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Build-to-Order Cars?

MadMonk writes "Baseline has an article about a new car company that wants to be 'the Dell of the auto industry.' Build-To-Order, Inc. could turn the auto industry on its ear. At worst, BTO will be an interesting technology petri dish. I want a customized car to match my customized computer."

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  1. GM already had this idea by tgrigsby · · Score: 5, Informative

    If I recall correctly, GM has already had designs in the works for an electric car that would be built on top of a "skateboard", basically a car base with batteries and electronics all built in. You could pop any shell/interior top onto that base. The idea was that you spent the big bucks on the base, and then spend your fashion dollars on a new top from year to year. In fact, an aftermarket was envisioned for custom, made to order, modularized, pop-together tops for the base.

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    1. Re:GM already had this idea by tgrigsby · · Score: 5, Informative

      In fact, here's a URL:

      http://money.cnn.com/2002/01/08/autos/auto_tech/

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    2. Re:GM already had this idea by Meowing · · Score: 2, Informative

      That idea's not even new for GM. Their plasticars (e.g. Fiero, APV, Saturn) had that sort of idea in mind, if you believed the press releases of the time.

    3. Re:GM already had this idea by br0ck · · Score: 2, Informative

      This was actually on Slashdot last fall.

      The two links within were pretty informative too.

  2. Re:custom? by fidget42 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The current auto manufactureres are already the "Dell of automobiles." They give you a selection of options (color, radio, interior, etc.) and you can choose what you want. If you want something for which they don't have a configuration then you don't get it (go ahead and try to get a real Windows CD from Dell, I dare you) or it costs you more than it should.

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  3. Microsoft Advertisement by LHN · · Score: 1, Informative

    The first page of the article was good, good enough to make me go onto the second.

    The second page on the otherhand was a GIANT advertisement for Microsoft's .NET services. Not worth the read imho.

    1. Re:Microsoft Advertisement by melonman · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think that's a little unfair: see for example

      The problem: Discerning between .NET features that are available today in tools such as VisualStudio.NET, and those that remain concepts years from mainstream corporate adoption. "We're peeling back and taking a look and asking if the risk is worth the reward," says Lele, who adds he is still conducting due diligence on .NET.

      In fact, I think it kinda makes you wonder what you would want to use .Net for. There are applications where half a dozen other solutions exist already, and there are ones like this which are just too scary to think about. Who is going to insure a car built this way?!

      In fact, even the Gates example of printing to your local copy shop like you currently print to a local printer gives me the heebie geebies. I have enough trouble getting customers to take responsibility for pressing the print button when the paper comes out of a noisy printer in the corner of the room. Imagine the fun when it is in another block, and .Net is debiting the company credit card for you. "But I thought I had selected the local printer, and it didn't come out, so I just kept clicking, and now you say you can't pay my salary..."

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    2. Re:Microsoft Advertisement by dasmegabyte · · Score: 1, Informative

      I work in .NET all day long. It is a very complex and expensive way to solve the simple problem of device interaction. Most of the time, you'll save money and heartache by going with a free solution and hiring better developers (yes, I realize that is a self deprecating statement).

      Web services and web forms are neat ideas. But if you are a clever developer, and not a button masher, they are sorely limited -- and the API is not designed well if you want to work around them.

      As for "seamlessly interacting with partners," this is a crock of horseshit. There is no magic interaction layer with .NET or webservices...it's just code over soap which is xml over http over tcp/ip. Adding the extra layer means having to know an extra layer of crap before you can get things to work, even if it is slightly easier to read an xml schema then documentation on a wire protocol or some RFC. If your partners can't integrate with older, well documented protocols, they're not going to be able to integrate SOAP any easier.

      That said, I love .NET. For the IDE, and for C#, which is Visual Basic for people who actually paid attention in college. The combination of the two have really helped me pump out software in record time, with absloutely no help from ado.net ("abstraction" must be another word for "useless slowdown" in redmond).

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  4. when i was a child by nicholas. · · Score: 2, Informative

    build to order cars were fairly common. you'd go into the showroom, choose the options you wanted and then wait 2 months.

    you could mix and match interiors fabrics with exterior paints. you could choose from different size engines, different size wheels, etc.

    doesn't sound too revolutionary.

  5. Mini already does this by D3 · · Score: 4, Informative

    All Mini Cooper models are built to order. I toured the production plant in Oxford England recently. 100% just-in-time manufacturing process. You'll have a blue British spec followed by a yellow North American spec followed by another color Japanese spec, etc. Of the hundreds of cars in the plant at the time NONE of them were exactly the same as mine and probably not as each other.

    Now, if this guy has the same 280 Million British Pounds to invest in building a plant (as was done by BMW group for the Mini), more power to him. I doubt he realizes what he's really getting into. Probably trying to build hype in the media to attract the investors he needs for such a project.

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  6. way off -- read article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    the article states that the problem will be getting 50 different vendor computer systems to talk to the central database. it also states that they will be publishing specs (standards) on how to build the parts to fit on the car. the actual difference is that instead of like a GM car where you have only 2 stereo options (the bose or the delco) you can have one of 50 different stereos (which is just an example since there is pretty much a standard there already anyway). see it helps to read the actual article before commenting.

  7. Re:Huh? That's how it's here in the Netherlands by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 4, Informative
    You can do that in the USA, too. Virtually any auto maker will build you a car to your specs (options, color, etc.). Since the 1980s the options have been more-or-less bundled, and it's a bitch to order them separated (I want a sunroof but I don't want to pay for fog lights to get it!), but you can do it.

    Option bundling is because of the imports. When you're shipping a car from Germany or Japan to the USA, you're gonna have to wait a while for them to build you a car to your specs. So the imports got into the habit of offering two or three option packages, then building cars with those packages in all possible color combos. Then, if one dealer didn't have the package you wanted in the color you wanted, probably another dealer in the area did. The domestic makers (GM, Ford, Chrysler) picked up on this because it's what the public wanted. Most people want their car NOW, not in 4 to 6 weeks, and they're willing to take fog lights to get the sunroof.

    I don't see how this company is going to overcome the public's desire for instant gratification. Pick a car, drive it home today.

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  8. The BTO website by Kaz+Riprock · · Score: 4, Informative


    http://www.btoauto.com/

    It would have been nice to see exactly what the article was talking about, by linking to it in the summary...you know, because this is slashdot.

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  9. BTO Website by Unregistered · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.btoauto.com/index.html

  10. Re:Huh? That's how it's here in the Netherlands by whatch+durrin · · Score: 2, Informative
    When you're shipping a car from Germany or Japan to the USA, you're gonna have to wait a while for them to build you a car to your specs.

    This is not entirely true today. Most major foreign automakers at least have assembly plants in the USA. From an options standpoint, this puts them in the same situation as a domestic manufacturer.

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  11. All cars are BTO in Europe by wimbor · · Score: 4, Informative
    Is this a troll or for real? All car makers to my knowledge do this BTO...

    I know that all large European car makers are doing this already. My VW Golf that I bought last year was custom made, as are most VW's that you buy. You have 4 basic trims (Base, Comfortline, Highline and Trendline) and you can add options, features, colors (inside and outside), fabrics, ... like you wish. These trim levels are even not decided by VW, but by the importer in each country. A Base model in Belgium does not have traction control, in Germany that is standard on all Golf's.

    Only very few cars of the VW/Audi group are built by order of the factory, and most of these company ordered cars end up in the showroom to give the public a general idea of what is available. Often you get even a discount on those models because they are not 100% configured to your own wishes....

    Volkswagen has a "car configurator" on their website that can make thousands of possible Golf configurations.

    Do you really mean you cannot order your own car in the USA? I'm stunned... I thought buying stock cars was almost impossible these days...

  12. you really misunderstand the industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    First of all, 100% JIT manufacturing? You mean inventory management? IF so, check the parking lot outside and nearby. There'll be trucks waiting to unload their inventory. JIT inventory management is somewhat of a crock. It's just an accounting trick, really.

    Second of all, all MINIs are not BTO. A friend bought one off the lot in the very first month. Impossible if they are all BTO. How would one get built without an order?

    Third of all, all lines run with different colored and such cars next to each other. That's old news. That's why your car as a build tag with RPO codes, so they know what to bolt on. Truly fancy manufacturing lines run multiple cars (some even cars and trucks!) back to back on the same line.

  13. Re:Free million dollar idea by whatch+durrin · · Score: 2, Informative
    I think some automakers are moving in the opposite direction.

    Recently, while looking at a Mitsubishi with the girlfriend, I noticed that the stereo controls were all over the center of the dash. I asked the salesman if the radio could be removed and replaced with an aftermarket.

    I was told that it could not be. You had to just keep the factory radio or build your own custom enclosure to handle an aftermarket. He also said some automakers are installing speakers that only work with the factory radio (although I'm not sure how that's possible).

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  14. Re:Cars are not computers by dasmegabyte · · Score: 3, Informative

    Acutally, very few people perform automotive mods themselves these days. At the track I go to, I'd say 85% of cars are modded the same way by the same hadful of sport dealers. Of course, it's the other 15% that tend to burn them, but most people like the idea of spending a little extra to get it done RIGHT. After all, who wants to drop $5900 on a turbo mod, get halfway through it, and torch the engine? Better to make AAA Autospyd or XXX-trem Grafick Kreations do the work, and take the liability.

    Plus, some of these assholes are modding LEASED CARS. You don't want to break your car, that's true, but you SURE AS SHIT don't want to break the bank's car.

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  15. Re:Is this profitable? by Coldeagle · · Score: 2, Informative

    I believe that the idea could be profitable, if they take the viewpoint of Dell. Dell has an assembly line, as will BTO:

    "the assembly line--which resembles a street intersection."

    Basically what I in-vision them doing is a process similar to dell. Basically as the car comes down the assembly line, each person has his or her own station (Frame, axle, drive train, engine, etc). Each car would have it's own "Identifier" number as it came down and at each point in the assembly process, the specific part would be put in. Traditionally, car manufacturers assembly lines have a person doing each job, putting in the same part, etc. This would simply differ, not completely change, from tradition. Instead of putting 10,000 CD Players in, and 5,000 Cassette players in, it would be a specific CD Player, or whichever way you want to look at it.

    I think the thing that will make or break this company is the organization. If they can organize and get the processes correct they will succeed. For example, let's say you have 10 cars coming down the assembly line. You're in charge of stereos, you have all 10 stereos, in the order that the cars are coming down the line in. This is just a small example of one way of organizing the manufacturing process that needs to not only take place on the assembly line, but in the background to make sure that everyone has what they need, when they need it. The process and organization will be what makes or breaks this company.

  16. Re:custom? by f97tosc · · Score: 5, Informative

    The current auto manufactureres are already the "Dell of automobiles." They give you a selection of options (color, radio, interior, etc.) and you can choose what you want. If you want something for which they don't have a configuration then you don't get it

    The difference is that if you don't want something that they do have, then the unwanted car will be standing, and potentially sold at a discount (whereas the unwanted Dell is never built). The losses from the unwanted cars are passed on to the consumer, in the price of the popular varieties.

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  17. Re:But what we really need... by ncc74656 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Airbags weren't available yet in 1983.

    They were optional from some manufacturers as far back as the mid-70s or so. There's a timeline here that says the first airbag-equipped car to roll off a production line was a '73 Oldsmobile Toronado (with dual airbags, no less). They were available in certain models from Olds, Buick, and Cadillac until 1977...in the years they were available, only about 10000 cars were ordered with airbags. It's true that they didn't become common until the early '90s (and I'd just as soon have the choice to buy a vehicle without them), but they were available farther back than most people would guess.

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