although the series is science-fiction, its stories are firmly based on scientific fact. For instance, the Lamont Geological Laboratories furnished information for The Ocean Floor and I.B.M. contributed greatly to The Homework Machine. For The Heat Ray, I was shown one of the first lasers in use. An attamp has always been made to keep the science in the stories ahead of actual scientific developments. many of the inventions suggested in The Automatic House, then purely hypothetical--such as the video-telephone, the rotating house, and the door responding to voice control--actually appeared in public use within a year after the book was published. --Jay Williams "

      And you left off Tom Swift!

      A great page of young-adult science books I found googling: http://community-2.webtv.net/parhampinkston/Scienc eFictionBooks/

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    12. Re:Just mentioned the Club... by Jmstuckman · · Score: 1

      Does anybody remember Henry Reed? The books weren't about science (time period is too long ago) but the boy had the mind of a geek for sure!

    13. Re:Just mentioned the Club... by dillon_rinker · · Score: 1

      Sure it's about science! He did Pure and Applied Research!

      Great books...

    14. Re:Just mentioned the Club... by knghtrider · · Score: 1

      Ah, those were the days...

      Dinky and Freddy and Motimer and the gang from 'The Mad Scientists Club'..

      Tom Swift (Sr. and Jr. both were read and enjoyed by me) and Jr's friend Bud Barclay..

      Danny Dunn and Joe Pearson and Irene (forget her last name)..

      Jupiter, Peter, and Bob, aka 'The Three Investigators'...

      and my all-time favorite..

      Encylopedia Brown..

      BUT....

      Let's also not forget 'Inspector Roger Tearle'...even though he was very similar to Enclylopedia Brown, the books were still very good..

      While I'm thinking...let's not forget Issac Asimov's 'Tales of the Black Widowers'. While not necessarily a childrens book, I did read them as a young adolescent.

      Alas, we just don't have the same level of writing---we're spoiled by the multitude of channels of crap on digital cable... Maybe it's high time I pulled the plug on the idiot box....

      I think I know what I'm ordering now..

      The Big Kerplop just might be a fun read this weekend..

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  14. Minisub by cybermace5 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I always wondered if they ever got that minisub out from inside that cave behind the waterfall. Arguably the largest-scale escapade in the books, especially considering how they got it in the first place, for about three dollars. Since they were going to use it to explore the bottom of the lake, maybe it plays a part in this book?

    Anyway, these books were an inspiration for many early experiments involving batteries, wires, nails, motors, and light bulbs. I am sure they helped convert me from taking things apart, to wondering how things are put together.

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    1. Re:Minisub by squidfood · · Score: 2, Funny
      I always wondered if they ever got that minisub out from inside that cave behind the waterfall.

      They were showing off their scientific writing skills here.

      "Dinky Poore and Henry managed to get it out, but that's another story" is, of course, equivalent to "sub-waterfall extraction is trivial and left as an exercise to the reader."

  15. I read these as a child by earthforce_1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And it did inspire me to try and build a hot air powered manned UFO.

    The candle powered chinese lantern prank sounds kind of neat, except that if kids try to emulate it they run a real risk of starting serious fires, if their balloon comes down in dry grass or brush with the candle still lit.

    As an aside: In WW2 the Japanese used high altitude baloons launched into the jetstream carrying an incendiary payload, which were expected to drift across the pacific and start forest fires across North America when they landed. A captured example sits on display in the Ottawa War museum.

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    1. Re:I read these as a child by BJH · · Score: 1

      I believe the Japanese weapons were more fragmentary than incendiary, but my memory's not what it used to be.
      Anyway, one of those balloons was responsible for the only direct casualty of WWII on American soil.

  16. er, Bill Nye [nt] by Speare · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I meant Bill Nye, not 'Phil Nye,' discovered from his appearances on "Almost Live" in Seattle.

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  17. Why read a review of a bad book? by Seek_1 · · Score: 1

    .. Why bother wasting your time reading a review of a bad book? People are more likely to read the review if it's for a good that'd actually decent. (which would explain why good reviews tend to make the cut as far as /. goes..)

    1. Re:Why read a review of a bad book? by tenman · · Score: 1

      Bad Review "It sucked. Move on!"

      Your right, bad reviews usually don't have the same attention holding power.

  18. self-preservation by dbc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I worry about today's kids. How are they going to develop good instincts for self-preservation if they don't try some risky things? I grew up watching my elders work on big, dangerous machines in the shop, and working with big, dangerous animals in the corals. By watching, I learned what they respected, and learned a whole bunch of things to *not* do, like stupid handling of gasoline. So anyway, when I did my own risky stunts, personal safety (self-preservation) was part of the equation. (Elder: "Who took the welding hood??") How do today's kids learn that when we all have CRT-tans and it's a rare neighbor who has a welder, instead of a rare neighbor without one. Kids need to have the scope to do "experiments". But... kids need to internalize some important lessons first, in a safe way. How do we do that? My solution is to try to do as many projects with them as possible, role model safety, and keep the band-aids handy. I think of my townie cousins: Me: "Watch out! Electric fence." Him: "Really? Cool! OW! OW!! OW!!! Shit! Jeezus!" I don't want my daughter to be like that.

    1. Re:self-preservation by djeaux · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "There are three kinds of men - the ones that learn by reading - the few who learn by observation, and the rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."
      --Will Rogers
      We do hope that our offspring don't have to pee on the fence, don't we? Well, dunno about the rest of the /. world, but I am usually unable to realize all my geek fantasies without ready access to a good machine shop!
      --
      "Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray" (Bob Dylan)
    2. Re:self-preservation by tidge · · Score: 1

      "daddy...why is the fence making a clicking noise?"

    3. Re:self-preservation by hotair · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dead on. My kids have more un-common sense than most of the neighbors because they see me do things that work out when I'm careful and see me hopping around on one foot, yelling "Yipes, Youch!, Eiieee!", when I'm not. Recently my 4 year old son decided to try a new climbing stunt on a jungle gym. He recognized that he had exceeded the height he had exerience with. Did that stop him? No! He said, "Daddy, I need a safety team!" Recognizing the relationship between prior experience, challenges and managing the risks of new experience is a major part of effective intelligence. I try never to stop my children, but always to get them to observe, estimate, plan and reflect on how close their estimates were to what happened when they tried.

    4. Re:self-preservation by PsibrII · · Score: 1

      Hehe. Even adults get nailed by the electric fence gag now and then. The new pulse fencers are the worst. You unplug it to do something inside, and just as you are climbing back through you hear, "oh, watch out I turned the fence back on".
      That means you have some unknown fraction of a second to get through before the pulse gets you or not depending on an assortment of random things.

    5. Re:self-preservation by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      "Lick you handd, grab it and you'll see..."

    6. Re:self-preservation by Kintanon · · Score: 1

      And of course, kids being stupid and me being a kid at the time... Me and my brother had to see who could hold the fence the longest as the pulse got bigger and bigger. So about 100 feet down the fence I see him finally YELP and let go of the fence and then I get the jolt and do the same thing... Ahhh... foolish stupid youth....

      Kintanon

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  19. This review needs a Disclaimer by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Funny
    First, chicks dig scars -- although that theorem lies well outside of the scope of this book.

    How very careless of the /. editors to post an article carrying dangerous references like this without any disclaimer or warnings.

    Going by the average mindset of the female-starved crowd here, I thought it best to post a disclaimer, before somebody seriously injures him/herself.

    The theorem quoted herein is pure hypothesis. We can and will not confirm the above fact about chicks. Nor are we responsible for any damage to life, limb or property arising out of attempts to prove the same. If you kill yourself, you alone are responsible for it

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  20. The first rule of mad scientist club is by baldeep · · Score: 4, Funny

    you do not talk about mad scientist club!

  21. Alas, it is already too late. by David+Hume · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now, that the rediscovered full-length novel about the Club, The Big Kerplop is being republished with a bit of a splash, some adults may look at stories like this and decided that there's a danger that kids might start imitating the novels. The bigger danger, though, may come if they don't.


    Some of these tricks could get you some scars I guess but that's not the worst future awaiting a young reader. First, chicks dig scars -- although that theorem lies well outside of the scope of this book. Second, this may be the adult in me, but kids today seem fatter, lazier, and more hogtied than ever before.


    I understand the reviewer's concerns, and largely agree with them. Alas, I fear it may already be too late. Can we realistically expect that society will allow "children" to perform dangerous experiments when "[a] Santa Monica elementary school has banned the game of tag, once synonymous with youth and innocence, because they say it creates self-esteem issues among weaker and slower children."

    1. Re:Alas, it is already too late. by Maskull · · Score: 1

      Swings and see-saws on playgrounds are also being phased out. Too dangerous, or so they say.

    2. Re:Alas, it is already too late. by dr_dank · · Score: 4, Funny

      Alas, I fear it may already be too late. Can we realistically expect that society will allow "children" to perform dangerous experiments when "[a] Santa Monica elementary school has banned the game of tag, once synonymous with youth and innocence, because they say it creates self-esteem issues among weaker and slower children."

      Nothing will boost the self-esteem of slower/weaker children faster than a pie tin full of gasoline.

      --
      Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
    3. Re:Alas, it is already too late. by BJH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I love the comment, "[the kids] weren't feeling good about it".

      Since when do kids have to feel good the WHOLE DAMN TIME?! This is the sort of ridiculous approach that leads to overprescription of Ritalin and other emotionally-affective medication, and the whole "think of the children" movement.

      Why don't we just wrap 'em up in plastic, stick a feeding tube in one end, an elimination tube in the other, and leave 'em to hang for the rest of their lives? (Hey, didn't I see a movie about that?)

    4. Re:Alas, it is already too late. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I love the comment, "[the kids] weren't feeling good about it".

      No shit.

      Whatever happened to feeling good about yourself because you accomplished something, not because conditions were set up from the beginning to guarantee your success?

      You know, I never felt that good after playing kickball in elementary. Then again, a lot of my peers that felt great after kickball didn't feel so good once they got their math tests back. So god damn what? Should we have eliminated the competition from the kickball games, and not actually corrected the math tests?

      No, damnit. You don't eliminate the possibilty of success and failure; you find out what the kid is good at so they can feel good about that, and you help them get better at what they aren't good at so they can feel good about that, too.

      Learning how to cope with failure and the idea that you aren't going to be great (or even competent) at everything you do is a crucial thing for kids to learn before they turn ten, much less enter the real world.

      Oh yeah, and my friends and I would play versions of tag that allowed for you to be smarter by having strategicly placed "safe" spots, and the smartest yet slowest of us could be infuriatingly hard to catch. Are the adults too stupid to think of this kind of thing? Yes.

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      The enemies of Democracy are
    5. Re:Alas, it is already too late. by nullard · · Score: 1

      The article about the school says thet kids were getting hurt when the rules were not followed.

      If some kid things that you "tag" someone by knocking them down or something, I'd say that's a valid reason to require adult supervision.

      BTW, that was the point of the new rule. Tag is not banned, it simply must be supervised to make sure kids aren't getting hurt. That doesn't sound half as bad as what you said.

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      t'nera semordnilap
    6. Re:Alas, it is already too late. by David+Hume · · Score: 1

      That doesn't sound half as bad as what you said.


      (emphasis added)

      As indicated by my use of quotations marks, I quoted directly from the Fox News article:

      SANTA MONICA -- A Santa Monica elementary school has banned the game of tag, once synonymous with youth and innocence, because they say it creates self-esteem issues among weaker and slower children.


      See http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,55836,00.html

      As the article goes on to say:

      In the school's weekly newsletter, Samarge told parents that without adult supervision, the game would be banned. The principal said children playing tag suffered both physical and emotional injuries.


      If kids can't play *tag* without supervision, what can they do without supervision? Play football? LOL Soccer? But there are collisions! Basketball? You've got to be kidding. Sometimes children are knocked down!

    7. Re:Alas, it is already too late. by Razor+Blades+are+Not · · Score: 1

      Ever played "Red Rover" or the equivalent ? Where the kids all line up on one side and run across to the other side and the guy in the middle has to tag one. You get tagged, you stay in the middle and try and tag the next wave. Last guy to be tagged is the winner and goes in the middle next round.
      But what if the little blighters don't admit they were tagged?

      Well it's hard to deny you were tagged when you're on the ground eating dirt now isn't it?

      If that's what it takes for some kid to learn to play by the rules, that's fine by me. And yes - I'm the kid who did the tripping.

  22. The first books that made me think 'What if...' by EvilMike · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They were a great read and I still chuckle thinking about them now. Speaking as someone who tried to make their own napalm (and nearly set fire to my Dad's garage) I totally approved of their adventures!

    I think the best sign of how good these books are is that when I was a kid I wished the Mad Scientists Club was real and I could be a member....

    1. Re:The first books that made me think 'What if...' by hotair · · Score: 2

      You "wished"? I founded the local chapter in 1974. We built tissue paper hotair balloons (notice the login) and many other projects. Eventually, we even got the adults to pitch in. There were some problems because certain projects didn't scale well when the adults tried to do it "bigger and better" with no research effort. Ah well, the kids didn't get into trouble that time.

    2. Re:The first books that made me think 'What if...' by sketerpot · · Score: 1
      Speaking as someone who tried to make their own napalm (and nearly set fire to my Dad's garage) I totally approved of their adventures!

      How did it go? ;-)

    3. Re:The first books that made me think 'What if...' by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
      > Speaking as someone who tried to make their own napalm (and nearly set fire to my Dad's garage) I totally approved of their adventures!
      >
      > How did it go? ;-)

      "Nearly set fire to his Dad's garage". I'd say he did pretty well!

      (I grew up on these stories too. My folks gave 'em to me. My folks also supervized me - I now realize they were close enough to intervene if I screwed up, but from far enough away that, at the time, I didn't think they were watching. Good on them, I say. Techniques like that turned me on to science, which turned me on to computers, which turned into a fantastic career and hobby. But I do miss the homebrew fireworks. Dad, thanks for that 1950s-era book of chemistry experiments... and for bringing back some of the chemicals they stopped putting in chemistry sets. ;-)

      (Side note: Today's chemistry sets are even worse. I think "dissolve sugar" and "mix vinegar and baking soda, look at foam" are about all that's left. How the hell are you supposed to get an 8-year-old interested in science with that?!?! Fer chrissakes, you don't have to give 'em thermite, but at least let 'em detect the friggin' humidity with cobalt chloride!)

    4. Re:The first books that made me think 'What if...' by EvilMike · · Score: 1

      How did it go? ;-)

      Actually after the first mishap it went pretty well! The neighbourhood wasn't safe from my WLDs (Weapons of Little Destruction)...

      Of course, my Dad did encourage this behaviour... He told me how he made nitro-glycerine in High School chemistry with some mates. They rigged up an electromagnet with a ball bearing stuck to it above a petri dish of nitro-glycerine and then turned off the power while standing on the far side of the room, blowing out the windows...

  23. Which would be worse... by djeaux · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ... kids building mock UFOs from dry cleaner bags & candles or kids standing on the railroad tracks trying to stop the "Hogwarts Express" with a small stick, er, "wand."

    It took Rowling a whole lot more than 200 pages to tell the latest Potter story & she already had the characters & setting in place.

    Methinks I need to revisit the Mad Scientists Club of my youth...

    I don't think that "Kerplop" will have the latest batch of 8-12 yr old boys out doing "science" instead of trying to be wizards, but that's probably because our "post-post-modern" culture is more attuned to angels & witches than it is to the scientific method. <sigh> I don't blame it on Bhopal, Three Mile Island, or Agent Orange, though. I blame it on LSD, fake mysticism & "I'm OK, You're OK."

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    "Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray" (Bob Dylan)
    1. Re:Which would be worse... by fiore42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think that "Kerplop" will have the latest batch of 8-12 yr old boys out doing "science" instead of trying to be wizards, but that's probably because our "post-post-modern" culture is more attuned to angels & witches than it is to the scientific method. I don't blame it on Bhopal, Three Mile Island, or Agent Orange, though. I blame it on LSD, fake mysticism & "I'm OK, You're OK."

      Yeah, but the thing you're missing is that Rowling's presented probably the /least mystical wizards/ to ever appear throughout history. Now, I think there are all kinds of things wrong with "post-post-modern culture", I'm with you here, but honestly! Hogwarts has more to do with a rational, reasoned approach to problem-solving than most things I've seen lately. Just no mini-subs. ::misses the mini-sub::

    2. Re:Which would be worse... by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 1

      Hogwarts has more to do with a rational, reasoned approach to problem-solving than most things I've seen lately.

      You mean except for the part where they're using magic, right?

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    3. Re:Which would be worse... by d80god · · Score: 1

      Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

      J.K. Rowling may not provide any explanation for how her magic works, but it seems consistent and rational enough to make predictions and test them. Isn't that the basis of the scientific method?

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      --------------------- Eddie Liu.
  24. Scars by Ayandia · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's true. Chicks dig scars. Since scars help you to determine the guys who are more accident prone, they're an ideal way to determine if a guy will make a good choice for a Starter Husband.

    You don't want the first one to last TOO long since you'll be making most of your uneducated mistakes with him, so guys with scars are an excellent choice. Plus, they're more likely to die in some tragic, yet totally accidental, way that will be ideal for the huge insurance policies she's no doubt taken out him.

    1. Re:Scars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hmm.. Or, they could be total survivors and last
      far longer than ever expected.

      darn scarred, survivalist, starter husbands! :)

  25. Re:er, Bill Nye [nt] by iago · · Score: 1

    Ah...Almost Live. They had one series of skits called the "High Fivin' White Guys"

    Also dressed up as "Speed Walker", a superhero whose specialty was Speed Walking. (Pre-TheTick)

    Comedy Central needs to start replaying Almost Live...put it after the Joel MST3K.

    I'm done now.

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    Worst Sig Ever
  26. Must have missed as a kid by sonofasailor · · Score: 1

    I really don't remember reading this series.
    I do remember chewing through Tom Swift series though.

    And Tom Corbett Space Cadet
    I still have 3 copies of my father's green hard backed books.

    I really don't think it matters the nuances of the material, but rather something abit more poignant than the damn USA Today. These books were good exercise for the day when i would RTFM ! (Well LOTR, and then TFM)

    I remember fighting with the local librarian to read At Dawn We Slept, she claimed that it was too advanced for my age, and that I needed my mothers permission to read it.

    And as ashamed as I am to admit it, Hardy Boys, but that was mindless reading there, kinda of like having VH1 on in the background.

    I wonder what other's have had as "foundational" reading

  27. candle power by sbeitzel · · Score: 2, Funny

    My wife tells the story of how her brother made a flaming balloon once when they were kids. Instead of using a candle, he used a can of Sterno. Well, it turned out that the balloon didn't quite have enough lift to get the can over the wooden fence at the side of their yard, so the balloon tipped the can on its side and dragged along the fence, spilling flaming jelly all over the tinder-dry fence. Their mom came home to find the fire department putting out the fence and yard. Man, that sounds like it was fun.

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  28. Hobanobacoba by August_zero · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had this teacher in the 3rd grade that used to read books from the "Encyclopedia Brown" and "The Great Brain" series to us. I enjoyed them so much that I nagged my parents to take me to the library so I could read the rest of the series. Growing up, these were some of my favorite books, and along with my favorite TV show "MacGyver" I had plenty of intelligent role models. When I read these books again as an adult, they do seem a bit corny, and in retrospect, there were a lot of inconsistencies with MacGyver (and some very preachy politics) but I can't help but think the authors' hearts were in the right place at least. Characters that rely on their wits and cunning to defeat their foes has always seemed far more interesting to me then the ones that just pull out a gun or a pipe wrench when adversity arises.

    Who's to say how much exposure to these characters and stories shaped the way that I look at the world? Maybe I would have been the same without them, but I can't help but thinking that you are what you eat intellectually. I'm not making a case for games and TV poisoning the youth of the world, rather I think that teaching children to actually think about things may be one of the best lessons you can give, and one of the ways to do this, is show some examples of characters that do use thier brains.

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  29. Re:This review needs a Disclaimer by PsibrII · · Score: 1

    Should be more simple. Such as, we are not responsible for kids who are so stupid they set themselves on fire, or get killed/injured striving for that darwin award.

  30. What was that series of books? by paiute · · Score: 1

    There was a series I read in junior high where the teenage protagonist's father was a scientist who travelled around the world with his team of experts getting into trouble. I can't remember the name of it. Wasn't Johnny Quest, either. Anybody remember that series? It was Tom Swift-like, but it wasn't he. Man, this is going to drive me nuts.

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    1. Re:What was that series of books? by CombatWombat · · Score: 1

      Danny Dunn?

    2. Re:What was that series of books? by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 1

      There was a series I read in junior high where the teenage protagonist's father was a scientist who travelled around the world with his team of experts getting into trouble. I can't remember the name of it. Wasn't Johnny Quest, either. Anybody remember that series? It was Tom Swift-like, but it wasn't he.

      Are you thinking of the "Danny Dunn" novels?

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  31. How about Enid Blyton's? The Famous Five? by efutch · · Score: 1

    Or the Seven Secrets Club? I read those in Spanish when I was a kid...great reads, and it was great that there was a large collection of those to avoid spending time without "new" literature...

    Now, I wanted my kids to read those, but compared to Harry Potter...I don't think they have a chance, they seem to have little action compared to Potter.

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  32. Speaking as one of the 'kids' of today... by nicodemus05 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I don't think we're any 'fatter' or 'more hogtied' than you geezers were. We don't play with breadboards because electronics have long since passed the point where anything sophisticated can be achieved with a soldering iron. Instead I learned C++, HTML, and some PERL. I'm as technically adept as you were at my age; all that's happened is a spectrum shift from hardware to software.

    I haven't read these books, but I've done my fair share of back yard demolitions. I think that anything that encourages children to do the same (responsibly and from the standpoint of intellectual curiosity) is admirable. Sure you have to show some common sense around dangerous substances, but you're not going to learn any if you're sheltered by adults your whole life.

    I think that if kids today are any less adventurous than the kids of the fifties it's because their parents encourage them to be. Of course no father wants his son to be in any danger. My father's solution was to buy me a pair of safety goggles, some work gloves, and sit down with me to demonstrate the correct, safe, responsible way to light a bonfire with a zipline, 10 gallons of gasoline, and a model rocket.

    Sure, not every parent will go to that extreme, but how about a middle ground? Start with safety tips and responsibility discussions while playing with sparklers and firecrackers on the 4th of July. Quality time with the kids plus valuable lessons that they can see demonstrated by an authority figure.

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    while (!sleep){

    sheep++;

    }

  33. rocket fuel 101 by RobertKozak · · Score: 2, Funny

    As a young teen I remember how excite I was learnign a formula for dry rocket fuel. Basically gun powder.

    I had a blast mixing this stuff and lighting it in my backyard. :-)

    One day I decided to raid my chemistry set and adding random chemicals to the mix to see what would happen.

    I remember learning how volatile sodium and potassium was so I mixed every chemical I had with these chemicals into the mix. Including NaCl. Damn fun times.

    But let me also say because of the exlosion that happened I am very glad I am still here today.

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  34. Not! by carlos_benj · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I think everyone here can agree that the entire club would be open source coders today...

    I can see it now: "Hey gang, let's write a PERL script to figure out what landed in the lake!"

    So, the contention is that there is no longer any need for chemists or physicists or anything other than programmers in order to explore science? Either that or all open source code monkeys are also accomplished in the other fields.

    Methinks you take the uberness of your geekiness too seriously.

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    As a matter of fact, I am a lawyer. But I play an actor on TV.

    1. Re:Not! by clarkc3 · · Score: 1
      #!/usr/bin/perl

      open(lake, "lake.h2o");

      while(<lake>)
      {
      if ($_ =~ /h2o/)
      {
      # do nothing, its just water
      }
      else
      print "we've found $_ !!";
      }

      close(lake);

      # intended solely as a joke, and I haven't written a real Perl scripts in a while, so pardon any mistakes :p

    2. Re:Not! by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. Since my comment was modded flamebait (flaimbait for some of the /. audience) I must have missed the boat. Perhaps the contention is not so much that the fields of science I mentioned (and many that I did not) are no longer needed but it's the coders that exclude the others which makes the modern day version of the Mad Scientists Club entirely populated with their own kind.

      Or maybe those with moderator points just don't like PERL....

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      As a matter of fact, I am a lawyer. But I play an actor on TV.

  35. The Mad Scientists Club RULES by TerryAtWork · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Damn this is great! The Mad Scientist's Club was one of the best books I read as a kid.

    I bought it through school and never regretted it.

    One of the things I didn't know about the author is that he was one of the American officers to negotiate with the North Koreans, who were, and are, about the most obnoxious, lying, vicious chicken-shit bastards ever to be brought to the table. THAT must have shaken his faith in humanity.

    He ALSO, in The Big Kerplop, (which was on a USENET book group some months ago) answered a question we had debated fiercely among the jr NCOs when I was in the Canadian Militia, which is 'How best to get a section across an open road?'

    Turns out the best way is all at once in a rush as Henry Mulligan points out, it only gives them one chance to spot you.

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  36. Re:This review needs a Disclaimer by Xugumad · · Score: 1

    Screw this pure hypothesis lark, this may be the best/only chance I have (err, Slashdot archives aren't kept too long, right?)! The only question is, what sort of scar and where? Should I go for some huge gash on the face, or perhaps just some tasteful burn marks on one hand? The selection is endless...

    BTW, for those who read /. and know me IRL, no, you don't need to start keeping sharp/flammable objects away from me. Equally, offering to lend me sharp/flammable objects is not a good thing, either.

  37. Re:It's a joke by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

    You stupid cunt.

    No, no,no,no,no. It's:

    "You ignorant slut", usually preceeded by "Jane,".

  38. Mad Scientists Club book by PiratePTG · · Score: 1

    I still have my original Mad Scientists Club book, that I bought back in elementary school. The paperback is getting pretty worn, but it is still fun reading. It's amazing that a 35 year-old children's book can still be such a pleasure to immerse yourself into.

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  39. Brinley's Other Book by StefanJ · · Score: 2, Informative
    Bertrand Brinley is known in the amateur rocketry community for another book, the Rocket Manual for Amateurs.

    This famous, or infamous, paperback describes how to safely build, fuel, and fly steel-cased rockets powered by zinc-sulfur mixtures. It's the sort of activity that the teens in Rocket Boys (AKA "October Sky") did.

    Brinley doesn't pull punches. Doing things right, by-the-book, requires you to have several square miles of land, and sandbag bunkers for storage, fueling, launching, and observation. There's a big first aid section with instructions on dealing with belly wounds and nasty burns.

    Its fascinating but sobering stuff; most readers will realize that they're better off with Estes and Aerotech stuff.

    Stefan

    1. Re:Brinley's Other Book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My dad did this, only he used copper tubing and launched them, without any provision for a recovery system, from basically downtown Denver. They weighed about three kilos of pure, sharpened gleaming copper. This was before Estes existed.

    2. Re:Brinley's Other Book by ashitaka · · Score: 1

      most readers will realize that they're better off with Estes and Aerotech stuff

      Maybe not since Estes starting charging C$50 for a small painted paper tube and a couple of pieces of balsa wood.

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    3. Re:Brinley's Other Book by StefanJ · · Score: 1
      Shop around! You may be getting ripped off.


      As I recall, there's at least one Canadian MR manufacturer. Yes, you'll still pay through the nose for motors, but the kits should be cheaper w/o exchange rate and duties.


      Once upon a time, there was a Canadian model rocket motor manufacturer. Canaroc, as I recall.


      And there's currently a Canadian maker of high-power motor reloads.

  40. Re:er, Bill Nye [nt] by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

    Ah yes, Bill Nye. Anyone else remember Suzanne Mikawa from that show? Of all the presenters, she had the most acting ability. I believe she is/was at Stanford. I wonder if she plans on an acting career?

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  41. Re:Kids today... [... may just be smarter] by jolshefsky · · Score: 1
    They may just be smarter and walk in the opposite direction, 3 miles downhill each day.

    I never understood why Escher's soliders liked the stairmaster so much.

    (Aww heck, why not go for the Trifecta...)

    And Sisyphus should have just redefined the problem, considered it done, and left.

    (Thanks for the advice ... I'll keep my day job as long as they keep paying me to read Slashdot.)

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    Karma: Poser (mostly affected by adding this line long after everyone else did)

  42. electric fence by obtuse · · Score: 1

    So, you've _never_ touched an electric fence? Have you ever gotten a shock from one? Your cousins don't have that experience.

    It sounds like your city cousins were displaying a healthy curiousity. They know it shouldn't damage them in a lasting sense, and wonder how powerful it is.

    The first time I encountered a stun gun, I pressed it to my arm & tried it out. I knew I wouldn't damage myself, but now I've got a better idea of exactly what it does and how powerful it is. I don't think it was stupid. It hurt. Big deal. I knew it would, and I also knew it shouldn't do any lasting harm.

    I agree though, even adults are too sheltered today. My camcorder didnt' really need a warning against using it in the tub, did it? However, this can be countered with some of the techniques people mention below.

    I keep thinking of a friend of mine who told his kids:
    "Saying 'I just didn't think' isn't ever good enough."

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    Assembly is the reverse of disassembly.
    1. Re:electric fence by gte910h · · Score: 1

      The first time I encountered a stun gun, I pressed it to my arm & tried it out. I knew I wouldn't damage myself, but now I've got a better idea of exactly what it does and how powerful it is. I don't think it was stupid. It hurt. Big deal. I knew it would, and I also knew it shouldn't do any lasting harm. THANK GOD there is another human being who says this. My Gf and friends don't get this philosophy at all.

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    2. Re:electric fence by AllUsernamesAreGone · · Score: 1

      " Big deal. I knew it would, and I also knew it shouldn't do any lasting harm." O_o An American who didn't sue the stun gun company for geting a shock from it? Bloody hell, there may be hope for the world yet. Okay, not much hope. But I can at least die in the impending civilisation-ending fireball happy in the knowledge that there are some human beings on the planet who aren't litigious morons..

  43. Re:This review needs a Disclaimer by jovlinger · · Score: 4, Funny

    2) Bones heal

    3) Pain is Temporary

    4) Glory lasts forever.

    Google will tell you whoe uttered these four Lemmas of BMX/Skater wisdom.

  44. Re:...The real danger... by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Funny
    > I discovered if you pointed a 4 1/4" newtonian reflector at the sun you had a reasonable facsimile of a short range death-ray. [ ... ] "Mom, me and Sean are going out to the back porch and make a batch of formic acid. Don't open the porch door until I tell you it's OK." [ ... ] We drew designs on the ground and watched the ants follow them, then neutralized the whole batch. [ ... ] It's very easy to make [ ...]

    My first parsing of your post went something like this:

    So you drew designs on the ground with sugar water... and when you'd attracted enough ants, you broke out the 4.5" Newtonian and neutralized the ants. Viola! Plenty of formic acid! :)

    Seriously - your parents sound like mine. Close enough supervision that if you get in over your head, they could bail you out -- but that up until that point, they could trust you, because they also taught you how to not get in over your head. Bravo. (And if you breed, do likewise with your offspring. We've got enough pop stars and lawyers. The world needs scientists, too.)

  45. The big WHAT? by ewhenn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Are we sure this book is not about plumbing?

  46. scitoys by MoreDruid · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'm amazed nobody mentioned SciToys yet.

    I tried several experiments (and I don't even have kids, I just like to do this kind of stuff and I'm either too lazy or stupid to come up with my own stuff) and it's just fun to do... For us geeks, the site includes an argumantation of why a certain device works and how with the laws of physics and all...

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    The best weapon of a dictatorship is secrecy, but the best weapon of a democracy should be the weapon of openness.
  47. Great Books by tylers · · Score: 1

    WOW! I've been looking for these books for years! I read them as a child but for the life of me couldn't remember the name of the series. Thank you, Slashdot!

  48. Oh. My. God... by autopr0n · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I think everyone here can agree that the entire club would be open source coders today, although it's not clear if they would embrace the BSD or GPL license. It may not even be stretching things to say that groups who wrote and distributed DeCSS are working through the same themes as the Mad Scientist Club, albeit on a global scale.

    This may shock you, but there are smart people out there who are not OSS coders! In fact, there are smart people out there who are not even coders at all! That's right, intelligent people out there working on Airplanes, automobiles, and doing all sorts of other types of engineering. Rumor has it that there may even be smart people in business or the arts. (keep that quiet though). There are also smart people involved in proprietary software if you can believe that!

    I do have it on good authority, however, that not one single intelligent person works for the government.

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  49. hmmm by autopr0n · · Score: 1

    Ah yes, TV sucked, so kids ran amok trying to entertain themselves. Cola was flavored with cane sugar produced by neer slave labor, now its full of corn sugar that doesn't taste so good an is as addictive, if not more, than heroin.

    Soda tastes worse so it's more addictive? Whatever. Btw, the reason people use corn syrup now isn't for health reasons, but because of stupid protectionist sugar tariffs.

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  50. The Great Brain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Since those books were written in the beginning of the 20th century, I doubt they were after your time. The "Brain" was a rather smart kid who quickly learned that he could take advantage of the other kids, using all kinds of classic con games to cheat them out of stuff. Apparently based on his real-life brother. A series definitity worth checking out.

  51. Alvin Fernald, Danny Dunn, and Henry Reed by LouisvilleDebugger · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I loved the two "Mad Scientists Club" short story anthologies when I was a kid (and still: I got two copies of the first one from Purple House Press a year ago, one for me, one for a fellow (female!) hacker friend who loved the books too.) I'll have to get the second one and The Big Kerplop now.

    I was a little surprised that no one has mentioned the Alvin Fernald series by Clifford B. Hicks (TWO of which were made into Disney versions, years apart.) Wonderful "boy inventions," funny situations and scary climaxes. Probably contemporaneous with the Brinley books. They had a lot of good messages for kids too. "Superweasel" dealt with pollution (imagine climbing the smokestack of the nearest big corporate polluter to plug it with a tarpaulin!) I showed it to my fifth grade teacher in 1978 and he promptly spent a few weeks reading it aloud to the entire class, and we did a school wide environmental awareness project based on it.

    Alvin's Secret Code deals with cryptography. Hicks is careful to mention the dark side of war and not overly romanticise the subject: "Spying is a dirty business," the retired cryptographer tells Alvin in response to Alvin's awe over his experiences.

    The rest of the Alvin Fernald series maintains a high degree of quality with these and other themes.

    The Danny Dunn series was great. My favorite, "Danny Dunn and the Homework Machine" deals with his friend Professor Bullfinch's new computer. Danny programs the computer to do his homework and later feels guilty about cheating. But the professor points out that Danny's efforts to program the computer are proof in themselves that he has learned the concepts just as thoroughly, if not more so, than if he'd done things "by hand."

    Then there's the "Henry Reed" series by Keith Robertson. Foreign service brat Henry has lived abroad his whole life, and comes to Grover's Corner, New Jersey (no Red Lectroids here, it's Grover's Corner, not Grover's Mill) to spend summers with his uncle and aunt, and neighbor Margaret Glass. Lots of great kid gadget tinkering, and a launch of a silage-bag helium balloon with a timed pigeon release experiment that goes wrong when Henry's beagle, Agony, jumps into the gondola. In another scene, Henry and Margaret try "dowsing" or "water witching," improvise a drill from a wagon axle, and strike oil!

    These books are excellent inspirers of fantasy play for children of all ages. A kid who reads these kinds of things should learn above all that with a healthy interest in the world around one, it is possible never to be bored. They're also an important source of scientifically-minded literary heroes for young readers working their way up to Jules Verne and H. G. Wells.

    What I got out of this period in my reading life: just because your playmates look at you funny when you invent something or discuss science doesn't mean that you're the only person who could conceive of doing science as a kid.

    "Well, it is sad to be alone, but that is the way it is in this world." -- R. P. Feynman, on A. S. Eddington

    1. Re:Alvin Fernald, Danny Dunn, and Henry Reed by bloosqr · · Score: 1

      Wow danny dunn!! I had completely forgotten about that series, I had read this entire series when I was back in england (~9 yrs old) and had thought this was some brit series that america hadn't gotten. The other brit. series like this was something called the "famous five" which was a series of 5 kids on adventures. I remember when I came to america the other series that I thought was quite good (though very 50s genre sci fi) was the "tom swift" series that our local library had. I've never heard of this alfred series but i'll definitely look it up (i'm actually a college level physics prof now so it'll have to be a secret guilty pleasure :))

      -bloo

    2. Re:Alvin Fernald, Danny Dunn, and Henry Reed by calidoscope · · Score: 1
      My favorite, "Danny Dunn and the Homework Machine"

      Man that brings back some memories. Read that book in 5th grade - that was 1965. I beleive the book was written in the early 60's, the one about the time machine was set in 1963 (and 1763).

      The storyline did foreshadow word processors - the original "homework machine" in the book was a board suspended by strings and holding two pens - allowing two copies of a handwritten paper to be done by one person.

      One amusing detail - Danny had a problem when his nemesis (don't remember the name - been over 38 years since I've read the book) turned down the thermostat on the computer - causing it to garble output from being too cold...

      Funny to think that the idea of a computer in the house was as far out as a time machine.

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      A Shadeless room is a brighter room.
  52. True Life Story by serutan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I vividly remember such a fake flying saucer incident that occurred in the SF Bay Area when I was a kid in the late 1960's.

    A spectacular UFO story appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle one day. Hundreds of people had spotted a small, glowing cylindrical spaceship floating slowly out over the bay. It was described as being about 9 feet long by 3 feet in diameter, like a large water heater. A drawing by an eyewitness even showed a small humanoid figure reclining at the controls inside.

    The very next day there was a followup article in the Chronicle, in which a bunch of students admitted they had launched dozens of small balloons, made from dry cleaner bags and drinking straws and powered by birthday candles. What struck me was the certainty of the eyewitness reports and the details they gave of the size and nature of the craft and its pilot.

  53. The last step (obligatory) by CycleMan · · Score: 1

    5) Profit!!!

  54. A few more cool titles - by GeorgeTheNorge · · Score: 1

    Bob Fulton and the Amazing Soda Pop Factory, great geek stuff, and uber funny.

    Secret Agents Four (The same author as Hardy Boys, but a different pen name - Donald Sobol) - More technoid than HB's.

    Anybody have any info on the Bob Fulton book?

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    If you got a $100 bill, put your hands up...
  55. Bill Nye was the downfall of kids science by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There was no "competing concept". What there was was Beakman, who did interesting projects and had a great sense of humor.

    Then came along Bill Nye with the weight of Disney behind him, which outmarketed Beakman with a watered down science show with little real value, so bland that it made no impact on kids.

    Bill Nye was the bastard that killed off any real interest in science because it pushed out all other forms of kid-oriented science media with bland watered down science of little significance.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Bill Nye was the downfall of kids science by ah.clem · · Score: 1

      Dude. Back in the late 50's - early 60's there was a guy with a show that defined geekdom for those of us who are "of the Geeze" - Don Herbert, "Mister Wizard". Never missed a Saturday show. He's the reason I got my first microsocpe and chemistry set - and proceeded to set the basement on fire. No neat explosion story, just a wicked cool alcohol burner and a passion to see what just might burn. Hehehe. Man, did I get my ass kicked for that! Mr. Wizard's stuff was always tame on the surface, but contained the grain of scientific truth needed to extrapolate bitchin' weapons if you just thought hard enough about it. Vinegar and baking soda and a cork made a cool little power boat. Vinegar and baking soda in a almost full to bursting balloon tossed into the sister's bedroom made for a nasty mess! Heh. Good ol' days! Bill Nye was a lightweight.

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      "Life is not magic." Dr. Ron Weiss - "If we don't play God, who will?" Dr. James Watson
    2. Re:Bill Nye was the downfall of kids science by Theaetetus · · Score: 1
      Back in the late 50's - early 60's there was a guy with a show that defined geekdom for those of us who are "of the Geeze" - Don Herbert, "Mister Wizard".

      That long ago? I watched him growing up on Nickalodeon in the afternoons through the 80's... Might have been re-runs, but judging by fashions (clothing and hair), color video techniques, calculators, and his Heath kit robots, I'm guessing they were new runs. Seriously rocked, though. I still remember him showing how the slight vacuum created by a large sheet of newsprint could snap a yard stick in half. That, and shattering the liquid-nitrogen-frozen rose with a hammer. Woohoo!

      -T

  56. 12 year old's Terrorist Mustard Gas factory... by bjelkeman · · Score: 1

    My old chemistry set quickly fell into dissuse, unless I took it out to make mustard gas (or whatever it really was, but that was what they said in the manual). Imagine the headlines:

    "12 year old's Terrorist Mustard Gas factory discovered".

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  57. I remember that book... by McCrapDeluxe · · Score: 1

    I'm currently 15, and read it in 5th grade. It was pretty old at the time, but still quite amusing.

  58. Remember the dinosaur one? by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 1

    That was an confusing ending. DID Harvey Muldoon's gang fake it again?

  59. Re:This review needs a Disclaimer by refactored · · Score: 1
    It's all wrong anyway. The girls like babies. Just try it. Walk around a shopping mall with a cute little baby and see how they come a flocking. I speak from experience. Ignore scars, big motors, money.

    Babies. The cuter, the smaller, the better. If you show some willingness and ability at changing stinky nappies the higher you rate.

  60. Wow - that brought back memories. by azav · · Score: 1

    Those books totally fell off my radar but were just so great to wile away those boring summers outside of Boston.

    Thanks to the poster for the trip in the wayback machine.

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    - Zav - Imagine a Beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...
  61. Ka..Boom by GnarlyNome · · Score: 1

    Grandma got a new kitchen out of my fireworks experiments (Hint do NOT dry blackpowder in a wood stove)

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    Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice doggie" until you can find a rock. Will Rogers
  62. Hey! I resemble that remark... by B747SP · · Score: 4, Funny
    I learned how to make hot air ballons from those books! My Mother made us follow the balloons around town on our bicycles to make sure they came down somewhere safe... "You'll set fire to some old lady's washing line!".

    'course, when I was a boy, wheelie bins didn't exist, so we had to trawl around the cheap supermarkets for the really cheap (ie: really thin and light) regular sized bins. Nowadays, 300+litre lightweight garbage bags can be had as cheap as ten for a dollar. Today's kids get it easy. We had to walk five miles to the shop, and carry the bags back on our shoulders, uphill both ways

    My brother learned garbage bag hot air ballooning by another means: The Really Cool Science Teacher method. As he tells it, they were shown how to make the balloons, but were instructed that they must fly them tethered, "for safety reasons". The teacher gave them nylon fishing line to tether the balloons with, and showed them how to tie it nice and tight to the centre of the frame, right beside the petrol-soaked rag....

    Apparently the Really Cool Teacher even pretended to be surprised when the tether burned through ;-)

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  63. True... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I was not around for Mr. Wizard, but I respect him a great deal. While Beakman was no Mr. Wizard to be sure, he was a lot closer than Bill Nye, The Vapid Guy!

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  64. +5 INSIGHTFUL by kinnell · · Score: 1
    they're more likely to die in some tragic, yet totally accidental, way

    As someone who bears a noticeable scar from diving through a window while sleepwalking, I can confirm your hypothesis.

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    If I seem short sighted, it is because I stand on the shoulders of midgets
  65. Do you think that's what I saw? by Bertie · · Score: 1

    Now, I'm a sensible, sane individual, most of the time anyway. And I'd only had a couple of beers at the time. But a couple of weeks ago I, and two others in my company, saw something we were initially at a loss to explain.

    I was at the legendary Glastonbury Festival (now, I know some of you are rolling your eyes already, but I can assure you, drugs were not involved here), sitting outside my tent in the wee hours of the morning. We were right near the edge of the site, about 50 yards from the fence, sort of on the crest of a gentle hill. To our left was part of the festival, though the main stages were behind us as we looked. To the right was "nowt but fields".

    Anyway, from the left, at a low altitude, maybe 100 feet or less, and about 50 yards away at their closest point, came three steadily-glowing orange lights, like dim lightbulbs. They were moving relatively slowly - I'd guess they were going slower than a man could run. They were all individual points of light, rather than joined, and they moved from left to right, straight and level. One was a bit behind the other two, and when they came to about the 11 o'clock position, it started to accelerate, and overtook them 10-15 seconds later. They kept going until seemingly sinking down at the 3 o'clock position - though it was impossible to be sure that they actually did sink down, it might've just looked that way because of the perspective. There was no noise whatsoever from the lights.

    Anyway, myself and the other two people I was with were pretty spooked, but after discussing it a bit, we decided that it was probably these paper lanterns with candles in. Thing is, though, there wasn't really any wind to speak of - and how would the wind make one accelerate past the others anyway? The fact that it came from the direction of the Green Fields makes it more likely that people were responsible - if it had come the other way, we really would have been stumped for an explanation.

    So if it was the lantern things, I can vouch for their efficacy. If it wasn't, well...