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Mozilla 1.5 Alpha Available
An anonymous reader writes "Mozilla.org released Mozilla v1.5 alpha today, with flavors available for Linux,
Mac OS X, and Windows. Some of the new features include Composer enhancements, Chatzilla logging, multiple tab window closing confirmation, and quicksearch support in about:config. A more detailed rough changelog is also available. In a somewhat related note, Mozilla 1.4 has been downloaded over a half million times in the past 3 weeks (not counting mirrors)."
Now I can enjoy some new and completely unnoticeable changes!!
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(O.o) This is Bunny. (> <)
Quicksearching in about:config was a much-needed feature. I always had trouble locating stuff in there, especially when I didn't know exactly what it was named.
Mozilla 1.4 has been downloaded over a half million times in the past 3 weeks (not counting mirrors)
Is that the *official* count, or the RIAA count?
Isnt 1.5 and forward supposed to be based on Firebird and not Mozilla? I didnt see that change anywhere in the simple release notes...
The Doormat
If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
Does camino have a future? No releases have been made since 0.7, quite some time ago. Should MacOS X users switch to Mozilla, or Firebird.
ObSafariSucks
will mozilla ever put MNG support back in?
I'd like to see Mozilla getting leaner with each release.
And stop with the features already.
Safari is where it is at anyway.
Those guys actually list about 500 issues they've taken care of with this release. Go people go! .zip file "as...," Moz appends a .x after the .zip extension
some useful ones imho
*Mozilla crashes when magnifier is used
*Browser crashes when javascript closes a window [@nsDocShell::InternalLoad]
*Save As > withoua> extention result is a html fila> and a directory > *When saving a
*mozilla can't subscribe to existing imap folders
*Browser crashes on HTTPS urls - Trunk M140RC1 [@cert_get_next_general_name
*Loading personal certificates
*pop3 password failed error msg missing
Has the Mozilla crew ever thought of quit making the browser as one giant, bloated super-applicaton and separate all the components into distinct, different programs in the spirit of IE/Outlook/FrontPage as well as Safari/Mail/iCal?
I know Firebird/Thunderbird/Dodobird exist but they seem like separate distinct projects, and the apps are definitely not as stable as stock Moz; trust me, I've used em all.
I mean, does my web browser REALLY need an IRC client?!
At this rate, Moz 1.6 will have an included oral sex plugin.
I always set
" , true);e .close", true);e .directo ries", true);e .locatio n", true);e .menubar ", true);e .minimiz able", true);e .persona lbar", true);e .resizab le", true);e .scrollb ars", true);e .status" , true);e .titleba r", true);e .toolbar ", true);g e", true);w ", true)
user_pref("dom.disable_window_flip", true);
user_pref("dom.disable_window_move_resize
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
user_pref("dom.disable_window_open_featur
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user_pref("browser.block.target_new_windo
to keep crappy web pages from disabling my menus.
I think the Mozilla developers have been doing an excellent job lately, especially with respect to choreographing releases with future development needs. --- the switch-over to Firebird could have been disasterous or annoying, but it's been smooth.
add it to their cd's so people can get a feel for it ?
Great! But Mozilla isn't complete until you've got MOUSE GESTURES. Honestly, I've found that mouse gestures coupled with tabbed browsing is such a more pleasant experience than anything that Microsoft is peddling. It seems that the best innovation is still coming from elsewhere and Microsoft is playing catch-up. Didn't I hear about IE having tabbed browsing in the next release?
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I see Mozilla news almost daily on Slashdot but where's the Opera news? Every small release of Mozilla however unimportant gets mentioned but not even the biggest Opera news gets mentioned. Opera doesn't even have it's own news Icon here on Slashdot. We should demand more Opera news because Opera 7.2 beta 2 came out today and I must say it's the best Opera ever (much better than that memory hogging vile beast of a pig Mozilla). Although no Linux version of beta 2 is out yet, only Windows, it is still news worthy of being on Slashdot. Here's the news announcement and heres some forums to talk about the new beta.
Some of the new features include Composer enhancements, Chatzilla logging, multiple tab window closing confirmation, and quicksearch support in about:config.
Oh thank Dog.
This is my only gripe about tabbed browsing, as it makes life annoying for people who are switching over from IE and haven't used a tabbed browser before. I can't count the number of times I've absent-mindedly clicked on the closing X in the window bar as opposed to the lower X for the tabs...
Now, if only they could fix the issue with multi-language support in Moz 1.4 Win32. Every time I go to a Japanese website I get a notification telling me that I need to install a language pack, but so far as I can tell, I've done this. The popup doesn't say exactly where to go to configure this in Preferences, and as far as I can tell, I've done set it up already (Preferences -> Navigator -> Languages), and it's not doing anything. So, either the language support is broken, or the instructions/setup procedure are non-intuitive.
"Mod, mod, mod...and another troll bites the dust."
At least if you just want the browser, Mozilla Firebird seems already much better than Mozilla.
I have been using a recent nightly build of Mozilla Firebird as my primary browser, and it has been very stable and already feels much more polished than Mozilla.
Small things like the Ctrl-Enter shortcut and automatic mouse scrolling make Mozilla Firebird feel more like a polished product than Moziila does.
I always knew that IE had a built in crash timer, but Mozilla?
That's odd, according to the half million download report, the Windows version is by far the most popular, with 71.5% of downloads. Speaking for myself, a Mozilla/Windows user, I use Mozilla because it works better and has more features. It's also not plagued by countless security issues.
If they could get Chatzilla and Mail in the main tabbed interface it would roxorz IMO.
....could it be because every other Linux distribution includes Mozilla browser?
$cat
Works fine for me, and I use PNG all the time. And, IE doesn't support full transparency, DirectX does, and that's why you need a kludgy hack.
I don't know if I'm the only out there who's noticed, but, Firebird development has slowed considerably with all the Mozilla fuss. The next FB milestone (0.7 Indio) is going to be late almost two months in a few days. Meanwhile we've had the Mozilla 1.4 RC1, RC2, Final and 1.5 Alpha come out.
CVS checkins to the Firebird suite have also lagged behind. Personally, I would like to see FB development accelerated instead of put on the back burner.
Unfortunately it may take a bit longer than that. It'll take a year to get something shippable to end users (brendan)
This is disappointing to me as I use Firebird regularly and am really impressed, but I guess they (the developers) know what they are talking about.
Hah!
I use Solaris a lot, and Linux a bit. Mozilla is on both of those platforms.
But Windows--Oh man, it's nice to have a really GOOD broswer on the universal de facto platform. Given that Windows is a toy to begin with (no insult intended--I use it for games, and nothing else), why would you NOT want to have the best browser on it?
OK, look at it another way: If 99% of the Linux people used Mozilla (an exaggeration, I'm sure) and 0.5% of the Windows market used it, then which group would account for more browser downloads?
(Hint: The answer is Windows)
At any rate, I know a lot of people--100% pure Windows users--who are quite happy about having Mozilla. Tabbed browsing and pop-up blocking is a boon.
"People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
The problem that I've had with every version of Mozilla I've seen so far is that I can't tell when I have new email under Linux. Under Netscape 4.8, when new mail arrives the mail client icon on the KDE Kicker panel changes so I can see that I have mail even if the mail client is iconified. In Mozilla 1.x or Netscape 7.1 this does not happen, so I can't tell when new mail arrives if the browser and mail client are iconified or covered by other windows. I realize there is an option in preferences for audio notification, but it doesn't seem to work and I really don't want to annoy everyone in my office ever time I get email anyway.
Is there some simple work-around that I don't know about? Are there any plans to fix this? I've raised this issue on mozillazine.org and reported it to Netscape (a few weeks before AOL killed Netscape), but it seems to get no attention. This is a total showstopper for me. Someone please rescue me from having to use Netscape 4.8 for email...
It's not just transparency, it's partial transparency across multiple channels as well. A PNG is far more than the glorified GIF that people make it out to be. I don't know what the parent poster was complaining about but "extremely broken" is a gross overstatement. Buggy, yes, but many things in Mozilla are still pretty quirky - I wouldn't call CSS support extremely broken just because Mozilla still completely fucks up a file upload field whenever you attempt to control it with CSS - it's just another bug (that hasn't been fixed)
IE is free, dumbasses. And guess what? It actually WORKS!!!
In other news, the Wheel will never catch on because Dragging Things on the Ground works and is very widely deployed already.;)
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
This is my one feature request: Draggable tabs. There is no way to rearrange the order that the tabs are displayed in - you should be able to drag them left and right in the browser window. Once you open a tab, you are stuck with its position relative to your other tabs. Doesn't seem hard to do, and it's been in bugzilla for years.
As IT industry grows up a lot of people keep on using old junk because they won't spend money on new hardware until what they have still works. I hear it often than this or that program is slow or uses way too much memory. Geeks probably understand that getting new hardware is a normal process of IT progress, but explain it to average people, not all of them will agree.
Mozilla is a very good program, I use it on my WS with 900Mb of ram (average process size is 90Mb), but at the moment I am typing this message in Opera 7.11 that runs in 64Mb (ok I know, on this outdated hardware most people would usee win98, but I have linux of course) and it is probably the only full featured (links and dillo aren't ones) browser I could use on this computer.
Also tabbed browsing sometimes isn't easily accepted by some people used to working in windows. Having two task-tab-bars instead of one, that's hard to understand someties. Popup blocking requires you understanding what in the world a JavaScript is too.
> If 99% of the Linux people used Mozilla (an exaggeration, I'm sure) and 0.5% of the Windows market used it, then which group would account for more browser downloads?
> (Hint: The answer is Windows)
Certainly, since most dists of Linux these days seem to *come with* Moz. Only Windows users would h=not have it and have to download it.
if the answer isn't violence, neither is your silence / freedom of expression doesn't make it alright
I have to say Mozilla/Firebird has really grown onto me. At work i have to use IE and what bugs me is that while Mozilla has evolved fast IE has been standing still. Things like popup kill, tabs, privacy and cookie management etc, i just cant be without them now that im used to them. Today Mozilla is the best browser out there without a doubt.
To the Mozilla decelopers and Netscape/AOL, thank you!
HTTP/1.1 400
That quote from staff minutes was out of context. I was citing the agreement I'd reached with all-volunteer Mozilla Firebird developers before the Mozilla Foundation was announced, where 0.7 would coincide with 1.5, 0.8 with 1.6, etc. I went on to say to staff, at that meeting, that if we get more time from the developers, the schedule could be shortened.
Now, we hope to hire a Firebird developer fulltime at the Mozilla Foundation, and we expect to go faster. No promises yet; the roadmap will be updated in due course.
I use Windows and I love Firebird. As you say, the tabs & pop-up blocking are great. But, I am sad to say, I would like to have an optional add-on to allow for the broken javascript parsing of IE, since I often run across sites developed only for IE which don't work or don't behave as expected in Firebird. Something with a toggle would be nice, so I could just turn it on once I hit a bad page (and thus save me from having to open IE and copy the URL over). Maybe something like this exists already (prolly not)?
I've been doing a fair amount of mucking around in Mozilla Composer lately and, while it's okay for writing first-approximation Web pages, I've found the UI to be really inconvenient for some things.
The thing likes to pollute the document with line breaks (<BR>) everywhere, which is darned annoying. Creation and maintenance of directory lists (<DL> <DT> <DD>) is really finicky -- do things in the wrong sequence and the formatting will be ruined. I find myself making constant trips to the source window, fixing up broken or unnecessary HTML. It also offers no help at all in composing and previewing style sheets.
I'd really like Composer to be a good WYSIWYG HTML editor, but it seems to be sorely lacking. Is it just me? Is there some Secret Book of Composer Power Usage Tips that I haven't found yet, or does it really fall as short as I think it does?
Schwab
Editor, A1-AAA AmeriCaptions
I still don't see roaming. There needs to be a final monolithic version (ie, not Firebird/Thunderbird) that supports roaming. That way companies who are still stuck on Netscape 4.79 for its roaming capabilities can migrate to a newer engine.
It is more productive to voice thoughtful opinions (reply) than to judge (moderate) others.
At least it looks like people are working on the issue now
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1199 64
Even if they did include yEnc support, I'd probably continue to use Xnews (free newsreader with yEnc support) instead, though. I'd prefer to use Xnews b/c it's a stand-alone news reader... that's all it does & it's good at what it does.
Many of these "suite" programs loose sight of what users want and fail to impliment changes quickly. They're busy on the browser part, so they slack off on the newsgroup part w/ yEnc.. or maybe slack off on some other part in favor of another. I think Firebird is an excellent browser & with a little work, it'll be the best one out there... in part because that's all it does. Seperate projects with seperate teams helps keep focus on important features. One part of the "suite" doesn't suffer because people are focusing on another part because they give that other part higher priority. Outlook Express (MS's mail reader) has newsgroup capability bolted on -- but, it's crappy & it'll stay crappy because Microsoft, the monster with many heads, doesn't have any reason to make improving newsgroup reading a priority... so, they'll probably impliment yEnc sometime after hell freezes over... or there's an official RFC for it whichever comes first... lol. Unfortunately, many suites suffer from the high priority of one portion which makes the suite little more than one cool application with lots of other crappy ones bolted on that are hardly worth using.
That's not to say that all suites suffer from this problem... or that Mozilla as a whole is necessarily suffering from it. I hear Chatzilla is pretty neat, but I haven't bothered with it as I have a stand-alone IRC client that I'm happy with (MIRC). Still, I think dropping the ball on yEnc support, the most popular encoding method on usenet, is akin to dropping the entire newsgroup reader b/c attempting to download anything would be useless without either native yEnc support or a plugin like Yproxy.
Just my 2 cents
Interestingly enough, Netscape/4.7 came up with about 3.2% (3/4 of which were from on-campus).
fortunatly we're approaching 1-year of being xhtml & css devotees and its suprisingly easy to be xhtml1-strict compliant and use tableless or low-table layouts that work in 96+% of our 'human' traffic (which btw IE 6.0 is more than 65% of).
Anyway, sorry for the stats ramble, I just though it was really cool to have access to real numbers today, not just rumors and zealous flamewars.
(Note, because Bugzilla blocks Slashdot referrers, you might have to copy the URL into the URL bar rather than click directly on it.)
As for faster -- I just restarted Mozilla 1.4 after having left it open for a week or two. It's about 3x the speed. How much of the speed improvement that you're noticing comes from restarting the browser?
--JoeProgram Intellivision!
... exist in Opera:
also:
if you tried it and bailed, try again. it really is worth another look.
++ of course, I have no affiliation with Opera Software aside from owning a registered copy ($39) of their phenomenal browser.
and she was born in a bottle-rocket 1929.
Despite CRAM-MD5 being finally fixed, the amazingly obtuse way Mozilla handles secure IMAP is still there: You either use plain, unencrypted IMAP on port 143, or you use IMAPS over 993.
There's no STARTTLS support (on port 143) yet, which renders Mozilla Mail and Thunderbird useless in some ultra-paranoid corporate settings...
tag! This is a joke I presume ? The dropdown menu in the formatting toolbar can transform the current block-level containers of the selection into paragraphs. It has always been here.
Lots of tips & tricks for mozilla at MozillaTips logically enough.
They've got some good stuff already, but could probably use the extra traffic !
D.
--- These are not words: wierd, genious, rediculous
What really bugs me about composer is that when you view the HTML source it is in mono-colour text. How hard can it be to use the same scheme as the "view page source" window when you are examining a webpage.
The different colours make identifing the code much easier
the ability to drag a tab outside of the window to make it the first tab of a new window would also be fantastic
Yeah, everybody wants it but Adobe has a patent on it. Or is there uncited prior art?
My God, it's Full of Source!
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