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Microsoft Wins Homeland Security Contract

syzme writes "According to The Register (as well as Reuters and News.com), 'The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has signed a deal for Microsoft software worth something in the region of $100 million, covering servers and over 140,000 desktops. This does not however mean that Microsoft and its hench-OEM Dell are poised to hoover up all of the Department's lovely IT budget, nor indeed that this is all new money for them; largely, it seems to be more a case of Microsoft holding onto business it's already got.'" This shouldn't be much of a surprise -- remember the Federal government is already Microsoft's biggest customer.

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  1. Obligatory jokes by Surak · · Score: 2, Funny

    May the obligatory lame Microsoft/Security jokes begin! Fire away!

    1. Re:Obligatory jokes by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 5, Funny

      Okay, in light of this purchase, the department has been renamed to the Department of Homeland Insecurity.

      Hahaha. Oh I kill me, I do.

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    2. Re:Obligatory jokes by The+Other+White+Boy · · Score: 2, Funny

      ooh, ooh. i got another one! "Microsoft and Homeland Security! Greatest oxymoron since Microsoft Works!"

      sorry, I'm bored. but i can see this thread will be a fun one already.

    3. Re:Obligatory jokes by pheared · · Score: 5, Funny

      Isn't that supposed to be: "Well, there goes the Network Neighborhood."

    4. Re:Obligatory jokes by VonSnaggle · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybee theyre building a huge honeypot....

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    5. Re:Obligatory jokes by revery · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is known as "Security through inaccessibility"

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      or the Son of God hanging dead and bloodied on a cross that told me this was a world condemned, but loved and bought with blood.

    6. Re:Obligatory jokes by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Does this mean we now have a NEW color in the security threat level system?

      We are now at threat level "BLUE"...............

      please reboot.

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    7. Re:Obligatory jokes by zulux · · Score: 2, Funny

      Isn't that supposed to be: "Well, there goes the Network Neighborhood."

      Hey! Microsoft spent a lot of money testing unser interfaces, and after 5.23 million dollers, 121,002 man-hours, and two os revision they chand it: it now "My Network Places"

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    8. Re:Obligatory jokes by bobbuck · · Score: 5, Funny
      I can see the Onion headline:

      Terrorists applaud selection of Microsoft for Department of Homeland Security.

      Information Technology consultants for Al Qaeda were pleased with the the US government selection of Microsoft to supply the Dept. of Homeland Security with servers and over 140,000 desktops. Mohammed Al'Hacker beamed, "Microsoft systems allow for unmatched file sharing and remote access. We will save millions of dollars by simply being able access Homeland Security databases over the internet, rather than having to pay for bribes and expensive operatives. We are so pleased that the infidels chose 'open data' over 'open source.'" ....

    9. Re:Obligatory jokes by jpsst34 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bin Laden: All Your Homeland Security Are Belong To Us!

      Tom Ridge: What you say?!

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    10. Re:Obligatory jokes by killmenow · · Score: 2, Funny

      How 'bout this:

      Unknown: Knock. Knock.
      DHS: Who's there?
      (silence)
      DHS: AAAAGGGHHH!!!!! (falls to floor, dead)
      *_*-*_*-*_*-* h4x0r3d *_*-*_*-*_*-*
      M$: Oh, shit...forgot to lock the back door...

      Yeah, I know...where's "unfunny" when you need it?

    11. Re:Obligatory jokes by MarkGriz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Here goes:

      "If we install Microsoft software in the DHS, then the terrorists have won"

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    12. Re:Obligatory jokes by EvilAlien · · Score: 4, Funny

      That'll be funny right up until a worm gets into some highly cleared officer's laptop and sends out a copy of "OperationChineseFreedom.doc" to his Address Book.

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    13. Re:Obligatory jokes by LouisZepher · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hmm, from all the alerts and such, I was begining to think that there were only Yellow and Orange with a boogieman-esque Red level. ^^

  2. Well... by curtlewis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So much for security in our homeland...

    Given Microsoft's record of continual failure with regards to security, I've always thought putting MS in charge of security (as with Palladium) was like asking the wolf to guard the sheep.

  3. Somewhere... by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Somewhere, in a deep dark cave, some terrorists are having a jolly good laugh.

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    1. Re:Somewhere... by panty-sniffer · · Score: 2, Funny

      They shouldn't laugh. Homeland Security will now have the "Windows Update" technology. Let's see them get by that!

  4. WEll, good news and bad news. by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Good news: Orwellian homeland securty is now going to lose all your data as fast as it collects it.
    Bad News: "In other news, After extensive backround checks by homeland security, Mr. Nedal Nib Amaso is now head of NTSB....."

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    1. Re:WEll, good news and bad news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nedal Nib Amaso

      That is Osama Bin Laden spelled in reverse order.

    2. Re:WEll, good news and bad news. by PD · · Score: 2, Funny

      Windows will just truncate that to Osama~1

  5. In other news by Diclophis · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Homeland Security Advisory System's current threat level has been elevated to 'blue' (Immanent threat of terrorism due to blue screen)

  6. Security Issues by jared_hanson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Security can only be as good as the most insecure point, which doesn't make me feel to good about Microsoft winning this contract.

    Imagine this senario: DoHS employee writes up a memo about who they are currently profiling and what information they have on file and saves it to his hard drive. Some terrorist writes an e-mail virus designed to send word file back to an account he can access. He then sends this virus to a department account where it spreads and sensitive information is transmitted back to the terrorist.

    Virusus like these have already been proven viable in MS Outlook. One can only hope that they are taking the appropriate measures to ensure that all employees have their computers locked down tight.

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    1. Re:Security Issues by I8TheWorm · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except that, specifically in the CIA, outside internet connections are handled on seperate pc's that the agent has to switch over to using a KVM, making it all but impossible to send a virus to their network. I'd have to imagine that the DHS would be set up similarly.

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    2. Re:Security Issues by pizen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your scenerio assumes information that sensitive is just freely available on a computer open to the internet. But classified information isn't transmitted lightly. Classified hard drives aren't on open networks and classified documents don't get emailed.

    3. Re:Security Issues by LordHunter317 · · Score: 2, Informative

      No it doesn't, because that would cost the person their job. Classified and above grade data doesn't get f-d around with, ever.

    4. Re:Security Issues by NialScorva · · Score: 3, Informative

      They shouldn't even have a KVM. If you work on a government site, you get more slack than a contractor, but you still usually have to have an air-barrier between machines of different classifications. Same thing applies for projects of different classifications, usually.

      Contractors negotiate the level of seperation, but it's not uncommon that machines of different classification aren't allowed in the same room as each other.

    5. Re:Security Issues by n0ano · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're ignoring the story of ex-CIO director John Deutch who used a computer containing classified information to surf the web from his home. All the security procedures in the world will not protect you from the person who feels that the rules just don't apply to him.

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  7. Site by kruczkowski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the reasons the Feds are MS's biggist customer is becouse almost every computer has two, even three licences. Most organizations buy a site licences and then get one with the Dell PC. If only Dell sold PC's without licences...

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    1. Re:Site by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative
      Dell does sell computers without an OS if you are a business or government. They will even substract the OS cost from the price of the machine. They cannot not do the same for home computers because of a contract they had with MS that basically stated since Dell was getting such a good deal on Windows licenses, they could not sell computers that didn't come with an OS.

      Since businesses usually purchase a volume license, businesses needed an option not to buy Windows again. To get around this, Dell will ship computers with a lite version of DOS. You can't really do much with this version of DOS, but if your company is installing your volume license anyways, you don't need it.

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  8. Can we review the contract? by eaddict · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since MS did a bid, can we get a list of competing bids as well as criteria? It would be interesting to review...

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    1. Re:Can we review the contract? by caseydk · · Score: 4, Informative

      The RFP (Request for Proposal) should be public information. They're not always easy to find, but they're out there.

      Bids, on the other hand, are usually confidential. Pricing models, extra services offered, exact numbers of everything is not available to make sure that bidders don't game (ie, low-ball) their bid to kill the other guy.

    2. Re:Can we review the contract? by amithv · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you file a FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) request you can get the winning bid (even if you can't find it on a website). Just call the DHS Contracting office and ask them for it. If they refuse ask them to give you the number of the person who handles FOIA requests in their department. I looked at the DHS website and there are several contact #'s so I don't know which one should be contacted...

      also anyone see this?

      Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft has landed a $470-plus million contract to issue software to the U.S. Army. Bloomberg reported it was the "biggest order ever for the company's programs. The deal covers 494,000 desktop computers, Microsoft spokesman Keith Hodson said. The Army will buy the software from a Microsoft reseller, Softmart, based in Downingtown, Pa. Hodson declined to say how the companies will divide the revenue," the wire service said.

      from july 25, 2003

  9. RE: surprise by theNote · · Score: 5, Insightful


    This shouldn't be much of a surprise -- remember the Federal government is already Microsoft's biggest customer.

    No, it shouldn't.

    The US federal government is the largest purchaser of goods and services in the world.

    The above statement seems to imply something ugly, when in fact MANY companies' largest customer is the federal government.

  10. so publishing an advisory about microsoft software by kipple · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...will be illegal and a sign of terrorism?

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  11. This is news in only one sense by Badgerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That it's a lot of money. Otherwise it seems to be pretty par for the course and nothing really noteworthy.

    Now a move AWAY from Microsoft would be news.

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  12. I can see the website already... by WegianWarrior · · Score: 4, Funny

    "This security patch addresses both previous and newly discovered security vulnerabilities pertaining to homeland security."

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  13. The dirty little secret is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    that DHS already has many Open Source (and non-MS) apps widely deployed... They are extensively using Apache, Squid, Open Office (in some places) and things like Java for other day to day operations...

    Some of their integration efforts are mentioned here:

    http://www.govexec.com/features/1202/1202managet ec h.htm

    (Disclaimer: I work for DHS.)

  14. You'd think.. by gerf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That they'd make use of SE Linux, since they helped develop it.

    Also, you'd think they'd want a variety of O/S's, ect, for security purposes.

    It shall be very funny/ironic when "Homeland Security" gets hacked due to some newfound MS flaw. Actually, i'm frightened, as they will probably have ever detail they can glean from every person they can, opened up to some arsehole

    1. Re:You'd think.. by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Using a viarety of operating systems does not lend greater security. You're suggesting a sort of bastardized security through obscurity, wherein an attacker is not sure which OS is on Machine X even though he's already compromised Machine Y and knows everything about it - not a good method. Furthermore, even if this did help security and having multiple operating systems running would introduce complexity in that patches would have to be monitored for multiple systems. All operating systems are going to need a patch or two at some point.

      If you've got 1,000 machines running Win XP and a new patch is released, you've got one patch to apply 1,000 times. If you've got 1,000 machines running fifteen operating systems, and a new patch is released for each OS, you've got 15 patches to apply. If you're going to run a secure network, you want to have a homogenous environment throughout. That way, once you've got Machine 1 secure, you know the others are also secure. You may argue that if Machine 1 is compromised, then all the rest will be compromised as well. But the problem with that argument is that if Machine 1 is compromised, even if the rest of the machines (assuming they're running different operating systems) are fine, you've still got a compromise and in government and business matters - one is too many.

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  15. Welcome! by broller · · Score: 5, Funny

    I for one welcome our new technology overlords!

  16. Paperclip Jokes... by harvey_peterson · · Score: 5, Funny

    I see you are trying to bomb a country.

    Would you like help?
    -Get help with bombing the country
    -Just bomb the country without help

    1. Re:Paperclip Jokes... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 4, Funny
      Clippy: I see you are trying to run your police state. Would you like help:

      -collecting data on pirates from WMP?
      -sending 'public service' announcements via Hotmail?
      -lock down computers of P2P users, who are probably terrorists?
      -forcing users to upgrade their computers to Windows 84?

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  17. DHS? eeeeeeak! by whitelabrat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Crap! Sure won't be the Department of Homeland Stability.

  18. A choice of unpleasant possibilities by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Given Microsoft's record of continual failure with regards to security, I've always thought putting MS in charge of security (as with Palladium) was like asking the wolf to guard the sheep.

    Given that 'homeland security' is really a euphemism for something between 'Big Brother' ("total informational awareness" etc.) and 'Political Police', I for one am relieved they are sufficiently incompetent to select Microsoft as their platform. This may, and I stress may, slow down our slide into a complete surveillance society submerged beneath ubiquitous governance.

    Or not, as it may be just the prelude needed for even more draconian legislation and public hysteria when Microsoft's chronic security issues begin to affect our perceived safety, leading to the unpleasant irony of having the technical ability to monitor and ubiquitously govern every man, woman, child, dog, cat, and garden slug in the country diminished while providing the political excuse for accelerating legislation through congress that makes the former pre-Gorbochov soviet parliament look positively liberal by comparison.

    What we do know for certain is that it puts a lot of money in the pockets of a convicted monopolist, which isn't helpful to anyone (other than said monopolist).

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  19. Re:um... by Shadowhawk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have no problem with the actions of MS here. The actions of the Dept. of Homeland Security on the other hand...

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  20. Wow! by C_Kode · · Score: 2, Funny

    Someone actually got the words Microsoft and Security in the same subject line! :)

  21. Re:Well... by KillerHamster · · Score: 5, Funny

    So much for Homeland "Security".


    Now now, let's not be so quick to criticize. Securing Microsoft systems is extremely simple:


    1. Shut down computer
    2. Unplug computer
    3. Lock computer in vault
    4. Place armed guards in front of vault
    5. Security!
  22. Homeland Security personnel will train... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...using the sophisticated simulation of minesweeper.

  23. No laughing matter by Pettifogger · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Does anyone realize how often foreign governments and entities are spying on US corporations? There's a lot of industrial espionage out there.

    Of course, the government is not only collecting information on individuals, they collect it on anything we're involved in, including our jobs and businesses.

    It's pretty well-documented that Microsoft's software is full of holes and that they're not particularly good at fixing them. Witness Microsoft's own computers being taken down by a worm. My concern is that we've just given not-so-well-intentioned foreign parties a free pass to take a look at everything that's going on in the United States. Holes and hacks will be found. If they really cared about "security," they'd use a blend of different programs and software. Sure, a little more work, but a lto more work to penetrate.

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  24. You never understood why did you? by twitter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From 1984

    'There are three stages in your reintegration,' said O'Brien. 'There is learning, there is understanding, and there is acceptance. It is time for you to enter upon the second stage.' ...

    Do you remember writing in your diary, "I understand how: I do not understand why"? It was when you thought about "why" that you doubted your own sanity. ...

    'You are ruling over us for our own good,' he said feebly. 'You believe that human beings are not fit to govern themselves, and therefore --'

    He started and almost cried out. A pang of pain had shot through his body. O'Brien had pushed the lever of the dial up to thirty-five.

    'That was stupid, Winston, stupid!' he said. 'You should know better than to say a thing like that.'

    'Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?'

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  25. A couple of counterpoints by Loundry · · Score: 2, Interesting

    what would be the surprise? did MS do anything illegal here? or are they doing what companies do for fun; MAKING MONEY?

    The problem I see here is that Microsoft's customer is the government. Where did the government get their money? Did they work hard and earn it? Hell, no! They took it by force. If the government wants more money, do they have to work harder for it or cut expenses (like the rest of us do)? Of course not! They just haul out the guns and take it! So, no, they didn't do anything illegal. They did something that is anti-freedom.

    please stop looking at everything microsoft does as immoral - they are a company, their purpose is to make money.

    Lots of Leftists think that making money is inherently immoral. I am not one of them, so your argument here is ineffective on me. I think Microsoft is immoral for other reasons. These are reasons for which they have never apologized, for which they have never tried to make amends, and that they show no signs of stopping.

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    1. Re:A couple of counterpoints by Loundry · · Score: 2, Informative

      ok... what's the problem? i can't seem to find it... anti freedom? WHAT?????

      As a taxpayer, am I free to NOT pay for Microsoft software? No! The government takes my money and buys Microsoft software with it. Microsoft, like so many other unprincipled companies who value money over freedom, beg like starving mongrels at the thought of taxpayer-plundered money.

      please explain to me the reasons MS is immoral.

      My god, where to start?

      1. Microsoft developed poor-quality software that people were content to live with merely because Microsoft was able to hold onto a huge market share. People are accustomed to the idea that "computers are unstable" and "need to be rebooted frequently" -- problems created by Microsoft if by anyone.
      2. Microsoft created and fosters the virus protection industry.
      3. Microsoft has a vested interest in things such as incompatible and secret file formats in order to compel people spend more money on software.
      4. Microsoft uses the BSA to threaten those who don't comply with its will.
      5. Microsoft does not honor the refund that it states on its EULA.
      6. Microsoft lied about the difference between NT Worstation and NT Server in order to force the sale of IIS.
      7. Microsoft lied about the technical differences between Direct3D and OpenGL in order to force developers to learn an API that it controlled.
      8. Microsoft compelled computer makers to not ship dual-boot systems by threatening to take away the Windows license of any computer manufacturer who violated Microsoft's will.

      I can go on and on. I an totally willing to discuss any of the points I've brought up here if it would help you understand why I think Microsoft is immoral. I will not accept any claim that my reasons are "petty", for what is "petty" to one is earth-shattering to another.

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  26. Details of Microsoft/Homeland Security contract... by securitas · · Score: 5, Informative


    ... courtesy of the rejected post machine. The government sector news sites are always good - and usually better - for details about contracts of this sort:

    Microsoft/Dell Gets $90-$120 Million Homeland Security Contract

    Microsoft has been awarded the five-year, $90 million Department of Homeland Security contract for desktop and server software. The contract will be managed by Dell and will provide the DHS with 140,000 desktops running Windows XP and Microsoft Office Professional. When consolidated with current agreements, the contract amounts to a six-year agreement covering 144,000 desktops, worth between $110 million and $120 million. This follows the $478 million, six-year deal with the Army announced last month. More at the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Washington Post, InformationWeek, the Register , eWEEK, and Reuters.

  27. Re:um... by egarrido16 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not happy when my government uses a convicted and virtually unchanged monopoly for big $$$ business.

    I thought the United States government was supposed to protect the market from these monopolies, not protect the monopolies from the market.

    Eric

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  28. blah $100,000,000 by mwolff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I always thought that the Department of Home Security was a temporary thing. I guess this is a wake up call for me. I always thought that Department of Home Security would just, go away.
    Something you invest $100,000,000 is designed to stay.

  29. Re:um... by Allegro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not the morality of Microsoft in question, I don't believe.

    Rather, I'm inclined to ask myself why the government is such a dedicated customer to a known criminal. Let's see, we convict Microsoft for monopolistic crimes (for the second time), and then we turn around and help solidify the monopoly ourselves.

    For the cost of licensing softare from Microsoft, they could be training their employees to use a more permenant solution, they could be saving taxpayers money into the future, and they could put a big ol' metaphorical boot into Microsoft's collective arse.

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  30. What a shame by tech2k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is worse than those 600 dollar hammers a few years back.90 million dollars wasted on winXp and officeXp.What can they do with that software that I cant do with free debian and openoffice?

  31. Just remember by Telastyn · · Score: 3, Funny

    The US government is pretty much *everyones'* biggest customer.

  32. In a perfect (and more secure) world. by techstar25 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has signed a deal for MandrakeSoft Linux software worth something in the region of $0 (free), covering servers and over 140,000 desktops."

    Instead they paid $100 million of our tax dollars to a company who is breaking antitrust laws. Maybe Microsoft isn't the bad guy here.

  33. Honestly by Blitzshlag · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is there any other real option for the government? I'm assuming everyone here wants a distro of Linux to be the government's OS of choice. Which one? Red Hat? Are they a large enough company to ensure 24/7 tech support on the governments' 140,000 computers? I don't know, and I don't think the government does either. I think Microsoft was the safe choice. Granted it's not the more secure operating system, but their needs go beyond that.

  34. Why is everyone hatin' on Microsoft? by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Alright, so they have some small security holes. The fact remains, however, that if you keep your security patches up to date, you'll be about as secure as one can be on the internet.

    The reason that everyone (including the federal guvnment) still uses Microsoft is because, It Just Works(TM). I can pull windows out of its box, put it in my computer, and have it running in about 30 minutes. I don't have to manually pick out kernel drivers like with debian, I don't have to worry about RedHat not recognizing half my hardware (like my ATI or my AC97 sound chip). I can take any lance corporal off the field, and with windows, he's most likely to know how to at least do basic stuff like surf the web, read e-mail, etc. If the guvment were to use Linux, they would have to spend additional manpower on installation, more man power keeping those boxes up to date (or pay money for RedHats up2date service), not to mention retraining a lot of staff on how to use these computers.

    Another reason for the Government choosing Windows is that they probally already have a majority of their services on windows, and to ask a Four Star General to approve a massive budget to switch away from what works to what might not work will take quite a bit of effort.

    Wow....that karma just burned brightly....

    1. Re:Why is everyone hatin' on Microsoft? by nordicfrost · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The reason that everyone (including the federal guvnment) still uses Microsoft is because, It Just Works(TM).


      The Windows "just works" thing is a myth. I would say that 2/3rds of the time, an HW installation in Windows works OK. But the remaining 1/3rd is practically impossible to solve for an end-user.


      Let me tell you the wonderful story of the Microsoft Bluetooth Mouse. I got hold of one of these right after Christmas and went home to try it out. As I was putting the CD in the computer, I noticed that i said "MS XP only". I was running 2000 at the time (Now running RedHat 8). OK, so I couldn't use the Bluetooth device on my computer without paying additional MS tax.

      OK, so I gave it to a friends girlfriend who had XP on the computer. She couldn't install it, so I went up to her to install the device. I put the CD in the machine and was told that I needed XP SP1 to do this. Fuckin' L. OK. The XP SP1 CD was included was after 30 minutes, it was installed on her computer. Reboot, and try the Bluetooth driver CD again. It seemed to install something but it soon told me that since I did not use the English, Spanish, French, German, Arabic, Chinese, Chinese (simplified), Japanese, Danish or Swedish language, the drivers could not be installed. (She had Norwegian installed) DAMN IT!


      After the failed attempt to get the Microsoft product to work on another Microsoft product, I went to my mother to have a look at her new iBook. I though that just for kicks, I could put the MS Bluetooth dongle in the Mac USB port. So I did, and... ...nothing. No dialogs, no driver installs. Then suddenly, a new icon on the screen! A Bluetooth icon. It worked. Flawlessly. It communicated with my Sony Ericsson t68i AND the Microsoft mouse.


      Go figure.

  35. Numerous Pluses by felonious · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you think about the reliability, uptime, and random reboot problems with many MS products then this could be great for us citizens.

    We know all of the attempts to restrict our personal freedoms with wire taps, internet/email monitoring, and the ideology to put all of the collected info into a massive database for those who have the clearance to peruse. The best thing is, although, they might have your most personal info it will probably be collected and stored by a MS product.

    What does that mean? It means it will either disapear or just spontaneously fragment and corrupt itself! Why our goverment chooses bloatware over dependablity and functionality is beyond me but they were never known for being frugal or making the best decisions in terms of bang for the buck. I'm sure MS is practically giving it away just to keep the business anyway.

    It makes you wonder how many fuckups happen just out of using MS software. I'm not saying it's the worst or best because it does have it's use but since this story is about our goverment using it I'd prefer a more stable and dependable os/desktop. When I think of mixing MS software with our goverment all I see is the movie "Wargames" and that's not a nice thought.

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  36. So... by superdan2k · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...will we be handing out EULAs to anyone that wants to have diplomatic ties with us?

    "...By installing this embassy, you absolve the United States Government of any responsibility for lost revenue, citizens, or infrastructure. Furthermore, you agree that you will not attempt to negatively influence the revenue, citizens, or infrastructure of the United States..."

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  37. You think YOU'RE pissed off.... by TerryAtWork · · Score: 4, Funny

    Think how Larry Ellison feels!

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  38. USCG Passed by TheConfusedOne · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hear the Coast Guard is trying to get an exemption from having to use Windows.

    Too many open ports. :-D

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  39. Those machines will be secure! by gilesjuk · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm sure they'll secure those machines well, padlocks, keycard entry systems.

    Oh you meant the OS.... :)

  40. Switch by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 5, Funny

    One night, I was like, writing a report on how Iraq was trying to buy yellowcake from Nigeria, when all of a sudden it went berserk, the screen started flashing, it was like BEEP BEEP BEEP and the whole paper just disappeared. All of it. And it was a good report! I had to cram and rewrite it really quickly. Needless to say, my rushed report wasn't nearly as good, and now Tony Blair is like, in danger of losing his job!

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  41. I'll avoid the obvious joke, and say this: by TheLastUser · · Score: 2, Funny

    2003 fiscal deficit is now 500,100,000,000.

    A synopsis of the /. opinions on this development are as follows:

    Microsoft wins contract for homeland security?

    -I feel safer already.
    -What's that, an oxymoron?
    -We would have caught Osamma but the server was down.
    -We could have caught Saddam but the server had a virus.
    -We could have stopped xyz but they were using unix and we couldn't read the file format.
    -In the interests of national security all computers must now run Windows.
    -Please change all NSC keys in the hive to DHS.
    -All you base are belong to us.

  42. Legal residence in the USA... by fehlschlag · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...will require activation through the Dept. Homeland Security. You may achieve this through a simple https connection via any Passport server.
    Please be aware that any relocation, or weight change, may require a new activation, since for homeland security purposes, your personal activation code will consist of a special combination of address, phone number, SSN, and weight.

  43. Yikes!! Must read more carefully. by Ikeya · · Score: 2, Funny

    At first I thought it said "Microsoft wins homeland security CONTEST". My jaw hit the floor. Then I re-read it and realized nothing had changed. *whew*

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  44. Gov't Lip Service by RembrandtX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    at least we can now acertain that the government isn't REALLY serious about this issue.

    I mean .. the words security and Microsoft are pretty much polar opposites - unless your talking about cash reserves.

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  45. Re:Well... by pmz · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...I've always thought putting MS in charge of security (as with Palladium) was like asking the wolf to guard the sheep.

    Perhaps one of these analogies would work, too:

    It's like putting a steel door on a cardboard box.
    It's walking into a battlefield backwards.
    It's like carrying a tiger-repellant rock.
    It's like driving eyes-closed because "God is my pilot (or whatever)"

    Basically, Microsoft + Homeland Security = a smoking hole that will become the ocean separating Mexico and Canada.

  46. Dude, the deal is with Dell, not Microsoft by bbc22405 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    (When, oh when, will people start reading the article?)

    As others have observed, Microsoft is not the big winner here, although it is a winner. It gets to consolidate and aggregate its existing business, and sure it's probably squeezing Apple, IBM, etc some more here and there with this contract. And sure, it has locked down this portion of market share for FIVE MORE YEARS, which is bad. But...

    The big winner is Dell. It's administering all this software business. It skims whatever it can before passing the lion's share on to Microsoft. It acquires a huge list of potential "customers" and tries to sell them Dell hardware. And it squeezes out a bunch of small fry who were ensconced in cozy government contracts. Excerpted from Government Computer News:
    http://www.gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/22743-1. html:

    The department reached the agreement earlier this month, after inviting nine bidders, including GTSI Corp. of Chantilly, Va., and MarkSoft Management Resources Inc. of Canterbury, N.H., to present proposals.

    Seriously, who are those two companies that got mentioned? Either wannabees, or hasbeens. Dell ate their lunch, and Dell has some other merchandise it would enjoy selling to the 280,000 eyeballs it just acquired for the next five years.

  47. Re:At least they didn't choose Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I dont' know man, you're linking unneducated anti linux FUD. It's not a matter of opinion, but lack of information.

    I would be curious to know if you've actually looked at data, and come to the conclusion that Linux is less secure than Windows stuff. If that's the case, I might suggest that you keep on reading and get the whole picture!

    Cuz security really couldn't get much worse than MS offerings.

    What I'm saying is, wether or not you mean to troll, that's the net effect. If you do have a compelling reason as to why Linux would have been a poor security choice (clue: your link isn't it!), then I'm sure most people would like to hear it.

    (moderators: yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think I just took the bait on this troll)

  48. Ah, relief by minion · · Score: 2, Funny

    I feel so much better. I was starting to see 1984 come true, where cameras spied on all of the citizens, and you were tracked for the sole point of tracking. Now I can feel relief, cuz when I take a piss in the bushes outside of a QuickyMart, I know their servers won't be recording me, they'll be rebooting so they can install yet another windows critical update (tm)

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  49. You've got to love it... by TygerFish · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The single largest company ever to warn people not to use their software for life-and-death situations, is now going to have an exclusive with the government to help prevent the next 9/11 attack.

    Considering that the only (repeat: only ) effective Microsoft security measures to date are the ones that prevent people who've already stolen Windows-XP from upgrading it, it's pretty safe to say that we can all prepare to live with having any enemy who wants to know something knowing it while substantial numbers of us sit around glowing in the dark.

    Today's bonus question: 'will the government's relationship with Microsoft include a EULA that precludes the government's suing them when they screw up?'

    It's amazing what you can do to a society with enough money.

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  50. $43/hour... in cash or stock? by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Insightful
    > No wonder Windows cost so much. That's $43 per work hour!
    > And that would be 121 people working for 4 years!

    And remember! If you work for MSFT, now you get paid in restricted stock, not stock options!

    That's right! You pay all the income *tax* as if you'd cashed in stock options up front, and you get all the *risk* of owning stock! Don't you feel more motivated already? 80-hour work weeks for everyone! Woohoo!

    (Sorry, son, too many of you became millionaires in the last boom. Can't have that happen again. Stock options are only for the important people now.)

  51. Recently bid on some DHS projects by Foz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I did some short term consulting work with a company recently to help them prepare some bids on the last BAA (Broad Agency Announcement) sent out by the DHS. The scope and scale of the projects that were in the request were quite interesting, with some that were tailor made for linux (wearable computing initiatives, anyone?).

    We haven't heard any updates on the bid selection, but after looking at a good portion of those potential projects I can truthfully say that Microsoft is going to have a really tough time filling the required roles for many of them, let alone doing it securely.

  52. Windows-DHS Activation Key by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Funny
    > Good news: Orwellian homeland securty is now going to lose all your data as fast as it collects it.
    > Bad News: "In other news, After extensive backround checks by homeland security, Mr. Nedal Nib Amaso is now head of NTSB....."

    Surveying the smoldering crater, President Ballmer was heard to remark "Y'know, they should have known that J0N45H-C40FT15-054M4-B1NL4-D3NIN-4-P16-5U1T wasn't a valid activation key."

  53. Price per machine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    $100 million / 140,000 = $714.29

    Do they really need to buy seven hundred dollars of software for each computer? That must be comparable to the cost of the hardware. And people *still* consider Microsoft a viable option?

  54. Open mouth, insert foot by goldspider · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I just so happen to work for the Department of the Navy, and have since before the current administration.

    And even before I started working on the base, you know what just about every workstation was? Micron P3 550MHz boxes. You know what OS was running on them? Microsoft Windows NT. Every one of them.

    So don't try to tell me that large-scale government computer contracts are new and unique to the Bush administration. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

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  55. Re:Big deal by Happy+go+Lucky · · Score: 2, Informative
    What I want to know is, what technologies are they using to integrate all those different computer systems? That has to be a nightmare and a half.

    In general, DHS has been an organizational nightmare and a half. Remember how much they had to integrate from the rest of the US government?

    They basically took over US Customs-part of the Dep't of the Treasury for two centuries.

    The Immigration and Naturalization Service and it's sub-component, the US Border Patrol, have long been part of the Dep't of Justice. Those two agencies essentially were meant to regulate who and what crossed the US borders, but were part of separate (and rival) cabinet-level departments. And the agency which controlled the issuance of visas to foreign nationals was part of the State Department, yet a third cabinet department.

    The Federal Protective Service, basically a police department and physical security consulting service for most nonmilitary Federal property, was part of the General Services Administration's Public Buildings Service, an independent agency of office managers and real estate agents. Now they get to integrate into DHS.

    FEMA used to be an independent agency, which mainly oversaw disaster-reconstruction money, flood insurance, and model fire-prevention codes and training. Now they're in DHS.

    CIA was an independent agency. I think they're part of DHS now.

    In the name of duplication, the US Marshall's Service in the Dep't of Justice used to provide the same security function for Federal courts that the Federal Protective Service did for most other Federal property. DHS tried to take that away from them. Don't think they succeeded, though.

    The National Infrastructure Protection Center was taken away from FBI and added to DHS. It's a wonder the rest of the feebies were left alone.

    The US Coast Guard has traditionally been a part of the Department of Transportation during peacetime, and part of the Navy during wartime. They almost got sucked into DHS.

    When you fly into a US airport from abroad, you'll see three different uniforms before you can even worry about making a connecting flight. INS inspectors (white shirts with guns) check your passport. Now they're part of DHS. Then Customs inspectors (navy shirts with guns) to make sure you don't have any drugs or counterfeit blue jeans. And THEN white shirts without guns to ask you about fruits and vegetables and crop pests. They're a third agency, the US Dep't of Agriculture's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service. No shit, DHS almost took them over too.

    So, I think it's fair to say that IT integration is the least of the organizational headaches DHS will have this year.

  56. Re:Are the Linux zealots and comedians done now? by grwufwuf · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Those who know what they're doing (or think they do) like open systems because they can find answers without having to call up into some qued support line just to be told it was user error or thrid-party software to blame, anything but the OS, which is perfect, always, no discussions (unless some 'hacker' proves them wrong and the story hits CNN...). To be blatently biased as you already probably figured out about me: For those wothout a clue and no desire to get one, there's Microsoft.

    Reality isn't so black and white as this, and I know plenty of MS-centric people who know what they're talking about, just as many Mac people who know their wares, many of whom more experienced than me I'm sure. But to say that Linux has zero support suggests that documentation isn't counted, which I count and count on daily. Speaking of documentation, Try using MS's knowledgebase to find an article on a specific issue, then hop to google.com/linux and look up how to do something specific in Linux, then tell me which one procuded a usable answer faster and easier.

    As far as why more people don't use Linux, or any otehr OS, why not ask the hardware vendors that one. They sell the systems with Windows pre-installed to customers who have bought into the marketing over the years and are now floating though MS-land on auto-pilot. Someone interested in using Linux still for the most part has to install it themselves, something most people have no desire to do even to spite the OS they might percieve as evil (personally I don't think MS does anything any other profit-motivated entity would do given the position they're in; Everyone wants to own a monopoly in business, that's the reason we have public and consumer rights laws right?).

    I hear end-users say "Gates is evil", "Microsoft is an monopoly", etc, all the time, though relearning their own computer is too much to do to put their feelings into some action. I can't blame them. If I wasn't interested in this stuff in the first place I'd probably be in the same situation.

    Also when was the last time you saw an MS box act as a DDOS drone?

    Your kidding right? Look here.

  57. Re:Oxymoron by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Funny
    ...Military Intelligence?

    -with apologies to George Carlin...

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  58. 1 of 4 Horsemen have arrived... by X86Daddy · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... the next will be when Bugatti releases an SUV.

  59. Interesting by pmz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given that there is practically no defense being offered for Microsoft nor the Dept. of Homeland Security in the above discussion, one has to wonder why these large contracts keep occurring and occurring and occurring. If they aren't based on merit, then what? What hard arguments do companies provide to keep going along with Microsoft's products? It isn't as if there were no alternatives, historically, and TCO arguments are fallacious at best.

    The state of the current software industry makes me feel as if nothing is real and there is no reward for quality. It is really discouraging and makes me wonder if churning out more and more software is becoming counter-productive to the health of our civilization. Add in the recent economy, and I am beginning to see non-software-development and non-systems-administration jobs in my peripheral vision. These jobs are becoming more attractive, and it is almost to a point, where finding a job with no computer in sight is a compelling thought.

  60. we're screwed. by MoFoQ · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yup....we're definately screwed. Hell, just hearding the words "Microsoft" and "security" in the same phrase without a negation is disturbing.

    M$'s track record with security is worse than Exxon Valdez's record doubled.

    Plus, this adds to the $600 Hammer and $300 toilet seat issue.

  61. Threat level blue already exists by Dukeofshadows · · Score: 2, Informative

    It means "guarded condition", immediately above green ("low threat level") and below yellow ("elevated risk of terror attack"). Personally I find it redundant to have this department since the CIA, FBI, NSA, and DIA should have caught the 09/11 attacks before they happened in the first place. But nevertheless the "blue" level does exist.

    Links:

    http://www.volusiahealth.com/eh/PocketPC/Homelan d/ bluecondition.html

    http://www.ch1hawaii.com/n/hlsec/national_alert_ th reat_chart_4.html

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  62. wonderful by Dylan_t_p · · Score: 2, Insightful

    so basicly now terrorists don't have to try as hard as before to get in and on top of that microsoft is still ready to take over the world....oh well could have been worse rather than msft/dell it could have been msft-HP or msft/e-machines *shudders*

  63. Re:Mac OS X in government = bad idea by steeviant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a die hard OpenStep X user, I have to take issue with the idea that it runs hardly any software. I suppose that your comment is born of jealousy that OS X can run pretty much all of the software that Linux can as well as a fair proportion of commercial software that will remain beyond the reach of Linux users until someone gets enough mindshare to stabilize the libraries.

    FUD aside, I do agree that governments should stay the hell away from any single source supplier like MS or Apple, no matter how good their wares are. It's simply not good enough to spend hundreds of millions, or even billions of tax payer's money on something that could disappear in a puff of smoke if the head bean-counter somewhere decides it's no longer economically viable to keep producing it.

    Using open source doesn't neccessarily guarantee that a piece of software will continue to be made indefinitely, but it almost defintely does assure that somewhere out there is someone who knows enough about a given piece of software to patch security holes and misfeatures in the software, and it is quite likely that even if x86 hardware ceases to be available an open source OS will find new hardware to run on that can be introduced in the next upgrade cycle.

    OS/X, Windows or Solaris = tied down
    *BSD, *Linux* = free to move

    Governments should be free to move rather than at the behest of corporations. Of course, the reality is quite different. Pester your local politician about change, I do.