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Amateur Radio Braces for Hurricane Isabel

TaxSlave writes "Amateur Radio operators in North Carolina and elsewhere in the projected track of Hurricane Isabel are getting ready for action. ARES has been activated in many areas, and hams are recommended to be ready. NC ARES has an information page for the storm and Hurricane Watch Net has a good info page as well. Even outside the major storm area, hams are posted at shelters which are filling up with storm refugees."

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  1. Hams by pheared · · Score: 3, Funny

    Mmmm... Ham.

  2. Go hams go! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My boyfriend is in his 20s and is a ham. People might think hams are a bunch of old farts, but that's not entirely true. When the grid is down, you can always count on hams to be there to help!

    1. Re:Go hams go! by theflea · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have much respect for hams and librarians. These mediums are the earlier "information superhighways", and the people who run them have a genuine desire to connect people with information.

      They're definitely OG (original geek).

  3. Attention Michael by illsorted · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's good to see that the Hams are in action and all, but do you think it's very responsible to be slashdotting the servers of organizations providing emergency services in a disaster?

    Eh?

    1. Re:Attention Michael by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't you think that their website is not really the critical element of the emergency service?

      --
      Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
  4. Blatant anti-vegetarianism by kinnell · · Score: 4, Funny
    hams are posted at shelters which are filling up with storm refugees

    That's all very well, but what about vegetarians? Are we going to just let them starve to death?

    --
    If I seem short sighted, it is because I stand on the shoulders of midgets
  5. These ppl do a nice job... by fox2mike · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even though we have had so many advances in technology over the years, its the good ole HAMs that come to our rescue during times of trouble or disaster. Even during the recent blackouts in NYC, they kept in touch & relayed messages back & forth. Often there's just one link who keeps the messages going up & down.

    Hats off to you people & thanks for the wonderful job you do!

    1. Re:These ppl do a nice job... by DF5JT · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Hats off to you people & thanks for the wonderful job you do!"

      Do it as long as you can, because the very existence of ham radio is endangered. Powerline communication uses the entire shortwave spectrum and is being hailed as the only way to ensure a nationwide coverage of internet access. The telco and energy industry pushes the issue with the FCC right now and as things stand, the entire shortwave spectrum will be completely useless for any wireless service, be it ham radio, shortwave broadcast or other emergency service that need the shortwave frequency range.

      Take a look at:

      http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/08/08/2/?n c= 1//

      Same, by the way, in Europe:

      http://europa.eu.int/information_society/topics/ te lecoms/regulatory/publiconsult/powerline_communica tions/text_en.htm

      It's been a nice hobby for me during the last 25 years, but as things stand it won't last another 25 years.

      You might want to inform your congressman about the issue and tell him that in a couple of years hams might be unwilling to provide emergency services when ham radio as a hobby has systematically been sacrificed for the industry's greed for a useless technology.

  6. PLEASE DON'T FOLLOW THE LINKS . . . by a_timid_mouse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... unless you really need to. The last thing the HAM radio folks in NC need is the slashdot effect.

    1. Re:PLEASE DON'T FOLLOW THE LINKS . . . by jafuser · · Score: 3, Funny

      While you make a good point, I wouldn't worry too much. I'd take a guess that they probably have a reliable backup plan for communications. =)

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  7. 14.325 Hurricane net by ch-chuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    get real time reports on condition in the affected area. Net control is actually in Austin TX.

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    try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
  8. Re:Who needs ham radio? by doppleganger871 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ha. Can you hear me now? Nope? HOw about now? NOpe... da-dit-da-da-etc... Yep, heard that.

  9. They'll also be standing by. . . by bplipschitz · · Score: 5, Informative

    around the rest of the country, to relay Health & Welfare traffic during the aftermath.

    Some other frequencies of interest:

    14.265 MHz [USB] Salvation Army SATERN net.
    7.232 MHz [LSB] Tarheel net [daytime]
    3.923 MHz [LSB] Tarheel net [after 7:30 pm]
    3.907 MHz [LSB] Coastal Carolina net.

    The nice thing about radio is, as long as you're only listening, it doesn't suffer from the ./ effect!

  10. radio braces! by happyfrogcow · · Score: 4, Funny
    Amateur Radio Braces for Hurricane Isabel


    When I was young I always wished my braces could play the radio. Now a stinkin hurricane gets radio braces. Feh!

    Atleast they're the amateur model..
  11. WiFi and Hurricanes by G4from128k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It will be interesting to see if any building-to-building WiFi links or other wireless networking tech can operate in a hurricane. I'd bet that high rain, very wet vegitation, and the odd flying bit of sheet metal will kill reception or reduce reliability. Also, external high gain antennas will be prone to wind-induced misaligment and damage.

    Isabel should be an interesting test of any mesh networks in the area -- assuming that they have independent power sources, of course.

    --
    Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
  12. Re:Who needs ham radio? by bplipschitz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    --
    We've got cellphones! Everyone knows how great cellphones work in an emergency. Viva la cellphone!

    Ham radio is antiquated. I can buy 2 FRS radios at Wal-Mart for 30 dollars and will be able to talk a whopping 1/2 mile.
    --

    And when Isabel destroys many of the cell towers, where will you be then? Unless you have a satphone your Aunt Tilly in Burbank won't know what's become of you. She could get a message relayed via ham radio, with a response to find out that you are ok, although maniacally clutching your cell phone.

    Also, FRS radios and Ham Radio are not the same thing, by a long shot.

  13. Re:Who needs ham radio? by pe1rxq · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cellphones relly on infrastructure....
    A shortwave radio can communicate with somebody litterally on the other side of the globe without any additional infrastructure.

    Jeroen

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    Secure messaging: http://quickmsg.vreeken.net/
  14. Re:storm + aerials by N2UX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most Hams ( myself included ) have probably already lowered their "monstrously huge" aerials and put up the 'emergency' antennae. My emergency kit consists of a handheld VHF radio, a backpack HF radio ( 20 watts, about the size 5 CD jewel cases stacked on top of each other ), a folded dipole antenna which is made of 300 ohm tv antenna cable, a 12 V gel cell, and a Solar Panel for recharging the gel cel when the sun does come out. It all fits in a small ruck sack and can be setup anywhere in minutes.

  15. Get into amateur radio yourself - here's how ... by wherley · · Score: 5, Informative

    First, here is some background info.

    Second, study up for the 35 question multiple choice exam using the Now You're Talking book.

    Third, take your test.

    Then get some gear - you'll be the one helping out in the next disaster in your area!

    K9JRW

  16. so hopefully we learned from the last blackout? by *weasel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and 50 million people won't be shafted again when Isabel knocks out power across the eastern seaboard, tripping power grids thousands of miles away?

    because i'm in detroit, and I don't exactly have the utmost faith that they've corrected the problem already. particularly since they haven't even identified it yet.

    at least i'm all stocked up again.
    unfortunately my generator hasn't arrived yet.

    --
    // "Can't clowns and pirates just -try- to get along?"
    1. Re:so hopefully we learned from the last blackout? by vhfer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most hams have radios both in the house and in the car, plus a selection of handhelds. Those that typically volunteer keep a bunch of batteries charged up for all their handhelds, maintain car chargers and alternate power sources, and etc. They are darn good and ready for this kind of thing, especially a hurricane they've seen coming for over a week.

  17. Look at the bands by The+Tyro · · Score: 4, Informative

    Depends on what kind of aerial you're talking about... if you mean 2meter, 440, etc, then yes... a tall tower (typically for a repeater, and that might not survive the hurricaine) facilitates communications, since these bands tend to be line-of-sight.

    However, if you read the article, you'll notice they are using the 80-meter band, which is NOT line-of-sight. Tall antennas are not as critical... you can rig up a dipole with some wire after the storm passes, and get passable reception.

    aerials, schmaerials... a true ham is a master at jury-rigging stuff, including antennas.

    --
    Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
  18. Never mind hams , what about CB? by Viol8 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone (apart from truckers naturally) use CB radio anymore? Is it ever used in these sorts of scenarios?

    1. Re:Never mind hams , what about CB? by vhfer · · Score: 3, Informative

      CB is limited by FCC regs to 4 watts (I think) whereas licensed hams are limited to 1500 watts. We have dozens of bands to choose from and are able to pick a band with local, regional, or national/worldwide characteristics that will work best for situation. Many Hams are volunteers and train for emergencies, allowing them to work right alongside FEMA, Red Cross, National Guard, local government and local emergency management. Hams are usually the first communications on the scene of an emergency and often the only reliable communications for the first half or more of any disaster. Hams repeatedly garner praise from served agencies after the emergency is passed. You don't typically hear similar things CB'ers. Nothing wrong with them. In fact, there's lot's of CB's that have gone the extra step and gotten a ham license, and some have become active volunteers. My $0.02

  19. Not to be unnecessarily duplicative, but by Spamalamadingdong · · Score: 4, Informative
    How likely is it that their monsterous huge aerials will survive the winds ?
    Doesn't matter to the V/UHF people very much, nor is it crippling to the HF operators. If the beam on the tower comes down, any decent piece of wire and an antenna tuner become a usable "long wire" antenna. Hams have "Field Day" every year where they go off in a field somewhere, operate from tents and trailers and see how many stations they can contact; this is practice for communications during emergencies.
  20. Why care about WiFi and Hurricanes by G4from128k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree that current casual applications of wireless networking mean that few will care about the reliability of these networks. Yet proponents of the technology would have us use wireless in more intensive and all-encompassing ways.

    Today, nobody really cares if the laptop in an empty and dark executive office becomes disconnected during a hurricane. Tomorrow, we may care a great deal if our phone/data networks or municipal services control systems are knocked offline because an underlying wireless network failed.

    Personally, I suspect that wireless is more robust than wireline because physical wires are so prone to flooding or downed trees. But I would like to see examples, like those provided by Isabel, on how these systems operate during and survive natural disasters.

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    Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
    1. Re:Why care about WiFi and Hurricanes by dougmc · · Score: 3, Informative
      Tomorrow, we may care a great deal if our phone/data networks or municipal services control systems are knocked offline because an underlying wireless network failed.
      Actually, I was going to continue along these lines, but got distracted and forgot to finish my post.

      People care if their cell phones work during a crisis *today*. This is nothing new, and it's not likely to stop being important tomorrow.

      We (as in the human race) have been using microwave links to transmit phone data for decades now. How they handle bad weather is very well known, and I'll bet a few minutes of google searching will find you lots of data on that.

      (From what I've found, the error rate goes up in very heavy rain, but the links continue to work. Of course, if the wind knocks the tower over, pulls the dish off or knocks out power, it's going to break.)

      WiFi does use microwaves to transmit it's data, but the name `WiFi' itself limits you to networks based on IEEE 802.11 specifications. If you're not using 802.11 specifications, it's not WiFi ... it's something else.

      Cell phone data is not routed over WiFi networks to any signifigant degree now, and this isn't likely to change in the future. Phone companies do use similar technologies, but they don't call it WiFi.

      And that's why what happens to WiFi during a storm isn't *that* important in the grand scheme of things.

  21. Re:Who needs ham radio? by Little+Brother · · Score: 3, Informative
    Hey, your information is a little bit antiquated. The novice license is no longer being issued making theTechnician the first license. (No morse code required to get this one!) If you learn morse code you can gain the code priveliges in HF that used to be in the Novice allocation. Then comes general which is the same as its ever been. Then Extra which has full priveliges allowed to any Ham. (The old Advanced liscense btw is also no longer being issued)

    As far as your main point goes, though, right on! It is even better made than before, as you don't need any code whatever to get started.

    73 de KG4WWN

    --

    Little Brother, watching the watchers

  22. Suspicious of those ham radio guys by British · · Score: 4, Funny

    You ever notice when disaster strikes(weather, blackouts, etc), those ham radio people are always there? Hmmm..

  23. Re:Get into amateur radio yourself - here's how .. by Rorschach1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    And don't let the test scare you off. Any self respecting geek ought to be able to learn the test material in a couple afternoons.

    I got my Novice license at about age 11. I'd stayed with Technician class for years, then they dropped the 20 wpm code requirement for Extra. It took me about 8 hours of studying to prepare for the test and I passed with a 96%.

    If you're reading slashdot, and you already use things like FRS radios, there's no excuse for not getting a license and earning the ability to use REAL equipment.

    Plus, you can run higher power 802.11b. =]

    N1VG

  24. Re:Get into amateur radio yourself - here's how .. by kc9biw · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is some quick general info I normally hand out.

    There are 4 current classes you could get. To get one, you need to one
    before it, ie if you want general, you need to have tech and tech + morse
    first.

    Technician
    Technician + Plus morse code
    General
    Extra

    The test is only $10 and lasts for 10 years. to renew, you just have
    to fill in some paper work and send it into the FCC.

    The test is 35 multiple choice questions.

    The Technician class Syllabus is here
    http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/tech-syllabus.ht ml

    To find a testing center in your area.
    http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/examsearch.phtm l

    Question pool for Technician class (I printed these out and read over them twice and was able to pass the test)

    http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/tech2003.txt
    http:/ /www.arrl.org/arrlvec/2003Technician_graphic s.pdf

    Online Practice test
    http://www.qrz.com/testing.html

  25. Re:Get into amateur radio yourself - here's how .. by Our+Man+In+Redmond · · Score: 3, Informative

    I would like to point out that getting the gear needn't be expensive. These people have handheld 2-meter sets that cost less than most gamer-grade video cards. My 2-meter handheld, a Yaesu VX-5R, retails for $250 and Yaesu often has it on sale for around $200. It puts out 5 watts (sufficient for all the local repeaters), will do 6 meters and 440 as well, has a wide-ranging receiver, and isn't all that much bigger or heavier than my cell phone.

    That will be sufficient for you to get into your local ARES net to prepare for emergencies in your area.

    --
    Someone you trust is one of us.
  26. Possible Flooding as result of Isabel by r3mdh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The last thing we need in Ohio is more rain (we're already over 9 inches above normal for the year), and Isabel threatens to add more precipitation to our area. Since we're so over saturated, nearly every time it rains, our areas go into automatic flood watch. As amateur radio operators, my wife and I provided communications for the American Red Cross for flood victims in the Stark County area in late July. Looks like we might be called to action again.

    73 de KC8WVJ (and KC8WVK - my wife)

  27. LOL I am a woman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    > Who said it was a woman?

    My BF and I actually met on Slashdot three years ago...we're engaged. I had a Slashdot account, but lost the password and the email address associated with the account was long gone...so I haven't bothered to re-register. I suppose I could provide you with some proof of my gender, but as they say on the Internet, those could be anyone's breasts :-)

  28. Re:No Porn On Amateur Radio != Geek Factor by W2IRT · · Score: 4, Funny
    Amateur radio will never be big with Slashdot readers. Why? No porn!

    Depends on your definition of pr0n I suppose. If you mean nekkid wimmin, well, yeah. If you mean images so vile that they go against the morals of a decent and civil society, then Pictures from the Dayton hamfest surely qualify.

    Think 22,000 sweaty, smelly, unbathed, short, fat, old, bald white guys.

    On second though, Don't.

    Still one of my guilty pleasures even though it's become a real dive in the past 10 years or so.

    --
    Cheers, Peter, W2IRT
  29. Re:Get into amateur radio yourself - here's how .. by bplipschitz · · Score: 3, Funny

    My girlfriend and 11 year old daughter passed their novice/tech tests without effort.

    Ewww. . .

    Soooo. . . .you're telling us that you live in Arkansas?