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Videogames Attract More Women Than Boys?

Thanks to Yahoo!/Reuters for their story about a new Entertainment Software Association poll showing the demographics of gaming. According to the poll, "...26 percent of game players are women 18 or older, while 21 percent are boys 6 to 17", and the survey also revealed that "...the average gamer spends 6.5 hours a week playing games... while boys 6 to 17 average 7.3 hours per week of game time." Explicit games are also on the increase, as "13.2 percent carried a "Mature" or "M" rating, up from 9.9 percent in 2001 and under 8 percent in 2000."

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  1. The Rest? by moehoward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The rest are slashdotters.

    Except me, of course.

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  2. I had no idea the Sims was so popular... by benzapp · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean, that is the only game I have ever seen an adult woman play...

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    1. Re:I had no idea the Sims was so popular... by El · · Score: 5, Funny

      I tried The Sims, then discovered it was more fun micro-managing my 2-year old's bathroom habits...

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    2. Re:I had no idea the Sims was so popular... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      every so often she'd beat me at Tekken3.

      Hence, "ex."

    3. Re:I had no idea the Sims was so popular... by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My wife plays Animal Crossing quite a bit. Course, it's like the Sims meets Playmobil, but still :) She even has an eReader, a bunch of cards, etc for it.

      The wife also plays RPG's sometimes (though as someone that reads a lot of classic literature, the juvenile plots and terrible writing drives her nuts sometimes) and she loves PopCap games too. She enjoys Bust a Move as well.

      She doesn't like playing the "M" rated games, but she enjoys watching me play them (NGC Resident Evil, Vice City, etc) and yell encouragement like,
      "Honey, grab the katana and gut those fuckers!"

      She's a great woman =)

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    4. Re:I had no idea the Sims was so popular... by Catharz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bah, my girlfriend has played all the civilisation games to death.

      I won't even try to compete with her in that game. She plays on god level and wins more often than not. I can still remember her outrage when Civ II crashed at ~254%.

      Since then she tries to win in every way other than wiping everyone else out and leaving just one city while she milks for percentage. Be VERY glad she's not running for parliament.

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    5. Re:I had no idea the Sims was so popular... by ruprechtjones · · Score: 5, Funny

      does she have a sister?

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  3. What's next... by Exitthree · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdotters with girlfriends? My world is crumbling! Ahhhhhh!

    1. Re:What's next... by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hell, a lot of us are even married... but that's nothing. There are, get this, FEMALE slashdotters!

      I know, I know, it sounds crazy, but trust me, it's absolutely true.

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    2. Re:What's next... by The+Phantom+Buffalo · · Score: 5, Funny
      There are, get this, FEMALE slashdotters!

      Sure there are, and they play cards with Santa Claus and the Easter bunny on Thursday nights.

  4. what the? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Laura Croft was the only girlfriend i ever had.

    1. Re:what the? by shut_up_man · · Score: 5, Funny

      Lucky bastard... all my girlfriends' names end in ".jpg"

    2. Re:what the? by NaugaHunter · · Score: 4, Funny

      ".jpg"! In my day, our girlfriends were in ASCII and we liked it!

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  5. I don't doubt it... by AEton · · Score: 5, Funny

    My girlfriend's Sims get more action than we do.

    AND they own all this cool stuff in their house.

    On the bright side, those bastards can't own cars, so I guess it evens out. Plus, my girlfriend can't turn off my Free Will. (usually)

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    1. Re:I don't doubt it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait till you get married. Then she will become an expert at disabling your Free Will.

  6. The reason by nightsweat · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a joystick envy thing.

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  7. Yes, more women than boys by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you are going to lump all women over the age of 18 together and compare that to middle school and high school boys, I guess you could say that the numbers add up in favor of the disproportionately large population.

    1. Re:Yes, more women than boys by PMuse · · Score: 5, Insightful
      So, deconstructing the spin, we have:

      Gamers by Age and Gender

      Girls 6 to 17 - 12%

      Boys 6 to 17 - 21%

      Women 18 or older - 26%

      Men 18 and up - 38%

      unknown - 3% (total 100%)

      Adults over 50 - 17% (was 13% in 2000)

      Average age - 29 (increased)

      Time spent gaming/week

      Overall average - 6.5 hrs/wk

      Boys 6 to 17 - 7.3 hrs/wk

      Poll based on a random national sample questioning 806 adults, reporting on the gaming habits of 1,048 game players including kids.

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    2. Re:Yes, more women than boys by Baron+von+Leezard · · Score: 4, Informative

      The trouble is that this is a marketing survey. They care about the relative size of their marketing groups: i.e. what percentage of the gaming market is represented by each demographic group. What most people want to know is what is the rate of gaming in each group. The following analysis calculates that (in a relative way, based on their data).

      Based on population data from the 2000 US Census, the US population breaks down like this:

      female 6-17: 9.6
      male 6-17: 9.3
      female 18+: 37.8
      male 18+: 36.5

      The ratio of the percentage of gamers to the percentage of population gives us a relative measure of "gaming likeliness":

      female 6-17: 1.25 = 12/9.6
      male 6-17: 2.26 = 21/9.3
      female 18+: 0.69 = 26/37.8
      male 18+: 1.04 = 38/36.5

      What the hell does this ratio mean? Well, it can't be translated into an absolute gaming rate since we don't know the total rate of gamers in the population. But it does tell us that males between 6 and 17 are 3.28 (=2.26/0.69) times as likely to be gamers as females over 18.

      So the numbers are really not as surprising as they seem to be. However, they are significant from a marketing perspective: women are an important gaming market these days. This is excellent news and should keep things interesting.

      The real lesson: statistics are tricky.

  8. That's my problem! by Ghoser777 · · Score: 4, Funny

    No wonder I can't find a date - everyone compatible with me is inside playing violent video games! I'd network with them, but they'd laugh at the speed of my dial-up modem...

    Matt Fahrenbacher

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  9. Re:thats odd by soft_guy · · Score: 5, Funny

    camps of korean chicks forced to play videogames to skew poll result

    I think that's the ultimate fantasy of just about everyone here.

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  10. unbelievable by nsuttitinagul · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I really don't think these statistics really indicate the truth.

    First off, video games are frequently directed toward males. How often do video game heroines become sex objects? Lara Croft is the easy example, but there are dozens of others in RPGs, fighting games, adventure, horror, and practically every genre.

    Perhaps the grain of truth in this is that women may be becoming more technically inclined than they were in the past. Certainly as a university student, the number of women in engineering is on the rise. Also, perhaps they see the presence of video game heroines as a show of the power of femininity in these games. Even while Eidos was building Tomb Raider, they were particularly cautious and uncertain about making their main character a woman.

    Regardless, is the show of women a good sign? If it helps create diversity in video games and help manufacturers build more innovative games than "Adventures of Barbie," then this can only help the industry.

    1. Re:unbelievable by soft_guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, your gut instinct is probably more reliable than a poll that is merely based on actual research data.

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    2. Re:unbelievable by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Oh please. Not this whole sex-object means it is targetted at men. Proof? Every fucking shampoo aimed at women contains a gorgeous naked babe. Why not show a naked guy?

      Women are far less troubled by naked boobies, after all they see them pretty much everyday. They are used to it and unlikely to lose all higher brain functions when things start jiggling. That doesn't stop the fact that the most favored addition to Neverwinter Nights is an erotic adventure created by a female. Women can be just as perverted, in my experience even more so, then men.

      So games really don't need to change all that much unless you are a sexist pig who believes that all men want brainless testorone pumpers and all women want fluffy duffy talkie feelie type games.

      Men and women can meet each other in the middle and together enjoy games. Women will just shrug off the overlarge boobs in say every RPG ever made with a "boys" and concentrate on enjoying the game. That at least is my experience. I have noted that none of the 2 females I introduced to "The longest journey" commented on april's normal physical build. I noticed it, to them it was just a minor detail, just as they did not get a kick out of seeing her in her undies :P wich means they just enjoyed the game and let the fanservice flow past them.

      Still it is amazing to believe one in four gamers is now a woman. Must be going to the wrong lan-parties.

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    3. Re:unbelievable by Malor · · Score: 5, Interesting

      When the first Tomb Raider came out, we had it in glorious accelerated 3DFX loveliness at the computer store where I worked. It was a popular demo.

      One of my coworkers brought her daughter in to see it; she stayed and played it for hours. The next day she brought her friends over, and we had a whole gaggle of teenage girls totally engrossed in the game. I remember being pretty amazed at how hooked they were; one of them would play and they'd all watch, and every once in awhile, they'd change who was controlling Lara. They were *mesmerized*.

      At the time, I figured it was because it was a female protagonist. I remember being acutely uncomfortable with Lara Croft and her Breasts of Impalement being a role model for those girls; talk about your unrealistic images! Even Barbie is rather staid and normal-looking compared to Lara Croft.

      Not sure exactly where I'm going with this. I guess I'm trying to point out that girls do indeed play video games if given material that interests them, and also that the typical male-oriented bimbo with the chainmail bikini may not be doing young women any favors. (or, probably, young men, for that matter.)

      I'm not saying it's going to leave huge psychic scars, but conditioning is probably the single most powerful influence on human behavior, and I suspect that this particular kind of conditioning isn't very healthy.

      (and yes, other media may be worse, but that doesn't make video games any better. It's still wrong for me to beat you with a stick, even if my neighbor would shoot you instead.)

  11. Explicit games are also on the increase... by R5900 · · Score: 5, Funny
    A even non-explicit ones, such as Tetsuya Mizuguchi's wonderful musical-shooter Rez, give unexpected vibrations to some women..

    BTW, this game is really good. Not your average rts/fps clone, but for those who like different games, worth a try .

  12. Lies, damn lies, and statistics by El · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does this mean that 21% are actually female, or that 21% identify themselves as female when playing online games? I suspect the latter. Polls based on a self-selecting group of individuals are never valid.

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  13. misleading stats by shird · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How does this mean there are more boys playing games than girls? The post is comparing two different age brackets.

    more women over 18 than young boys are playing games

    This means there is a higher % of women from 18 to ~80 playing games than boys 6 to 17. Well duh... there is a hell of a lot more people in the latter age bracket. Completely stupid stats.

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  14. The answer is yes by kudos200 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The study found that 26 percent of game players are women 18 or older, while at 38 percent are men 18 and up.

    Who writes this stuff? Do people read more than just the headlines anymore?

    I believe the headline compares "women" and "boys." Not "women" and "men." It is a long believed notion that videogame players are "little boys playing mario in the basement." The point is that times have changed. No longer are girls given "Barbie sidescroller junk" games. The sims and more are starting to appeal to them.

    In addition, the main group of gamers is getting older. People who were teens or so when Nintendo, Atari, Commodore came out are grown up now. And you can look at the way game focuses have changed as a result (the successful platforms (PS2 and XBox) are the ones catering to older guys: more violence, mayhem, etc). On the other hand, consoles like Nintendo are pointed towards the same audience (and this is probably where women are playing most). I guess I've gone off on a tangent though, so I'll stop now. My point is that, to answer your question, yes, people read the headlines.

  15. Makes Sense to Me by MBCook · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is this so suprising? Who has more disposible income? A 12 year old boy, or a 21 year old girl? While it's not the stereotype, I think it makes plenty of sense if you think about it.

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  16. Re:No way by mlk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was at an IGDA meet a few weeks ago, and the discussion was on Women in Gaming (which the IGDA have a forum on).
    The idea of "female games" and "male games" was not taken very well. Most women gamers actually play action games, while it is the men (males 18+) who play the "female games" (The Sims[1], EyeToy, Pokemon etc). While the games played by kids did was the same regardless of gender.

    [1] I'd argue that this has more to do with the Naked Patch than anything else ;-)

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  17. Hey, lets compare the oranges to the oranges. by thepacketmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The way this story presents the information, it must have an agenda. Look at the facts objectively: When you compare 6-17 boys with 6-17 girls, and 18+ men with 18+ women, the men are still the biggest game players.
    • 6-17 boys: 21%
    • 6-17 girls: 12%
    • 18+ men: 38%
    • 18+ women: 26%

    The real question is why does the ratio between males and females close as women get older? I would say there are two reasons:

    • First, I would say there is still some sort of ignorant social stigma that says girls shouldn't play video games. But by the time they're 18, the girls get over that.
    • Second, I have noticed my buddies with girlfriends play video games *with* their girlfriends, like any other social activity. And even girls I would consider non-gamers take an interest in their boyfriend's video games, just because the guys play them so much.
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  18. Skewed statistics by LINM · · Score: 4, Informative
    The age ranges seem to bias the primary comparison. I know how 'techy' everyone is getting nowadays, but I don't think that many 'boys' below 5th grade actually are able to engage in a lot of serious gaming. For starters, they are very young (at 6 years old - the starting range in the study - 'boys' are only in kindergarden and probably cannot even turn on a computer). Furthermore, boys under 18 are likely to be moderated away from excessive gaming (like my old Civilization to dawn marathons at undergrad with people watching). My parents would have taken the hardrive pretty quickly after that.

    So when you look at it the 'effective' age range for boys is probably 12-18 compared to a 40 year age range for women.

    What probably is better to look at is just that 38% of the gamers are women. Surprisingly high to me, but good for them!

    To sum up the numbers:

    ..............Men........Women
    6-17.......21..... ....12......33
    18+........38.........26......64
    Sum..........59.........38......97

    The remaining 3% have morphed into an unidentifiable classification.

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    1. Re:Skewed statistics by Kelz · · Score: 4, Funny

      The remaining 3% have morphed into an unidentifiable classification.

      Uhhh you mean the 1-5 year olds you left out? Though sometimes they DO act like little monsters....

  19. Re:No way by camusflage · · Score: 4, Funny

    Try going to the mall, go to the games stores and talk to a few female clerks. You'll find the type I mean without that much trouble.

    Hmmm. I'm seeing a new /. pickup strategy. Any female into computer games is halfway home to stealing the average geek's heart!

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  20. 26%!!!!!! by zarthrag · · Score: 5, Funny

    What have I been doing with my life! I can't believe that! Do you know what this means?!?!?!? My chances of picking up a gamer chick have just gone WAAAAAY up! All I have to do is figure out what game...God I hope it isn't the sims....
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  21. So what? by dicepackage · · Score: 4, Funny

    72 percent of all statistics are made up.

  22. Dance Dance Revolution by HidingMyName · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And similar games seem to get fairly mixed play at our local arcade, but I'd guess it is still about 2 guys to 1 girl I see playing. Girls are coming into the arcade more, and not just to find their boy friends. Driving games and (to a lesser extent) Soul Calibur II seem popular with the girls.

  23. Nope... by MrPower · · Score: 5, Funny

    If it were joystick envy they would all be stuck back in time playing The Games: Summer Edition.

    I know for sure that game prepared me for my current sex life!

  24. Bias by GregoryD · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What I would like to know is:

    Do they include online games like pogo.com? I don't care what you say, something bejeweled and bingo are not true "games". They are, but good luck selling something like bejeweled for 40 bucks a pop. And I doubt they spend .00001 of a percent as much as valve on HL2 or something.

    Also, I know from personal experince that the only people who answer surveys are stay at home types and female. When I worked for a survey place it was easily 25 women respondants for every 1 male respondants. And we didn't exclusivly call from 9a to 5p either. We worked till 10p.

  25. I would have never thought... by rustycage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would see my wife playing video games. A few months ago I bought a GBA SP cause it looked cool and I kept hearing great things about Advance Wars. Little did I know that 75% of it's use is by my wife who never touched my PS2. The 3D games "make her dizzy" she says. Seems she real likes the old school platformers like Yoshi's Island. She said she used to play it as a kid(much to my surprise). My daughter is almost as bad with the GBA, except I am ALLOWED to restrict her video game time. Probably going to need to get another SP within a few months if I ever want to finish Advance Wars. *sigh*

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  26. Unfortunately for us.... by DwarfGoanna · · Score: 5, Funny

    They are incidentally the female analogue of male slashdot posters. They aren't getting laid either.

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  27. My wife... by quinkin · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Well I'm the first to say my wife isn't exactly average (smart and a babe? im a lucky geek) - but she enjoys a fair breadth of games. Civ3, Tekken3, JetSet Radio Future, any and all card/mahjong games, Sega GT, and especially carmaggedon (damn she loved that game - I pray she never gets her license...).

    I hate to stereo type, but last night it was my mates and I playing 4 player deathmatch DieHard, while she was busy with world domination in Civ3.

    Men=Destroy
    Women=Create

    Awfully simplistic (setting up the troll nets now) I know, but it is one of those stereotypes with a basis in reality. I am not alledging any causality here, only correlation.

    To eventually finish my point: There are a larger number of games available that are not purely based around the see-something, shoot-it principle that has worked so admirably in the past. Perhaps it is this that is generating enough interest among the female gamers?

    Q.

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  28. Women are playing every game out there... by Fricka · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm female and over 18 so I fit in that 26% statistic. I tried the Sims and The Sims Online so can fit that stereotype, but I didn't last very long with either one. I also enjoyed Tomb Raider. However; I've played Castle Wolfenstein and Action Quake. I gave Halflife a go too but got motion sickness on that darn ladder (of all things)!

    I know many other women who are playing other FPS games. There are message boards devoted to just such gamers. As well as more devoted to all female clans.

    If you want to see alot of women playing games look to the MMORPGs. Tons of women there. Myself, I've been playing them for awhile and have beta tested many of them, including Planetside, which is arguably more of a "male" game. Another tidbit that might surprise some is that one of the things that kept me playing MMORPGs was the PvP aspect of it. I enjoyed the competition even when most of my victims assumed I was male.

    Bottom line: don't be so surprised at the statistics nor assume that these 18+ yr old females are only playing one type of game.

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  29. Re:Unfortunately for us.... x1488 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    Relationships are for adults.

    Who said anything about relationships? He said "getting laid."

  30. Re:Unfortunately for us.... x1488 by Efreet · · Score: 4, Informative

    (as a slashdotter who has a girlfriend)

    If you're desperate, you're incapable (ie, too immature) of taking care of your current problems.

    I'd allways thought that was just basic psychology, "if other people like it, it must be good." If you show a photo of a guy ( and it works for girls too) to a hundred girls, and tell half of them that hes married they will on average rate him as much more handsom than the other fifty.

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  31. What was the poll question? by westendgirl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I looked through the article, but I didn't see the question they asked respondents. Consider the difference between "Have you purchased a video game in the past 12 months?", "Have you played a video game in the past 12 months?", and "Have you played a video game more than 10 times in the past 12 months?"

    The first question would garner affirmative responses from parents, spouses, boy/girlfriends, grandparents and aunts/uncles. If we consider that women make most "gift" purchases, then women should show a history of purchasing video games even if they don't play games.

    The second question would get hits from women whose partners pester them to play the occasional game, as well as those with idle interest in playing the occasional game.

    Only the third question would really reveal whether we are talking about gamers.

    That being said, I'm a married woman who loves games. And I don't work in R&D -- I'm a marketer. My husband? A software architect who finds games geeky.

    Andrea

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