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GameCube Production to Halt
avayre writes "Nintendo is to press the pause button on production of its GameCube consoles while it clears inventory of unsold machines. the company's president said on Thursday. But Satoru Iwata promised the struggling games company was developing a radical new product to be announced next year -- however he gave few details save to say it would be a departure from mainstream gaming consoles 'that will have a big impact on the world.'" My prediction is that it's just downtime until Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles ships. That'll help move those units that are gathering dust.
So is it just me, or does this remind anyone else of the whole Sega kaboozle - Genesis went down, Sega released the radical Dreamcast, and... well everyone knows what happened next...
they stil loutsell xbox :)
Maybe MS should buy the company?
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That will get a bunch of them to sell.
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would it actually hurt Nintendo at all to follow Sega's path and go multiplatform? With the Game Boy raking in huge wads of cash they could focus on making those classics for Xbox/PS2, slicing a chunk of the market from their would be competitors and spread the ole 'Games are fun' ethos for which Nintendo has become famous for, without get caught up in the hardware wars.
Mother, do you think they'll like this sig?
lets not forget the last time nintendo tried to 'innovate' and developed something 'radical' and 'never before seen' in game hardware.
methinks they should stick to making awesome games, and handheld game systems that you can play for more than 2 hours. (imo, the feature that kept the gameboy on top all these years despite better-equipped rivals).
(btw: i think this whole thread counts as console-war trolling)
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that will have a big impact on the world
They are going to build a Segway console. Its the only possible thing that could have global impact (apart from a large meteor).
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Yes, clearly, once one gets old enough one has no use for anything but gratuitous violence. :) I personally like the "mostly harmless" adventure games, like mario and zelda, even with their lack of blood and gore, because the puzzles are just as interesting and challenging as they are in more "adult" games.
It's a pity - Nintendo's first-party games have often set themselves apart from the competition. But once a console starts to appear to fail, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy - it's very hard for a console to pull itself back when it's on a downhill slide.
If only Nintendo had produced some more innovative games like the PS2 EyeToy, rather than spending large amounts of effort updating established franchises. Games like that are console sellers, because they appeal to all ages and move gaming outside of a comparatively small niche.
think *anime*
Struggling games company? Yes the GameCube isn't selling well but that does not mean that Nintendo is struggling. Far from it. In fact just the other day at PlanetGameCube they posted a story about Nintendo posting a profit. Doesn't sound like struggling to me.
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Where's the mario Kart gc? or the other really fun to play games that are nintendo?
But this seems to be the complaint I have with all the platforms right now. Multi-player games are rare outside of sports games. Mario Kart has always been a big seller and the version for theN64 completely rocked and was one of the games that kept that platform alive for as long as it was (goldeneye is another)
But the biggest problem with the GC is that cince it's aimed at the kid market, the kids cant afford the games. Sorry, your game is NOT worth $50 - $60 bucks. $20.00 to $40.00 is the range that is acceptable to kids with a paper-route and certianly inside the parents instant purchase model.
Playstation2 is killing because if the "classics" line if $19.95 games from last year and older.. I see those constantly picked through and bought while noone is really looking at the overpriced games.
I believe the GC to be a superior machine. I own it as well as the PS2 and the PS2 is kicking it's arse because of the large amount of low-cost games that are available.
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that Microsoft buying Rare could have done nothing but harm Nintendo's cause. If you think of the games that Nintendo have become famous for, most people would name those that have had Rare input: Goldeneye, Perfect Dark etc. With Rare out of the picture, the "inconsistent flow" of "attractive software" would be anything but improved.
the group had stumbled with the Game Cube console and conceded that it had made a strategic mistake by not ensuring that it had a consistent flow of attractive software for the Game Cube.
Mother, do you think they'll like this sig?
As I recall, when Nintendo announced GC at E3 a few years ago, they made the statement that it was aimed at anyone who enjoys playing games. I'm 23, I own a gamecube, with ambitions to buy the other 2 systems (PS2 for FF, Xbox for Steel Battalion), and out of all the games I've played on any system, Nintendo games keep my attention longer than any of them, and are way more innovative and fun. As far as most of the games having cartoony graphics, the only game I can think of like that is Zelda, and since you mentioned "harmless adventure games", I think you should go back and play the Resident Evil series again.. survival horror, IMO is not a harmless adventure game. Insofar as the console market being mostly older generations, that is a byproduct of the fact that kids don't have the market power to buy stuff, combined with the fact that 90% of games on systems other than GC being rated M, sports games aside. I for one, applaud the big N for having some cojones and going and making fun, innovative games, like Pikmin and Animal Crossing(BTW, I know more adults than kids that play that) which, if people would look for a game that's not just kill people break stuff.
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...is that it is just another console system. The market is simply unable to support more then two consoles effectively, especially with all the various exclusive titles and multi-platform release titles that exist today..
However, it is just a console, like the Xbox and the Playstation. They are hardly worth their time...
By the time they are worth their time, they will have evolved into full computer systems that are closed systems, similar to the early computer market when C-64's and their ilk reigned supreme. (Meaning no upgradeability.)
A few years after that... Somebody will release a "Back to Basics" console system with simplistic controls, quality graphics and easy to follow storylines that will take the market by storm...
That might take ten years or more though...
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NINTENDO IS NOT STRUGGLING. They were Nikkei's company of the year last year. The reason their stock has lost ground was because they are so heavily invested in the dollar, which took a beating by the yen. They have not operated at a loss in over two decades. They have, at last number I got, 3 billion in the bank, and last year they made more money than SCE. They are, as last I heard, neck and neck with Xbox in the US, but numbers are hard to come by because a lot of retail release figures exclude places such as Walmart, Nintendo's top distributor. Yes, in Europe they are struggling, but they are doing fine and dandy everywhere else.
For a place that complains about so much FUD, you would think people would know the difference between Sega (operating at a loss for a decade with millions in red) and Nintendo. It's astounding.
is a web site with a "catchy" domain name like www.offficial-console-sales-figures.com that is just a plain black background with white text showing the sales figures for each console, with the numbers updated on a real time basis, constantly ticking up like a movie or something!
Mother, do you think they'll like this sig?
Teenagers in the U.S. seem to belong to the category that they don't want to look like they're doing something immature. If they do anything viewed as potentially "un-cool" then they risk being "un-cool." The problem is, the stuff they turn to in order to be mature and cool are games where they run over hookers and shoot random people in the streets (i.e. GTA III).
Nintendo clearly hasn't been aiming for that crowd, and I for one am happier for it. I grew up with the NES, and since then have owned every console they've put out. They continue to make games that I get a great deal of enjoyment out of (Legend of Zelda : The Wind Waker, Super Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime, Eternal Darkness, etc.), and they are consistantly failing to sell as well as other more mediocre games on other consoles. Worldwide, the GameCube and the Xbox are even in sales, but you would never know it by talking to a teenager. It's a shame too, because Nintendo has stated that if they ever stop making a console, they will leave the market rather than make games as a third party. If that should ever happen, the world will have lost one of the most influential and innovative developers in existence, only to be replaced with games focusing completely on graphics and/or violence.
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I think the real problem is that the biggest market for games tends to be the teen-to-early-20s, where a lot of people are more worried about appearance than reality. Hell, I had a 9 year old looking down at a good portion of my game collection because it was either 'for kids' or 'boring' (the latter being the large number of RPGs, the former being the Nintendo titles he already has and played through at least once). All he wanted to play was GTA because that's what kids think is cool.
I have a PS2 for RPGs and Tekken primarily, and bought GTA3 and Vice City because I occasionally enjoy them. I also bought GT3 for it because it's simply the best racing game I've played to date. I have an XBox primarily for Halo and have bought a handful of titles for it, both exclusives and multi-console titles, and find that the multi-console titles are usually best on it, so I'm not disappointed (and I'll probably buy KOTOR this weekend, as it seems to be the 2nd must-have title for the XBox, and given that it's both Star Wars and the 1st well-received exclusive (until it comes out on PC) RPG on the system, it obviously appeals to me). The GC is simply the system I've bought the most games for recently, and that I've played the most since I bought it. Part of that is because I bought it recently, and am playing catchup buying older titles, but another part of it seems to be that the games are just fun without having to put a lot of time into them, which means I can play a game without having to have a lot of spare time (ie all of those RPGs on the PS2 that I usually play on the weekends and often don't touch all week). Also, it helps that I haven't had a Nintendo console since the NES, and there's a good amount of nostalgia involved with Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc. without having gone through it all with the 2 systems between then and now. Oh, and that Game Boy Player with Wario Ware and Castlevania.
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Just because unlike the XBOX small children can lift it, doesn't mean the GC is aimed at them.
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Ugh. Anime sucks.
But you have a point. Its amusing how the Western "violence and power over people is macho" is perceived by many people as mature - see most films, hip hop/rap music etc. Its all about attempting to force `respect` via violence/threats, rather than earning it. I guess its an instant-gratification thing, like the quest for fat-reduction pills and surgery, rather than eating the right food and excercising.
Regardless of your feelings for anime, at least you admitted he has a point. Look at it this way: even though the Japanese tend to have a much more open atmosphere as far as allowing their children to be exposed to sex and violence, most anime isn't intended for children in Japan, and it is often on prime time or late nite television.
I think another point is that even though the ratings on both video games and movies were put in place to 'protect children' or inform their parents in regards to content, over time the movie ratings have been interpreted by some people as what is proper for those age ranges rather than just being guidelines. Many children, once they reach the latter part of their pre-teen years, want to be viewed as more mature, and therefore gravitate towards games, movies, and music that is considered more mature by their peers, in other words, they like it because someone thinks they shouldn't be listening/watching/playing it, rather than because it's actually good.
Then again, what do I know? According to the TV Daredevil's the must-see DVD of the summer.
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It reminds me of what everyone said about Zelda's ("Celda's") new cel shading style and Link being a kid. All the jaded 'adult' gamers got pissed off and wrote angry letters to the various gaming magazines, and the magazines were skeptical too--until it came out, got nearly perfect reviews, and anyone who played it realized it was just an incredible game. But the cynical kiddy outlook probably did its damage and stopped most from even giving it a chance, since I heard it hasn't sold well. So in that sense, yeah, the kiddy image sure hurts the Gamecube--but it looks like its the fault of gamers who are quick to judge so many games by little more than their genre and art style, and not Nintendo, who are making great games as they always have.
For the one billionth time. Metroid is not a FPS game! It's "First Person Adventure". SO much emphasis is placed on exploration and learning about the Chozo and what happened to them. In fact, the monsters are just there to kill time and put some action into the game.
If you want a fast-paced FPS, buy Hhalo or Quake. But I, and everyone else told the world (in ever single review out there) that Metroid was not an FPS title. It's nobody's fault but your own, if you went into it with different expectations.
On the other hand, Zelda did have its flaws. I wasn't too terribly fond of the "Water World" theme, but I found that the rest of the game was quite awesome. And the gameplay was top-class.
Then perhaps focus their hardware into the one area they are the supreme almighty ruler, the handheld gaming market? Perhaps make the next gameboy a truly excellent piece of engineering and marketing without such obvious ommissions as a backlight or a headphone jacket?
Perhaps realize that a fair proportion of gameboy owners are adults and make more adult type games for it?
Put a technology like bluetooth on it with easy matchmaking capabilty?
Extend the battery life by realising adults can hold a heavier device then a 8yr old and can pay more for both hardware and software?
Realize that the iPod has shown their are plenty of rich bastards out there who are willing to pay top dollar for true excellence? (archos is way way way way cheaper and offers the same base product)
That is crazy talk mister.
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...I find Nintendo's losing market share rather perculiar. The only real difference between the two competitors, is that one releases many more adult theme games than the other. Funny, because by the looks of it, it appears that the GC has 3 good 'kiddie' game per 1 good adult game from PS2.
But what is even more funny, is that if Nintendo continues on the same track of creating fun family games, it's going to end up back on top, due to a generation of gamers settling down, getting married and having kids. I've had 5 friends in the last year talk about what console they should get for their rugrats and each one ended up with the GC, because of the family oriented games.
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itll be a ppc970 (aka G5) and a radeon post 9800 chip. since the GC is basicly a G3 and a radeon, thisll let it be backward compatable, a HUGE selling point. I doubt theyll change the media though, maybe make it a little bigger, but still not standard. and the pricell be right. people complain that the Xbox is just a PC, well the GC isnt that far off, chip wise.
I want 2D games back.
Actually, you're NOT Nintendo's target market. You're Sony/Microsoft's target market. Nintendo's market is for the late teens to early 30's that plays video games for fun, not to engage in the violence that they can't perform in the real world.
And when the hell did the console market become a war? A PS2 in a home doesn't preclude a GameCube in the same space. I've had a PS2 for a couple of years now, and I love the thing, but I want a GameCube because Nintendo offers games that the PS2 and XBox don't. While they focus on thud-and-blunder/race/shoot/crush/bitchslap games, Nintendo focuses on making games what they should be -- fun diversions that make you think a little bit, and put a smile on your face.
Case in point -- my girlfriend digs video games. Watch her play Final Fantasy X or something similar on the PS2, and you'll seldom see her smiling...she's more focused on making sure her characters are levelling up, finding shit, etc. With a game on a Nintendo system, you see a lot more grinning, hear more smack-talking, and generally get the impression that the experience is more rewarding than gaming on the PS2.
Don't get me wrong, though -- we're not throwing out the PS2. I still need my Madden fix, which is great fun, SOCOM's good after a long day at the office, and I bought Robotech: Battlecry for the PS2 b/c I didn't want to wait for the GameCube version (though I would have had to buy a new one). But, yeah, a GameCube will definitely be taking up a space on our entertainment center in the near future.
XBox? Why bother?
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This new product is going to be announced in early 2004. The N5 is going to ship in 2005 or early 2006 (according to Nintendo at the same press conferance where they mentioned the new technology for 2004.)
This alone suggests strongly that they are not talking about the N5, simply because they wouldn't want to focus attention on a console that isn't coming out for over a year.
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Dear Target Market:
Thanks for your input, I am sorry that I have made fun, innovative games in the past that are enjoyable for gamers of all ages. I am also sorry our console has controllers that you don't need hands the size of Shaq's to hold.
Let me assure you that your letter has made me see the light. I am pleased to announce Super Mario Auto 128. In this game, Mario has returned to his roots in the Italian Mafia. Features of this game include committing mindless crimes, having sex with hookers, and then killing them.
I am also proud to announce that I've employed a new character design team to redesign all the female characters in Nintendo games. Let me assure you that they all now have a minimum bra size of 38F, and will soon be starring in Super Smash Sister Extreme Beach Volleyball.
And in coming months we'll be releasing Metroid XXX. Let's just say that Samus has gotten rid of her armor... and a bit more.
I'm sure you that you'll love these changes we're making at Nintendo. Thank you for your input.
S. Miyamoto
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