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tedu writes "We just couldn't wait another 2 days, so now you can enjoy OpenBSD 3.4 a little early and protect yourself from ghosts and goblins. More details at the OpenBSD website and official announcement. Remember to please use a mirror."
Hi,
:)
I've always used Windowz and I consider myself an exceptional Visual
Basic programmer, so I know computers pretty good. In fact I got an A-
in my programming class last term. But I'm a little wary of how much
power Microsoft has in the computer field. Many of my friends use
RedHat and I've recently installed it on my machine at home. Although
I haven't had as much chance to play with it as I'd like, I've been
greatly impressed.
This weekend I gave some thoughts to the things that are wrong with
Linux. I hope no one minds having some flaws pointed out. I'd like to
help make RedHat stronger so it can conquer MS. Hopefully RedHat will
hear this (crossing fingers) and address these. I think with a little
effort, RedHat's Linux can defeat Microsoft's Windows!
To begin with, there are too many different flavors of RedHat.
Browsing a list on Amazon, I saw they made varients under the
codenames of Mandrake, Debian and Slackware, just to name a few. I
know that I'm very new to RedHat so maybe this is obvious but it seems
like RedHat should just sell a few different flavors of its operating
system. Perhaps one for the desktop and one for a server? Could
someone explain why RedHat produces dozens of different versions of
Linux?
Secondly did you know that anyone can view the source code to Linux! I
think that RedHat shouldn't make its code available. After all, what
keeps Microsoft from stealing RedHat's ideas and putting it into
Windows? My friend says that FreeBSD stole the TCP/IP stack from DOS a
long time ago and Microsoft is always looking for revenge for that.
Plus it seems to me like RedHat is just giving away its ideas for
free. And what keeps hackers or terrorists from tampering with the
code and putting a virus in every computer?
On a related note, why doesn't RedHat write Linux in assembly? My
friend says that's what Microsoft does for Windows, and that's why
Windows is faster and more stable than Linux.
Next RedHat definitely should kill -9 (ha, ha!) the command line.
Microsoft finally gave up DOS when Windows 2000 came out. I'm suprised
that RedHat hasn't migrated away from...whatever its version of DOS is
called (Bash, I think?) But maybe this is planned for a future
release?
Finally Linux needs games! RedHat will never be successful in the home
without games. They should also tell M$ to release a version of Office
for Linux too. And Internet Explorer!
Have a nice day! Go Linux!!
I'm not Seth.
"Remember to please use a mirror."
BSD IS DEAD
The vast majority of americans don't give a damn what a bunch of poor, socialist losers like yourselves think of us. Go on and look at Chirac as the leader of the EU. We'll continue to laugh at you.
sites getting slashdotted already, looks like they were using an OpenBSD server.
When anger rises, think of the consequences.
Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC)
Since when does Slashdot care about overloading webservers?
Manipulate the moderator system! Mod someone as "overrated" today.
OpenBSD 3.4 was a real stinker in these tests. The installation routine sucks, the disk performance sucks, the kernel was unstable, and in the network scalability department it was even outperformed by it's father, NetBSD. OpenBSD also gets points deducted for the sabotage they did to their IPv6 stack. If you are using OpenBSD, you should move away now.
Server is working just fine.
Yet Socrates himself is particularly missed.
A lovely little thinker but a bugger when he's pissed.
...perfect code is irrelevant to security! Didn't you hear me?!
-Bill
Given a choice between free speech and free beer, most people will take the beer.
Are you troll enough for a penile implant?
.."OpenBSD 3.4 a little early and protect yourself from ghosts and goblins"
So you are saying that OpenBSD is dead then?
Its our new motto for OpenBSD.
http://saveie6.com/
Theo, you are a jerk, and no one likes working with you. The NetBSD guys were assholes to kick you out, but whine all you want about that, OpenBSD sucks. Sorry. I tried several times to give OpenBSD a chance. Sorry, pal, "secure" is a relative term even for you mist priv sep zealot (nice job hackin in privsep and causing a root exploit) and trojaned tarballs.
Good job, Rat. We dont care aboutn OpenBSD. FreeBSD or die.
the whole fucking thing a half assed fork of NetBSD.
At least FreeBSD is original. (oh, and scalable, faster, more featured, has better ports, is secure -i dont know what the fuck or how the fuck SSH is better on OBSD, is coherent and respectful of 4.4BSD without being a fucking lunatic and keeping the shit that should have gone years ago there
Theo de Craap. He stole SSH from Tatu, OpenBSD from NetBSD, most of the drivers from FreeBSD. The pf/ipf series was probably inspired by work done elsewhere since he set a precedent for being incapable of being original, or better.
Freaking shit, why does every operating system want to do that! Time to go back up to PC world..
Screenshot of My G5 desktop!
That I am dumb.
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dbblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
I for one, would like security on my Tablet, so will they make a Tablet version of OpenBSD?
What We Can Learn From BSD
By Chinese Karma Whore, Version 1.0
Everyone knows about BSD's failure and imminent demise. As we pore over the history of BSD, we'll uncover a story of fatal mistakes, poor priorities, and personal rivalry, and we'll learn what mistakes to avoid so as to save Linux from a similarly grisly fate.
Let's not be overly morbid and give BSD credit for its early successes. In the 1970s, Ken Thompson and Bill Joy both made significant contributions to the computing world on the BSD platform. In the 80s, DARPA saw BSD as the premiere open platform, and, after initial successes with the 4.1BSD product, gave the BSD company a 2 year contract.
These early triumphs would soon be forgotten in a series of internal conflicts that would mar BSD's progress. In 1992, AT&T filed suit against Berkeley Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly violated. In the same year, BSD filed countersuit, reciprocating bad intentions and fueling internal rivalry. While AT&T and Berkeley Software lawyers battled in court, lead developers of various BSD distributions quarreled on Usenet. In 1995, Theo de Raadt, one of the founders of the NetBSD project, formed his own rival distribution, OpenBSD, as the result of a quarrel that he documents on his website. Mr. de Raadt's stubborn arrogance was later seen in his clash with Darren Reed, which resulted in the expulsion of IPF from the OpenBSD distribution.
As personal rivalries took precedence over a quality product, BSD's codebase became worse and worse. As we all know, incompatibilities between each BSD distribution make code sharing an arduous task. Research conducted at MIT found BSD's filesystem implementation to be "very poorly performing." Even BSD's acclaimed TCP/IP stack has lagged behind, according to this study.
Problems with BSD's codebase were compounded by fundamental flaws in the BSD design approach. As argued by Eric Raymond in his watershed essay, The Cathedral and the Bazaar, rapid, decentralized development models are inherently superior to slow, centralized ones in software development. BSD developers never heeded Mr. Raymond's lesson and insisted that centralized models lead to 'cleaner code.' Don't believe their hype - BSD's development model has significantly impaired its progress. Any achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by the BSD license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL.
The failure of BSD culminated in the resignation of Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith from the FreeBSD core team. They both believed that FreeBSD had long lost its earlier vitality. Like an empire in decline, BSD had become bureaucratic and stagnant. As Linux gains market share and as BSD sinks deeper into the mire of decay, their parting addresses will resound as fitting eulogies to BSD's demise.
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I'm not Seth.
The Year of Our Lord 2003 has been a particularly bad year for the "B"s,
- Bob Hope
- Buddy Ebsen
- Buddy Hackett
- Barry White
- BSD
This honored list of dead is but a small token of adieu from the many fans of the deceased.These dead were truly some American Icons. They will be missed.
How can anyone trust an operating system like OpenBSD when its insecure, come on it still has a root account, You obvoously haven't used Cryptech Radicacally Advanced PowerBSD. This operating system uses the "swallow the key" principle. Once installed, you are pernemently in a sandbox, with NO WAY to get root access becasue THERE IS NONE, For extra security the Installation CDROM has a built in Self destruct mechanism. Once It installs it scans a special diode embedded into the disk and destroys the CDROM. No one has managed to hack a Cryptech RAP BSD box, and I have ran one connected to the Internet on a high volume site (10,000,000 hits a month) which publishes controversail material. Noone out of the THOUSANDS of kiddies have manged to get in so far, and good riddance.
And make sure you listen to the release song too. It's great :-)
"You see, even though I have never contributed code to any BSD project, I thought it was my duty to be a big asshole to others which don't use the OS I do, because it just 0wnz.", said one FreeBSD user. "Now that I know it sux0rs, though, I have to go find something else to be an asshole about."
One notorious OpenBSD fanatic known as WideOpen, told reporters, "I have to kill myself. This isn't how it was supposed to happen. My BSD has always been the best, and shouting that opinion in other people's faces at every chance I got has been my only hobby. It was all I ever did. It was what got me out of bed in the morning. Now I have to die. I will jam my bedpost up my ass until I hit my brain. It is the only way to go: BSD style."
In the volatile world of operating systems anything can happen. "At least we don't sux0r as much as Windows users", BigAzz, a relatively well-known NetBSD user said. "Screaming things in people's faces is my calling. Now I need to scream that BSD sux0rs. What a sad world. At least I won't kill myself like those uber-asshole OpenBSD guys. They are just way over the top. Or were, at least."
Nobody knows for sure what the future holds for the state of operating systems, but with Netcraft confirming the sux0r status, *BSD users all over the world will have to stick something else up their asses from now on or risk looking even more gay than they used to.
Note: this is purely an academic question, it is not my intention to critisize anyone, but just to learn why these things happen, not being a very experienced programmer myself.
All it says is "BSD is dying".
No GNU has been Hurd during the making of this comment.
Indeed it is common knowledge that ever hapless *BSD continues to be mired in an irrecoverable and mortifying tangle of fatal trouble. It is perhaps anybody's guess as to which *BSD is the worst off of an admittedly suffering *BSD community. The numbers continue to decline for *BSD but FreeBSD may be hurting the most. Look at the cold numbers. The erosion of user base for FreeBSD continues in a dizzying, head spinning downward spiral.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD, another dying variant. How many users of BSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major marketing surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among hobbyist dilettante dabblers. In truth, for all practical purposes *BSD is already dead. It is a dead man walking.
Fact: *BSD is dying
This is a troll honeypot. I'd like to warn my fellow trolls: This article is just a simulation to get your IP-address, MAC-adresses and your trolling license number. Congress just passed a law that gives ISPs the right to surgically remove the testicles of newsgroup-posters when it is obvious that an allergic reaction to a mix of certain hormones is causing them to write annoying messages against their will. I sent this info to slashdot three days ago, but they're holding back the article to catch as many trolls as they can. Please trust me and stay away for at least 6 months. I will post again, when it is safe, and I will then lead the davastating counterstrike against the slashdot facilities. At this time just wait and reform our troops.
The Brainbug.
Looks like the announcement has been delayed a little as I've had the OpenBSD3.4 CDs for over a week now, ordered from the OpenBSD online store!
Go on and look at Chirac as the leader of the EU. We'll continue to laugh at you.
Go on and look at Bush as the leader of the US. I think the joke's on you...
... how did this get voted "informative"?
Remove unlicensed MATH_EMULATE code (written by some guy named Torvalds) from the kernel, leaving only the GNU emulation code for the moment.
Gotta love that.
I JUST USED A CITY BUS AND I SAW THIS CHICK, 19 YEARS OLD, AND I WAS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL AND I GOT THE COURAGE TO SAY HER 'HEY, YOU LOOK NICE. CAN I FUCK YOU?' AND YOU KNOW WHAT??? SHE SAYS 'YES!'. SO I JUST LIKE FUCKED HER 15 MINUTES AGO... THAT CUTE BARELY LEGAL BITCH WAS JUMPING ON MY COCK!!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!! IT WAS THIS EASY TO GET SOME PUSSY OF A GOOD LOOKIN' BITCH!!! I'M 30 YEARS OLD FAT SYSADMIN BUT I JUST GOT SOME PUSSY OF SO FUCKING GOOD LOOKING BITCH!!!!
I JUST USED A CITY BUS AND I SAW THIS CHICK, 19 YEARS OLD, AND I WAS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL AND I GOT THE COURAGE TO SAY HER 'HEY, YOU LOOK NICE. CAN I FUCK YOU?' AND YOU KNOW WHAT??? SHE SAYS 'YES!'. SO I JUST LIKE FUCKED HER 15 MINUTES AGO... THAT CUTE BARELY LEGAL BITCH WAS JUMPING ON MY COCK!!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!! IT WAS THIS EASY TO GET SOME PUSSY OF A GOOD LOOKIN' BITCH!!! I'M 30 YEARS OLD FAT SYSADMIN BUT I JUST GOT SOME PUSSY OF SO FUCKING GOOD LOOKING BITCH!!!! FUCK!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED TO ME!!!!!
"My friend says that FreeBSD stole the TCP/IP stack from DOS a long time ago and Microsoft is always looking for revenge for that." You should research before you post, FreeBSD developed TCP/IP and the same TCP/IP is used by Microsoft, and it wasnt stolen by anyone. You should learn about the licencing of GPL, BSD and MPL etc If you think you know how to beat Microsoft, you may use the GPL to your advantage and set up your own Linux company.
Unlike 3.3, which made it months before a single security-related patch was issued, 3.4 LAUNCHES with 3 such patches.
That said, it's such a huge release in terms of changes made (x86 Write or eXecute memory pages, for one) that it's more than worth the upgrade.
As with most such fundamental updates to OBSD, though, I expect this release to be significantly patchier than the last couple.
--Ryv
I am pretty sure that TCP/IP was developed by the millitary. They needed a better protocol. What you said is true though, BSD and Microsoft did develop the implementations that they use in thier OS's at the same time. I think both tcp and ip have been around since the 70's though (just in use at DoD and not majorly on arpa net, but I could be wrong). Am I correct, or am I making my self look terribly stupid here. PS. Dont Feed The Trolls! :)
Stop signs are only Suggestions
"here in "europe", we've already been through fascism. we'll see you if you ever get out the other side"
Europe is living through it now, while America is fighting against fascism.
Anti-semitism is alive and well in today's Vichy France and Nazi Germany. The governments in much of Europe control and run too much of private matters, such as health care and media.
As I was lucky enough to run into this on a relatively new install I could just do a complete reinstall, but not reading the upgrade instructions can get you in a lot of trouble this time... :)
karma capped
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YHL
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You're wrong. TCP/IP was developed by Berkely and later included in AT&T Unix. Microsoft's TCP/IP is derived from the Berkely (BSD) version.
Does anyone who runs a mirror care to describe the traffic hit that comes with the rush to download 3.4? I remember seeing the stats for the FreeBSD Walnut Creek server handling tons of traffic whenever the next version of something it was serving was released. Generally it was RedHat, ironically.
While I order CDs to support the project, I run snapshots for many things, and being close to a mirror (OC-3 linking our sites), it takes minutes to install via ftp.
Neither will we, mwuhahaaha. I hope you enjoy releasing 3.4p1, 3.4p1.1, 3.4p1p1 and 3.4p1p1.1!
MWUAHAHAHAH, HAHAHAHA, HAHAhahahaSNORKcoughcoughhaaaaaaaaark. Nmmm, yes.
Please help metamoderate.
I have heard predictions for 15 years that BSD is dying. And more people use it today than ever before. Especially for firewalls to protect the tender Windows systems.
With OpenBSD, FreeBSD and NetBSD in developmnet, there are alot of developers out there, more than ever before.
BSD is like the turtle in the race with the rabbit. Not flashy, not fast but it will get there without crashing.
You are a fucking dumb cunt.
it will be called the "Tombstone".
Ummm...this is really old news...I've purchased the CD at my local computer book store over a week ago.
TDz.
Let's see how it turns out. That way I could relocate the UK Mediterranean Navy to the Atlantic and when the Germany attacks France, they'll end up fighting on the Italian front as well.
And I quote: "Theo De Raadt gobbles the wang!"
`nuff sed.
Oct. 23 -- BSD resumed receiving life-sustaining care yesterday in a
Florida hospital room, but many experts said there is virtually no hope
that it will ever recover, despite it fan boy's desperate hopes.
"IF IT'S over a year, BSD's not ever going to get up," said Fred Plum, a
professor emeritus at Weill Cornell College in New York. "You'd just
don't see it. It just doesn't happen."
BSD, 39, has been in a persistent vegetative
state since its heart stopped for unknown reasons in 1990. A feeding
tube in BSD's stomach was removed this past Wednesday after its husband,
Theo De Ratt, who said his wife had told him she (BSD) would not want to
be kept alive under such circumstances, won a long series of court
battles to have life-sustaining nourishment withdrawn so she (BSD) could
die.
was more like
"Given the ferocity with which the OpenBSD nazis fix things like this in their code wouldn't this sort of thing, in the kernel, be one of the first things they did?"
Indeed, I thought this was done quite a while ago...
It's the DAEMONS you have to worry about... (it had to be said, right? RIGHT???)
TCP/IP was developped for 4.3 BSD NET/2 release funded by a governmental DARPA grant.
All other OSes borrowed from it, and Microsoft didn't steal it, since Microsoft pays taxes too.
The *BSD Wailing Song
What's left for me to see
In my ship I sailed so far
What can the answer be
Don't know what the questions are.
And after all I've done
Still I cannot feel the sun
Tell me save me
In the end our lost souls must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low.
Who knows what's really true
They say the end is so near
Why are we all so cruel
We just fill ourselves with fear.
And heaven and hell will turn
All that we love shall burn
Hear me trust me
In the end our lost sould must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low
Final curtain
Final curtain
as a story on Slashdot recently highlighted.
Now when secure/good written code is not important. Windows is taking over.
I received the email first thing in the morning from the IT department. Our network would be undergoing a major overhaul to correct the ad hoc growth it had experienced in the last year, and starting next week Internet access would be sporadic. There would also be a new firewall and security measures, replacing the old OpenBSD system I'd managed to get installed last Spring. Happy for the heads-up, I went to work right away to make sure Linux had no place on our network.
Since the Open Source Mullet had been canned, a new threat had arisen at my workplace: the Fat Perl Hacker had assumed most of the Open Source Mullet's system and network administration duties, and it was no mystery to anyone at my workplace that he had a hard-on for Linux tucked away under his enormous, cascading gut. Since he was a major suck-up and workaholic, he had a lot more credibility than the Open Source Mullet-- this would be a real challenge for once.
That night, I went to work on my strategy. First, I would document the changes in Linux and OpenBSD since a year ago when we last went with a security plan. Linux was still at version 2.4, while OpenBSD had raced from version 2.8 to 3.1-- a major revision! This was good so far, and I included the relevant diffs for each. I wondered what the Fat Perl Hacker was up to and pushed ahead with my preparations.
Tuesday morning, I went to talk with the VP of Operations, who had final say on the network project. I wouldn't leave anything to chance. But after chatting with him for a few minutes, I learned of a major monkey-wrench I hadn't expected: instead of a Unix firewall system, he was planning on installing a dedicated firewall box-- running Windows XP Server. Thankful for my fortuitous social engineering, I went back to my desk and began making over my strategy to deal with this new threat. Not only would I have to deal with Linux, I'd have to eschew the Windows option now.
Sitting in front of my iBook after work, I realized that taking on Windows XP in the same manner I was going to deal with Linux would be foolish if not wasteful. Obviously the Windows option was not about numbers, anecdotes, or experience. It was a bean-counting decision and all of the security statistics in the world wouldn't matter. Since I hadn't the foggiest about how our accountants viewed the whole operation and didn't have time to learn, I'd have implement a rapid-fire real-life assault on the Windows box, which was sitting on the VP's desk awaiting its place on the network. It was time to put on my Black Hat, and that night I stayed up until 02:00 researching Windows XP vulnerabilities. Linux would have to wait.
With just two days before the network changeover was to take place, I marched into work Wednesday morning knowing that what I did in the next few hours would decide the fate of our network security. To my surprise, just moments after I had sat down, the Fat Perl Hacker asked me to join him for a cigarette outside-- away from the ears and eyes of the office. 15 minutes later, I was fully aware of the precarious situation I was in.
Joining forces with the Fat Perl Hacker was something I had thought about but hadn't wanted to consider. It was a double-edged sword, and I wasn't about to kid myself. Although I am damn good, he had another full decade of experience over me and that included office politics. If we aided each other I ran the risk of pushing for Linux, even if inadvertently. And I certainly wasn't about to reveal my anti-Linux research to him. After doing some quick scheming, I agreed to help the Fat Perl Hacker dissuade the VP from using Windows XP-- but I had my own twist to what would follow after. Knowing my shortcomings, I decided to do the only thing that would give me an edge. And that was doing something that I knew better than anyone else at my office: playing dirty.
After a power-lunch of strategizing, the Fat Perl Hacker and I went to work on cracking the Windows XP box into oblivion. We then called back
TCP/IP was developed by Berkely under contract with DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency), as an upgrade to DARPAnet to improve on our ability to have the computer network survive a disaster (aka, Nuclear War). DARPA, of course, how now been renamed just "ARPA" to bring it out of the strictly military realm.
Microsoft was working on MSDOS upgrades and maybe Windows 286 at the time. So, don't even *include* Microsoft in the history of TCP/IP.
From a University of Texas CS instructor's web site:
The Transmission Control Protocol was first formally specified in December of 1974 by Vint Cerf, Yogen Dalal and Carl Sunshine.
The link can be found here:
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/chris/think/Early_D ays_Of_TCP/index.shtml
And supporting documentation will be found here:
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/chris/think/Early_D ays_Of_TCP/Annotated_Bibliography/index.shtml
Since everyone else is doing it now, why isn't there a *.torrent file for this release of OpenBSD?
It was a joke if ya didn't get that...
This is 2 days old ....
"Do not stand at my hard disk and forever weep.
I am not there; I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow.
I am the diamond glints on snow.
I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn's rain.
When you reboot in the morning's hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my hard disk and forever cry.
I am not there. "
You can relicense the code. Look at the numerous projects out there that are avaliable under multiple licenses.
1.6 Gbit/sec of AES-128? Damn, I gotta get me one of these!
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
OpenBSD has worst reputation... when it comes to streamlining. Fefe has written an interesting article about BSDs' and Linux' responsiveness in various situations...
1 point for sarcasm, -2 points for not knowing that the p designation refers to the portable version of OpenSSH, not patch release.
is how you got past the all-caps lameness filter. Way to go!
I don't use Linux, I use OpenBSD. And I took the pain of downloading the Linux kernel just to give an accurate answer to this guy...
Like he could have done, unless he doesn't have broadband...
Because OpenBSD does not offer any iso images for download. The official iso images are copyrighted by Theo and can only be gotten by buying the CD's or by pirating them. Or course you could make your own homebrew iso images, that's perfectly legal, and then distribute them as torrent files. But the OpenBSD project depends on CD sales to fund the continued development of the OS. Go buy the official CD's.
Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered Slashdot community when recently the GNAA confirmed that Sir Haxalot accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of karma-whoring posts. Coming on the heels of the latest Slashdot survey which plainly states that Sir Haxalot has lost more karma, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along: Sir Haxalot is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent First Post comprehensive trolling test.
You don't need to be an Anonymous Coward to predict Sir Haxalot's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Sir Haxalot faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Sir Haxalot because Sir Haxalot's precious karma is dying. Things are looking very bad for Sir Haxalot. As many of us are already aware, Sir Haxalot continues to lose karma bonuses. Negative mod points flow like a river of blood. There can no longer be any doubt: Sir Haxalot is dying.
All major surveys show that Sir Haxalot has steadily declined in Slashdot popularity. Sir Haxalot is very sick and his long term survival prospects are very dim. If Sir Haxalot is to survive at all it will be among pityful moderators. Sir Haxalot continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save him at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Sir Haxalot is dead.
Fact: Sir Haxalot is dead
OpenBSD makes a distinction between ports and packages; packages are recommended because they are maintained actively and more thoroughly audited; ports are sort of `use at your own risk'.
Zero points for not being able to pull your head out of your ass and laugh, and for chrissakes, it was NOT a troll, it was a JOKE. Jesus you OpenBSD people are touchy.
Please help metamoderate.
It's dead, Jim.
Actually thanks to great loopholes Microsoft doesn't actually pay taxes...
I'll go download the FreeBSD ISO's instead.
and the same BSD zealots claim the BSD license is "more free" than the GPL
Jesus you OpenBSD people are touchy.
How true.. Just hang out on the mailing lists and see the sort of crap replies and overreactions those guys have to everything.
..as an upgrade to DARPAnet to improve on our ability to have the computer network survive a disaster (aka, Nuclear War).
NO
Please stop spreading this urban myth. DARPANet was not created to survive a nuclear war. Packet switching was not invented to solve the problem of survivable networks. Stop it.
TCP/IP was simply developed because the original NCP was poorly designed and limited the growth of the DARPANet quite badly. The NCP to TCP/IP switch over is analogous to the IPv4 to IPv6 switch over.
The ones that have the root passwd posted on port 80. And yes, the sshd is open and root can login. Still nobody has hacked those machines. And hey, they're actually running services, unlike the obsd "secure by default" but only because all the ports are closed up in the default install...
Switch to obsd if you want to deal with big developers egos. Switch to Linux if you want to actually get shit done.
Can't you hurry up? Look at the front page of bsd.slashdot.org....
Freebsd released 4.9 before your 3.4!!!
(j/k)
On a side note, reading the 2nd or 3rd post about trojaned obsd ISOs floating around the web is really sad and upsetting. I love the open sharing of software and source code around the internet, but i always fear that someday it will be to a point that *everything* has been tampered with, essentially creating a need to look through more source code than anyone has time for. Sure we can solve this with technology (such as with MD5 Checksums) but as we create smarter verification, the internet will create smarter shitheads. I'd hate to think that it will eventually degrade into a win-some/lose-some cat-and-mouse game.
I actually lost some sleep few months back when the GNU folks announced that their main ftp site got compromised. I realise that servers get cracked every day, but when it's gnu/linux/bsd/oss folks it feels personal.
I'm not well acquainted with any $krYp+ KyddI3z, cr4x0rz or know what they use, but i'll be willing to bet that their OS and many of their tools are based on software from those they are attacking.
Assholes.
do() || do_not();
Here's the page with login info:
http://selinux.dev.gentoo.org/
Good luck there Mr. "Linux is about as secure as Windows".
This isn't a boy band, or a high school rock group! It is supposed to be a rendition of UNIX. This garage band mentality as applied to UNIX is not fun to watch, nor is it funny.
On several occasions OpenBSD has proven to be unusable due to its horrific performance.
I don't particularly care for the incoherent mess that is Linux, but there is no compelling reason I see to not deal with Linux over this when considering performance.
OpenBSD is amateurish because security without performance is purely academic and is has no value, commercial or otherwise.
I'll be sticking with FreeBSD. I tend to like the coders and the project to have serious goals and real commercial value.
For all you fanboys out there, get a job doing something else. Sipping on a latte in a net cafe on your laptop running OpenBSD furiously sucking down the battery isn't cool. Working for a place without an air conditioner unit is also just as lame, because using deprecated PC equipment running an attempt at BSD isn't cool either. And of course, the last possibly is that you neither have a job making latte, nor work at a garage ISP, you are probably unemployed. I'd like to suggest you stay that way so the rest of us can make progress without another fumbling retard in mix.
You. Your pathetic OpenBSD. Low low/no paid existence. Hahahahahaha.
you are a pathetic loon tune fat sexless greasy fucking DORK.
you also suck, you suck at your job, and you wouldnt know if you sucked in the sack unless a blowup doll could do a tell all.
and i know you order yoda buttplugs, you fucking queer.
I really hope this was a joke post, cause I am pissing myself laughing over here...
Fefe has written a very interesting article about the current state of art in system performance and how OpenBSD stacks up. Plenty of good insights there for the technically savvy reader. Sad to say, this latest release of OpenBSD 3.4 has not yet addressed the problems, but future releases will hopefully be in a better postion to deal with these shortcomings.
Theo has said that he is not interested in network performance or even competing with other systems performance-wise. He went on to say that his main concern is buffer overruns. That is where the bulk of the OpenBSD development work is being directed.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
The numbers continue to decline for *BSD but FreeBSD may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The loss of user base for FreeBSD continues in a head spinning downward spiral. In truth, for all practical purposes FreeBSD is already dead. It is a dead man walking. It's a fact: FreeBSD is dying.
Theo is trying to make *a living* here. Its called being realistic!
And yes, the BSD license is more free than the GPL
And no, I am not a zealot, you are just a troll.
Heh, rather amusing since you're guilty of exactly the thing you accuse me of. :)
and dying at a fucking amazing rate. Why do you losers still use this pile of shit?
Suck it down, Tux has won!
:cough: hypocrisy :cough:
you just proved my point exactly
I fail to see how what you said in reply to him could possibly even remotely even be interpreted as a joke.
Just admit that you missed the joke and move on.
One thing that I regret is when you wanted to open my car door for me, but I always got it myself. I wish I would have let you do it. And when you wanted to hold my hand, I sometimes would pull away because I didn't want people to see me holding my daddy's hand ... I feel so ashamed that
I cared what people thought of me walking down the parking lot holding
your hand. But now I would give anything just to feel the warmth of your
hand holding mine.
im hoping this is not too off topic, but theres some things that have to be set streight for the misinformed people who post nonsensical blabber here.
first off, the openbsd team does not provide isos for download for several reasons. 1 - the real users dont need a cd at all. no matter how slow your connection is or how much you pay for shipping, you can still do an ftp install of the OS way before you would get a CD. 2 - the CDs are available before the ftp sites so that the people who order and pay money to support the project get an added bonus of getting the new version faster in addition to a sheet of stickers and a jewel case. 3 - since these people get the CD before its available for download, they kind of act as an unofficial open beta test team. 4 - it keeps complete newbies (well some of the time) away from using openbsd and keeps the user base smaller but of higher quality. this makes sure that more time is spent in the community on advanced topics rather than the typical "i just downloaded linux 9.1 how to i burn it to a cd?".
second, *bsd is not dying. never has been, probably never will. any non-religious-nazi admin will use the right tool for the job when he can, and alot of times microsoft and linux dont cut it. sorry, but linux has always been behind when it comes to a flexible license, security, and in some cases performance/stability. in many other cases linux is clearly the right tool for the job and it is used much more than BSD for that reason (if not just because of its more popular name and industry support). and hell, even microsoft products can clearly be the best tool for the job... i dont see the secretary or the accounting department at my place of employment using linux as a desktop anytime soon. sorry.
if you want to look at the usage of BSD as compared to linux, take mac osx into account and the arguement is over. thank you apple, for shifting the trend. and thank you for finally making all those mac labs at universities a useful environment for everyone.
i personally have been using openbsd since 2.7, and i cant emagine life without it. give me a new box with a blank drive and ill go from zero to firewall/gateway/vpn node/router/or whatever in one hour. nothing else comes close.
3.4 was a long awaited release with substantial new features (not found anywhere else), which shows that the openbsd team is live, kicking, and strong as ever. they provide me with a powerful tool to add to my toolbox, and its the right tool for the job quite often - just as are linux and (sigh) windows.
finally, as a side note for the linux crowd, i think that it may be possible that they resent *BSD because its existance as a viable solution means that they have to learn to use one more tool when they thought that linux was the answer to everything. dont worry, MCSEs felt the same way after the crash of the dotcoms, and they got over it (or got a job at radio shack). trust me,if you can deal with keeping up with the latest crap from microsoft, you wont have any problems with a familiar environment like *BSD.
The Failure of *BSD
Of course we can all agree that BSD is a failure, but why did BSD fail Once you get past the fact that BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know BSD keeps losing market share but why Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players Or is it larger than their troubled personalities
The record is clear on one thing no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for BSD.
retard fuck off
i see you have freetime on your callcenter day job to answer slashdot
fuck the rest! they call it BSD!
On Monday *BSD was giving a sad prognosis, it was dying. It probably won't have much longer to live. So when news broke out hell broke loose. Jimmy an avid *BSD user had this to say:
Well you've heard it folks from a true *BSD user. They have all turned gay because of these unfortunate happenings.The license IS more free. Your comment has nothing to with the license.
Getting the distribution is of course completely free. You are apparently just too lazy to get and install anything other than an ISO.
Hi.
When backward people don't understand something, they lash out at that something, often blaming it's behavior on demons or other supernatural things.
When looking at my wisdom with your primitive mind you may feel anger, hate and fear. But it's ok. Pull up a chair and learn something, my little stupid subject. You have a lot to learn about using computers as tools, clearly. Now you might be having fun being Theo's bitch, but you are a bad employee, and idiot, and fairly useless and most likely not employed at the moment. You are a sad person, Mr. Small Penis man.
Now go grab your antonio banderas blow up doll and fill your mind with some serotonin after that orgasmic release. You'll need it after reading this ad realizing you are below me, at the bottom of the food chain, and a poor fat sexless greasy nerd idiot that cant even function at any level physically, with your frail girly body with little T-rex barney arms.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
The numbers continue to decline for *BSD but FreeBSD may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The loss of user base for FreeBSD continues in a head spinning downward spiral. In truth, for all practical purposes FreeBSD is already dead. It is a dead man walking. It's a fact: FreeBSD is dying.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
The numbers continue to decline for *BSD but FreeBSD may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The loss of user base for FreeBSD continues in a head spinning downward spiral. In truth, for all practical purposes FreeBSD is already dead. It is a dead man walking. It is a fact: FreeBSD is dying.