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A random reader writes: "In an article at PCMag.com, Bill Machrone describes what has to be the coolest printer ever (or close to it). A company called Versalaser sells a printer which uses a laser and can cut/write on everything from paper to wood to stone. Available in 25-50 Watt models, starting at only US$10,000. Great for the geek who must have it all! Unfortunately, Windows drivers only at this time." We mentioned this wondertool before.
So this is a self admitted repost, huh?! You doubly lazy slashdot editors.
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I'm heartbroken here.
You go getting my hopes up like, and then you don't even show me some pictures????
*faints*
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...and start selling stone-cut garden statuettes of Tux?
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Far cooler are glass (or is it crystal?) laser printers. I haven't seen them, but a coworker was telling me about seeing them at a big mall somewhere in Sacremento. You get modeled by a scan, then it curs your image into a block of glass -- in 3d.
humm save me a lot of funds...
I'm told you are what you eat, does that mean I can be you by tomorrow with some A1?
This could quite possibly be the most painful way to get that tattoo you have always wanted. Comes with free prescription of percacet.
Most likely it's because this tool would be able to make precise cuts at a very narrow diameter. From working with wood I know it's hard to get a perfect line 1/16" thick in a piece of wood. Same with stone I'm assuming. There's only so small you can go with mechanical tools. It also doesn't require cad/cam experience so people like landscape companies could etch their name into paving stones or things like that.
I want sharks with fricken Veralaser printers on their heads!!
Throw me a bone here, people!
-Cyc
/.'s 10 Millionth
I suspect God may have had one of these for the tablets for Moses...
"Customers have also come up with some notably bad ideas, including engraving plastic butane lighters."
You know, it's amazing we've lasted this long.
- It's fairly unique.
- It's for a niche market.
- Supplies are limited (as in, one supplier makes it).
I'm sure I missed something.Have your own tattoo parlor, right on your computer desktop!
(Caution: be sure to have plenty of gauze and ice, a phone, and be in a place where the EMTs can find you easily...)
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They have to fix a mac driver for this. With xmas coming up, i could really annoy all my friends by making them nasty wooden door signs written in Gill Sans Ultra Bold.
Now *that's* the stuff.
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I could open a "tribal" body modification shop and make lots o cash.
What if you wanted to cut / print on two hundred stones plates (or tiles, glass sheets etc) and in larger volumes than a person can write, thousands a day, for several years? Surely, it's not worth $10,000 if you need just one printed item.
I guess it's the same reason we use regular printers and digital storage and not 16th century monks manually re-writing bibles, one book a year.
Unless I'm missing your point?
We mentioned this wondertool before.
At least now they are giving us fair warning of a RP!
Somebody should try to get the videos and get a bittorrent started. E-mail me if you can get the files, since I have a .edu and would be willing to seed (I couldn't get the videos before Slashdotting occurred).
I think I'd like to have one ... but not with my son in the house - he be testing whether it could print on "dog".
you can see a picture of it here, the link provided above. And a techTV spot of it.
-Seriv
Yea, you could keep this person in your closet and drag them out when ever you need to engrave somthing. I've allways wanted a gimp, and and engraving gimp would be at LEAST twice as used as the older models.
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Disaster (serves 6)
1 tbsp. of laser that can cut anything
2 qts. of Windows drivers
Mix ingredients gently. Bake for 5 minutes at 400 degrees Fahrenheit. Serve immediately.
There are a huge number of yeast infections in this county. Probably because we're downriver from the bread factory.
It does etching too, and it works with basically all materials. And it's definately faster. Say you have a company that makes those shitty plaques and plexiglass awards for meaningless accomplishments. That's the kind of market this would go to.
I have yet to meet the geek that doesn't drool over one of these things, they are very cool.
If you watched the TechTV episode, there is not much to these puppys. They could easily be $1000 dollar items. It is clear that the price point is due to relative lack of volume, but the assembly and manufacture of these things could be done very cheaply. I suspect after HP or some other large scale manufacturer provides an offer that they can't refuse that these suckers will be available for the general marketplace.
I'm getting one so I can print my agendas in stone tablets.
Check to see if Amazon or SCO have patented writing on stone tablets, before you buy!
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
That makes me wonder...
Could you send a flat sheet of ice through and get a nice relief sculpture out of it?
Imagine being able to cater ice reliefs of dinner speakers, etc. by simply printing graphics out of photoshop.
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Don't you know how expensive a good "frickin laser" is? Ask Dr. Evil.
Based on all of the Tattoo comments in the thread...
How many Tattoos do you currently have?
[] 0 (and I don't want any)
[] 0 (I can't decide on the design)
[] 1
[] 2-5
[] 6-10
[] 11-20
[] You can't see bare skin any longer
[] CowboyNeal tried to doodle on me once
I guess in addition to a wide selection of stationery Kinkos will have to keep a nice pile of boulders from which to cut slabs for printing.
...of the $9000/unit to cover the liability insurance payments. -Zeke
Now Chairface Chippendale can finally finish writing his name on the moon!
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It's actually a lot easier with stone than with wood because you're sandblasting through a rubber stencil. The stencil can be designed from CAD, allowing a great degree of percision.
Agreed, the fancy "printer" is probably a lot easier to work with....but the sandblasting rig is a lot more versatile. Hard to clean off the side of a granite-faced building with a printer.
The laser lab at WPI (www.wpi.edu) has the best sign on the door.
"Do not look into laser with remaining eye"
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
You could use it to go into small scale manufacturing like this or this or any of these.
$10k is not bad for the main tool for making niche products, say selling 50-100 units/month.
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. . . will only cost $1000, and get bundled for free with new systems, but you'll need to buy $300 fusion plasma cartridges for them every few months that are designed to go critical and explode if you try to refill them.
For now, I'll stick with an X-Acto knife and that wood burning kit I got at a garage sale.
Stefan
For about $20,000 dollars more you can get a used 1kW industrial laser. It'll be powerful enough to cut 3/8" steel plate if you slow the feed rate down. Of course it takes up more room. And the operating costs will be a tad higher. But, it is just the thing for disposing of unwanted British spies.
http://www.franeklaser.com/usedlasers.htm
Who let a member of marketing become a member of /.?
I've actually operated one of these before.....I'm not sure it's by the same company, but there's a little fabrication shop about a 5 minute walk from my office that we frequently service their computers for. They use corel draw, and this laser. It's a nifty process to watch, maybe the next time I get over there, I'll set up a video camera and record it....I've seen it make everything..
Sure. Just find me a chiseler who can read Photoshop files and reproduce their contents in stone at 300 dpi, and we'll talk.
Using the same logic, cars should be around $1000 or so....
You forgot the possibility that the raw materials could be expensive and the item difficult to make. A laser powerful enough to do this type of work is very expensive. A typical laser pointer will not cut through wood and plastic. This is probably a lot of the cost.
This also appears to be the first of an entirely new class of product. The first DVD player was about 10 times the current cost. Something like this must have taken a certain amount of R&D that must be recovered.
If this takes off, I would expect that the price would drop by 1/2 to 1/4 in the next 5-10 yesrs, especially if there is competition (but patents may scuttle competition for the next decade).
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
(Wal/China-Mart) alread has that under patent.
But you can't use it to make all the parts that you need to build an sell VersaLaser knockoffs. DAMN. Not quite there yet!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
A Use Case for this thing:
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My summer hobby is model rocketry.
I usually build my own. Specifically, I recreate old, old models from the early 1960s:
http://www.io.com/~stefanj/posed_with_hustler.j
http://www.io.com/~stefanj/017_14A.JPG (big)
Usually I cut my own fins, and less often turn my own nose cones, but if I'm in a hurry or need exact work there's a great outfit that uses a laser cutter to create these pieces.
You send them a file in an accepted rocketry-CAD format, select a material, and use a spreadsheet to figure out the prices. They can cut cardstock, balsa, thin plywood, and special laminates.
The burning effect is really interesting. The centers of the fins and rings and such are creamy white wood, the edges a dark chocolate brown with an interesting ridged texture.
Stefan
Wouldn't that depend on how long the printer lasts? Who would work for $10000/year?
Saying Android is a family of phones is akin to saying Linux is a family of PCs.
I don't disagree; however, isn't much of the cost of cars to recoup R&D and advertising costs? I had also read ago (a couple months, maybe?) about great new advances in solid-state laser technology: I imagine that the cost of the lasers would be expensive, but no so expensive as to warrant the high price.
You're right, though: it is a new product, and given time and competition, the price will drop drastically in the next few years. After R&D is paid off, the rest can go to profit. However, I doubt that this kind of tool will see more widespread use until someone comes up with a new killer application for it.
-but here's hoping!
I'm going to get one, just so I can use it to customize a Versalaser case!
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Uh... laser cutters have been around for years (more like decades) and are limited in what they can cut. Waterjet cutters on the other hand can cut metal (titanium even!).
Check here (MIT) for a few resources on laser cutting and the feasibility of producing laser cutters at a cost comparable to injet printers.
Not a big deal... just know that it's not the first laser cutter.
I actually got a sample piece of laser cut wood form them a while back, and I must say it looks pretty damn good... I was hoping the sample would have my name on it or something but it just shows the Versalaser logo on it and comes with a whole bunch of lit. with different colors you can get it in :p
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Ah, I didn't know how they cut stone, either with rotary tools or something else. Thanks for clearing that up.
The precursor to the nano-forge.
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These laser cutters are fairly common in the fashion industry, they've used them for quite a few years. They use them to cut fabric for later assembly. I used to live in a loft right across from a fabric cutter shop, I could watch out my window and into their shop floor and see them at work. They have long tables where they lay out bolts of cloth, about a hundred layers folded over each other, then an arm holding the laser moves over it by computer control and cuts through all the layers. It sort of looks like an old-style pen plotter when it's in motion.
So there is probably a much bigger market for these devices than you'd suspect.
Only after they figure out how to make a $59.99 laser cartridge that needs to be replaced every three months!
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Magazines like RCM that offer printed blueprints for radio controlled airplanes and such could just as easily include drawings suitable for feeding a Versalaser....keep plunking in sheets of balsa, and in a few hours you've got all the parts to build your new plane, all laser-cut to tolerance.
Nice.
--riney
A company I worked for before had one of these...back in the year 2000...but it wasn't a Versalaser, it was another brand. We "printed" from a Mactintosh G3 using Illustrator onto things like Corian and wood...it supposedly did not understand Postscript fonts, but we installed a Postscript driver and simply pointed it at the printer, and the thing worked fine. It was pretty fast, and could burn anything but metals...
I saw a cd writer a while back that could burn graphics into the un-used portions of a CD, but I would love to be able to shape the edges or cut voids into unused areas of a disc (Assuming you keep the CD balanced).
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I just finished setting up an E size 5 axis 50 watt CO2 laser cutter in an awards shop.
What was especially neat about the laser was it's based on plotter technology. We had the creator of the laser system there to do the installation and walk-through. He stuck a 5 watt laser inplace of the pen plotter on an old roland pen plotter, hacked together a driver to control to laser pulses and mirror heads. very neat system.
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With the new trend of scarring and piercing etc - how long before we see scar tattoos? Bring in your favourite jpg and walk out with a raised brand. Of course I am not offering to be the one to test the power setting required to scar and not burn through.
Here you can see some sample products made by it.
Think I'll order my up one and start working on filling up the Trophy case.
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I was looking into how much it would cost to buy a 25W laser and build an X Y plotter to run it and came across this article describing how you could write off 57% of the cost because it is basically a machine tool.
I saw an Elimidate like that once.
Not a bad idea... although metal lighters would be nicer.
Shouldn't be a problem so long as the lighter is empty and washed out (refillable lighters)
They can make a laser printer that cuts through anything, but they can't make a website that doesn't get slashdotted.
OK, it's cute. But most slashdot geeks could get much better use of a similarly priced laser cad system that cuts 3d objects, makes PC boards, and can still "print" and engrave 2d surfaces rather than this 2d system that is designed to only print. This may have a very easy to use interface, but many things that have limited functionality do.
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Heck why not? Veterinary tatoos are expensive and not very custom. With this baby, you could tattoo your dog with a bone-shaped tatoo, "bad to the bone" caption, and a phone number in case he gets lost when he's out with the ladies ...
I can see a new Windows exploit....
Rating: Critical
Flaw: Using Windows RPC, an attacker can gain remote access to a machine equipped with the Versalaser peripheral, allowing the attacker to turn the device on and to control its operating rate and output.
Consequences: potential blindness or fires may result from this exploit. Victims have been found with "Bill Sux!" or penguin tattoos spontaneously applied to extremities; unfortunately, secondary infections and scarring rendered most of them unreadable.
Patching: a patch for this exploit will be available with one year.
It's one thing when security flaws can simply spread spam all over the Internet, but physical injury might present more of a problem. It might be good for security if bad security resulted in users losing body parts...on the other hand, the benefit of any added security is likely to be countered by the consequences of thoughtless people accessing and using high-powered lasers. I think I can see the long arm of Darwin here...
Back when I was working with laser marking systems (1988), they were in the $100K region for a 25 joule per pulse laser marking system. This wasn't a raster scan system - just a flash of IR through a mask, and this wasn't a cutter, just a marker.
Now you can get a 25W continuous duty cutter for $10K.
My, how times have changed.
(of course, a laser capable of 15 pulses per second of 25J each, with a pulse width of 25ns, is a different beast than 25W continuous output, but...)
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Wait, what if someone would discover those plates 10 000 years later? Surely, no hard drive can survive that long? Probably not many books either. The only things left of our civilization would be huge sewer systems - and the stone plates.
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Let's see, what should we teach the future generations about? The deCSS code should be a natural choice
A $10,000 printer, and Slashdot is worried about there only being Windows drivers. Pathetic! If you can afford a printer that expensive, you can afford to have a machine running Windows.
"Is that a wood carving of a three-way?"
"No honey, its, uh, a major award."
Until it can be head-mounted on a shark :-)
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- JRR Tolkien.
1 - Take an old plotter ...
2 - Hook a power laser to the pen
3 - Load usual plotter drivers
4 -
5 - Profit! (sell it for $10,000)
Hey, now at last it should be possible to design gravestones using the latest clip art from MS Office! I wonder how long it would take until Clippy start saying stuff like "It looks like you're writing a gravestone..."
Now you too can reenact the famous Goldfinger scene with family and friends. "Do you expect me to cut the grass?" 'No my friend I expect you to die!"
for this printer willbe when it can produce a printed circuit board. Then I'll buy one!
Unfortunately, Windows drivers only at this time.
This thing could have been some sort of combination Time Machine/Transmogrifier/Fountain of Youth, but if it only had Windows drivers, we'd have to find a way to bring in the holy war and complain about it.
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I wonder what effects things like this has on the jewelry industry. In the next century, there will probably be children's toys that make and cut diamonds into any shape they can imagine with their 3d holographic editing system :)
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TechTV last month had a case mod contest where the grand prize was a versalaser. The guy who won is one lucky SOB. The article about it can be found here:
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http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/supergeek/stor
3D printers / rapid prototyping systems are even cooler than that. Make anything you like (within the size limits of the printer). Check out Z Corp's printers (or a BBC news article).
These things (i.e., laser cutters of this nature) have been around for a while. Any decent architecture graduate school has a few of them sitting around their fabrication shop, right next to the 3D plastic modeling system. They *are* incredibly useful for model making, and have been around for about 5 or 10 years. We've done some consulting to architecture schools, and I must say, the technology is impressive. It's particularly neat how it integrates with AutoCAD, and how you can use it to not only cut, but also score material.
Statistically speaking, there's a 99.998% chance that my IQ is higher than yours. Get over it.
Check out the dino. Now I ask you, doesn't that pattern look just like ones you've seen in hobby shops? Which means whoever made this thing has *pirated* a *physical object*! This baby is a copy machine for tangible objects - if they happen to be thin and flat.
If this could be developed and made into a reasonably priced option for photo printers it would be great. Every time I have to print out 20 copies of 5 different pictures in 4x6, 5x7 and wallet size for all my relatives, it takes me hours to carefully cut the 8.5x11 photo paper into individual pictures. This could save tons of time and drudge work.
:-(
:-)
Somehow I don't think it will happen in my lifetime though.
And if it did, I would still whine for a auto folder for the invitations and cards I print out.
The VersaLaser is manufactured by Univeral Laser Systems in Scottsdale, AZ (http://www.ulsinc.com/) and comes in several versions. The VL-200 has a 25 watt laser and a 12" x 16" working area. The VL-300 can be had in 30, 40, or 50 watt versions with a 12" x 24" working area.
The $10K (US) price tag is for the VL-200 without any of the extras you'll need to make it work (exhaust ventilation, colinear air/NO2) and only in the engraving version. The honeycomb table for cutting table will set you back $240. And the VL-300 and accessories are even more expensive. Figure $15-$20K to make it really useable, and >$25K if you want in at 50 watts.
We've been using a 30W VL-300 for a couple of months now in our research lab. We were told to expect 6-8 weeks to get the machine, but in fact it took over twice that. The machine is nicely designed, but in places the fit and finish are pretty bad (at least on the early one we got). The current driver won't work on anything older than Win2K (we bought a cheap XP box for it since we're a Mac only group) and comes preconfigured with a set of materials and thicknesses (for cutting} which can't be changed. When I first tried to cut 1/4" basswood (a material I'd previously cut with a 10 Watt CO2 laser) I was told that a 30W VersaLaser couldn't do that job. No workaround since you don't have access to power levels or cutting speeds.
Also, Epilog Lasers in Golden, CO makes a similar machine, the Legend 24TT.
Is it a cool toy? You bet. But be aware that Universal has a fixed notion of the niche for these things and they're pretty reluctant to modify that notion. So if you've got the next, great market for their product don't be surprised if they're not interested.
An Epilog, perhaps? I know of a shop that uses one from Epilog. I'm wondering what's so new about this, since these kind of lasers have been around for at least a decade.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
I've still got a scar from catching a "glint" of reflected laser light from the industrial version of one of these. I shudder to think of the lawsuits on their way from idiots that jimmy open the safety interlock...
By the way - the machine that tattooed me had a cutting area of 8 by 10 feet, powered by a 2KW IR laser the size of a sixties IBM mainframe, and was cutting the stainless steel signs for the DeLorean dealerships - which should give you an idea of how long ago that was...
And yes, it was my own damn fault - I'd jimmied the safety interlock, but when you're a SuperTech pulling down $500/hour to get a critical machine back online, you are sometimes tempted to take STUPID risks.
(At least the safety goggles I was wearing did their job 8^)
> a printer which uses a laser and can cut/write
> on everything from paper to wood to stone.
I'm'sa gettin' me wife's name put on my schwinkie!
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Yeah, one of the labs in the basement of Boelter Hall at UCLA has that same sign... except at the top, where it would normally say DANGER in 72-point type, it just says DANG.
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The real question is this: Does it print on paper? :)
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Ya it was an Epilog. I was trying to remember the name. I was originally given the task of integrating it with our Mac infrastructure, since everything in the Art department ran on Macs. We were first told that it understood Truetype fonts only...and I commenced converting all of our Postscript fonts to TT. But then we tryed just lying to a postscript driver, and it worked fine. The gases from burning Corian were quite noxious, but we just dumped them outside. I, too, wonder what's so magical about a "printer" that's been around so long...
1. Print the image on paper backwards (mirror the image).
2. Place the printout face-down on the wood.
3. Set the clothes iron on high, and use it to heat the paper enough to melt the toner (but not so hot as to burn the paper or wood). While applying the heat, carefully peel the paper off - leaving toner behind.
Helps if you set the printer to use as much toner as possible. Takes a few tries to get the knack.
Can we get a "-1 Wrong" moderation option?
Most plotter printers cost 2,000-4,000 anyway, and all they do is print in colored ink on paper. I'm not sure what the maximum dimensions are for this printer, but it's probably not lousy.
Once you leave normal ink printing behind, it's not unusual to see printers costing somewhere in the 1000s. Sublimation printers, used in making T-shirt prints, cost a bundle too. I'm guessing they started at prices around 10,000. Now you can get one for just barely under 1000.
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To be honest, I don't want to be anywhere near a 25 watt laser.
* Do not look into laser beam with remaining eye *
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
Here's one you missed:
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The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
Is it a cool toy? You bet. But be aware that Universal has a fixed notion of the niche for these things and they're pretty reluctant to modify that notion. So if you've got the next, great market for their product don't be surprised if they're not interested.
Nice to see such a responsive high-tech corporation. I wouldn't expect to see them around in five or ten years with an attitude like that.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
Obviously the space aliens were using one of these to impress the Earthlings.
Go here to request your free laser processed samples:
http://www.versalaser.com/english/sample.html
I received one a while back. It was a small piece of wood with their logo burned onto it (if I can remember correctly). Useless, but cool none the less.
Let's see, a person who is suitably skilled in precision engraving of all of these types of materials (and can match the precision of a printer) would probably cost about $40-$50 thousand a year to employ. This printer costs $10,000 and may very well work for many years.
you do the math.
Most signwriting shops use laser printers to cut vinyl lettering for the side of vans etc. I suppose this is just the turbo nutter bastard version, if it can cut stone.
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It's fairly unique.
It's for a niche market.
Supplies are limited (as in, one supplier makes it).
Profit!!!
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There is an interesting interview with Neil Gershenfeld, the director of MIT's center for bits and atoms - they have been playing with similar 'replicators' and setting up fabrication labs (fablabs!) in middle-tech countries with interesting results. He sees the mainstream availabilty (ok - once cost comes down a bit) of manufacturing processes as the beginning of a paradigm shift similar to the move of mainframe computing to the desktop. He also discusses their use of open-source hardware and schematics in the fablabs.
When i was in the S of France this year there was a guy on the beachside with one of these printers. You picked up a stone off the beach designed a little picture/name/saying/whatever to be printed on it, and he burnt it into the stone there and then. It made cool personalised presents for all my friends.
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"PC Load Granite"? What the fsck does that mean?
someone recently got a photo from me for a party, took it to the baker where they printed it to a sheet of food dye. They lay that on the cake and it transfers a surprisingly good image into the icing... I think it took a normal-ish printer, though probably special ink and transfer paper
I have to admit, if I had one that I'd just hooked up, the first thing *I'd* do would be to look around the room, thinking "hmm, what can I test this with..." those can be famous last words...
I'll bet it'd really contribute to keeping our fire departments and hospital emergency rooms busy...
At least we wouldn't need to shell out $30 a month/week/whatever to HP/lexmark/canon/blah for ink cartridges, though we might be spending that much more in power bills...
I've had metal cut with a laser machine before. I am nearly certain that there is little comparison that can be made.
One time we tried to see if we can engrave with it. It ended up looking like a nine pin dot matrix print-out. It simply did not have fine enough control, and I doubt that a 15 year old machine would do any better. A machine with 34,000 hours of operation may be pretty well worn out too, there's a reason why it costs much less than many of thethe others listed. That is 17 years of full 40 hour work weeks, so I think it has seen its share of abuse.