More on the Versalaser

AHA! by wizarddc · 2003-10-23 08:14 · Score: 4, Funny

So this is a self admitted repost, huh?! You doubly lazy slashdot editors.

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What, no pictures????? by numbski · 2003-10-23 08:15 · Score: 2

I'm heartbroken here.

You go getting my hopes up like, and then you don't even show me some pictures????

*faints*

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Glass laser printers by Trillan · 2003-10-23 08:16 · Score: 4, Interesting

Far cooler are glass (or is it crystal?) laser printers. I haven't seen them, but a coworker was telling me about seeing them at a big mall somewhere in Sacremento. You get modeled by a scan, then it curs your image into a block of glass -- in 3d.

Re:Glass laser printers by Cyclopedian · 2003-10-23 08:22 · Score: 2, Interesting

I saw one at Pier 39 in San Francisco last year. I had my face modeled as well.
The face is lasered in 3d inside the crystal. Very Cool.
Here's the company involved.
The store's name was Crystalix.
-Cyc

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Re:Glass laser printers by bravehamster · 2003-10-23 08:37 · Score: 4, Informative

I bought something from one of these in Plano, Texas. (My mom just graduated from law school, and I bought her the scales of justice inside a crystal block.) Very, very cool to watch it done. From the way the guy running it explained it, it works by using two lasers. When the two lasers intersect, it gets hot enough to create a small fracture in the crystal at the exact point of intersection. From there it's pretty easy to see how it gets done, although the fractures do have to be done in a certain order, otherwise the previous fractures will difract the lasers.

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Tattoos anyone? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-10-23 08:17 · Score: 2, Funny

This could quite possibly be the most painful way to get that tattoo you have always wanted. Comes with free prescription of percacet.

Re:Surely by Nutt · 2003-10-23 08:17 · Score: 3, Insightful

Most likely it's because this tool would be able to make precise cuts at a very narrow diameter. From working with wood I know it's hard to get a perfect line 1/16" thick in a piece of wood. Same with stone I'm assuming. There's only so small you can go with mechanical tools. It also doesn't require cad/cam experience so people like landscape companies could etch their name into paving stones or things like that.

It had to be said... by Cyclopedian · 2003-10-23 08:18 · Score: 4, Funny

I want sharks with fricken Veralaser printers on their heads!!

Throw me a bone here, people!

-Cyc

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Re:It had to be said... by Anonymous Coward · 2003-10-23 08:20 · Score: 2, Insightful

Every time you're thinking "it has to be said," keep in mind that it probably already has been.
Re:It had to be said... by Anonymous Coward · 2003-10-23 09:02 · Score: 3, Informative

Here is a guide to getting +5 funny on slashdot stories. The humour of the slashdot crowd is pretty sophisticated but with this guide you should just be able to stay in touch.

1. The phrase 'I want sharks with fricken [insert story related term] on their heads', will never become unfunny no matter how many times it is used. Although the original reference involves lasers, the quote can be adapted for other stories with no loss of humour value. See 'I want sharks with fickin DVD drives on their head'. Absolutely hilarious.

2. Make references to slashdotters porn collections. Pretty much any article involving mass storage can be enlivened with the phrase 'but that still won't hold my pr0n collection!'. Always use the word pr0n or it won't be funny.

3. If the story is about cars then you can write something along the lines of 'its a good job they don't run windows or they would crash a lot'. Although this might seem quite unfunny at first, it works because you are using the word crash in two different contexts. You can expand the theme to stories about medicine with 'I hope that's not made by microsoft or the patients will catch lots of viruses!'.

4.On stories about the RIAA and file sharing there are often a lot of funny posts which seem to be misclasified and get modded up as 'insightful' or 'informative'. Stuff like 'I've downloaded a lot of music off kazaa but then I just had to rush out and buy the CD's!' or 'The reason I download music is not because I like getting stuff for free but because I'm taking a moral stance against the tyranny of the RIAA!'. This must be a bug in the slashcode.

Just don't share it. by nairnr · 2003-10-23 08:18 · Score: 5, Funny

Please for the love of god, don't set this up as a windows share. It is bad enough that we have people accidently printing email on our HP5000 4' plotters. No, you can print your email on wood!.

I suspect God may have had one of these for the tablets for Moses...

Re:Just don't share it. by MR.Gates · 2003-10-23 08:32 · Score: 5, Funny

I accidently printed a win98 test page on a rather large HP plotter when I worked for FMC. Needless to say I am now the proud owner of a win98 poster size test page, D'OH!

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Re:Just don't share it. by Dr+Caleb · 2003-10-23 08:46 · Score: 2, Funny

There is just nothing like seeing a 4' by 5' Word Document with "CONFIDENTIAL" watermarked right across it...

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Re:Just don't share it. by David+Gould · 2003-10-23 09:03 · Score: 2, Funny

Oh, is that all?

From the lead-in to your post, I thought you were worried that you'd be walking by the laser, minding your own business, and it would suddenly start up and vaporize you, and download you to the Game Grid, or something.

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Re:Just don't share it. by Mr+Smidge · 2003-10-23 10:31 · Score: 2, Funny

Just wait until your security is compromised and they start printing out wooden pr0n..
Re:Just don't share it. by _Bucktooth_ · 2003-10-23 14:31 · Score: 2, Funny

You lucky so and so...I only ended up with a poster size sheet of blank paper with a letter-sized win98 test page in one corner!

Someone had to try it... by keep_it_simple_stupi · 2003-10-23 08:18 · Score: 4, Funny

"Customers have also come up with some notably bad ideas, including engraving plastic butane lighters."

You know, it's amazing we've lasted this long.

Re:Someone had to try it... by evilroot · 2003-10-23 08:28 · Score: 2, Funny

Do I hear a Darwin Award?

Re:Surely by tsanth · 2003-10-23 08:18 · Score: 4, Insightful

I really don't understand why the price is that high either...

It's fairly unique.
It's for a niche market.
Supplies are limited (as in, one supplier makes it).

I'm sure I missed something.

Another use... by tomzyk · 2003-10-23 08:18 · Score: 4, Funny

Have your own tattoo parlor, right on your computer desktop!

(Caution: be sure to have plenty of gauze and ice, a phone, and be in a place where the EMTs can find you easily...)

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Re:Another use... by John+M+Ford · 2003-10-23 08:49 · Score: 4, Interesting

I used to work with an 25W Epilog CO2 laser. While watching a coworker, I saw him place a plastic part to be cut in the machine. What I did not see was that the part was placed incorrectly. He then closed the lid and pressed the start button. When he realized the part was incorrectly placed, he opened the lid and reached to save the part without hitting stop. Usually this would not be a problem. Unfortunately for him, he had bypassed the safety switch early that day and had not reset it. It burned a nice little line all the way down and through his index fingernail and into the cuticle before he realized his error.

While I have no doubt that it is possible to mark skin in decorative ways with this machine, I can assure you that it is not a painless process. :-)

John

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Mac not? nooooo! by ben_of_copenhagen · 2003-10-23 08:18 · Score: 3, Funny

They have to fix a mac driver for this. With xmas coming up, i could really annoy all my friends by making them nasty wooden door signs written in Gill Sans Ultra Bold.

Re:Surely by vpetersen · 2003-10-23 08:19 · Score: 4, Insightful

What if you wanted to cut / print on two hundred stones plates (or tiles, glass sheets etc) and in larger volumes than a person can write, thousands a day, for several years? Surely, it's not worth $10,000 if you need just one printed item.

I guess it's the same reason we use regular printers and digital storage and not 16th century monks manually re-writing bibles, one book a year.

Unless I'm missing your point?

A Windows-only peripheral that literally smokes!? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-10-23 08:21 · Score: 5, Funny

I think I'd like to have one ... but not with my son in the house - he be testing whether it could print on "dog".

view the thing by seriv · 2003-10-23 08:22 · Score: 3, Informative

you can see a picture of it here, the link provided above. And a techTV spot of it.
-Seriv

Re:view the thing by seriv · 2003-10-23 08:25 · Score: 5, Informative

or view images of what it can do Here.
-Seriv

Re:Surely by Kenja · 2003-10-23 08:22 · Score: 2, Funny

Yea, you could keep this person in your closet and drag them out when ever you need to engrave somthing. I've allways wanted a gimp, and and engraving gimp would be at LEAST twice as used as the older models.

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Hurry for Moore's Law by tessaiga · 2003-10-23 08:23 · Score: 2, Funny

The built-in 25W laser is powerful enough to burn quickly through paper and cardboard without leaving so much as a charred edge. It can cut through wood 1/4 inch thick or more. The thin beam barely discolors the edges of the top surface but leaves the sides of the cut a rich, dark brown. Acrylic plastics such as Plexiglas cut easily, too. The beam moves with surprising speed for wood and paper but slower and at lower power for plastics, so the heat from the beam can melt the plastic edge and leave a smooth, polished surface.

Give'em another year to improve it, and us budget mad scientists will be able to afford one of these for the next time Halle Berry breaks into our secret ice-covered labs, too.

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DANGER! DANGER! by HungWeiLo · 2003-10-23 08:25 · Score: 4, Funny

Disaster (serves 6)

1 tbsp. of laser that can cut anything
2 qts. of Windows drivers

Mix ingredients gently. Bake for 5 minutes at 400 degrees Fahrenheit. Serve immediately.

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That's it! by appleLaserWriter · 2003-10-23 08:29 · Score: 2, Funny

I'm getting one so I can print my agendas in stone tablets.

Wait!! by jd · 2003-10-23 08:29 · Score: 2, Funny

Check to see if Amazon or SCO have patented writing on stone tablets, before you buy!

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Ice Sculptures by delcielo · 2003-10-23 08:30 · Score: 2, Interesting

That makes me wonder...

Could you send a flat sheet of ice through and get a nice relief sculpture out of it?

Imagine being able to cater ice reliefs of dinner speakers, etc. by simply printing graphics out of photoshop.

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Spoon! by da3dAlus · 2003-10-23 08:34 · Score: 2

Now Chairface Chippendale can finally finish writing his name on the moon!

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Re:Surely by Fred+IV · 2003-10-23 08:35 · Score: 2, Informative

It's actually a lot easier with stone than with wood because you're sandblasting through a rubber stencil. The stencil can be designed from CAD, allowing a great degree of percision.

Agreed, the fancy "printer" is probably a lot easier to work with....but the sandblasting rig is a lot more versatile. Hard to clean off the side of a granite-faced building with a printer.

Re:VersaTattoo by Mysticalfruit · 2003-10-23 08:36 · Score: 3, Funny

The laser lab at WPI (www.wpi.edu) has the best sign on the door.

"Do not look into laser with remaining eye"

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The next generation of these . . . by StefanJ · 2003-10-23 08:40 · Score: 5, Funny

. . . will only cost $1000, and get bundled for free with new systems, but you'll need to buy $300 fusion plasma cartridges for them every few months that are designed to go critical and explode if you try to refill them.

For now, I'll stick with an X-Acto knife and that wood burning kit I got at a garage sale.

Stefan

20 times more power at 3 times the cost by Chris+Y+Taylor · 2003-10-23 08:41 · Score: 3, Insightful

For about $20,000 dollars more you can get a used 1kW industrial laser. It'll be powerful enough to cut 3/8" steel plate if you slow the feed rate down. Of course it takes up more room. And the operating costs will be a tad higher. But, it is just the thing for disposing of unwanted British spies.

http://www.franeklaser.com/usedlasers.htm

Oh God NOOOOO! by DAldredge · 2003-10-23 08:41 · Score: 3, Funny

Who let a member of marketing become a member of /.?

It's so cool to watch.... by SkimpySkeptic · 2003-10-23 08:42 · Score: 2, Informative

I've actually operated one of these before.....I'm not sure it's by the same company, but there's a little fabrication shop about a 5 minute walk from my office that we frequently service their computers for. They use corel draw, and this laser. It's a nifty process to watch, maybe the next time I get over there, I'll set up a video camera and record it....I've seen it make everything..

Magic behind Balsa Machining Service by StefanJ · 2003-10-23 08:47 · Score: 2, Interesting

A Use Case for this thing:

My summer hobby is model rocketry.

I usually build my own. Specifically, I recreate old, old models from the early 1960s:

http://www.io.com/~stefanj/posed_with_hustler.jp g

http://www.io.com/~stefanj/017_14A.JPG (big)

Usually I cut my own fins, and less often turn my own nose cones, but if I'm in a hurry or need exact work there's a great outfit that uses a laser cutter to create these pieces.

You send them a file in an accepted rocketry-CAD format, select a material, and use a spreadsheet to figure out the prices. They can cut cardstock, balsa, thin plywood, and special laminates.

The burning effect is really interesting. The centers of the fins and rings and such are creamy white wood, the edges a dark chocolate brown with an interesting ridged texture.

Stefan

Fabric cutters by sakusha · 2003-10-23 08:55 · Score: 2, Informative

These laser cutters are fairly common in the fashion industry, they've used them for quite a few years. They use them to cut fabric for later assembly. I used to live in a loft right across from a fabric cutter shop, I could watch out my window and into their shop floor and see them at work. They have long tables where they lay out bolts of cloth, about a hundred layers folded over each other, then an arm holding the laser moves over it by computer control and cuts through all the layers. It sort of looks like an old-style pen plotter when it's in motion.
So there is probably a much bigger market for these devices than you'd suspect.

Re:Surely by BJZQ8 · 2003-10-23 08:56 · Score: 2, Interesting

A company I worked for before had one of these...back in the year 2000...but it wasn't a Versalaser, it was another brand. We "printed" from a Mactintosh G3 using Illustrator onto things like Corian and wood...it supposedly did not understand Postscript fonts, but we installed a Postscript driver and simply pointed it at the printer, and the thing worked fine. It was pretty fast, and could burn anything but metals...

Sample Products by MhzJnky · 2003-10-23 09:07 · Score: 3, Informative

Here you can see some sample products made by it.

Think I'll order my up one and start working on filling up the Trophy case.

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They forgot one thing by sig97 · 2003-10-23 09:58 · Score: 2, Funny

Hey, now at last it should be possible to design gravestones using the latest clip art from MS Office! I wonder how long it would take until Clippy start saying stuff like "It looks like you're writing a gravestone..."

Buncha Slashbot Gripers by belloc · 2003-10-23 10:10 · Score: 2, Interesting

Unfortunately, Windows drivers only at this time.

This thing could have been some sort of combination Time Machine/Transmogrifier/Fountain of Youth, but if it only had Windows drivers, we'd have to find a way to bring in the holy war and complain about it.

Slashbots: One. Track. Mind.

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Diamond cutting by j3110 · 2003-10-23 10:18 · Score: 2, Interesting

I wonder what effects things like this has on the jewelry industry. In the next century, there will probably be children's toys that make and cut diamonds into any shape they can imagine with their 3d holographic editing system :)

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Re:Surely by DoctorTuba · 2003-10-23 12:20 · Score: 3, Informative

The VersaLaser is manufactured by Univeral Laser Systems in Scottsdale, AZ (http://www.ulsinc.com/) and comes in several versions. The VL-200 has a 25 watt laser and a 12" x 16" working area. The VL-300 can be had in 30, 40, or 50 watt versions with a 12" x 24" working area.

The $10K (US) price tag is for the VL-200 without any of the extras you'll need to make it work (exhaust ventilation, colinear air/NO2) and only in the engraving version. The honeycomb table for cutting table will set you back $240. And the VL-300 and accessories are even more expensive. Figure $15-$20K to make it really useable, and >$25K if you want in at 50 watts.

We've been using a 30W VL-300 for a couple of months now in our research lab. We were told to expect 6-8 weeks to get the machine, but in fact it took over twice that. The machine is nicely designed, but in places the fit and finish are pretty bad (at least on the early one we got). The current driver won't work on anything older than Win2K (we bought a cheap XP box for it since we're a Mac only group) and comes preconfigured with a set of materials and thicknesses (for cutting} which can't be changed. When I first tried to cut 1/4" basswood (a material I'd previously cut with a 10 Watt CO2 laser) I was told that a 30W VersaLaser couldn't do that job. No workaround since you don't have access to power levels or cutting speeds.

Also, Epilog Lasers in Golden, CO makes a similar machine, the Legend 24TT.

Is it a cool toy? You bet. But be aware that Universal has a fixed notion of the niche for these things and they're pretty reluctant to modify that notion. So if you've got the next, great market for their product don't be surprised if they're not interested.

Re:VersaTattoo by Dirtside · 2003-10-23 13:20 · Score: 2, Funny

Yeah, one of the labs in the basement of Boelter Hall at UCLA has that same sign... except at the top, where it would normally say DANGER in 72-point type, it just says DANG.

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