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Dreambox DM7000: Hackable DVR

An anonymous reader copies-and-pastes "The Dreambox DM7000 from Dream-Multimedia-Tv (DMM) is a $395 Linux-based digital radio and digital TV (DVB) satellite (or cable) receiver with digital video recorder (DVR) functions and PC connectivity. It is implemented using IBM's STB04500 set-top box chipset, which provides the necessary DVB functions like transport stream demultiplexing and MPEG2 decoding inexpensively. A minimalistic, GPL'd Linux-based software implementation has made the DM7000 popular with Linux programmers and TV device hackers."

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  1. Or just use your PC by Brahmastra · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://dvr.sourceforge.net/html/main.html

    1. Re:Or just use your PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      myth tv is better

      www.mythtv.org

    2. Re:Or just use your PC by The+Kiloman · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's also MythTV and Freevo.

      Both are fairly immature, but moderately stable. MythTV in particular is feature-rich, but most of the features don't behave quite right.

      I'd recommend giving them a try, and maybe contributing of any one is interested, but I don't see any OSS replacing the TiVo quite yet.

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    3. Re:Or just use your PC by Mark+Pitman · · Score: 1

      No monthly fee and it really isn't "next to impossible to get it working". I had it up and running with very minimal effort. Just because there are people having problems with it doesn't mean it is the software's fault. Maybe they are just really stupid :)

    4. Re:Or just use your PC by Mikeytsi · · Score: 1

      He forgot step #2, "Buy $299 lifetime subscription".

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    5. Re:Or just use your PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      No, screw the lifetime subscription. It is tied directly to the tivo unit, and it is not transferable. Thats almost 2 years worth of the $13 monthly fee, assuming you don't invest the money (assuming you can get an 8% return, the present value of the annutiy is about 27 months worth of the service).

      So, if sometime in the next 27 months,
      - you decide that you want to upgrade to the latest and greatest, because lets face it, in 27 months your Tivo series 2 is going to be a dinosaur
      - you decide that you don't want to use your tivo at all anymore
      - a power surge fries your tivo
      - the hard drive crashes and your tivo becomes inoperable

      then you didn't get your money's worth from the lifetime subscription.

    6. Re:Or just use your PC by Mikeytsi · · Score: 1

      Your first two points are valid, although you could just ebay the sucker and get some return on investment. Your second two points are utter horseshit though. Tivo specifically states that it follows the machine UNLESS there is a warranty replacement, then it gets moved to the replacement machine. Tivo dies within warranty period, get new Tivo, lifetime goes to new Tivo.

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    7. Re:Or just use your PC by Snarfy · · Score: 1

      I've gotten my money's worth out of the lifetime subscription

    8. Re:Or just use your PC by Snarfy · · Score: 1

      if the hard drive crashes, just buy a new one. the subscription is still valid. it isn't tied to the hard drive.

    9. Re:Or just use your PC by Mikeytsi · · Score: 1

      Warranty period is 1-year. Go read it again, dipshit.

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  2. Woo by rf0 · · Score: 1

    Now I can be super l33t and hax0r my TV and record all the p0rn.

    Rus

    1. Re:Woo by Fembot · · Score: 1

      According to Industry News Nirvana corp has a competing product called the GruntMeiser 7000

  3. Scart-interfaces? by gpinzone · · Score: 1

    The back of the unit looks like it has 2 Scart-interfaces. I guess this is the PAL version? Do they make one with S-Video and/or composite video inputs?

    1. Re:Scart-interfaces? by mocm · · Score: 1

      Those are outputs. Its a DVB box not an analog TV box.

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    2. Re:Scart-interfaces? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      how about you just buy a scart->composite/svideo+l&r-audio converter?

      it's not like they're more than few bucks. and single big connector like scart is is preferable to most consumers.. just one connector to hook up instead of 3.

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    3. Re:Scart-interfaces? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      This is DTV, DVB uses MPEG2 component video thereforing makeing PAL obselete, so you don't need to worry about old analogue formats, a SCART interface outputs composite/s-video/component RGB/YUV along with stereo sound and various switching signals for 16:9 and auto switching.

      I reguarly watch 'NTSC' digital broadcasts without any problems, note that nothing is actually encoded in NTSC or PAL but their legacy scan rates still persist, but my TV is capable of scanning at 60Hz anyway.

    4. Re:Scart-interfaces? by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 1

      You still have to get the video to your display device and in Europe SCARTS are far more useful than a bunch of phono sockets. Especially when the order of decreasing quality is RGB, YUV, Y U+V (S Video), Y+U+V (Composite).

      Europe hasn't bothered with HD television because on most standard broadcasts the gain in quality isn't significant enough. On the other hand having a nice switching system, support for inter equipment comunication and widescreen switching is.

    5. Re:Scart-interfaces? by pe1chl · · Score: 1

      SCART is a 21-pin connector that has all those signals on it. You can make or buy a conversion cable between SCART and S-video, composite video, component video, or whatever you need.

  4. Little correction, partial GPL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dreambox software is partial GPL the kernel modules which drives many devices are closed source and developed by IBM... IBM was the company defending the GPL open way? err...
    What a flash-back

    1. Re:Little correction, partial GPL by The+Kiloman · · Score: 1

      Did you even RTFA? It said that the modules provided by IBM were buggy, so they wrote their own. However, the article does *not* say whether or not they have GPLd their custom drivers. That I'd be interested to know.

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  5. Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by YetAnotherName · · Score: 4, Informative

    Look, it's pretty simple:

    1. Jennifer Garner of Alias has lots of super-cute freckles.

    2. Those super-cute freckles are only visible on the local HDTV broadcast.

    3. This box doesn't do HDTV.

    Luckily, there is an ATSC receiver card that's for Linux only that does do HDTV. And Jennifer Garner. And her super-cute freckles. And yes, it's quite hackable, and source is included.

    'nuff said.

    1. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by mocm · · Score: 1

      Well since it is a DVB box and not an ATSC box they could hardly support HDTV.

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    2. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

      Maybe with the included source you could compress the video or something.

      HD = mad pixels

      Mad pixels = Huge Filesize

      Huge Filesize = ???

      ??? = profit

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    3. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      all I want for Christmas is a girl with no gag reflex...

      Is that for when she first meets you?

    4. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by hoxford · · Score: 1

      For a full rate ATSC stream you need just over 19Mbps. To watch and record different streams at the same time you'd need double that. Add it in once more as a fudge factor and you're still only at 60Mbps. That's less than 8MBps which any disk big enough to be worthwhile using should handle without a problem.

    5. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Well bugger me senseless, here I am in Australia watching 1080i HDTV over DVB-t, either the picture before my eyes is a fiction or you don't have your facts right.

      Btw, HDTV is on satellite DVB in Europe.

    6. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by WatertonMan · · Score: 1
      My wife has freckles, so Jennifer Garner isn't necessary. Further I download all the HDTV feeds of Alias, Smallville, and 24 off USENET. Yeah I wait a day, but it works great. I have a cron task that downloads the episodes I need.

      I do have a question though. Comcast is doing HDTV but I believe all the Linux HDTV cards only support over the air broadcasts. Anyone know if there are any cards that word with cable or dish HDTV broadcasts? (For those HDTV Animal Planet shows)

    7. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by dododge · · Score: 1

      Recording is easy, since you usually record the highly-compressed transport stream right off the air and don't bother with any MPEG decompression. As mentioned it's about 19Mbit/sec for over-the-air stations, so figure 8-10Gbyte/hour.

      I think on CATV it can run at 38Mbit/sec, but I don't know if there are any cable providers actually doing that, or cards that can capture it.

      Now, bear in mind that 19Mbit is the entire channel, and broadcasters sometimes multiplex multiple programs into a single channel. For example the local PBS station runs four standard definition subchannels during the day, then at prime time switches to one SD and one HD. So if you know which subchannel(s) you really want, you could in theory filter the transport stream before storing it (and therefore use less disk space by not storing "Barney" while recording "Nova"). This sort of filtering again requires no MPEG decompression, and should be possible without much CPU power.

      I've been doing captures without difficulty on a K7-800 to a 7200RPM Firewire drive, while doing other things on the machine.

      Playback however is an entirely different matter. For that I've been using an XP2400 with GeForceFX 5200 and it's still not completely smooth. Newer Nvidia drivers, or a card with better XvMC support (GeForce4 MX is supposedly very good), might help that.

      Moving the compressed transport stream around is easy. Actually decompressing it to a viewable image is a huge workload. There's a new set-top box called the Roku which supposedly has full HDTV hardware decompression, a network port, and runs Linux internally. Several people have asked the company about the ability to use it as an outboard MPEG player, but apparently the initial software isn't designed to do that (or at least to make it easy :-)

    8. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by mocm · · Score: 1

      It is only experimental, there is no standard yet.
      At the moment there are test transmissions using MPEG2 and a windows codec. There is no hardware decoder available in Europe, not as PCI card or STB.
      The only thing you can do is decode it by software on your PC, if it is fast enough. The dreambox is rather old hardware (almost 2 years old) so unless they update it there won't be HDTV on this box.
      I guess you could stream HDTV from the dreambox to a PC though.

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    9. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by -tji · · Score: 1

      > Further I download all the HDTV feeds of Alias, Smallville, and 24 off USENET. Yeah I wait a day, but it works great. I have a cron task that downloads the episodes I need.

      I assume this is a joke.. 8GB/hr HDTV data streams, uuencoded then fragmented onto usenet. Yeah, that must work great. A $30 UHF antenna and an HDTV PCI card does the job for me.

      > Anyone know if there are any cards that word with cable or dish HDTV broadcasts?

      There is a community closed source project that is enhancing the Windows software for the AccessHDTV card. They have a beta version that supports cable QAM encoding.

      DVICO's FusionHDTV III (Windows only) will be released soon. It is reported to support QAM.

      Both of those cards will only be able to support unencrypted channels. The premium channels, like HBO-HD and Showtime-HD, are encrypted.

      There are no cards that support US satellite services - the content security they use prevents this.

      By the way - there is no HDTV Animal Planet channel.. There is a Discovery-HD, but their selection is rather limited right now.

    10. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 1

      There is no hardware decoder available in Europe, not as PCI card or STB.

      That's what you think ;-)

    11. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by mocm · · Score: 1

      >That's what you think ;-)

      Then tell me where I can buy one. Developement boxes
      don't count, those are not available to the public and you won't find any until there is a standard and regukar programming.

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    12. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1
      I just imagine using Jennifer Garner's ears as "handles"...

      I find it's easier to carry her using the supplied holes in the lower torso.

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    13. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by WatertonMan · · Score: 1

      No joke. Check out newsgroups like alt.binaries.smallville, alt.binaries.multimedia.smallville, alt.binaries.multimedia.alias etc. If you use the newsgrab perl script as a cron job then there really is no hassle. I just check my directory the following day and there is the MPEG of the HDTV feed. (Typically only 1 GB with commercials removed and remember that the stations don't broadcast in anywhere near the highest HDTV resolution)

    14. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by ameoba · · Score: 1

      I always forget if it's "two in the pink & one in the stink) or the other way 'round...

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    15. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by ameoba · · Score: 1

      Even better, we have beer. It makes the ugly people cute.

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    16. Re:Still doesn't support HDTV *sigh* by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 1

      The question is why do you want HDTV? It's big in the US because it's such an improvement over NTSC. PAL (via RGB) is that much closer that it's not worth the effort.

  6. Death to TiVo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Another nail in the coffin of TiVo and their fucked business model. Even if this box doesn't offer all the functionality, it's just the tip of the iceberg of the no service fee required PVRs that are on the way out.

    1. Re:Death to TiVo by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it boggles the mind that they can sell you a box AND charge you to use it even though it costs them nothing when you use it.

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    2. Re:Death to TiVo by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Why no free/easy way to download TV listings?

      Who would it hurt to let you just download the listings without a ton of horseshit, like TV guide provides a stream and specs to retrieve 'em. Use them in your homebrewed PVR, on your PDA, or whatever.

      That annoys me to no end.

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    3. Re:Death to TiVo by smackjer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, you can use a Tivo without paying the monthly (or lifetime) fee. You don't get the program guides, season pass functionality, and suggestions, but it works as well as a VCR when you schedule to record at a date/time/duration (without tapes), and still lets you pause and replay live TV.

      The monthly/lifetime fee gets you the premium services, which are all based on having the program guide available. Well worth the cost, IMO.

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    4. Re:Death to TiVo by sl0ppy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      even though it costs them nothing when you use it

      how does it cost them nothing? let's break it down:

      o guide information has to come from somewhere. in tivo's case, they outsource

      o bandwidth for guide information needs to come from somewhere, also outsourced

      o upgrades, bug fixes, and new versions of the OS need to come from somewhere. things still cost money

      it's obvious that it costs them nothing to me, how about you?

    5. Re:Death to TiVo by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

      I see... I don't own a TiVo and mistakenly assumed that the functionality of the box was limited to recording programs and "pausing" live TV. Thanks for the info!

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    6. Re:Death to TiVo by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      you can use a Tivo without paying the monthly (or lifetime) fee.

      Really? I asked them about that, as I live outside of the Tivo service area, and they told me it wouldn't work.

    7. Re:Death to TiVo by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Actually, you can use a Tivo without paying the monthly (or lifetime) fee.

      I've heard this a lot on /.

      Half the people say it's true, the other half say it's false... I won't believe it until someone posts a link to a difinitive source (like tivo.com) which say, without a doubt, it is true.
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    8. Re:Death to TiVo by crt · · Score: 3, Informative

      The answer is "both". It used to work fine without the subscription, and that was allowed under the EULA for the software on the device.
      However, at some point (around 2.3?) they changed the EULA and stated that a subscription was required to use it - at all.

      They grandfathered in everyone who purchased before that date, so you can still buy a used TIVO that works without the subscription, but new ones technically require one. There may be a way to work around it on the new ones, but it's not going to be supported by TIVO.

      All that being said... get the subscription. It's worth it for all the time it saves and the number of times it "catches" changes that you would miss if you had to do it all manually. If you can't stand monthly, get the lifetime and pretend the device is more expensive.

    9. Re:Death to TiVo by evilviper · · Score: 1
      get the lifetime and pretend the device is more expensive.

      No thinks, I'll stick with my PC. Straight to MPEG4/Divx, easy to edit commercials out, uses any remote I wish, burns CDs at will, etc. Probably costs less than the lowest-end model Tivo, with no subscription, no limitations on what I can do with it, nothing happening behind my back, no chance it will stop working if Tivo goes out of business, no tying up my phone-line, etc.

      Right now I am putting in the times/dates myself, but I'm looking into webvcr, which should take care of that part.

      Yes, before anyone asks, I did spend several hours (over the course of a couple weeks) initially setting it up (from first Gentoo install, to fully functional) but now it's practically maintenance free, and far better than a Tivo.
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  7. Clickable link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://dvr.sourceforge.net/html/main.html

    Please use the A tag, Linux's copy and paste mechanism SUCKS, and its a PAIN IN THE ANUS to copy and paste URLs that havnen't been hyperlinked.

    1. Re:Clickable link by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      It's easier on Linux than on any other OS. Just highlight it, open a new browser tab (to let it load in the background while you read the rest of the comments), and click the middle mouse button.

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    2. Re:Clickable link by Snarfy · · Score: 1

      and that, somehow, is related to the OS?

  8. Who said Slashdot is too... by Atario · · Score: 1

    US-centric?

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  9. Where to buy one in the U.S.? by caferace · · Score: 1
    No where I can see, so far. Their U.S. distribution is handled out of South Africa?

    Does sound like a great box to play with though...

    1. Re:Where to buy one in the U.S.? by -tji · · Score: 1

      DVB is a European standard.. This will not work with the US satellite services.

  10. Hackable by smoyer · · Score: 3, Informative
    I work with Scientific Atlanta and Motorola set-tops every day and can tell you that there are serious limitations to the hackability of any unit like this.

    Each vendor has their own proprietary encryption format (for the content) and will only work with QPSK and QAM headend equipment that they manufacture. There is very little unencrypted content on CATV networks as digital service is generally an extra charge service. You also need to be provisioned in their billing system.

    I suspect that the hackability of this unit stops at controlling the behavior of the device. I would be very surprised if anyone managed to receive free pay services the way those who built sync inverters, tone strippers, etc to receive free analog pay channels.

    Please let me know if anyone has success!

    1. Re:Hackable by tzanger · · Score: 2, Informative

      Each vendor has their own proprietary encryption format (for the content) and will only work with QPSK and QAM headend equipment that they manufacture.

      I thought that's what the CAM was for? I am probably being overly naive about the whole procedure but I had throught that the system provided the CAM with the questions, the CAM responded with the answers (typical ZK tests) and if the answer was correct the signal came through. I know that the CAMs are relatively low-speed devices (if you pull the CAM out of your receiver you get a few seconds of video before it konks out) so they're not acutally decrypting the stream ... but jeez... You'd figure they'd have learned by now. Ugh.

      No chance this thing has Nagravision capability, is there?

    2. Re:Hackable by smoyer · · Score: 1
      Yes, I know it's tacky to respond to your own post. First, I don't work for a cable company, I just have business ties, so please don't kill me because I can talk about the technology.

      I didn't say that you couldn't hack the unit ala videocipher for SAT broadcasts. I said I'd be surprised if you could receive on most cable networks. It WOULD be wonderful if the card reader could provide you the necessary keys to decrypt the signal. The cable industry itself desparately wants an open standards based set-top. They're currently locked into SA, GI (now Motorola) and anyone who has licensed technology from the big two.

      I don't tend to think that the cable companies will be going out-of-business, but they'd better wise up! If they play their cards correctly, they should win the telecom war. Their HFC (Hybrid Fiber/Coax) plants have far more available bandwidth than the phone companies copper loop and whether wireless can compete remains to be seen. Satellite is a good ONE-WAY technology, but won't be able to provide the Video-On-Demand (VOD) and even fancier interactive services. Want a look at the future, check out Time-Warner's MaestroTV.

  11. Did they like read minds or something? by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 2, Funny

    This sounds like the absolute Slashbot's dream. I can just see the engineers who designed this lurking on an Ask Slashdot forum on "What should the ideal set top box be capable of?"and writing down the system features list from user comments.

    * It should run Linux, of course.
    * It has to connect to my PC so I can write all those recorded movies to DVD-R.
    * Oh yeah, and a satellite or cable decoder, so I can HAX0RS it and "share" free movies and stuff.
    * And I'm sure the hard drive won't be big enough, so I should be able to put in a much bigger drive.

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  12. Can I connect it to my Mac? by burgburgburg · · Score: 1

    If so, what sort of a connection would be available?

    1. Re:Can I connect it to my Mac? by martinj42 · · Score: 1

      Just use the 10/100 Ethernet port. Not being a Mac user I don't know of any Dreambox apps for Mac, but the web and samba server interfaces will still work. And if you have an NFS server running on your Mac, you can use that instead of buying a hard disk for the Dreambox - that avoids the noise of hard drive bearings in your living room.

  13. Wait a minute.. by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 1

    . It can store video on an internal hard drive (not included),

    $400 without a harddrive!? Can't you build a small AMD PC for the same price, with a 80GB hard drive?

    1. Re:Wait a minute.. by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      An 80GB hard drive can be had for $71, shipped. An HDTV tuner card runs $200-$300. Which is cheaper?

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    2. Re:Wait a minute.. by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      An 80GB hard drive can be had for $71, shipped. An HDTV tuner card runs $200-$300. Which is cheaper?

      Irrelavant, as "HDTV" is nowhere to be found in that article. Therefore I assume it doesn't support it. I can configure a PC with a standard TV tuner and MythTV for about the same price. Granted, I don't get a remote, but I get a lot more functionality.

      I can appreciate the "proof of concept" of these packaged Linux DVR boxes, but the manufacturers are not offering anything "above and beyond" for the relatively high price tags.

    3. Re:Wait a minute.. by ibbey · · Score: 1

      You're right, this isn't HDTV. However it is DVB, AKA Digital Cable, though it's vague on what Cable providers it supports. There are few, if any, decoder cards that can be had for a standard PC that do digital cable. If you can find one at all, I doubt it can be had for less then $200

    4. Re:Wait a minute.. by JamesP · · Score: 2, Funny

      It can store video on an internal hard drive (not included),

      But thats like saying (car ad): It can go places with an internal motor (not included)

      I mean, I can always get inside and listen to the radio, but...

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  14. Features by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1
    So what can this do? I didn't see pictures of the interface. Is it like mythtv? Can this browse pictures, play music, play movies from the hard drive? Or does it only perform dvr functionality? I really wish they would get one of these with a dvd player in it. Is it that you can't buy a license for the dvd decoding algorithm if you plan on using it on linux?

    Anyway, it seems interesting. I'd be interested if I was more sure of it's capability. I keep seeing things come out that do a few things here and there. They're a pvr or they can play multiple media types, or they are software and you have to build the hardware, but I still haven't seen something that is built on linux so can be improved and upgraded, functions as a PVR, plays movies from the hard disk, plays DVDs, can do surround sound and hdtv, can play music and sort it in multiple ways, can generate, save, and play music off of playlists, can be used to store, catalog, and show pictures. Plays well with windows and linux computers on the network and is a single package, (no do-it-yourself. You can just plug it in and start using.) I think the first person to come up with such a device at a reasonable price, (say 650ish) is going to get really popular really quick. Get the early adopters, start to whittle away at the price, and finally there is something new that every home theater needs.

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  15. I know just what's going to happen to this... by TyrranzzX · · Score: 1

    "Your DVD player is readily and easily modifyable to illegally recieve our signal, decrypt it, and use it as a replacement for our and other recievers. Your buisness is illegal, we'll sue.".

    The cards are on the table, lets see if they bluff or if they throw down their hand.

  16. Sharing decoder-cards by hhg · · Score: 1

    The Dreambox can also quite easily be fittet with software that lets a user share his decoder-smartcards over the internet (600000 users can share one card simultaniously). The Dreambox is a fuly user-customisable decoder, with few/nonexistant restrictions of what you can implement.

  17. Re:NO YOU CANT! by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 1


    Case..... $100
    AMD Processor $100
    Motherboard $100
    512 MB ram $100
    80Gb hard drive $150
    Linux Distro $50 (or $50 in bandwidth bills if you want to apt-get shit)

    Total : $600! Conclusion! SHUT UP NERD!


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    Case & 350W PS $50
    AMD Processor $70
    Motherboard $60
    256MB ram $40
    80GB HD $80
    Linux CD $8

    Total: $308
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    Now add a TV tuner for ~$50, NIC for $10, and mouse/KB for $15 and you have a complete PC that you can use for DVR, email, browsing, writing, music, etc for the same price as this box.

  18. But they COULD embrace it. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    I know just what's going to happen to this...

    "Your DVD player is readily and easily modifyable to illegally recieve our signal, decrypt it, and use it as a replacement for our and other recievers. Your buisness is illegal, we'll sue."


    Alternatively they could embrace it - by licensing a manufacturer to make a closed (and sealed) plugin to hold a smartcard (or whatever), manage authorization messages from the downlink, and decrypt the signal.

    This would be an especially good move for Dish Network (which doesn't have the bad blood from DirecTV's attack on purchasers of smartcard programming devices). Make this available and any Linux users still on DirecTV would likely switch - either immediately or as soon as their minimum committment with DTV expired - and DTV can whistle trying to get 'em back. B-)

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  19. Or, hack your TiVo - A challenge is more fun.. by jkeegan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This looks like it has potential, but it still comes with a huge downside - the device isn't a TiVo.

    There's a reason that TiVo is the most popular. The user interface is a pleasure to use. A lot of the fun of hacking your TiVo is that you're making that cool box better..

    Plus, there's something unexplainably more-fun-than-it-should-be about modifying a device that wasn't designed for it..

    If you want to play around with this but still want to be able to enjoy a great DVR, consider buying a TiVo to hack instead (or hacking the TiVo you already have).

    Might I also humbly sugest picking up a copy of the book Hacking TiVo , which ships next week. (In all fairness, I am the author, so I might have a bit of a bias). You can also go to the web on your own to find everything, but this acts as a nice guide from your initial tinkering through to the development of your own hacks.

    Hacking this device instead could definitely be interesting - it's just sad that you'd be stuck using it if it was your only DVR.

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    1. Re:Or, hack your TiVo - A challenge is more fun.. by jkeegan · · Score: 1

      (Correction, I mistook which device this was, so disregard the part about the lack of challenge of hacking it.)

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    2. Re:Or, hack your TiVo - A challenge is more fun.. by jerkychew · · Score: 1

      Heh... glad to see you got the cover changed... no more CD-ROM drive... ;-p

    3. Re:Or, hack your TiVo - A challenge is more fun.. by jkeegan · · Score: 1

      Yep. :) As I posted on tivocommunity.com, when my editor sent me the first draft of the cover he had to warn me "The first thing you're going to notice is that it ISN'T A TIVO ON THE COVER", like he was talking down a wild gunman on a clock tower over a megaphone. :)

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  20. Phone time costs by DonGar · · Score: 1

    And the majority of cost is for phone time not for the data that is downloads (ignoring the cost of software upgrades).

    If everyone used home network connections to dial in, the monthly fee could drop by quite a bit. That's why some of the other boxes out there (some versions of Replay) required a broadband connection to function.

    It's AMAZING how much it costs to provide a local dial in number throughout most of the US.

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  21. Re:Hackable? by Aronak1 · · Score: 1

    People with sufficient electronic knowledge have been known to keep track of a given "scene" - this one being that of the obvious. Their time may be considered that time which one would dedicate to any hobby or perhaps in some cases it is professional time which their employer allows them. To pay or not to pay? To me that's rather a foolish question. If THEFT of services is not an issue then why should I pay? Who puts out the information? Every component within a device is normally spec'd somewhere by it's manufacturer. As I said - it usually takes a pretty smart electronics type (of which I am not) to really dig into this type of thing. But once that hard part is done, the word gets out and blam - it might even show up here on /. right!

    OR:

    This entire article is a direct violation of the DMCA and you are a party to it by simply having read the article. I would be extremely paranoid if I were you particularly because you left a comment, and your IP number has been permanently stored. The "authorities"TM will be asking for your identification soon.

  22. Re:Is this a drop in replacement for my JVC by DonGar · · Score: 1

    Only if you live in Europe. Unlike the US, they have standards for receiver boxes, so people can make generic boxes for any service.

    Dish and DirecTV have proprietary delivery mechanisms and lock out all receiver equipment that they haven't agreed too. And they exert that control in great detail.

    Of course, that makes it easier for their tech support people....

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  23. USB what? by JediTrainer · · Score: 1

    From http://www.dream-multimedia-tv.de/Bereiche/Produkt e/DM7000_featurelist.php

    USB:
    USB 1.2 connector

    Uh... I've never heard of USB 1.2. Can someone shed some light on this mysterious standard? Also, is it full speed, high speed, ultra-high speed or l33t speed?

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  24. Work with DISH networks by WatertonMan · · Score: 1
    The writeup was a little short on details. Does this work with Dish network accounts? i.e. does it store the MPEG feed of Dish without the D->A->D mess and loss? Exactly how well does it integrate into say Comcast digital cable?

    I was intrigued but wanting more information.

    Also, I notice Comcast is finally doing HDTV feeds. How do HDTV cards handle that? I assume they don't include software/controls for handling channel switching easily. (I recognize that the box that is the topic of this article doesn't support HDTV)

    1. Re:Work with DISH networks by psyconaut · · Score: 1

      It's built for the European market. European satellites, and European TVs (it has SCART sockets). Oh, and it's PAL only....no NTSC here.

      -psy

    2. Re:Work with DISH networks by pe1chl · · Score: 1

      The latest firmware does NTSC.

    3. Re:Work with DISH networks by psyconaut · · Score: 1

      The latest firmware might well do NTSC, but you still gotta contend with SCART connectors and European-centric features! :-p

      -psy

    4. Re:Work with DISH networks by pe1chl · · Score: 1

      Recently I have been looking for an A/V amplifier to be used as a home theatre system (combined with a screen, speakers, DVD player, DM7000 etc).

      Unfortunately there are not many that offer SCART connectors. IMHO they are the best solution. Who wants to use those flimsy RCA connectors or even worse: S-video? I want many RGB video connections.

      It seems the US video world has invented something incompatible with the industry standard RGB: component video. Probably to force the customer to buy new stuff. The DM7000 can output YPrPb but why was this invented instead of RGB that everyone already used?

      Even then, an A/V amplifier has at best two component video inputs and one such output. And often it only switches the input (component, S-video or baseband video) to the same type of output. Of course what you would want is to have different types of input and only a single (RGB or component video) output to send to the screen.

      Why is A/V equipment built in such an impractical way? It would be good if US-oriented manufacturers (I think there are no US manufacturers, all this stuff comes from the far east) look at SCART and desirable operating characteristics of their equipment. I (and I presume other customers) want to just plug in the cables and have perfect quality picture, without having to fight with 30 RCA plugs and live with funny limitations in the equipment.

  25. Has a few limitations... by evilviper · · Score: 1

    The one thing I found unfortuanate, is that it looks like it only accomodates a 2.5" hard drive.

    While they work fine for notebooks, they do not have the capacity of 3.5" HDDs, nor the speed, nor the durability you want in something that is going to be spinning constantly for long periods of time. Even though I appreciate the power savings, I wouldn't use 2.5" in anything unless it's meant to be mobile, and that's obviously not the case with this thing.

    Not that it matters too much to me. I'm here in NTSC-land, so I'm not even a potential customer for the DVB device.

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  26. Hackable, or Hackworthy by Markus+Registrada · · Score: 1
    Anything is hackable. Some things just aren't worth the trouble. The useful distinction is whether it rewards hacktivity with deep and abiding satisfaction.

    For the majority of readers who are not hackish, that means that having hacked it, you can make it do cool stuff that the original designers not only didn't think of, but never would have in a million years. It's even better if the next regular release does that stuff too.

  27. earth to ummm.... by iamhassi · · Score: 1
    hate to say this, but Linux is only "cool" when it's cheaper than the dominant player. A $400 Linux DVR that doesn't even include a hard drive isn't "cool" anymore than if the Linux OS cost double what a competing Windows OS costs and if Linux software cost $$$.

    I'll be flamed for saying this, but I hope this $400 Linux DVR goes no where... except down in price. Call me when it hits $199.

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  28. What is the difference.... by acidrain69 · · Score: 1

    between a PVR and a DVR?

    I think too many acronyms are being thrown around here.

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  29. Re:Hackable? by LnxAddct · · Score: 1

    Your new to Slashdot aren't you? This is news for nerds! And its stuff that matters, what matters more to nerds then how to hack a new DVR?

  30. Re:obligatory, but shoot me now.. by freeze128 · · Score: 1
    Yes, but can it run windows?
    Of course not. It's using hardware developed by IBM..... It runs OS/2.
  31. Re:Death to TiVo (no way, Jose) by Yokito · · Score: 1

    Nowadays you'd have to buy a TiVo clone from - lets say Toshiba - a sytem thats upgradable to full TiVo service. Those come without the monthly fee.

  32. Tivo basic by tgibbs · · Score: 1

    There are now also DVD video recorders that offer free "Tivo Basic" service. This includes 3 days of program info, TV pause, timer recording, but lacks some of the fancier features like season passes and wish lists.

  33. Couldn't find anything about program guides... by MadCow42 · · Score: 1

    ANyone know if it has access to program guides? Does it take it from the digital cable stream? Does it need a subscription? Or, is it just "dumb" like a VCR?

    How about Tivo features like "record all Star Trek Enterprise" shows...?

    I'd love one... if it has these features!

    MadCow

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    1. Re:Couldn't find anything about program guides... by pe1chl · · Score: 1

      It is not at all a DVR, it is a satellite (DVB-S) receiver with recording functionality.
      It cannot record anything from external sources.

      It has access to program guides transmitted in DVB, but most program guides cover only the current/next program and sometimes a couple of days. When there is a program guide, it can record an item from it. But only when you can select the item at the time you program the recording (there is no "record all items that have star trek in the title" function. of course you can add it!)

      There is a flexible recurring recording programming system (record on selected days of the week at a specified time) but it does not use the EPG.

  34. Re:Death to TiVo (no way, Jose) by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
    Nowadays you'd have to buy a TiVo clone from - lets say Toshiba

    Thanks. I didn't know there were any.

  35. Hackable != Stealing. by torpor · · Score: 1

    I can think of plenty of good hacks for this thing that don't involve content-ripoff.

    Just think: A SHAREWARE/OSS Market for Television. i.e., apps start springing up that are designed specifically to help you manage your television viewing experience.

    I'd like to write an app which strips the laugh-track, for instance. Does this thing have the DSP for it?

    Why? Because when you strip the laugh track, you can peer directly into the propaganda and social agenda of most modern television shows without being distracted by 'hilarity'... and when you do that, you start to see television in a very, very different way.

    I'd like to write that app, for sure. Could this thing do it, maybe not, but the point is - not all hacks are designed to 'pilfer' content...

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  36. No limits at all by Zloopy · · Score: 1
    I own a DM7000s, and out of the box it does not support anything else than free-to-air channels (no encryption).

    But hackers are releaseing their own versions, which support almost all types of subscription cards (via2, seca2, irdeto, crypto, conax etc.) in the built in card slots.

    The scrambling systems are also completely hacked, so there is a software cam and software card in the firmware, and you can receive all hacked channels for free (need no CAM, no card). If you don't have management keys, just go to the internet key update menu, and update the keys in 2 seconds and continue to watch.

    Ohh, and there is also a feature where you can share your subscription card over LAN or WAN with a couple of friends.

  37. Where's the dual tuners? by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1

    This with any 'hackbox' seems to be missing the ability to do the same thing a $49 box can do:

    Record two shows at once, while playing back a 3rd from it's HDD.

    I know people want to "hack a PVR"*** but really, when the most basic of features are missing, it's not really worth all the fuss. Especially not worth the money they are charging.

    Yeah, it runs Linux. I've got several PC's doing that now, and they do what I need them to do. I've also got a UTV PVR that does more than these over-priced things will ever do due to the dual tuners and native support for DTV compression.

    You can get an Xbox to play games on (even tetris). A PC to run Linux on (tetris runs well on this, too!). Your best bet is to get a PVR with the right credentials to make the most of your home theater.

    I say this because I have a friend who's got a buddy with a 1st generation Tivo. All I ever hear is "he runs Linux on it, he can access the files over the network and view/archive them on his PC, etc" -- What good does all this do when the Simpsons are coming on but you feel like watching Dragonball Z? With a single tuner you are giving up one of them.. Anyway, who wants to archive TV anyway? It'll all be reruns you'll never watch soon enough anyway. I can't imagine anyone wanting to watch the same TV show more than one or two times, ever. I always thought it was funny when people would record programs on VHS, then have them around taking up space for the next 10 years and never watch them again. Same goes with this, except you are wasting DVDR/CDR media and hard drive space.

    For the price of this thing w/ a 60 gig hard drive, you could buy a good dual tuner system, an Xbox + mod chip, and still have money left over to donate to your favorite Open Source project.

    *** - It's no longer hacking your PVR when installing a HDD amounts to about the same effort as installing in a PC.