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Digital Ink On Billboards

cdneng2 writes "The New York Times has this article on a revolutionary new billboard. It uses digital ink, versus the typical CRT, LCD, Neon, or Plasma displays that are so prominent on the newer billboards that wastes electricity. From the article: 'By creating a paste made of tiny helix-shaped particles that can be minutely manipulated with electric charges to reflect light in highly specific ways, Magink can produce surfaces that look like paper but behave like electronic screens, rendering high-resolution, full-color images without ink - or, as Magink executives like to refer to the process, with digital ink.' The billboard can display images at 70 frames per second." You can find more articles on the billboard technology on the Magink website.

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  1. Why oh why... by Enoch+Root · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why is it that nowadays, any new cool thing is invented either for military or advertising use?

    The day advertising and the military merge, we'll be in a world of hurt. They'll end up creating a pop-up that kills, I tell ya.

    1. Re:Why oh why... by Sideswiped · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry to burst your bubble but its been like this for sometime now.

    2. Re:Why oh why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The day advertising and the military merge, we'll be in a world of hurt.

      Wake up dude. That last 3 US wars (Iraq, Afganistan, Iraq) have been full-on media circuses.

    3. Re:Why oh why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wake up dude, if you think Desert storm was the last war America faught in before it's afgan killing spree.

    4. Re:Why oh why... by maan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >> Why is it that nowadays, any new cool thing is invented either for military or advertising use?

      > Porn...

      What, you mean to tell me that porn doesn't depend/use advertising for its own existence?? No...I couldn't believe it!

      Porn has stopped using new innovations (and pushing for more) compared to a few years ago. It essentially only advertises like mad (hasn't stopped), and of course sites cross-advertise for each other...

      (As a side note: I'm sure the military "use" porn too... ;)

  2. Great! by PakProtector · · Score: 2, Funny

    I know what colour I'm painting my walls next week! Every colour of the spectrum, in a slow rotation cycle defined by background noise and controled by my toaster that runs BSD!

    Or I could just make a lifesize picture of Morgan Webb.

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    1. Re:Great! by tuba_dude · · Score: 2, Funny
      Crap, you got to it first! I definitely think that a wallpaper-like implementation would be sweet. Personally, I'd like a visualization plugin running from xmms or winamp on my walls. That would be perfect for parties! And hell, if you can do that, why not use one when you host a LAN party?

      Jeez...all these ideas...

      Movie Theater
      Game room (Smash Brothers, DDR, Midnight Club 2, blah blah...)
      Computer Display (UT2k3, photo editing, woo!)
      ...Replace the Projector/Whiteboard combo for presentations! Make a touch-sensitive overlay, something like a huge wacom tablet. That'll bring a whole new level of photo editing goodness!

      Whoo...need to breathe...getting a little *too* excited...
      ...hmmm...'excited'...now THAT could be interesting...

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    2. Re:Great! by cybermace5 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can see one major problem with this fantasy: digital ink is not a light-emitting medium. Nerds will be distracted and confused by the necessary blinding abundance of what we call "room lighting."

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  3. revolutionary? not yet. by kevin+lyda · · Score: 3, Interesting
    it's not revolutionary - there have been stories on /. about this for years. revolutionary would be making a laptop using "digital paper" or whatever they're calling it these days. and would they hurry the fsck up?

    combine that with a flash disk or some other form of solid state store and a transmeta or via c3 cpu and you've removed the three biggest power draws on a laptop.

    essentially, i'd like a laptop that could do 24 hours w/o ac power.

    oh, for older stories on /. about this, see here.

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  4. My three-year old does this ... by I+don't+want+to+spen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Digital ink = finger painting.

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  5. e-books by martinthebrit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does this technology scale down? Could it provide a solution to e-books that provide as enjoyable an experience as dead trees?

    Disclaimer: I haven't RTFA'd yet. Better go do that now.

  6. whitepaper stats by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 5, Informative
    From their whitepaper:

    Print quality image

    Combining 5mm pixel pitch, an RGB color model with 4096 colors, and a superior contrast ratio of 14:1, magink digital ink technology achieves an extremely natural look that very much resembles the look of printed images on paper.

    Compatibility to outdoor lighting environment

    magink's digital ink display billboard is reflective of incident light and requires no integrated illumination. Light that falls on the display from either the sun or external light sources is actually beneficial to the visibility of the image. A beautiful image is maintainable under the full range of daylight conditions.

    Low energy consumption

    magink display does not require any power to maintain an image: the image is held under power-off conditions. Only when replacing one image with another does the display require punctual application of power in order to set the new image.

    Since energy is needed only for refreshing the image and since magink's digital ink reflective display does not require back lighting, power consumption is low yielding less energy consumption, less heat dissipation and a longer mean time between failure (MTBF).

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    1. Re:whitepaper stats by zakezuke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Compatibility to outdoor lighting environment

      magink's digital ink display billboard is reflective of incident light and requires no integrated illumination. Light that falls on the display from either the sun or external light sources is actually beneficial to the visibility of the image. A beautiful image is maintainable under the full range of daylight conditions.


      I have to admit, this idea is attractive to me, though i'm scared at the fact that i'm actually for a form of advertsing technology.

      My issue is this... near where I live on I-5 there is a huge graphic display billboard. Not sure if it's plasma or LCD or what, but it's one bright sucker It's so bright infact that driving tward it highlights every nick, scratch, bit of dust on my windshield. The reason I invested in a new windshield infact was due to this ultra bright computer generated sign from hell, esp since they don't automaticly dim the sucker based on accurate "sunset/sunrise" times (based on my observation only).

      Now, it's good I replaced my old tattered scrached up windshield, but I shouldn't have to just because of a stupid sign who's technical design by it's very nature requires so much light it's a hazzard to people driving.

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    2. Re:whitepaper stats by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Funny

      This would be the nightmarish electronic billboard between seattle and federal way over by the some RV boat dealership.

      What's sad is the fact that you need something to stare at while you are stuck in traffic in order to maintain your sanity. If they could find a nice balance between a full color dynamic display I'd be perfectly willing to let it exist without complaints.

      My use of the word *hazzard* is in reference to "the dukes of hazzard" as it blinks brightly at the wrong time causing people to steer off the road and their cars jump over the overpass going "yeeeeehaaaaaaaaaa"

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  7. Wallpaper? by orthogonal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can it be produced cheaply enough -- and with high enough resolution -- to replace wallpaper?

    Would it work as a large TV monitor? The frame rate is up to 70/sec, so the question, again, is resolution.

    1. Re:Wallpaper? by stevenp · · Score: 3, Informative

      >> Would it work as a large TV monitor? The frame rate is up to 70/sec, so the question, again, is resolution.

      This link mentions resolutions in the range 120-150 dpi, but AFAIR one of the first EInk demo screens had about 300 dpi resolution (as a laser printer)

    2. Re:Wallpaper? by Psyborgue · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Based on that DPI, at the size of a billboard, i don't know of any videocard in the world that could drive something like that. for example. create a document say: 5 * 15 feet (and that's being nice). Fill it up with random stuff. Print it off as an uncompressed postscript at 300 dpi. Examine file size... if you can.

  8. A question by Matrix2110 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Question: Does anybody know a simple explanation of why they don't go with back lighting or even perhaps rejiggering the dyes and black lighting this?

    I guess I am a CRT snob, but I remember an IBM technology demo showing 400DPI. It was loosely based on LCD technology. It was backlit. Of course it did not have the refresh rate that this sign has.

    Also notice those page sized tiles in the prototype.

    Looks like this technology is heading our way fast.

    1. Re:A question by AlecC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Same reason you don't have back lighting on a book: it is an absorbtive, not emissive, technology. The coloured elements seem to be opaque, so backlighting wouldn't work.

      There seems to be no reason why they couldn't scale the technology down to PC size. But I think they have targeted the big-ticket applications for their first market - not a stupid idea. If they can replace "million dollar" displays with "80,000 dollar" ones, there are some *big* shot term profits to make the money to fund the mass production line to manufacture cellphone displays at the millions/month level you need to get the costs down.

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    2. Re:A question by AlecC · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, you can shine a flashlight through paper from behind. But the losses are horrendous - I woudl ahve though >95%. Consider how close you have to bring the flashlight to see the picture from behind, vs how far away you can take the same flashlight if you are shining from the front. You woudl be much better spending your energy shining a light from the front - and a floodlight is probably much cheaper than an equivalent area of computer backlight.

      Horses for courses - if you really want an emissive display, go for the current technologies of LCD or plama. This is something difffernt and, potentially, better. I took my laptop into the garden yesterday - and had great difficulty reading it because of sunlight. This would get easier to read with more light.

      Humans are creatures of light; emissive displays are creatures of dark. Putting the two together requires compromises: avoid directt light sources, fear reflections. Turn the light down and your screen becomes more readable but fine print documentation becomes less readable. Turn lhe light up and the screen washes out as the fine print comes into focus. With absorbtive displays, the two become visible together. And reduced power consumption has got to be good. This might make e-books worth having. Battery life greatly increased, because power only consumed when you move the page (system can completely power down between button pushes), readable in a bright light.

      Remember LED watches, as mocked in Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy? LCDs (non-lit) wiped those out almost overnight, because using power for a continuous, slowly changing display is ridiculous.

      Don't expect new displays to be identical to old - evaluate and exploit their differences. If you analyse them, both CRTs and LCDs are rotten displays - but they are the best we have got, so we use them everywhere. Sometime soon someone is going to come out with a good absorbtive display - maybe this one, maybe another - and that will spread like wildfire.

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  9. I need another distraction by odenshaw · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now, when I'm driving to work in the morning, a huge TV ad can distract me from driving, talking on my phone, reading the paper, shaving, eating, and putting my pants on.
    How am I supposed to get ready for work!?

    1. Re:I need another distraction by AllenChristopher · · Score: 3, Insightful
      They never once suggest actually animating an ad. The article constantly refers to "selling ads by the hour." There are good reasons for this.

      One is that a billboard ad is seen by people in passing. If you glance up from your car and take in a tenth of a second from an animated ad you may miss the whole point. A static ad at least has the brand logo on it at all times, which means it impinges on some part of a viewers mind.

      The second reason is that angling for animated ads would probably put Magink out of business. Anytime the car crash statistics rose even slightly the public would blame those annoying animated ads. Bylaws would have them out of the cities for good. Joe may tolerate tobacco that gradually kills him, he may tolerate a cell-phone he chooses to use that distracts him at a critical moment, but if a supermodel flashes twelve-foot breasts at him just before a car accident, you can damn well believe Joe will blame the ad in his post-accident fury.

    2. Re:I need another distraction by haa...jesus+christ · · Score: 2, Informative

      they actually run short, animated commercials outside the holand tunnel entrance (coming from the east side) in new york. luckily for the advertiser, there's usually enough traffic that a viewer can actually see the whole thing.

  10. defaceing? by Sideswiped · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a question. I haven't read into digital ink to any great extent,but I was wondering how easly these things coud be defaced? Do magnetic fields have any effect on these babies? If some sort of a electrical charge was dragged over the board how would this effect the image?

    1. Re:defaceing? by Generic+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Magnetic fields? I'd be more worried in what happens when teenagers spray paint these things, as they tend to do.

      Or thinking more specifically about my area (Detroit), how does this billboard handle a couple of handgun shells unloaded into it?

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  11. It requires no power! Not good... by Lobsang · · Score: 3, Funny

    The display requires no power, only when changing images. Images are retained when the power is off.

    Does it mean that, when my boss comes into my room and I'm watching pr0n, just turning my laptop off in panic will leave a big pr0n screen still visible?

    Not good, not good...

  12. Your Message Here, in a Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Your Message Here, in a Flash
    By MICHEL MARRIOTT

    IN an industrial building on the Jersey City waterfront, workers busily printed supersize images for building facades and billboards intended to paper even the most casual viewer with brand awareness. Suspended near the rafters were full-color images of the youth tribes of Gap and giant emblems of National Basketball Association teams; on a far wall a portrait of a Seagram's vodka bottle hung two stories high.

    In another corner, near the executive offices of Nomad Worldwide - one of the world's biggest large-format printers of the images that adorn billboards and those vinyl advertisements that wrap around entire buildings - was a different kind of ad, one that Keyvan Ebrahimi, the company's general manager, said might well represent the future of his industry.

    "I think it's revolutionary," he said. "It certainly can replace billboards."

    Standing on four metal legs, under two banks of fluorescent lights, was what appeared to be a modest-size billboard, measuring about 9 feet wide by 4 feet in height. Across its face, which looks like paper under glass, was a full-color advertisement for a soft drink maker. A few moments later the ad disappeared and was digitally replaced with a different one, and then another, like a screensaver cycling through images on a laptop computer screen.

    But the surface of this billboard is not a liquid crystal diode screen - the energy-hungry display common to laptops and increasingly to cellphones, digital cameras, digital organizers and flat-screen computer monitors and television sets. Neither does this billboard share the light-emitting-diode technology that makes million-dollar-plus video screens light up the night in Times Square, Las Vegas and sports arenas around the world.

    What makes the electronic billboard in Jersey City possible (and those installed for trials in London, Tokyo, Toronto and Panama City, among other locations) is an innovation by a New York-based display technology company whose name, Magink, is a combination of the words magic and ink. Its approach to imaging departs from the way most text, graphics and images are electronically presented, including the way expensive plasma screens work, as well as cathode-ray tubes, the old workhorses still found in most television sets and desktop computer monitors.

    By creating a paste made of tiny helix-shaped particles that can be minutely manipulated with electric charges to reflect light in highly specific ways, Magink can produce surfaces that look like paper but behave like electronic screens, rendering high-resolution, full-color images without ink - or, as Magink executives like to refer to the process, with digital ink.

    Ran Poliakine, chief executive of Magink, said the idea was to create visually compelling ads that could be replaced frequently - perhaps hourly, based on consumer response - and could be controlled remotely, all with far less energy and at a far lower cost than a video billboard.

    Mr. Poliakine said Magink, which has research operations in England and Israel, was the first company to bring full-color digital ink displays to the marketplace. And soon, he said, its creation will begin competing more directly with traditional billboards in the $19 billion worldwide outdoor-advertising market. Nomad Worldwide, at its Jersey City plant, is among those evaluating the technology's potential.

    "The last revolution was computer printing, and we believe the next revolution is digital ink on billboards," Mr. Poliakine said, comparing his company's advances to the first digital printing of billboard images more than a decade ago. Now, he added, his three-year-old company is also studying ways to expand the application of its core technology to personal electronics, including cellular telephones, cameras, hand-held computers and general video displays for laptops and televisions.

    Magink prototype screens are capable of displaying video images at more than 70 frames a second, twice th

  13. Their Web site says that the system... by JessLeah · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...runs Windows.

    Is this really the best choice for something that thousands (or tens of thousands) of people will see each day as they drive down the highway?

    At the PATH terminals in New Jersey, they have "PATHVision" displays. They run Windows. For a long time, virtually every day, pretty much half of the terminals were displaying an error dialog or worse. I also think I saw one of their ticket vending machines displaying a BSoD.

    I really wish that companies who come up with stuff this cool would not depend so heavily on Windows. Imagine driving down the highway and seeing a gigantic, 50-foot-wide Blue Screen of Death. If my experiences with the PATHVision monitors were an example of what is to come... well, it could happen!

    Here is what happens when airports depend upon Windows...

    1. Re:Their Web site says that the system... by tuba_dude · · Score: 2, Funny
      Imagine driving down the highway and seeing a gigantic, 50-foot-wide Blue Screen of Death.

      You know what, I'm sure I'd follow that billboard's lead and crash too. (Not quite directly of course, laughter vs. software failure and all that)

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  14. Specs by orthogonal · · Score: 2, Insightful
    From Magink's website:

    Key Features and Benefits

    Print quality image
    Combining 5mm pixel pitch, an RGB color model with 4096 colors, and a superior contrast ratio of 14:1


    5mm = .5cm. Rather large for TV, but it could make a decent if blocky wallpaper.

    The smallest frame size is 1m x 2m, so that would be 200 x 400 pixels, bigger than a Palm Pilot and bigger in pixel count but less square than a Zaurus.

    4096 colors is low compared to a modern PC.
  15. Response Time & Dot Pitch? by koniosis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    video images at more than 70 frames a second, twice the speed needed to produce smooth, cinematic motion

    Thats all very well but what are the response times like? Practically all LCDs have a 60fps refresh time, but with a respone of 30ms or more, fast moving images would look horrid, leaving lots of streaks. The article doesn't mention the dot-pitch specs of these digital ink screens either, I'd like to see what sort of resolution and at what size these things could produce. If it had a fast enough reponse you could play Quake III on a 70ft screen!!!

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    1. Re:Response Time & Dot Pitch? by koniosis · · Score: 5, Informative

      response time is different from refresh, i'll explain. If you take a normal LCD they usually have a 60Hz refresh and say 25-30ms response. What this means is that the LCD can show 60 different frams every second. However, the response time measures how long it takes for the LCD to change frames, the longer the time the longer the last image that was on the LCD is displayed, so if you have a high response time (25ms is considered normal but not good) then you will get "streaking" effects, where the previous frames overlap with the new frames. This can cause a horrible image and is very noticeable when the frames are very different e.g. fast motion graphics (films, games). Newer LCDs report a 16ms response, which makes streaking almost invisible in most cases. So you see, this is why I wanted to know what the response of the ink is.

      Also you may be wondering about TVs and their response time, T.Vs and Monitors (CRT) don't have a response time (or more to the point its the same as the refresh) because on a CRT screen the previous frame is not remembered as the "pixels" on a CRT so to speak, need to be constatly energised to display anything, so the second that the cathode ray stops hitting the phosphor the image dissapears, thus no reponse time.

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    2. Re:Response Time & Dot Pitch? by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 2, Informative
      T.Vs and Monitors (CRT) don't have a response time (or more to the point its the same as the refresh) because on a CRT screen the previous frame is not remembered as the "pixels" on a CRT so to speak, need to be constatly energised to display anything, so the second that the cathode ray stops hitting the phosphor the image dissapears, thus no reponse time.

      What I think you meant to say was that the response time of a CRT is much smaller than the response time of an LCD.

      The way a CRT works is that the electron beam hits the phosphorous (that doesn't actually contain any phosporous) which is excited and emits the desired component of light for some time after having been energized.

      So there's a definite response time, there has to be otherwise you'd see a very flickery screen, and it's actually shorter than the time to next refresh. If we had faster eyes we'd see it, and with suitable detectors you can actually recover the CRT image (pdf) from the diffuse reflection (TV glow), since the phosphoruous doesn't glow nearly long enough to smear the picture in the time domain. (Cool bit of research that).

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  16. I can just see it all now by TyrranzzX · · Score: 2, Funny

    A family in their minivan riding down the road, all of a sudden a billboard flashing red and yellow advertising viagra pops out of nowhere distracting hundreds of drivers causing a car accidents all over.

    Seriously. Good intention, bad idea. At least it'll give hacker groups the ability to show their views to the world.

  17. Expect this to appear in living rooms soon by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's try scaling this technology up the curve a little:

    - 10-bit color (4096 colors) will become 16-bit and then 24-bit.
    - 5mm pixels will become 1mm and then 1/10thmm
    - the borders between the pages appear 1 pixel wide, and will thus vanish
    - cost of $8,000 will drop to $2,500, then $500.

    Yes, looks good!

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    1. Re:Expect this to appear in living rooms soon by Ziviyr · · Score: 3, Informative

      10-bit color (4096 colors)

      10 bit equals 1024 colors
      12 bit equals 4096 colors

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  18. Globals like on "Earth Final Conflict" by gavinjolly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A PDA that you can scroll the screen out to a decent size and when finished scroll it up and back into your pocket.

    Thank you Lord for SciFi leading the way in Development of technology

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  19. Speaking of neon. . . by ahfoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about using a display like this with flourescent particles and then surrounding it in heavy UV argon/mercury tubes.
    I'm just thinking that if it's so much like paper, then that's one of the ways paper billboards are enhanced for better nighttime viewing.
    Cartoon images could potentially be quite intense. Think of, for instance, the Simpsons done this way.
    But as cool as this is, I still think that in the long-term we're going to see effiecient, mass produced, high powered lasers dominate the outdoor display market and perhaps other display markets as well. But since high powered lasers are still a very long way from cheap at this point, this is a cool near-term solution.

  20. Distraction... by mikeselectricstuff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How long before they get sued by someone who crashes their car after being distracted by a moving image one a billboard....

  21. Screw Billboards by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 4, Interesting
    What I want is to cover all the walls of my crappy little dorm room with it. How cool would it be to transform your room into a beach. Even cooler would be that it could be animated! I could sit back and watch the waves crash on the shore. Or, if for some reason a female were to come over, I could transform my room into the ultimate bachelor pad simply by changing the display program.

    If this were advanced sufficiently, I could then even play bf1942 on this once I realized said female was imaginary and never came over in the first place.

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    1. Re:Screw Billboards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or, if for some reason a female were to come over,

      Even technology has its limits.

    2. Re:Screw Billboards by Carrion+Creeper · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wait, I'm confused...

      So was the female in your room imaginary, or was the fact that she was "coming" in your room imaginary?

      I hate to say this, but maybe you could stand to surf maybe just a little pr0n on your wall-screens. As an educational tool. Just remember to erase it or the presence of the female will also be imaginary.


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  22. Ah, now I understand... by supertsaar · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the f. article
    "...an innovation by a New York-based display technology company whose name, Magink, is a combination of the words magic and ink..."
    Pfew. Glad they explained that, I'd never-ever would have guessed that.
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  23. Re:a pop-up that kills by Technician · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ever heard of a silo? ;-)

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  24. Ah, perfect for my car by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Some days my car should be red. Some days blue. Some days a nice mauve. Then polka dots that change colors. How about flames that really flicker? Can't imagine flames on my wagon, but why not? Checkerboard? Heck, you can actually play checkers! Or chess. Or Othello. Backgammon. Hah, you can even play tetris. I can have my phone number flash on the side when I pass a cute girl (oh wait, I drive a wagon). I can have messages flash on the back telling that moron driving 30 in a 50 what I think of them. There's a world of possibilities here!

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    1. Re:Ah, perfect for my car by buttahead · · Score: 3, Funny

      just a little nit-pik here:

      I can have messages flash on the back telling that moron driving 30 in a 50 what I think of them

      if he is going slow, and is behind you... you might want to display "sorry, I'm driving 30 in a 50 zone... I'm a moron, please pass me".

    2. Re:Ah, perfect for my car by kavau · · Score: 2, Funny
      I can have messages flash on the back telling that moron driving 30 in a 50 what I think of them.

      Did you ever consider that the only reason this "moron" is driving so slow is that you are in his way?

  25. Re:Not just advertising by supertsaar · · Score: 3, Informative

    Whitepaper mentions approx. 2 second refresh rate. That's a loooooong way from 70 fps. Sounds like some person in the marketing department had a little too much faith in their product.

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  26. In other words: by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In other words, they failed to get the resolution high enough for use in displays and standard digital paper, and now they only thing it's good for is billboards. Cool, but not nearly as cool as what all the digital ink companies promised we'd have by now.

  27. Dangerous? by the+uNF+cola · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This can be a little dangerous, if placed near to highways.

    If you live in NYC, and have driven down the west side high way, there's a billboard, a tv billboard, which you see when you drive south around 23rd street in Manhattan. Am I the only one who gets a little distracted by these things? Anytime I pass by, I have to make a concerted effort NOT to have my eyes flit back and forth.

    What about the ones in Times Square you may ask? They are MUCH MUCH higher up, out of line of sight for drivers. This one is about 3 stories high at about a few hundred feet away from the road. Ideal for drivers watching.

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  28. Lower Tech Changing Billboards by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In this country, we have a few billboards which consist of a row of triangular prisms, disposed vertically, parallel to one another, and able to revolve on spindles. At one end of each spindle is a cog wheel, and a chain connects them all to a motor. As the motor turns, all the prisms revolve together. A limit switch is used to detect when the flat sides line up together. This whole assembly is mounted in a shallow box. Three posters are cut up and slices of each affixed around the prisms in such a way that at each of the limit stops, a complete poster is visible. A cyclic timer relay closes briefly to start the motor every few seconds; the limit switch keeps it running until it hits a stop position.

    I believe this kind of sign is not allowed near busy road junctions.

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  29. The future is not set ... by Chran · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Shades of Minority Report...

    But imagine the possibilities.
    A series of sci-fi books by Stephen Baxter (The Manifold Sequence) describe technology like this.

    They use flat, flexible view screens that can be used anywhere.

    This is very exciting.

    But of course it will be used for advertising...

  30. Ads based on what you are listening to by G4from128k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Sept 12 dead tree edition of the Wall Street Journal had an interesting article on companies that deploy billboards that change throughout the day -- one intended application for these digital ink billboards.

    The most interesting variant uses a roadside scanner that detects which radio stations are tuned in on the various cars going by the sign. The system then aggregates the data on who is listening to what and decides what ad message to put up. If most people are listening to the game, maybe an ad for the local sports bar will appear. If a cluster of classical music listeners drives past, then an ad for season tickets to the opera might briefly appear.

    There's no word on whether the system can tell which MP3 file you are listening to. Yet.

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    1. Re:Ads based on what you are listening to by ahoehn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Without making a joke about our new targeted advertising overlords; I really don't have a problem with targeted advertising. Sure, I don't enjoy my every movement being tracked on the interweb; but if I'm going to be subjected to advertising I'd rather it be for things I care about.

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  31. The material? by computerlady · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm curious about the "tiny helix-shaped particles." What the heck are they?

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    1. Re:The material? by buzy+buzy · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is made from two pannels with particals between them.

      This is essentially the paper.

      The particals are coloured Red/Green/Blue on one side and Black on the other.

      A static charge can cause a partical to rotate in it's position between the layers and show for instance either red or black.

      Now just think of these as pixels and you get the idea.

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  32. John Anderton! - I have a new cola for you! by spineboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The obligatory Minority Report reference here for future advertising.
    Now with RFID technology, adds can be specifically directed at individuals. Brrrr.

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  33. May change the adverts we see in the future by buzy+buzy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember seeing this technology well over a year ago (maybe 2 or 3) where they were using this "smart paper" for electronic price tags in stores. As prices changed (e.g. for a sale) the store computer would simply send a signal to the paper to change the content.

    This was only available in black and white (well black and light grey anyway) but they were discussing how to do colour back then. This is mealy an extension of that technology.

    This will be interesting for making redundant traditional billboards as they it will reduce the costs involved in bill posting (at the expense of jobs (I imaging) but that's technology) and obsolete billboards which display multiple adverts (usually by having a motorised system of rotating panels). Never the less I can't see it replacing certain screens in Time Square and London's Piccadilly as motion video still packs a greater advertising punch.

    Now the only question is that when the ASA (Advertising Standards Authority) complains that an adverts content is too raunchy and should be removed (e.g. those wonderbra adds that allegedly caused car crashes through driver distraction), can be removed as soon as the decision is taken which will either cause a reduction or a dramatic increase in shock advertising).

    Oh well time will tell.

    Just my 0.02

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  34. Articles on the technology by G4from128k · · Score: 3, Informative

    See Don't Touch that Radio Button, You're on Billboard Detection for a freely accessible version of this story. It sounds like the system can detect leakage from car radio antennas, although some people are skeptical of its accuracy.

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  35. if one of those things appears near me... by Psyborgue · · Score: 2, Funny

    it will dissappear very quickly, and wind up hung on my bedroom wall.. hee hee.. anybody have a flatbed truck in the virginia area?

  36. Re:revolutionary? not yet. by timeOday · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm glad this is finally ready for an application. Mainly because it's a reflective rather than emissive display. That means when ambient light is brighter, so is the display, so it should look fine in sunlight. This is unlike CRTs and backlit LCDs which look washed out in bright light. This would free us nerds from lurking in dimly lit, mushroom-conducive workspaces. None of which is to say that this company has finally "solved" the problem, but a first real application is a big step!

  37. Easily overlooked part of the article by SurturZ · · Score: 3, Funny

    The article describes the billboard as "...an innovation by a New York-based display technology company whose name, Magink, is a combination of the words magic and ink."

    Lucky they mentioned that. At first I thought the name was a combination of the words "Ma" and "Gink".

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  38. Re:Active Camo? by Canuckanuck · · Score: 2, Funny

    "That seems to be an issue nobody addressed, but if it is this seems like technology the military could use to create active camouflage. Just take a pic of the view opposite the direction the vehicle is traveling and display it on the front and vice versa."


    Hello Cloaking Device! Now if only they'd invent transporters...
  39. More targeted by yerricde · · Score: 2

    It has the appearance of an LCD with it's poor viewing angle.

    This is entirely the point. If only one driver can see the ad at a given time, the billboard owner can sell more targeted advertising space based on the make and model of the car approaching the billboard.

    Besides, LCD viewing angles have got a lot better over the past years. Even in mid-1999, when Rose-Hulman was putting together Acer TravelMate 721TX laptop bundles for its incoming freshmen, the viewing angles were wide enough not to cause a problem.

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  40. Tile based rendering by yerricde · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Based on that DPI, at the size of a billboard, i don't know of any videocard in the world that could drive something like that.

    OK, one video card probably couldn't handle this resolution, but imagine video cards in a Beowulf cluster. Give each blade the job of driving 1024x1024 pixels' worth of the image, and you have implemented a parallel method of image rendering that is commonly called "tile based rendering".

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  41. Ever see the movie Turk182? by bs_02_06_02 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Imagine the teenagers of the future... leaving the gift that keeps on giving. They could have graffiti that changes by remote control.

    Imagine a national press conference and suddenly, the wall behind the speaker changes to show a particularly embarrassing photo from the speakers' past. The networks would probably be in delay, so they might have a chance to roll to another camera. Think of the fun you could have? ... or the nastiness that could happen?

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  42. That's actually useful, guy... by alispguru · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I park my car in the middle of summer. As I get out and lock up, the car senses the temperature and time of day, the body turns white and the windows all go mirror-refelctive. When I get back, the inside of the car is ambient air temperature instead of 140F.

    In the winter, the car body goes black and the windows stay clear, keeping the inside warm and reducing the snow and ice buildup.

    In either case, I come out of the shopping center, push a button on my keychain, and the car's color starts flashing between international orange and white/black. Quieter than chirping the horn/alarm, and works better in daylight than flashing the headlights.

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  43. what does the future hold... by SurgTech · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does this mean in the future, my monitor might become a big $500 color magnadoodle?