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iTunes: Don't Leave Home With Them

BadDoggie writes "Politech is reporting that your 'ownership' of music purchased from Apple's iTunes isn't what everyone considers ownership. According to the license, 'Apple may use technologies to verify' that you have not 'use[d] or attempt[d] to use the service from outside of the [United States]'. This includes Canada. Apple's 'technologies' delete the bought-and-paid-for files with no refund and no replacement when & if you leave the U.S." Update: 07/25 16:23 GMT by P : The post to Politech says the songs would "disappear," not be deleted; from the context, it seems they were merely unplayable, not deleted. Update: 07/25 21:34 GMT by M : Apple has contacted the guy, and is apparently making him happy. However, the question remains: Apple definitely doesn't want people buying new songs from outside the U.S., but do they intend to generally permit foreign users to reauthorize (in effect, retain access to) the songs they have already purchased? Apple's policy is very unclear on that point.

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  1. Wow! Canada is *outside* the US! by Burb · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know, I never knew that before. Thanks, Slashdot!

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    1. Re:Wow! Canada is *outside* the US! by diverman · · Score: 5, Funny

      No it's not. Canada is just a US territory. We just let them think they're a country. ;)

      J/K! I tease my Canadian friends with this all the time. Heh. Always gets them fired up. *grin*

      -Alex

  2. Heres a question. by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 4, Funny

    WHY?!
    Sigh. I think its time to give up on online music, and since i refuse to buy cds anymore, Im just gonna go buy a kazoo.

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    1. Re:Heres a question. by rmadmin · · Score: 0, Funny

      Banjo's are fun too. Just don't play any copyrighted tunes, or RIAA will come down on you with their nazi lawyers. And they'll sue your dad, and take naked pictures of your mom and put them all over the internet! Ugh... Can't we all just... get along? RIAA... is it so bad being a pathetic gimpy bitch that you have to lash out at everyone?

    2. Re:Heres a question. by turgid · · Score: 3, Funny

      Can I join your band? I have some saucepans and wooden spoons.

  3. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What about a country that's under US administration? does that count?

    1. Re:But... by Rhubarb+Crumble · · Score: 2, Funny
      What about a country that's under US administration? does that count?

      What, you mean if you take your iPod to guantanamo bay? You will obviously be detained as an enemy combatant and held in solitary confinement at the RIAA's discretion. ;-)

    2. Re:But... by kmak · · Score: 5, Funny

      You mean Britain?

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  4. Great, the RIAA is going to want to do this too! by Wacky_Wookie · · Score: 2, Funny

    Soon we will see the RIAA lobbying for the use of Millitery space-based lasers in order to do the same thing.

    Just think, you are just crossing the boarder with a few CDs and ZAP! A huge laser blast from orbit evaporates your CD collection!

  5. Canada isn't part of the US? by IDigUNIX · · Score: 5, Funny

    "use[d] or attempt[d] to use the service from outside of the [United States]'. This includes Canada."
    Whew, for a second there I was thinking that we'd annexed Canada. Eh? I think that to be more clear, they should also specifically state that Mexico is outside the US. And, for those who are still in denial, they should state that New Jersey IS part of the United States.

    1. Re:Canada isn't part of the US? by isa-kuruption · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've lived in New Jersey 24 years, and I must say I have to contradict your statement.

      The following reasons apply:

      1) When leaving the country of New Jersey, you must always pay "export duties" on yourself. This is obviously an attempt by our ruthless dictator to keep us from leaving!

      2) When traveling to see friends and/or family, you are taxed dutifully by what are call "tolls". These tools are again the attempt by our ruthless dictator to limit our movement and freedom of expression beyong our own neighborhood.

      3) The currency exchange rate between US Dollars and NJ Dollars is horrendous. For example, a house that costs you $200,000 in Pennsylvania will translate to $500,000 just for crossing into our evil dictatorship. The worst part is, NJ does not have it's own currency so we must still use US dollars. The ruthless dictator obviuosly wants us to feel insignificant and poor compared to your Americans! We can't afford homes... we buy cardboard boxes and pay rent on sidewalk squares.

      4) Same exchange rate goes for car insurance!

      5) Speed limits are still 55mph on many roads! Even the residential ones! Obviously the evil dictator wants us all to conform to his strict policies!

      6) We can't pump our own gas! Yes, that's right, the evil dictator has his hencemen pump gas for us... depriving our God given right to fuel our own automobiles!

    2. Re:Canada isn't part of the US? by Windcatcher · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's a reason why we had "America Starts Here" on the welcome signs when you enter Pennsylvania...

  6. Oh *great* by minion2 · · Score: 0, Funny

    First I can't bring my handgun into Canada, and now I can't bring my iTunes music?

    There's a reason Apple can't let people use the iTunes music service outside of the US (I'm assuming this, at least, since they would bring it to other markets if they could. I'm sure they're working on the legal bits). If they don't have the legality of the service nailed down in other countries, they sort of have to *not* let people in other countries use the service. It makes sense to me.

    They've very clearly said the service is only available in the US for now. Yes, it sucks for non-US residents. Deal with it. ...and *always* read the fine print. At least the first few paragraphs.

  7. Don't *buy* a kazoo... by sczimme · · Score: 3, Funny


    download it from kaz...

    D'oh.

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  8. C'mon, Apple by Jasin+Natael · · Score: 1, Funny

    Come on, Apple.
    I see you jockin' me.
    Tryin' to play like you know me.

    Man, Apple, you're just making yourself look worse.
    You know?
    I mean, Everybody's just gonna feel sorry for me.
    I mean, I do.

    fhqwhgads
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  9. Re:C'mon guys by bsharitt · · Score: 5, Funny

    I bought a CD on Half.com that was originally distributed in Canada, but it still works in the US. I hope an RIAA swat team doesn't break down my front door and take my CD.

  10. Yeah, Dont Read my Post, it will waste your time by phloydphreak · · Score: 2, Funny

    sorry, while I was posting, a whole lot of posts were placed which make mine redundant. if you actually took the time to read this, you are either a sad human being, a sadist, or at work. In all cases, I feel your pain. >:)

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  11. Don't listen by failedlogic · · Score: 2, Funny

    I often whistle or hum tunes while I play my iPod.

    I don't want to run the risk of freely distributing the tunes, breaking the law and having them deleted to people who haven't purcahsed the songs. Please plug your ears when I walk buy. I will wear a shirt to advertise my presence encouraging everyone not to listen.

  12. And they... by dark-br · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...laught at me when i wraped even my socks on tinfoil.

    If theres any typo on this post, well, its one of the problems with tinfoil :/ its not translucid.

  13. It would be more useful if... by IDigUNIX · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wouldn't mind if they rigged it so that it would delete music acquired outside the US upon my return home. That way I could ensure that any Celine Dion songs that my wife acquired in Canada would be gone when we return home from vacation.

  14. Your moment of schadenfreude by metamatic · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft whore who built a DRM-crippled music store gets bitten by DRM. Ah, such delightful irony.

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  15. Re:C'mon guys by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 3, Funny
    "Can you play US-bought CDs if you take them into Canada? Do the RIAA's distributors have any say in the matter?"

    With physical CDs, you have to be more concerned with hemisphere as opposed to nation. If you take your US or Canadian purchased discs to Australia or vice versa, you will not be able to play them unless you get a converter.

    This converter compensates for the fact that the Aussie discs are pressed such that the grooves go in the opposite direction of north american discs that thus they must spin 'backwards.' The converter is basically a mirror-like device that causes the disc to appear in mirror image to the laser, this causing your music to play forward instead of reverse. </joke>

  16. National Trunk Line by Vagary · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course they have close ties: what kind of idiot would run a backbone through Northern Ontario when you could go through Chicago and Detroit? Supposedly there are so few big Canadian bands out of the West because the bus ride from Winnipeg to Ottawa introduces so much latency as to trigger a timeout.

  17. Re:C'mon guys by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2, Funny

    IT Director: "Does it work in Europe?"

    Universal Business Adapter Salesman: "You need an adapter."

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  18. Re:Ah well... by piznut · · Score: 2, Funny

    "its no different to walking out of a nightclub and then trying to sneak back in."

    I think a better analogy would be

    "This is no different than David Geffen visiting you in your new, non-US home and breaking all of your CDs in half".

  19. Re:Canada is Consistent by Unregistered · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's aboot time Canadian English gets some respect, eh?