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Total Information Awareness, For One

Jason writes "This guy has created his own TIA program for his electronic transactions around DC. He writes, 'Conceptually, I decided to create a personal TIA program to track my own electronic movements... and to document every single electronically-recorded transaction I've made.' A small vignette into what could be done with your electronic droppings."

197 comments

  1. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    He even included his online porn purchases!

  2. Very Un-Wow by surfinbox · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Disappointing for ./, this isn't news or interesting.

    1. Re:Very Un-Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      [click here for jpeg | click here for png ]

      Did you notice this? I'm pretty sure /. posted this cuz the author added a png version of his image, so we /.ers who hate patents can enjoy the open source png format ;)

    2. Re:Very Un-Wow by dAzED1 · · Score: 1

      yeah, but despite how many stories I exclude from my line-up in my preferences, I'm still flooded with "spam." Occassionally there is an actual, worth-while, story - just like occassionally I get an actual, worth-while email (well...often, but I'm saying by way of comparison to the spam emails).
      This is very un-tech, un-impressive. This has little to do with the TIA push. This isn't a "TIA for one," this is a "goofy map of someone who doesn't get around much." What's the picture supposed to prove/demonstrate?

    3. Re:Very Un-Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is very disappointing is that there are people who don't find this interesting. Being nonchalent wont help you when men in jackboots are shining torches in your face at 4am. What you gonna say then? "cool, whatever"?

    4. Re:Very Un-Wow by Temporal · · Score: 1

      As opposed to the... uh... open source jpeg format?

  3. Spy on yourself... by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 1

    as they spy on you.

    Wasn't it: " We'll spy on *them* as they spy on us"?

    1. Re:Spy on yourself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kryten: I just can't do it, not when there's someone else there. What's a suitable human analogy? It -- it's like trying to urinate in a public lavatory when you're standing next to a man two foot taller than you. It's just not possible!

      - Red Dwarf

  4. TIA? by g0at · · Score: 0

    Thanks in advance.

    1. Re:TIA? by Dreadlord · · Score: 1

      In August of 2002, the first reports began to trickle out describing a new Department of Defense program known as Total Information Awareness, operated by President Reagan's former Deputy National Security Adviser, John M. Poindexter.

      RTFA :P

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      The IT section color scheme sucks.
    2. Re:TIA? by jonfelder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      RTFT

      As in...read the f*cking title...

    3. Re:TIA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not dreadlord, you're dreadful...

    4. Re:TIA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol ...

      Whats up with you other cranky kids today? At least he said something that made me laugh after reading that lame article.

    5. Re:TIA? by g0at · · Score: 1

      You and Dreadlord just don't get the goddamn joke, do you.

      (Yes, I read the article... and I know what it stands for... and I realise that posting this lame reply to my own lame joke is lame... but it's a boring Sunday afternoon)

      -b

  5. doesn't seem all that TIA... by rumpledstiltskin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    looks like he just took quicken or MS money or some equivalent application and added addresses and posted the locations on a map. This doesn't seem to be nearly the scope of ashcroft's wet dream come true (TIA).

    1. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by guardian-ct · · Score: 5, Informative

      Click on the "Click for PNG link".
      Then click on some of the icons on his map. It's more involved than you think. Scanned receipts from that location, including what was purchased, and how much he paid for it. It's not just a map, and it certainly wasn't generated by Quicken or MS Money, unless those two programs have gotten significantly more powerful than I thought.

    2. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by jea6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not really because he also saved his receipts and scanned those in. So it was slightly more work. It's also interesting to try this on yourself, not from a GIS perspective but to try and account for where you spend money or how often.

      I tried to manage my money by tracking where I spent money and over the course of a month I'd racked up around 50 different vendors. After six months (had I kept it up) I could probably go to the Brickskeller (like this guy did) and open a corporate account with a 10% discount based on volume.

      It may not be TIA but it was more work than your passing glance gathered.

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      sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
    3. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think you missed the point. OF COURSE, big government would be able to create more detailed maps and logs of our activities. The question is: would you want them to be able to do even the little he showed us? Take that map and add a few thousand more data points, add in the locations and times of all your cellular phone calls and see just how private you feel. And further suppose that some spook analyst (or government supercomputer) somewhere takes a personal interest in you (for whatever reason) and requests that a GPS device be attached to your car. Now that map shows everywhere you went, and with all the financial data they'll pretty much know what you did. I dunno ... that map looks kinda scary to me.

      Makes me wonder when the Feds will mandate GPS tracking devices be installed on all cars. Needn't even be a remotely-addressable real-time device either. Just a simple, cheap receiver with enough memory to log the last couple of weeks of your travels. A cop, agent, whatever just walks up to your car with a hand-held reader and downloads the data.

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      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    4. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by NiteTrip · · Score: 0, Troll

      I don't see the problem here for law abiding citizens. I have nothing to hide. I follow the law. It would protect me in the long run if ever I did get accused of something I didn't do. It would all be in the log. I don't know why everyone is so scared to have the government know what we are doing. You think they care if you are having an affair on your wife? Or if you buy porno magazines at the corner store? No they do care if you are going to (excuse the overused cliche) crash planes into buildings, abduct 7 year old little boys to rape and kill them. If this is what you are planning then you have no rights.

    5. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ahem.

      It would protect me in the long run if ever I did get accused of something I didn't do.

      Throw the teddy bear away and WAKE UP. The Law is only as good as those that enforce it. It's time you woke up to the fact that those in charge of that important function may no longer be our friends. And you obviously haven't the slightest idea what it means to be merely accused of a serious crime. Being so accused is, in itself, a punitive activity nowadays. Your life will never be the same, even if you are ultimately vindicated. I have enough attorneys in my family to have some understanding of what it is like to be run through the Justice system. You don't want that to happen to you or anyone you care about. Invasive, error-prone systems like TIA may, or may not, serve their stated function of deterring terrorism. What they will do is increase the number of individuals who, through no fault of their own, are put through the wringer.

      I have nothing to hide. I follow the law.

      So do I. That's my choice. And I expect to be left alone, without experiencing any undue scrutiny or privacy violations, until I do perform some illegal activity. I see no reason to allow the government to presume that I (and you, or you) might someday exhibit criminal behavior and to justify monitoring our daily activities because of that presumption, and to further log that activity until they decide it is no longer useful. Do not make the mistake (as so many before us have) of assuming that the government has no interest in you. If they didn't have that interest, they wouldn't want TIA.

      Look at history. Every time a government has told its citizens, "Yes, we are assuming excessive powers that we cannot reasonably justify but, hey, don't worry ... if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" bad things happened. It all hinges on who decides what is worth hiding. That is, in fact, the very time to start worrying.

      Now, I don't want to sound like some bleeding-heart liberal and I'm hardly defending terrorists, kidnappers or child molesters but the truth is that, in the United States, those people do have Constutionally-guaranteed rights. And why is that? Because it was always considered better to let a guilty man go free than to imprison an innocent one. And America is one of the few nations, to this very day, the still believes in this principle. At least, I hope we still do.

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      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    6. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by C10H14N2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh I SEE... spends a lot of time hanging around Dupont Circle and Kalorama, frequents decidedly pedestrian restaurants, frequents 17th St, buys mango smoothies at Whole Foods, eats tofu bought in Chinatown, hangs out on in artsy-edgy 14th street clubs and coffeehouses... prefers mexican food and salsa dancing. Rounds tipped bills to the penny. Most importantly, never, EVER, for any reason, leaves Northwest.

      Houston, we have a profile.

    7. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Most importantly, never, EVER, for any reason, leaves Northwest

      Sounds like a plan. If you don't like it, walk 10 blocks east and about 5 blocks south. See how you like that part of town.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    8. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by mpthompson · · Score: 1

      Now, I don't want to sound like some bleeding-heart liberal and I'm hardly defending terrorists, kidnappers or child molesters but the truth is that, in the United States, those people do have Constutionally-guaranteed rights.

      I don't think you have to be a bleeding heart liberal to advocate constraints on government power. Even a rational conservative like myself can understand the danger and folly in unbridled government monitoring of law abiding citizens.

      And America is one of the few nations, to this very day, the still believes in this principle. At least, I hope we still do.

      We still do. We just don't know it yet.

    9. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      Because it was always considered better to let a guilty man go free than to imprison an innocent one. And America is one of the few nations, to this very day, the still believes in this principle. At least, I hope we still do.

      From my wife's account of the murder jury she was on, no. The concept of reasonable doubt was not even brought up by the defense attorney.

    10. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Probably a change of lawyer (or venue) would have been in order. What was the verdict in that case?

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      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    11. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by radishfarmer · · Score: 1

      I really sympathize ScrewMaster, but with unknown (but over a thousand) people being detained without charge, representation, or hope of trial, plus more people in prison than any other country in the world, I think you are going to have to face facts.

      The US has conveniently forgotten what is stood for, and people like you are going to need to work very hard to remind it.

      Good luck.

    12. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

      Yay, Eddie's Lexan and Kevlar Diner has the best midnight cheesesteak.

    13. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I really sympathize ScrewMaster, but with unknown (but over a thousand) people being detained without charge, representation, or hope of trial, plus more people in prison than any other country in the world, I think you are going to have to face facts.

      That is true. The world is a dangerous place: it always has been and that hasn't changed. But, if I'm am going lose civil rights that have stood for more than two hundred years and the balance of my personal privacy, I want to know that they are going in a good cause. In other words, I need to know that the results of that loss (in terms of substantially increased personal safety from acts of terrorism) are worth the increased risk of illegitimate government intervention in my affairs. If the only reason that we must suffer these indignities is to satisfy the power lust of our elected leaders and their appointed officials, then we have gained nothing and lost much. I'm not sure who I should fear more: an Osama Bin Laden who would be perfectly happy just blowing me into small gobbets of flesh to assure a place in his Heaven, or a government which would happily throw me into a locked room and then throw away the key because I might disagree with it. You may think "that couldn't happen here" and you're right ... it probably can't right now. But the present situation is what is meant by "slippery slope".

      The US has conveniently forgotten what is stood for, and people like you are going to need to work very hard to remind it.

      Can't argue with you there. Though perhaps I would say is that it is some of our leaders who have forgotten what they stand for. Few Americans seem comfortable with the idea of giving what is effectively a life sentence without parole to someone only accused of a crime, or perhaps not even that much. That is not Justice, not as we have come to know it. Sure, I want those among that 1000+ who are guilty of these heinous crimes to suffer the pangs of Hellfire for all eternity. However, simply locking suspects away on a permanent basis with no judicial oversight (essentially making them political prisoners no matter what they've actually done, or what the government says about them) just goes completely against the grain. I mean ... political prisoners? This is the United States of America, not Communist Russia or some two-bit South American dictatorship. We should know better.

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      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    14. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      you do realise that it is possible to end up in death row for being around the wrong block as a homeless person?
      (because of being accused of a murder and they 'knew' that you were 'near the area', with this yhey could extend that to everyone who was 'officially' around the block)

      it would be very easy to solve most of unsolved crimes with a system like this, that would get the POSSIBLE subjects, and then you could pick the MOST LIKELY of them to have committed it(by race, habits, education, money in the bank). then it would be a simple matter of asking them to come around for a questioning, including handing them a pre-written confession and asking them to sign it(or we will be here as long as it takes for you to sign it, for a drug addict few hours can be enough that he/she confesses to _anything_, or doesn't even read the paper). so you would end up with most crimes solved, but the error margin could be huge and that is a bad thing in a world where there are people who think they never make mistakes and "know people".

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      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
    15. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by instarx · · Score: 1

      But there is much more...

      Doesn't have a girlfriend and not married - those restaurant bills are for one person.
      Bought Domestic Honey. (because it was only $18 I assume this is real bee-honey and not a replacement for missing girlfriend ).
      Does not cook much - those shopping items were not ingredients to cook with.
      Has Central American contacts or is planning a trip to the area (bought a map, central American foods). Probably Mexico rather than Carribean given the fajitas, black beans and rice components of his groceries rather than island foods).

      The information that can be gleaned and inferred from these few receipts is scarey. Just wait until W and his minions get their hands on everything through TIA - Orwellian in spades.

    16. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by blibbleblobble · · Score: 1

      "And further suppose that some spook analyst (or government supercomputer) somewhere takes a personal interest in you (for whatever reason) and requests that a GPS device be attached to your car."

      Got a mobile telephone?

      Ever wonder how the network knows where to send the signal when you get a call?

      You're already carrying a GPS tracker equivalent.

    17. Re:doesn't seem all that TIA... by pmz · · Score: 1

      I have nothing to hide.

      Yeah, right. Society is much less forgiving than you would like to imagine.

      Social conflicts arise everywhere and will never fit your idealistic and naive "nothing to hide" attitude. There is a good reason why some stores use unlabelled brown bags. There is a good reason why some companies put unassuming names on their credit card transactions. There is a good reason why hotel movie pay-per-view systems don't list the titles on the bill.

      None of these things are illegal and most of them are not immoral, but, by chance, if a cop or public official somewhere has access to your data and abides by his "mission" to defend the world from the devil, he can make your life very difficult. Or, worse, a jury, like other posters have mentioned, need only *think* you were the criminial, which can be strongly supported by an electronic paper trail. You just might end up in prison for life!

      Data, especially in the context of religion or political bias, is very very dangerous. Another likely scenario: I bet you will wait in gleeful anticipation as those politically-motivated policies start rolling out of govermnet based on data mining the TIA database! It'll be worse than trying to micromanage the world via income taxes. Every four years our nation will get jerked even harder into different directions until it collapses under a quadrillion tons of bureaucratic legacy. This is perhaps the most destructive and tangible aspect of TIA to come.

  6. This guy seems pretty paranoid. by Staos · · Score: 0

    Just like those people afraid of John ashcroft.

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    In Soviet russia, only old Koreans profit from pictures of Natalie Portman stored on Beowulf Clusters.
    1. Re:This guy seems pretty paranoid. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uh ... and you're not? It is NOT paranoia when they actually are out to get you, you know.

      Besides, I thought it was interesting to see a concrete example of what everyone (paranoids as well as normal sheep) has been worrying about. It's one thing when cops, spooks and other investigators have to spend time and effort to research what their victims, I mean, subjects are doing. It's quite another when detailed historical information about every person in the U.S. can be pulled up on a graphics monitor on an instant's notice, with no more effort than a couple of mouse clicks. No, I don't like that at all ... no significant barriers to misuse.

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      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    2. Re:This guy seems pretty paranoid. by Staos · · Score: 0

      It's a joke. Laugh.

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      In Soviet russia, only old Koreans profit from pictures of Natalie Portman stored on Beowulf Clusters.
    3. Re:This guy seems pretty paranoid. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha.

      Okay, I feel much better now.

      --
      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  7. WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    You seem to be suggesting that perhaps it is wrong for the US Government to operate a repressive and opressive system like the TIA. Well, you are entitled to your opinion. After all this is America. At the same time, this is America, so your implication is treasonous. Please remain seated until federal agents have come to a complete stop and John Ashcroft has arrived at your domicile.

    1. Re:WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a clever and original post. No way have I seen this one before. You must be congratulated on your clever whit.

    2. Re:WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING?? by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Please remain seated until federal agents have come to a complete stop and John Ashcroft has arrived at your domicile.

      I can't help but be reminded of the MIT bit about how Santa Clause and his reindeer would be blasted into flaming hypersonic chunks if they actually tried to visit every house.

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      For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  8. Welcome to the Global Village by heironymouscoward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where everyone knows all your secrets...

    When personal data is confidential, only governments and big business will have access to it. When personal data is public, even corrupt officials will be forced to behave.

    The genie is out of the bottle, and it seems that only laws to mandate total and full access to all data by anyone who wants it will protect us from those who would seek to use such power against us.

    Yes, I know it'd be a nightmare if anyone could monitor my phone records, but the nightmare could become quite fun if it went both ways.

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    Ceci n'est pas une signature
    1. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by AmigaAvenger · · Score: 3, Insightful
      When personal data is public, even corrupt officials will be forced to behave.



      Interesting assumption, but wrong... You assumed the corrupt officials will 1) allow their own CORRECT information to be made public, as opposed to cleaning it up first, and 2) that the public information released on you is actually true, and not replaced with previously mentioned corrupt official's info...

    2. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by heironymouscoward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      All data is suspect, but data that is kept secret is most suspect.

      By mandating total transparency of data, the community can actually act to verify and "clean" it. Think of reputation management systems. Think of journalists: professional reputation managers, to some extent.

      It would change the world we live in, but the only alternative I see is more of what we have today, namely data as a weapon of oppression and exploitation for those with sufficient money and power.

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      Ceci n'est pas une signature
    3. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 1

      Also, he is assuming that the corrupt officials care if they are caught.

      In the US at the moment, it is still a scandal, but becoming less of one. Buying your way free of justice is possible, in most cases. When 'scandal' becomes norm, and buying free of justice is accepted routine, then it does not matter if corrupt official is publicly known. They'll just be corrupt in public.

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      'Sensible' is a curse word.
    4. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by utexaspunk · · Score: 1

      he also makes the assumption that the public will have equal ability to parse that information. even if everything were made public, only the government and some large corporations would have the computing power and programs to cull some of the really useful information.

    5. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Psst -- the word data is plural of data. So:

      All data are suspect, but data that are kept secret are most suspect.

    6. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by elmegil · · Score: 1
      By mandating total transparency of data, the community can actually act to verify and "clean" it.

      Just like we can "clean" our credit records of errors, right? In case you missed it, that statement is dripping with sarcasm. If you've ever tried to fix your credit history you know it's damn near impossible.

      --
      7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
    7. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by Kehl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To start, I would like to give the author credit presenting his case (notably the .png images)

      However I cannot really grasp the concept of what he is trying to get across. I could draw a map of all the digital (non cash tranactions) I have made in the past week, or I am likely to make next week.

      If this is a paranoia issue then why use digital money transfers / store cards? OK the ATM/POS transefers will still be logged (cash withdrawls) and so will the video evidence that you used them.

      However add to the map all of the other tracking points you may have triggered .....

      Digital Transactions - As allready mentioned
      Road Traffic Cameras - These monitor road tax offences as well as driving offences
      Security Cameras
      Internet Habbits
      EMail Content
      Mobile Phone's Triangulated Geograpic Location (I can pinpoint this to approx 1 square mile using cell ID's)

      Then you will have an even larger picture of your daily routine;

      Ok so UK Resident #5637463 (Me)

      Passes 4 road traffic cameras on route to work.
      Works 8:30 -> 16:30 weekdays (Location found easily by a call to the UK's tax offices)
      Buys lunch at the same garage each working day, if not on site
      Drinks to much - (too many credit card transactions to "Rugby Road Wine Store") =)
      etc etc etc .....

      The amount of number crunching needed to integrate these systems together would be astronomical even for a small island like the UK (unsure of the current population).

      However if I was a Wanted - Criminal / Pedophile etc #45358
      I WOULD BE WORRIED as the police do have access and the power to track rouge individuals - making the Earth a "safer" place to live.

      My point's .....

      Fellons should be tracked and taken to justice.

      Innocent people should have nothing to fear and should be content with the measures that there Government / President has taken to ensure there safety and well being.

    8. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by Orne · · Score: 1

      Back when I was in junior high school, I ran across this book of short science fiction stories...

      One of them was about a pair of scientists who was researching time to invent a chronoscope -- the device would look backwards in time and space. One of them had a noble dream, to look back in time to study the ancient greeks and egyptians, so that mankind could learn our lost histories. The second scientist had a child who died in a fire, and he only wanted to look back 15 years, to see him alive again.

      They are contacted by the Catholic Church, and asked to cease their research, because they were afraid that they would look back in time and see who Jesus really was, and if he really wasn't what was recorded as gospel. The government wants a piece of the action too, because the device is the ultimate spying device. Why look dozens of years ago, when you look 1 second ago and reveal the plans of every enemy nation.

      At the very end of the story, they suceed, and the invention shows them the past, that the government is planning to seize their research. The first scientist realizes that no one nation could be trusted with the ultimate spying device, so he releases the schematics to dozens of media outlets. The second scientist looks back and realizes that it was his cigarette that caused the fire that kills his child, and is wracked with guilt, and knows his wife will soon see the same. Only now do they both realize the error in knowing the absolute truth of the past, but it is too late to recall the plans, and they have spawned a new world without privacy...

    9. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exporting cryptographic software can be a felony. Not giving your encryption keys to the government in the UK (even if you've honestly lost them) is a crime. Having cocaine planted in your car is a felony. The list goes on and on.

      Our job is to protect our guarantees to rights. Government's job is to enforce those guarantees. Anything else winds up devolving into messy quasi-totalitarian states. If you don't believe me, look at how the US treats drug offenders or political criminals. Government is a tiger we have to keep on our side through the use of a leash and a muzzle. The second you lose control of it, it may very well turn on you.

    10. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      If you've ever tried to fix your credit history you know it's damn near impossible.

      Send a demand letter to the reporting service demanding that they remove the offending item. They now have 30 days to respond and either justify it or remove it. Send one demand letter for all of the disputed items, and send it every 30 days until they miss a deadline or remove the item.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    11. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by APDent · · Score: 2, Informative

      The story you're referring to is Isaac Asimov's "The Dead Past". Google keywords asimov "dead past" [including quotation marks] for pointers and reviews. Add keyword cigarette for DMCA-violation.

    12. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      I don't know if you've read it, but you're basically just repeating the basic idea of David Brin's The Transparent Society: Will Technology Force Us to Choose Between Privacy and Freedom?

    13. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds like 'Transparent Society' by David Brin.

    14. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by marko123 · · Score: 1

      Psst -- the word data is plural of datum

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      http://pcblues.com - Digits and Wood
    15. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's the theory, and if you've ever tried it you know that in practice it's damn near impossible.

    16. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When personal data is public, even corrupt officials will be forced to behave.

      And if they don't give a shit what the public thinks, what then?

      Voyeur cop won't be disciplined

    17. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by Epistax · · Score: 1

      Where everyone knows all your secrets...

      So by your own words, you then know everyone elses secrets. Everyone knows everything about everyone. Well there goes crime-- that's certainly a secret even before you do it. Sorry were you trying to scare me or make a Utopia?

    18. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by elmegil · · Score: 1

      Right. And then later they import the same bad data from another reporting service that you managed to miss last time. I don't think I have enough time in my life to work for a living, have a family and a house AND chase down every possible avenue of bad information into the credit system and correct them all simultaneously so they don't pollute each other.

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      7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
    19. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by pmz · · Score: 1

      When personal data is public, even corrupt officials will be forced to behave.

      But the data isn't public. In fact it is classified. What's to stop those corrupt officials from changing your data? Remember, it's a national database...it need only happen once.

      Another interesting conflict: how many Slashdotters support both the WWW and TIA? How can you cope with yourselves?!? (hint: the "soul" of the WWW is its highly distributed architecture, where no one organization can control the flow of data--it's a haven for free speech and corroboration of facts; the "soul" of TIA is centralization and absolute control, where flaws can become reality)

    20. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by pmz · · Score: 1

      Think of reputation management systems. Think of journalists: professional reputation managers, to some extent.

      Professionalism places different requirements on us regarding privacy, and most people are able to distinguish their private life from their public life.

      ...data as a weapon of oppression and exploitation for those with sufficient money and power.

      Add that the data is for those who have the power to make things illegal to suppress people with political differences of opinion.

    21. Re:Welcome to the Global Village by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 1
      And also, "The Light of Other Days" by Arthur Clarke and Stephen Baxter. Not quite the same plot, but basically the same chronoscope. The difference is that while Asimov's short story ended implying that the impending 'opening of the past' would end civilization, TLoOD went on to see what a world utterly without privacy or secrets kept outside one's own head would be like.

      Consider: a 99.999% success rate in investigating any crime. This is good when you consider just how many go unsolved and what an incentive this is to wannabe criminals. It is, however, bad when you consider how many things everyone does every day that are felonies. But it is good again when you realize that during your trial, any interested party would be able to show that the Judge, DA, or jury members are guilty of the same 'crime'. How long would the War on Drugs last if everyone could see exactly how it started? See for their own eyes the kind of people who are prolonging the wasteful fight? Governmental, religious, and corporate injustices would be visible to anyone who wanted to look. And for once, the lack of privacy applies to the rich and powerful even more than to the great unwashed. Is the ability to hold every single last person accountable for their actions worth giving up every secret you might have?

      --
      Dyolf Knip
  9. Electronic movements by mst76 · · Score: 4, Funny

    > a personal TIA program to track my own electronic movements

    So is he an Autobot or a Decepticon?

  10. no surprises by mOoZik · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why does this surprise him? It need not take that much work to figure out that writing checks or using the "card" can get you mapped out, especially if the govt. has the warrant to track you (and with the patriot act, it shouldn't be too hard). Redundant to say the least.

  11. true geek? by gee308 · · Score: 0, Funny

    From the looks of his "trail", it doesn't look like he goes out too often

  12. Having reviewed your activities..... by FreeLinux · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't help but come to the conclusion that; You don't get out much, do you?

    1. Re:Having reviewed your activities..... by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 1

      furthermore, using my advanced pattern algorithm analysis programs, I have concluded that he is also a terrorist.

      --
      Quid festinatio swallonis est aetherfuga inonusti?
      Africus aut Europaeus?
  13. sounds a lot like LifeLog by noahmax · · Score: 5, Informative
    This "personal TIA" sounds a whole lot like LifeLog, the DARPA uber-diary program to catalog every aspect of a person's life.

    There's more info on LifeLog here and here.

    nms

    1. Re:sounds a lot like LifeLog by ron_ivi · · Score: 1

      Also looks like a useful feature for criminology software used by smaller law enforcement agencies.

    2. Re:sounds a lot like LifeLog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The "geonet with autotheft connect" feature is interesting


      Looks like if you live near where a car gets stolen, and you have friends near where a car gets recovered, you might be a suspect.

  14. So fucking what? by rkz · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Secrets are overated, it is better having everything out in the open.

    Only fuckers with anything to hide are terrorits and SCO.

  15. Now... by mgcsinc · · Score: 1

    Now, what was that late-night dining escapade into south-east for?

    1. Re:Now... by mwtown · · Score: 1

      Probably not much, since he also bought groceries.

      That lone ATM transaction way up north though...

    2. Re:Now... by layingMantis · · Score: 1

      *never* use your atm card in the red-light district.

  16. So, from that information ... by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Funny
    document every single electronically-recorded transaction I've made

    ... have you manage to determine whether or not you're an Al Qaida money launderer yet?

    If I were you, I'd watch myself real close, in case I turned out to be a real terrorist.

    --
    "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
    1. Re:So, from that information ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you think he can sue himself for invading his own privacy?

    2. Re:So, from that information ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but then, the lawyers will be the only people who truly win.

  17. Interesting experiment but... by BWJones · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, while this is interesting, from an illustrative standpoint (how much info can be retrieved from receipts and such), the site seems superficial and a little voyeuristic. I was hoping for some insight into the problem such as how to fight TIA, or from a CS perspective, even how to deal with disparate data from medical records to dinner transactions.

    However, this site should illustrate to us that one should realize that because of TIA, once these databases are created, they never really go away. They will be mined eventually by corporations looking to expand market share by tracking individuals shopping or lifestyle decisions. In fact, there is already precedence for this in recent history. And they will be used for alternative governmental purposes other than that originally intended. There is again precedence for this as well already.

    Finally, perhaps its the medical training but every time I see TIA, I think of transient ischemic attack which conceptually I suppose, total information awareness could induce in some folks. :-)

    --
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    1. Re:Interesting experiment but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People have been asking to snoop into your lives for a while now. Have you ever heard of own of those nifty rewards cards? Isn't it interesting that they ask for it almost everytime? It seams to me that thye asked you permision to give you a card they could track; and you signed at the dotted line.

      be careful what you sign. . .

  18. My better TIA for one.. by legoburner · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I too have been working on this sort of thing out of interest, but to a much larger degree. Since all my emails, chat logs, financial transactions, contact details, photos, etc. are digital and I have a record of them, I am able to place keys between them and come up with all sorts of useless info (which I will not share :P). Such things as:
    Can look at a photo, then see how much money I spent on that date, where I spent it and what I said about it to my friends online using regexps.
    Can map out (like this article) my location at any one time, with photos if it was since July 2003 (when I got my digital camera)
    Can at-a-glance see all communication with any one person, and who that person knows through CC'd emails, group chats, etc.
    Can get a calendar style day by day breakdown of time spent online, amount spent and where, amount I spoke to people online that day, etc.
    The system is pretty cool but needs a bit more work before I am happy with it, and it is probably going to be just for me since it is a mess of SQL, shell scripts, perl and java.

    Needless to say, the amount of data and stuff I can do with it is very scary. I cannot factor in recorded phone calls, precise supermarket purchases, etc. TIA and it's inevitable bigger brother (think patriot act then patriot act2) could store a lot more of my life than I would ever want to give out.

  19. Solution to TIA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't think I've seen this mentioned before so here goes...
    As an act of civil disobedience, as a group flood TIA, Carnivore, etc with false information. Start referring to your online contacts as "terrorists", make references to "picking up the fertilizer and diesel", instant message each other with false meeting points you never actually go to, and generally throw a wrench into the cogs of the machine by making the signal-to-noise ratio more noise than signal.
    Some may call this unpatriotic, others may see it as patriotic, it's a personal judgement call as I see it.

    1. Re:Solution to TIA. by c4ffeine · · Score: 1

      Testing idea: Hello, fellow terrorists. Pick up the extra-large pretzels so we can kill the Great Satan Bush. Praise be to Allah, Sadaam Hussein, and Osama bin Laden.

      --
      "73% of quotes on the Internet are made up" -Ben Franklin
    2. Re:Solution to TIA. by Cat9117600 · · Score: 1

      That would be both patriotic and unpatriotic, because there's two ways it works. It'd be unpatriotic if you remember that John Ashcroft does not actually intend (I HOPE!!) on persecuting innocent Americans, and will not (I HOPE!!) use TIA to do so. In that case, you're hampering his efforts to track down terrorists. On the other hand, he's making it very easy for corrupt politicians and/or law enforcement agencies to use that data to unnecesarily interfere with the lives of everyday Americans, and taking away their privacy. In that respect, messing with the info is patriotic, because it preserves the privacy of Americans.

    3. Re:Solution to TIA. by Sphere1952 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know some people put long lists of "hot words" into their .sigs. I think one of them is the guy who runs cryptome.

      --
      Big Brother Bush is doubleplus ungood.
    4. Re:Solution to TIA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure the fact that none of your contacts live in the middle east won't provide any clues. Content isn't everything.

    5. Re:Solution to TIA. by Nucleon500 · · Score: 1

      IIRC, Emacs's mail client has an {{fuck}} option to insert and remove impolite {{shit}} words just to annoy sysadmins who filtered email based on that.

    6. Re:Solution to TIA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that none of your contacts live in the middle east won't provide any clues

      Well, we'll just set our addresses in our ICQ profiles to:

      Cave 12279, Tunnel B
      Mountains of Afghanistan, 90210

  20. Here's a freaking news flash for you on TIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I was hoping for some insight into the problem such as how to fight TIA

    Umm... just a shot in the dark here - but how about not electing governments interested in implementing a defacto police state and pursuing imperialistic foreign policies to prop up an obsolete oil-based economy?

    But, hey, what do I know. No pity for you. My government tried this shit and enough people cared to stop it.

    Or.. perhaps you welcome your new overlords.

    1. Re:Here's a freaking news flash for you on TIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which government?

    2. Re:Here's a freaking news flash for you on TIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah.. Seriously, which government? We want to know so that we can move there.

  21. And now everyone on /. knows where he's been. by Jin+Wicked · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't really think he needs a computer program to do this. Judging from some of my male coworkers, this sort of thing has been going on for years. If anyone wants to know exactly where he is at any given point in time, he should just get married... and then they can call his wife. ;)

    --
    My Webcomic: Asylum on 5th Street
  22. What are the POS localtions on the map ? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    is that where he took a dump ?

    --
    "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
    1. Re:What are the POS localtions on the map ? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Point Of Sale.

      --
      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    2. Re:What are the POS localtions on the map ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee I don't know, how about you tell us what a localtion is first?

  23. Looks like a suspected terrorist by guardian-ct · · Score: 1

    And he isn't even wearing a button.

  24. meh by c4ffeine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I pay cash for pretty much everything now, but that's just because I don;t have a credit card yet (i'm too lazy). I'm wondering exactly what else the Total Information Awareness thing will be collecting; if I take out a big chunk of money from a ATM every week (like I do now) and pay in cash for everything that week, how much can they learn? i'm afraid of being a suspected terrorist now; I "hide my tracks" from the government, read slashdot, and am learning chemistry "to make bombs". That, and I've started encrypting some stuff I send

    --
    "73% of quotes on the Internet are made up" -Ben Franklin
    1. Re:meh by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On the other hand, by simply paying for everything with cash and using your ATM that way you are probably just fitting yourself into some profile. Hard to say what that would be, though. It might simply be "anti-government whacko" (harmless) or "drug dealer" (call Bob at the DEA) or "terrorist" (throw him into a locked room and throw away the room.) In some respects you're probably better off just trying to fit in with the rest of us and hope that the Justice lightning doesn't strike too close to home. At one time it was sensible to try and hide stuff from the government because there were things like "Rules of Evidence" and "Attorney Client Privilege" and whatnot, but since they don't seem to have to prove actual wrongdoing anymore I'm not sure its such a good idea.

      --
      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    2. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there's a lot of people in america who are broke and/or have bad credit, so it's not like paying cash is a sign about anything interesting

    3. Re:meh by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Depends. All I'm saying is that if your spending habits don't fit the patterns they expect from someone of your race/socioeconomicstatus/religion/location or whatever, expect them to take a closer look at you. Maybe. And yes, paying cash can very well be a sign about a number of interesting things, particularly if you spend significant amounts of it. That's why paying cash is so often used in various profiling techniques used by law enforcement. Doesn't mean that it's always a sign of criminal activity, but they do consider it.

      --
      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    4. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Well what exactly can't be paid for in cash? About the only things I can think of are a house and new car (but old cars bought directly from their owner can be paid in cash, in fact many of them like it that way...)
      I can't really think of anything else essential to life that can't be paid by cash or by money order (which is effectively cash). Back when I lived in apartments, the landlords didn't take checks, but money orders were ok. For my car insurrance, money order was ok too. Ditto for utility bills.
      Now I'm not a big spender, and don't tend to buy luxury items. My computer systems are generally older models that I build myself from salvaged second-hand parts and they run plenty fast enough for my purposes. Ditto for other consumer appliances. Most of the other stuff I own is not really worth anything at all.
      So how exactly does big brother manage to reconcile this information and fit me into a profile, considering that he has very little to go by? From my perspective, it would appear to them that I'm poor and jobless and live on the streets and/or with friends/relatives (simply put: my purchases are close to non-existent, and I haven't filed taxes in several years, and all my mail goes to either a PO box or a relative's house). The truth however is a very different story, but it won't be recorded into this database of theirs.

    5. Re:meh by Nucleon500 · · Score: 1
      In some respects you're probably better off just trying to fit in with the rest of us and hope that the Justice lightning doesn't strike too close to home.

      She spent an astonishing amount of time in attending lectures and demonstrations, distributing literature for the junior Anti-Sex League, preparing banners for Hate Week, making collections for the savings campaign, and such-like activities. It paid, she said, it was camouflage. If you kept the small rules, you could break the big ones.

  25. Slashdot by Pflipp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'm often wondering just how much of a profile people can make from me just by googling up my comments on Slashdot and linking them with my real name.

    And no, this is not an invitation...

    --
    "We can confirm that Debian does *not* ship the version with the trojan horse. Our version predates it." [CA-2002-28]
    1. Re:Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I try to avoid using my real info on the 'net. It just seems like a bad idea. :(
      Instead I go anon whenever possible, or use a different handle for each purpose, and try to keep them compartmentalized. I let 'em "expire" once in a while too.

  26. GPL the data by itsjpr · · Score: 1

    This kind of data is what more of us should expose. We should also protect it with the GPL. Anyone would be free to use the data (source) however they like and extend it with their own analysis adding more data, as long at that data also carries the GPL.

    This would eventually build a large data set that could be used by anyone both for evil marketing/spying or good counter advertising, like revealing the real cost of goods and services.

    It really seems like the only option to overcome the large private databases that, in a large part, control our lives.

    1. Re:GPL the data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eh?

      if "GPL the data" made any sense, we wouldn't have a problem in the first place. We could just claim copyright on all the data and keep them secret. Unfortunately, I don't think the spooks care very much about copyright ...

  27. Same old problem by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The ability to gather the data about you has long been there. Commercial sources have been able to do this for nearly two decades, anyone remember the late and not lamented Lotus Marketplace ?.

    The real trick is to turn the raw data into meaningfull information. Its that lack of discrimination thats truly scary in letting the government assume that kind of power.

    I have no wish to have storm troopers drilling holes in my ceiling because my name is one letter off from a terrorist, or because I bought a pint of humous at the supermarket. Untill there is sufficient discrimination in the system to be intelligent about who it singles out, and Unless there is further the mandatory requirement for human investigation and discretion before acting this type of technology will be nothing but a loose cannon.

    As things currently stand this type of information will just be used to harrass and persecute people that have been flagged by or have annoyed some government beureuacrat. Terry pratchet in his truly insightfull manner summed up the relationship between the populace and the law, "Commander Grimes surveyed the crowd of people and amused himself by trying to figure out what each one was guilty of". Everyone is guilty of something, with the current level of litigation and legality within our society most people are guilty of many things they aren't even aware of.

    If TIA raw data is available for call up on any individual, suspicious material will be found, and nominally innocent people will have their lives made a hell. If however it can be predictive and then mediated with severe limits it could actually serve a valuable purpose.

    1. Re:Same old problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If however it can be predictive and then mediated with severe limits it could actually serve a valuable purpose.

      Any technology can be used for good or bad. The trouble with TIA, is that it concentrates an enormous amount of power in one place without any checks or balances.

      Do you think Nixon would have resigned if TIA existed in the 70's? No. Someone would have tracked down deepthroat and had him/her silenced.

    2. Re:Same old problem by kfg · · Score: 1

      "I have no wish to have storm troopers drilling holes in my ceiling because my name is one letter off from a terrorist"

      Hmmmmm, your name wouldn't be "Buttle'" by any chance, now would it?

      I have a memo here about you.

      KFG

    3. Re:Same old problem by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      I have no wish to have storm troopers drilling holes in my ceiling because my name is one letter off from a terrorist

      Really, this is a good argument for a national ID system. I don't like the government tracking me in detail, but if they're going to do it, I'd feel a little safer if they at least had the ability to do it correctly.

      I think we've reached the point where we need to concentrate on figuring out how to protect our freedom given the fact that we've already lost our privacy.

    4. Re:Same old problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And a national ID card would protect your freedom how?

      Before we figure out how to protect our freedom we may want to take some time to think about what it means to be free.

      Make a deal with the devil lately, Herr Doktor?

  28. Now if we can just start using GPS tracking... by LinuxMan · · Score: 1

    This guy should would have an even more interesting map if he would use Loran or GPS to track his actual movements too. Especially if he could create an animated map allowing him to retrace every move of every day. That accompanied by his actual ATM/grocery store/etc transactions, itemized receipts and all, and it would make for an impressive "journal" you would never have to write a word in.

    gpspda

  29. Disappointing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Explain again why this particular article is interesting. What exactly do you now know that you didn't know before you read it?

    1. Re:Disappointing? by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > What exactly do you now know that you didn't know before you read it?

      Excepting the fact that there wasn't anything to read (this "article" is three copies of the same image in different formats) in the article, I now know where this guy spends his money. Muwahahaha...

      Wait, if he's arguing about his personal privacy, why the hell is he publishing it for everyone to see?

  30. DO THIS by c4ffeine · · Score: 1

    This sounds like a good idea; if every /.er did this, it would be an overwhelming show of opinion from the American public. Let's see what they do then. Maybe we'd better not, though. What if they decide that /. is a terrorist organization? any ideas? comments?

    --
    "73% of quotes on the Internet are made up" -Ben Franklin
    1. Re:DO THIS by fenix+down · · Score: 1

      Then we will all be shot in our sleep. Duh.

  31. False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can get you mapped out
    What happens with non-comercial events?
    A party.
    A visit to your parents.
    You read a friend's book.

    No comercial transaction => No track.

    Do you think terrorist go to "Terroristrus.com" with their credit card?

    1. Re:False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      A party

      How did you get invited to the party?

      Did someone telephone you? Then the gov't has a record of the time the call was made and the phone numbers that it was made between.

      Did someone send you an invitation in the mail? Then the post office OCR'd the envelope and they do retain the images on file for some time.

      Did someone e-mail you? Then DCS-1000 read the invitation as it travelled from the party host to you.

      How did you visit your parents?

      Did you drive a motor vehicle? Then your license plate was scanned.

      Did you buy any gasoline along the way?

      Did you pass over any toll bridges with an easy-pass device?

      How do you keep in touch with your friend? Telephone, e-mail, snail mail? Then the DHS has an edge from you to your friend in their affinity map.

      How did your friend buy the book? Barnes and Noble keeps track of which customers buy which book, you know.

      This information breaks into the news from time to time. During the anthrax letter scare, some newspapers noticed the techniques that the Post Office used to trace letters -- techniques that they use on every letter, because the P.O. used them to trace letters that they had no reason to be suspicious of until after the letters were delivered. Similarly, Ken Starr subpoena'ed Monica Lewinsky's book purchases at Barnes and Noble -- and it turned out that Barnes Noble *did* have those records.

  32. Pretty boring... by jonfelder · · Score: 1

    I don't see what the big deal is...you can find out where someone has been based on what they've purchased...BFD.

    Granted this info is electronically available if you use a card or a check, but who didn't know that already?

    He didn't even do the site very creatively...scanning in receipts and placing the location on the map isn't particularly interesting. You get receipts when you pay with cash too. Just sift through the garbage of someone who doesn't shread their receipts. Now if he'd obtained the info electronically and presented it in real time, that may be cooler and scarier.

    Find a way to correlate the above info with all the images taken of you by known public cameras within the vicinity of your purchases and you may even have a 1984 experience.

  33. Worrying by Michael+Hunt · · Score: 1

    So, what bothers me, is not so much the fact that the data's out there; face it. Every time you use plastic, you become a foreign key in SOMEBODY's database. Every time you spend money and get a receipt, somebody knows that somebody fitting your biometric patterning bought $X worth of FOO.

    That's irrelevant.

    What's worrying is the potential for abuse. If, say, I spend $800 in a certain part of town by withdrawing it from an ATM, then make no transactions for 24 hours, what are the conclusions that 'they' are going to come to? What are the thresholds between when you are merely a 'statistic' to when they decide that you are a 'statistical anomaly' and look closer at what you are doing?

    We need to be seriously campaigning for stronger privacy reform (no, the toothless australian 'Privacy Act' doesn't cut it.) CC info should be DESTROYED every 7 years (7 years being how long companies need hold onto information for ATO purposes, not sure about the 'States), and CCTV recordings should be kept for a maximum of a week unless there's an incident which needs to be investigated (viz, somebody setting up them the armed robbery, etc.)

    I'm worried.

    1. Re:Worrying by legoburner · · Score: 3, Informative

      From my unreliable, tertiary sources I believe that the UK has 6 months for standard data (eg; if you dont use your blockbuster card for 6 months they delete you from their database), CCTV in towns is removed after 2 days (if you ever need the police to review some, or want to get a copy then you need to be quick or you are out of luck), credit card data I am not sure about, though banking data disappears from my online statement every quarter and credit card data disappears after a year. One cant help but assume that my data is sitting in some offsite backup somewhere though. All this is covered under the UK's Data Protection Act 1998, in which an individual can demand a company or govt agency to give them all the data they want about themselves (for a fee of no more than inflation-adjusted 15 GBP), and if they do not, or are found to be withholding data, they are subject to a fine of something like 30000 GBP per instance.

  34. I'm a Conservative! (A Poem for You) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, I'm a Republican
    I got a small schling
    I like to bomb niggahs
    and make a lot o' bling

    I got a bunch o' friends
    in high up places
    They helps me get dem
    government graces.

    You think I'm smart
    I just know who's who
    I couldn't run a fruit stand
    without the red white & blue

    I fancy myself
    A brilliant tactician
    But neither me nor m'buddies
    Could even pass basic trainin'

    See, I'm above all that
    A fightin' and shootin'
    I just say "Sic em!"
    Then run the other direction

    Don't need no history
    Don't need no schoolin'
    I got my ideology
    To keep me a shootin'

    Liberals! Faggots!
    Commies and queers!
    Socialist hippies
    Full o' pussy tears!

    I'll drop some crap
    about Jesus the Christ
    You'll buy it all
    and vote for me twice

    'Fact, Jesus is comin'!
    Real soon, now!
    So we gotta prop up Israel
    That ol' sacred cow

    Propaganda's m'friend
    But I calls it "fact"
    Even though I don't read
    'Cept for Chick tracts

    Facts? No! Don't need em here!
    We're conservatives! We work on FEAR!
    Don't like what we say?
    Well FUCK YOU, bud!
    We'll shove it down yer throat
    and tell ya it's good!

  35. Useful Illustration by maomoondog · · Score: 4, Informative
    He may be short on datapoints, but I think this gives a great illustration of how intrusive even a fraction of TIA's capabilities would be. This locational data could point probibalistically to hobbies, spending habits, sexual habits, organization membership and plenty of other things your employer / insurer / unfriendly regime (not talking just about USA) / local con artist / direct marketer / stalker would love to know. These systems will be made and abused, so if you care about any of the above, you should join efforts to condemn them socially wherever you are. I'm relieved the US Congress seems to be doing this by reconsidering funding TIA with taxes!

    If you live outside the USA, you should take special interest in [former TIA chief] [and felon] John Poindexter's recent open letter in the New York Times.

    It's pretty handwavy, but he makes a couple of interesting claims:
    • He says military research is free of moral content. His scientists are
      responsible for discovering what is possible; other agencies will be
      responsible for determining its correct use. I'm all for free exploration,
      but this is calculatedly naive. I think this project in particular was
      created with use in mind, and I think tax funded research should reflect
      what taxpayers feel is in their best interest.

    • He says TIA is aimed exclusively at foreign surveillance (and zeroes in on an
      American hotspot, claiming that American financial data isn't analyzed).
      I doubt this*, but even if it's true, citizens abroad should be letting their governments know about how they feel about the US accessing their data.


    *: DARPA funds a lot of research into how to appease American privacy laws while conducting surveillance.
    1. Re:Useful Illustration by FosterKanig · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I used to like watching DARPA and GREG, until I realized they were never going to show her breasts.

  36. Mod parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod this parent DOWN. I hate motherfuckers who don't even read the article. The guy has EVERY RECIPT SCANNED IN FOR CHRISTS SAKE!

  37. I did this too by wfmcwalter · · Score: 2, Funny

    I did this on myself also, and I found out the following:

    - 5 visits to 8-ball's bomb shop in Harwood
    - 45 visits to various branches of AmmuNation around the city
    - two purchases of rocket launchers from Phil's Army Surplus

    I don't see what the big deal is. What could anyone infer from that?

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    1. Re:I did this too by CausticWindow · · Score: 1

      Depends..

      If you're talking yearly, then 45 visits to AmmuNation is just above the Unamerican threshold.

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    2. Re:I did this too by Faithman2k · · Score: 1

      It's all very funny until you put someone's eye out.

  38. What's The Weather Like. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . .up your own ass?

  39. Funny?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow...what slashdot moderators consider "funny" is about as obvious and simple as a 5 year old's sense of humo.

    1. Re:Funny?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Humo? I think you mean homo. All you guys are obsessed with homos.

  40. And it just goes to illustrate... by Mycroft_514 · · Score: 2

    The amount of data thatis available is much to large to even store on a single or any group of machines available to the kind of money that has been allocated to the project.

    In fact, I was involved with a project to capture the billing records of AT&T for a 3 month rolling store some years ago. The largest theoretical system at the time was too small to handle the amount of data, by a factor of 1/3.

    Scale this up to all transactions by all people. No computer in existance can handle the volume of data, even before the government tries to determine which data is important.

    I'm not really worried about this program for that reason. It will never fly.

    1. Re:And it just goes to illustrate... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but on the other hand no commercial interest has even a fraction of the resources available to it that the Federal Government has, and would cheerfully misdirect to this end. And you also don't realize that long-term archival storage of this information isn't the point. The fact that you bought a box of doughnuts ten years ago is irrelevant: the fact that you bought something yesterday that is considered relevant today is the point. What they can do is require organizations that do collect personal information (credit bureaus, banks) to look for specific information and forward it to the TIA systems. There is already precedent for that: banks are required to report cash transactions that exceed specific limits, for example.

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    2. Re:And it just goes to illustrate... by Mycroft_514 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, you miss the point. If a company like AT&T can not store 3 months of long distance information (NO such machine exists to hold it all), then the government CAN NOT analyze data that does not exist. It does exist, but only on many cartridges of tape. Reading said tape would take many hours, even if you knew what you were looking for. And before that, you have to retrieve some of the tape from "the bunker", which takes a truck to haul it back to the data center.

      When you scale this up to the whole population of the country, and then add in all transactions, it can not be done with current technology. Poindexter is smoking something really good to think that it can be done. Thus, this is one of the biggest wastes of tax dollars going today. Can anyone say "Pork Barrel!".

      Oh, and long term storage is ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY to see patterns in transactions, as described by the authors of the idea.

    3. Re:And it just goes to illustrate... by tqft · · Score: 1

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=79416&threshol d=1&commentsort=0&tid=103&tid=126&tid=158&tid=172& tid=99&mode=thread&pid=7020437#7031102

      I can't be bothered to retype it

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  41. Not a new idea by babbage · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This isn't exactly a new idea. The most prominent antecedent for this is Gordon Bell's MyLifeBits project at Microsoft Research. But even that isn't original -- Bell is working against ideas first presented in an article Vannevar Bush wrote for the July 1945 issue of Atlantic Monthly, As We May Think.

    Bush's essay is really fascinating to read: he envisions a magical desk that could record all a person's thoughts & encounters, and provide the ability to browse that library through a special screen on the device. Keep in mind that this was in 1945, right at the beginning of the computer era, when these machines were the size of buildings, far more complicated to operate, and nowhere near powerful enough. Now, half a century later, Bell feels that the technology is finally at the point where Bush's ideas can be implemented. Think what you will of Microsoft, or of the "big brother" implications of such a machine -- the very fact that this sort of thing is being put into practice is quite impressive.

    Anyone working on such omnipresent recording & retrieval systems needs to be aware of this prior art.

  42. You don't seem too worried. by aligma · · Score: 1

    Sid Odgers, why do you make it so easy, if you are so worried?
    Born on the 11th of August, 1981, in Melbourne, Australia (best city on earth), I have interests in almost everything. I drive a 1988 Ford Falcon, own several indoor plants, and operate a bunch of servers out of my third bedroom. When not being a geek, I'm interested in billiards (and pool, snooker,) cultivating indoor plants, cheap philosophy, and working on the same book I've been writing for almost three years.

    1. Re:You don't seem too worried. by Michael+Hunt · · Score: 2

      Yes, and if you do a whois, you get to find out that 'Sid' is also an alias.

      I don't care about that. I don't care that people know that i'm a unix guy who likes playing snooker with his spathyfillum. This is information which I am VOLUNTEERING. There is a difference, and it is great.

  43. I've audited banks... by JRHelgeson · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I can tell you now that any time you swipe your card - that information goes first to the credit card processor where a few pennies go to the card issuer. Not the bank but Visa, Mastercard, Amex or Discover.

    Then the data are sent to the bank. OF COURSE they track all this info. THEY HAVE TO! THEY'RE BANKS!!! There is a money trail/information trail that is left behind any time you ever do ANYTHING with electronic banking.

    If the FBI or local police get a subpoena, they have access to all this information NOW. STOP THE PRESSES!!!

    What blows my fuse is that people think that this is NEW, and it is being put in place by the Dept of Homeland Security. Can you say FUD?

    If the data is already out there, and its already retrieveable once they get a warrant/subpoena. What is wrong here?

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    1. Re:I've audited banks... by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

      Dept of Homeland Security wants it retrieveable without a warrant/subpoena.

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    2. Re:I've audited banks... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No only do they want it available with judicial oversight, they want it available on-demand, conveniently, right on their desktops. No waiting ... just point and click. No thanks ... I want these people to have to work to find out anything of consequence about me.

      The other, bigger, danger is in the centralization of information. Yes, certainly, someone with a stack of subpoena forms can go make a bunch of phone calls, find out where your accounts are, and get what he wants. The data is stored all over in different systems by different organizations ... anyone wanting to find out everything about you specifically will have some work to do.

      Now imagine that same information being stored on a massive government system or network. Even if it isn't stored there, but is simply available upon-demand by that government system it means that your personal info can be grabbed by a Fed, special agent, hacker, cracker, terrorist, or foreign government at a single point of entry.

      That's risky at best. Given the government's track record on security (and the Department of Homeland Security's recent choice of Microsoft products for all it's in-house needs) I think it's fair to assume that unauthorized access would occur.

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    3. Re:I've audited banks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >If the data is already out there, and its already retrieveable once they get a warrant/subpoena. What is wrong here?

      You've put your finger on the answer right there: "once they get a warrant/subpoena". Under the PATRIOT act, no such judicial oversight is necessary.

    4. Re:I've audited banks... by pmz · · Score: 1

      If the data is already out there, and its already retrieveable once they get a warrant/subpoena. What is wrong here?

      I hope you answered your own question. The government wants to do away with those pesky warrants. The Bill of Rights just gets in the way.
      Stupid Bill of Rights trying to protect the People from a tyrannical government. How silly.

  44. Re: Groceries? by Rick+and+Roll · · Score: 1

    You mean hard liquor. For his late-night transient chainsaw killing spree celebration.

  45. Not just "no big deal" by zachlipton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I first looked at this, I thought (as a lot of people here have commented) that this wasn't much of a big deal: so what? This guy scanned in a few receipts and plotted them on a map, big deal...

    However, as I started to look more closely at his patterns, I thought to myself: wow! Based on just this tiny swatch of information, I already know the aproximate area where he lives. If I wanted, I could find the average household income in his neighborhood. I know what he eats and I can tell if he's going to have a party next week based on what he got at the grocery store.

    I know what date and time he went to the market, so if I had a few more data points, I could probably predict when he's going to be there.

    He got a map of Central America at Borders, perhaps a statistical model shows that people following his patterns are likely to be terrorists who want to commit atacks in Central America? Or perhaps we can market cheap airline tickets to him?

    While this may just look like a guys random map, you can piece together a whole lot from this.

    1. Re:Not just "no big deal" by babbage · · Score: 1
      Based on just this tiny swatch of information, I already know the aproximate area where he lives.

      That, or you know that he likes hanging out in the Adams Morgan neighborhood of DC, which might or might not tell you anything. A similar sort of area in the Boston area might suggest that a lot of people "live" in Harvard Square, because there are a lot of shops & restaraunts there. Similar analysis would be similarly skewed for any other big city.

      Adams Morgan and Harvard Square are both districts with eclectic restaraunts, similar kinds of shops, etc. I picture them both having bookstores like Borders, clothing (etc) stores like Urban Outfitters, record stores, etc. Basically the sort of stores you might expect to find in any college town, or in this case the part of a large city near a big university.

      What we're seeing here isn't necessarily where an indication of geography (in spite of the obvious map), but of demographics: he's the sort of person that would prefer to spend his money in a place like Adams Morgan (or, at a guess, Harvard Square). That suggests certain things about his income, education, etc, but based on this data his home address could actually be fairly wide open to interpretation. A lot of people will travel to a neighborhood like this from other parts of a city, or from the suburbs, because neighborhoods like this are often the best place to find certain things.

      Or at least, that's what I do: my neighborhood one town over from Cambridge MA has few interesting stores or restaraunts, so a lot of the time in neighborhoods like Harvard Square, Coolidge Corner, etc. You could make a slightly more accurate guess where I live based on where I usually fill up my gas tank, but then I happen to live down the street from one of the cheapest gas stations in the area, and I get the impression that a lot of people go out of their way to get gas there.

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      So anyway, my point is that you're right, you can draw all sorts of inferences based on the presented patterns, but the nature of those patterns might not be obvious, or at least is a bit more complicated than simply assuming that the high concentration of transactions in a given neighborhood means that the person lives in that neighborhood. This, in my opinion, makes the data both more and less interesting...

    2. Re:Not just "no big deal" by zachlipton · · Score: 1

      I agree, exactly. My conclusions were just guesses, but if you were doing this for real, you could build statistical models based on the actions of real people and process the results from there.

      If you got a big enough sample, you could feed the results into a special Naive Bayesian algorithom and classify people by the data that he presents.

      I was pointing out how easy it is to gather data just by looking at his map let alone using specialized models.

    3. Re:Not just "no big deal" by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Yes, but add in a few hundred thousand more datapoints, some supercomputer equipment with advanced statistical modeling algorithms, some profiling specifications written by bureaucrats with no conception of actual reality, and an assistant prosecutor in need of a few big wins. Then we see just how useful this information can become.

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    4. Re:Not just "no big deal" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, based on the few datapoints provided, my not-so-supercomputer with not so advanced statistical modeling algorithms, his address and phone number is as follows.

      1630 Connecticut Ave. NW Floor 7
      Washington, DC 20009

      Tel: (202) 986 2700

  46. You're a lousy tipper by quietlysubversive · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anyone notice the fact that this guy leaves some pretty shitty tips?

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    1. Re:You're a lousy tipper by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 1

      > Anyone notice the fact that this guy leaves some pretty shitty tips?

      What? He's tipping over 20%.

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  47. location, location, location by Temsi · · Score: 1

    In a way, I think it's incredibly appropriate that his electronic trail puts hime just a few blocks from the White House...

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  48. Safeway in the US? by caluml · · Score: 1

    http://vilimpoc.org/research/map-safeway/
    And I thought the transatlantic tide only came one way...?

  49. one hint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pay cash.

    1. Re:one hint by Lokist · · Score: 1

      Actually if you have a point... If you withdraw money from the same bank machine each time...and you deposit a paycheque into that same bank, and that bank only.... TIA wouldn't be able to gather much... 1 access point...

      Then again, could doing this get yourself flagged?

      US GOV: "Hmm... this guy doesn't seem to have much of an electronic trail at all"...

      The problem is... WHO is better with physical cash then a bank card? Cash is like water over here...

  50. Interesting info from Ari Fleischer... by JRHelgeson · · Score: 1
    Q Ari, how much does the President know about Mr. Poindexter's total information awareness program, and does he fully support it?

    MR. FLEISCHER: Well, I think that the President supports his efforts to prevent terrorists from engaging in any attacks against the United States, while making certain that the constitutional rights and liberties of the American people are protected. That's what the President is going to make certain what is done.

    Q Specifically on that program, that's been a bit controversial, much like TIPS became controversial, has he waited at all on --

    MR. FLEISCHER: You'd really have to talk to Department of Defense to get a clear understanding of what that program is. I think there's been some misrepresentations of what it is. The President knows the importance of working carefully and respectfully to honor the rights of individual Americans while at the same time remain concerned that terrorists are stopped from attacking us again.

    From the 11/22/2002 White House press confrence.

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    1. Re:Interesting info from Ari Fleischer... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      How is this interesting? It's just PR babble with no real information.

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  51. Not even...try a GoBot pshaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    insert rim shot here

  52. Looks like a terrorist to me. by Sir+Holo · · Score: 3, Funny


    Take a look at his purchasing behavior at Safeway - Goya rice, three separate purchases of mangos.

    And what's this? Kim-chee? Bean paste, pickled bamboo, and guava? Any connection to North Korea here? Has he purchased any maps of North Korea lately?

    Also appears to be an avid news reader, and heavy user of public transportation. Definitely a troublemaker.

  53. You'll probably never even care by tyler_larson · · Score: 1
    The TIA concept is not new, it's been explored in the sci-fi genre ad nauseum. However, one of the less examined aspects of implementing such a system in our society is the fact that we live in a representative republic. The people responsible for this system must be re-elected every few years by the very people they're oppressing.

    So, the rights of the people must be respected to the extent that the people want them to be respected. If the people, as a whole, don't feel like they're being treated fairly, they'll elect officials who will change the laws to suit the people.

    Obviously the people don't make all the decisions. If it were supposed to be that way, we'd live in a democracy (no, we don't) rather than a representative republic. The people only decide on really big issues. The rest is left to the politicians' judgement. Politicans can do things people don't want them to do as long as it doesn't make an impact large enough to warrant electing a different official.

    So, the TIA initiative, in order to work, must remain unused and unabused enough that most people won't care. Unlike most people seem to think, nothing like this will ever create an undesired change in our lifestyle as a whole. It will instead be either exactly what most of us want, or a dark secret kept out of public view both in implementation and effect. Well-known and unapproved abuses of power in the eyes of his constituency mean political suicide for any elected official.

    Big brother may be watching, but he's not allowed to touch if we wants to keep his power.

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    1. Re:You'll probably never even care by KillerLoop · · Score: 1

      Unless Big Brother has a way of say, forming and shaping public opinion, by say, centralized mass media or somesuch.

      And how much of a choice do you have with two parties, essentially implementing the same agenda with slightly different means and focus on detail?

      What I know about the states of affairs in the US is deeply worrying to me and my colleagues. But then again we don't know first hand and might be severely mistaken.

  54. In other news... by JRHelgeson · · Score: 1
    The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) has announced that they intend to make a national network of computers whereby they can converse secretly regarding issues of national defense. Specifically, the research and development of nuclear weapons.

    DARPA officials are calling this top secret project ARPAnet and they believe that it could possibly grow into a world wide network of interconnected computers, whereby they can use a central search engine to cull information about every single person that participates on this 'internet'.

    Privacy advocates are in an uproar stating that the government officials could access online journals written by American citizens and that all this information could be indexed by 'search engines' and could be viewed not only by the government but by Joe Sixpack sitting in his La-Z-Boy.

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    I've given up a certain level of anonymity just by getting on the net. If you plug my name into Google, you can find articles I've written, and find out pretty quickly where I work. Plug that info into an online phone book and you've got my home phone number and my home address. Stop by sometime and we'll have some coffee, but please call first.

    Banks already keep an audit trail of every single purchase I make on my credit card. They have to, they're banks. So, what is the big deal if they index that information to discover that I've gone and purchased five tons of ammonium nitrate fertilizer, in discrete 500 pound increments, and then I went and purchased 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel in 100 gallon increments... Should I be investigated? You bet!

    If my office building gets blown up by some muslim extremist and we later find out that these terrorists left a clear documentation trail showing the gradual purchase of the supplies, I would hope and pray that my wife would use my entire life insurance policy to sue the holy piss out of the government that didn't do every single thing possible to prevent such a preventable attack.

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    1. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The point isn't that information can be garnered from it, It's that the government is trying to build a tool for the sole purpose of destroying your privacy.

      Hmm, Joe sixpack over here bought 100 CDR's and hasn't bought any Music CD's in the last 10 years, I think we better investigate him for Copyright infringment. (You know the RIAA would get access to this info.)

      Hmm John Smith over here bought 300 rounds of bullets. He doesn't have a membership to a gun range, we better investigate him. He's obviously not using bullets for the appropriate reasons.

      Hmm College boy seems to have withdrawn 500 dollars from his account but based on average spending ammounts at local bars, he only spent 200 of that, He might be into the evils of marijuana. Better investigate.

      Hmm Joe internet user browsed some anarchist websites, some anti government websites, some subversive websites, the anarchists cookbook and guns and ammo websites. (You're average slashdot user). Hmm, looks suspicious better investigate.

      As i have clearly illustrated in some vaguely appropriate allusions. This information will not be used soley to hunt down terrorists, As Your government has already proven, the government will use the tools it has for whatever it sees as necessary.

      These tools are multipurpose, and will be used in multiple ways, It is foolish to believe that they will only be used to target terrorists. As i Believe your DOJ has already used some "anti-terrorist" legislation against common criminals.

      I didn't complain when they came for the Gays, I wasn't one. I didn't complain when they came for the jews, I wasn't one. I didn't complain when they came for the catholics, I wasn't one.

      When they came for me, there was nobody left to complain.

  55. Information wants to be free, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  56. Loyalty card? by Quixote · · Score: 1
    You know, since you're using a loyalty card (at Safeway), then they already know quite a bit about you.

    I'll just leave it at that. :-)

    1. Re:Loyalty card? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the damn grocery store I go to has this "Bonus Card" thing... I get snail mail from them every now and then, with coupons. But you know what? IT'S NEVER FOR ANY PRODUCTS THAT I PURCHASE! What's up with that? Seems like they'd target certain products at me, but no, they offer me discounts on crap! Seems like they'd put that data to better use.

  57. TIA Analysis by gellenburg · · Score: 1

    After reviewing this guy's purchasing habits:

    (a) He needs to withdraw more than $40 at a time. As it stands, he's paying 5% service fee for the convenience.

    Withdrawing $200 at a time and only paying a 1% service fee makes better monetary sense.

    Then again, he does work in D.C. The city that couldn't balance a budget if our lives depended on it.

    (b) He really needs to learn to tip more.

  58. I track my own doings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    It is very evil TIA. I call it a (muahahahahaha) DIARY!!!

    Now give my slashbot headlines.

  59. He's credit happy... by DoorFrame · · Score: 1

    The one thing I noticed about this guy, from his receipts, is that he pays for very inexpensive items with credit cards. I didn't even know they would accept a credit card at Subway... for one sandwich? Or using the credit card for one mango smoothy for less than five dollars? Don't the cashiers give him dirty looks?

    The one piece of advice I would give is to carry around a little bit of cash with you. The rest of us don't want to stand in line behind a guy buying a quart of milk with his AMEX Gold card.

    1. Re:He's credit happy... by xyzzy · · Score: 1

      It was probably a debit card (i.e. a mastercard tied to his bank account). Merchants that accept credit cards at all are supposed to accept them for purchases of any size, although many try not to (they get REAMED on fees).

      What is more appalling is that he took $40 out of the atm and paid a $2 service fee! Ack!

  60. Robin Williams by Banjonardo · · Score: 1
    Total information awareness? Reminds me of Robin Williams' live on broadway...

    Bill Gates: Yes, Mr. Senator, it will be called Total Information Technology, or TIT. And when you're sucking on the tit, I have you by the motherboard!

    Senator: Mr. Gates, but what about Monopoly rules?

    (In tiny, ridiculous voice)

    Bill Gates: Monopoly is a game, Mr. Senator. I want to control the fucking world!

    Or something like that...

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  61. TIA won't scale by GoldenBB · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While interesting, I lose no sleep over TIA because it simply won't scale into any sample size big enough to actually be useful for catching terrorists. As with baggage screening, face recognition, and pretty much every other system the US Goverment has been thinking about or implementing, the false positive rate is far too high. If terrorists were 50% of the population and easy to identify, it might be useful. And what does this example prove? If you "game" the system, in other words, actively try to thwart being tracked, you will find it is easy to do. It would be easy to make the system think you are out getting groceries while you are actually off committing a murder in another state. The perfect alibi!

    1. Re:TIA won't scale by Hatta · · Score: 1

      The fact that it wont help us catch terrorists is exactly why you should be losing sleep. What it will do, however, it make it a lot easier to dig up dirt on political activists. Much like the FBI files on Martin Luther King Jr. and John Lennon, etc. but on a much larger scale.

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  62. Robin Williams Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't Robin Williams talk about this during his recent comedy special?

    It went something like this:

    Now we have Total Information Awareness, and soon we'll have Total Information Technology, T.I.T. And when you're connected to the T.I.T., we have you by the motherboard!

  63. You can learn a lot! by cookiepus · · Score: 1

    For example, Claire at the Brickseller must be good looking because he gave her a good (23%) tip.

  64. Too much flack by ScrotumLegs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm surprised how much hell this dude is catching from you all. First, he's not coding something for a competition, it looks like a project he's done on his spare time just to put a picture to how easy it would be to compile info and track people. He's not claiming anything about its quality. Second, to the bright one who wrote "sounds like a terrorist to me," just because someone buys oriental food, doesn't mean they are from N.Korea. And in case you are still prone to unhealthy non sequitur, if someone is from N. Korea, it doesn't mean they are a terrorist. And third, to those saying he should get a life, you're the ones spending your time conversing through /. He's doing research at a think tank in DC, no doubt an advocate for stuff most slashdotters only complain about.

    1. Re:Too much flack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      just because someone buys oriental food, doesn't mean they are from N.Korea. And in case you are still prone to unhealthy non sequitur, if someone is from N. Korea, it doesn't mean they are a terrorist

      -1, Humor-Impaired

  65. For Two? by jefu · · Score: 1
    I'd love to see what you have since I've been thinking about similar things in a completely digital realm (only email, web pages, files on my (several) machines and so on).

    So, let this be a bit of encouragement for you to put the code somewhere where it can be looked at and experimented with.

  66. Bad database example by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

    Every time you use plastic, you become a foreign key in SOMEBODY's database.

    Um, no. You've created a new row in the purchase table, which has a foreign key to the customer table, where you have a single row, referenced by the primary key.

  67. Top 3 Ways to Never Become Bored by WebMasterP · · Score: 1

    1) Spy on yourself
    2) Chase your own tail
    3) Go to line 1

    1. Re:Top 3 Ways to Never Become Bored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you're saying is, this idiot forgot two things:

      2a. ???
      2b. Profit

      There goes the piano lessons.

  68. I'm Disappointed in /. by Wes+Janson · · Score: 1

    No one thought of this? In soviet russia, you spy on yourself!

  69. wrong mod score? Re:WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yo! Taco! THAT IS NOT FUNNY!!!!

    +5 Insightful actually.

    At least you gave it a 4...

    This is actually really scary, look how badly the media and news outlets stateside literally got whipped to report the Bush/US Government line on Gulf War V2.0 and the whole terrorist affair.

    I was watching Larry King Live on CNN around the time of GW2, a caller called in and identified herself as the editor of a weekly magazine for current members and vetrans of the US military. She spewed the Bush line almost word for word on the war and terrorism.

    Excuse me, but you are a member of the press, your job is to QUESTION this, not regurjitate it back to the masses!

    The duty of The Press(tm) is to promote change and improvement in the society. Within this mandate is to bring to light the decisions and methodology used to make decisions at the politcal level and question those decisions.

    The litany of the reporter and the entire news industry: Who, What, Where, When, Why.

    In my mind, the biggest is WHY.

  70. Total Awareness.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suggest you all read "The Light of Other Worlds" by Arthur C. Clarke (co-authored with someone else).

    A technological event occurs that ultimately destroys the entire concept of privacy, but destroys it for *everyone*, all the time--you at work, your wife at the store, the president in his shower, you having sex...

  71. TIA blocker: cash by jroysdon · · Score: 1

    The real question to me is, how long until they do away with the TIA blocker: cash? I use cash to by stuff I don't want tracked (2600 at B&N, lunch with a friend I don't want someone else to know about, etc.).

    I'm not really worried until they decide to abolish cash. Then you'll have no choice but to have everything you purchase or anything you go being tracked (think toll booths, subways, buses, taxies).

    Of course, all they really have to do is just strap a GPSr on the bottom of your personal transportation device. Not warrant required (ask Scott Pederson).

    Hmm, and don't even get started with what is tracked with cell phone calls.

    1. Re:TIA blocker: cash by jroysdon · · Score: 1


      Heh, then it occured to me, no need to strap a GPSr on your car if you have a cell phone and keep it on... I wonder how well you can track where someone is going or has been by looking at what cell towers they've been connected to as one travels? Yeah, nowhere near as precise, but still a very good vague idea when you piece other bits of info together.

    2. Re:TIA blocker: cash by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Ever consider that using cash frequently is in itself a suspicious activity?

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  72. Your point being - what exactly? by M0b1u5 · · Score: 1

    BIG FAT WOW! Sweet baby Jebus, if I mapped my electronic trail, you wouldn't even be able to see the map!! I think the post should actually go something like this: "I'm a scared person with too much time on my hands. I don't trust the US Government, so I made this lame map." The only thing worth mentioning is that the US government has entirely too much INTEREST in what her citizens get up to. Frankly, who gives a toss what electronic trails you leave behind? It's a TRAIL for goodness sake, and it tell ANYONE where you are NOW! You think the police couldn't create a trail like this without any electronic information whatsoever? Man, if you are paranoid about E-data on you, then you better move to Bumfuck, Africa, and live in a mud hut. And get a life!

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  73. The best solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is to get a government job right away as a TIA analyst. They're gonna need a lot of em and you don't have to fear big brother if you are big brother. ...under the spreading chestnut tree...i sold you and you sold me....

  74. Test the system out by Quizo69 · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see more people doing what the various news stations do occasionally and take all the relevant steps to build, say, a rocket launcher, or bomb etc, but not actually use it of course!

    So you build your "bomb", buying parts etc you would need to actually put it together, then put it together in inert form and take it somewhere. Write a clear, concise notice of intent on the device, and before you begin the project, sign and seal a letter describing the same and give it to a solicitor to hold. Once you are in position, raise the "BANG!" flag and point out that the TIA system failed in its stated goal of preventing you doing exactly what you just did.

    It would be interesting to see what percentage of people were caught, and what percentage got away with it.

  75. True but not new by shakuni · · Score: 1

    I paid my toll through an EZpass at midtown at 12.00 paid a toll at NJTP at 12.45 and 1.15. Used my credit card to pay some movers at 3.15. Went to the ATM at 4.00 in Rahway NJ. Used my credit card at a restaurant at 4.45 on Route 22. and so on. All this information I thinks tells you at least this much: I drove from Long Island to somewhere around Rahway NJ. Probably i moved from Long Island to NJ as I had paid the movers. Looking at the amount one can guess if this move is from Long Island to NJ and how big is my house and so on and so forth.....I sometimes use my chronologically ordered statements to track my own movements. Its fun but easy.

  76. Of course, cash isn't safe either... by Insightfill · · Score: 1
    Of course, running your life entirely on cash has its own pitfalls.

    With the advent of RICO laws in the US, the mere holding of a large amount of cash is subject to extra scrutiny. If you choose to pull your entire paycheck out as cash each week and pay things off in cash, you run the risk of: losing the cash, getting the cash stolen, or...

    getting the cash confiscated as possible drug money. Charges do not have to be pressed against you, but the cash, and there's little-to-no recourse in retrieving the money. Get pulled over for a minor traffic violation at the end of a quota month, and that could be the end of it.

    There's been some noise being made by courts and pols about it being overly broad and being used as a supplemental source of money for local police departments, but given the more recent and broader laws on the books, I don't think this cash cow is going anywhere, soon.

    Also, making any purchase (such as a car) of $10K or more warrants all sorts of paperwork with the treasury department to the effect that it is NOT illicit money, and making frequent large cash transactions of just under $10K - to escape scrutiny - is referred to as "stacking", and can also result in all sorts of nasty investigations and seizures all on its own.

    What's next: RFID money?

  77. Re:wrong mod score? Re:WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WRONG! The duty of the Press is not to counter every action of the government. In the opinion of this editor, she (and many others) believes that the government is taking the right steps in reducing the public's risk to foreign terrorist interests.

    Perhaps after questioning the policies, this editor found that there were indeed serious shortfalls in the security of this country, and that hiding our heads in the sand is no longer a viable option.

    It is NOT the press's job to promote change; this is a fallicy of the late 20th century. Their job is to report the FACTS, and whatever falls out is the correct action for the public to take. Sometimes the best course is the one you're currently on.

    Besides, if you want critical questioning of the current government, turn your ear to NPR, CSPAN, CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC... If you think they are "whipped" into the party line, you obviously are not taking an objective view of the sitation... Curiously, all of these agencies were silent during the last presidency, when most of todays geo-political problems were taking root.

  78. Re:Think so? by symbolic · · Score: 1

    I don't see the problem here for law abiding citizens. I have nothing to hide. I follow the law. It would protect me in the long run if ever I did get accused of something I didn't do.

    The problem is that once the information is collected, there's no telling what it's being used for, or by whom. You have completely lost control.

    A case in point: A national nightly news program last week outlined a situation where a woman had her car insurance cancelled. The reason? Well, it seems as though the company associated with one of her credit obligations made an error, which resulted in some negative information on her credit report. Her credit score was lowered, and because of this, her auto insurance was cancelled. She was able to eventually clear this up, but now, instead of here original rate, she's paying almost twice as much for the same insurance coverage. Interestingly, none of this has anything to do with her driving history.

    So, if you think all it takes is being a law-abiding citizen is all it takes (actually, you're not really law-abiding, you're just beyond suspicion), just wait until someone decides, based on what you've bought or where you've been, that your insurance needs to be cancelled, or that you're not a good enough credit risk, or that you're not quite the "right" candidate for the job. Then tell me you don't see a problem with the collection, and most probably, misuse of personal information.

  79. Grunt needed? Are you sure? by tqft · · Score: 1

    "The amount of number crunching needed to integrate these systems together would be astronomical even for a small island like the UK (unsure of the current population)."

    Take a population of 10G at a 1000 tpd each transaction 1kB ==> 10^15B - 1 PB/day ==>365 PB/y

    1kB does not seem like a lot but all it needs to be is a link to the store where the data is kept (2^1000 should cover foreseeable address space needs).

    Your life history is 36.5GB.

    Compare CERN LHC:
    otn.oracle.com/products/oracle9i/ grid_computing/CERN_Grid
    "There will be four such experiments. Each experiment will generate one petabyte of data per year" ==> 4 PB/y

    So the technology need to record 1kB about 10billion people assuming 1000 transactions per day (1 transaction every 86.4 seconds), does not exist yet. It falls short by 2 orders of magnitude, assuming diskspace and bandwidth follow CPU performance and improves like Moore's law (dodgy assumption maybe) doubling every 18 months - technology will be buildable at cost of CERN LHC data processing in 10 (2^6.643857=100, 6.643857*1.5=9.9657) years.

    The ArsTechnica story url below indicates that my LHC data processing assumptions may be on the low side (making it more practical to scale to my assumptions above - sooner and/or cheaper).
    http://www.arstechnica.com/archive/news /1055527123 .html

    Worried or not - it may be practical within 10 years to track you for life at a cost within that of a major science project - could you hide it in USD87b? What about as part of the next expedition (against those pesky cyberterrorists we hear so much more about these days)?

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  80. Exactly my point. by Mycroft_514 · · Score: 1

    The Government has not considered anything about the amounts of storage that may be required. The only quibble I have is the 10 year calculation. I see where your numbers are coming from, but the performance curve has some other obsticles that it is running into that your calculations haven't shown.