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PC Mag Gives Panther 5-Star Rating

Cycline3 writes "The subject says it all. PC Mag gave the big black cat a five-out-of-five star rating. I really like Panther, but I never would have imagined that this would happen. Pretty cool. PC users take note!"

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  1. you never? by rritterson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The poster must not be a big reader of pc mag.

    PC Mag has been giving good reviews to apple products for a long time. Here is a link to a review of 10.1 (4/5 stars).

    I also don't understand the surprise. What would a PC user find wrong with a mac? It's similar enough to windows to be usuable. I don't use apples because I don't like the lack of 3rd party hardware and the more limited upgradability. There is nothing wrong with the OS.

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    1. Re:you never? by Bastian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A lot of PC users I have worked with are extremely resistant to using Mac OS machines. It's better with OS X than it is with OS 9 and earlier, but most of the average users I know are threatened by things like the lack of a Start menu and a Windows-style taskbar. Once I've shown them the ropes and explained all the Mac OS equivalents, they get a lot more comfortable.

      Regardless, I've noticed that the defining feature of a great number of computer users is that they freeze up in the face of anything new or different. I imagine it's the same mechanism that gave rise to those interesting statistics about how Windows 3.1 users learned Windows 95 more slowly than people who were just learning to use a computer.

      So all in all, I gotta say that there is one huge glaring thing that a lot of PC users find wrong with Macs: they aren't PCs.

    2. Re:you never? by trouser · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Lack of 3rd party hardware?

      I'm curious to know what hardware you're talking about? These days anything I'd buy to plug into my PC I seem to be able to plug into my Mac as well and the Mac generally does a better job of recognising and talking to the crap I plug into it.

      I'm talking about stuff like printers, cameras, scanners, etc.

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    3. Re:you never? by rritterson · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry- I should have been more specific. I meant third-party cases and motherboards, and the like

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    4. Re:you never? by edalytical · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I meant third-party cases and motherboards
      Why what's wrong with Mac cases? My G4 case, as you know, has a fold down side making upgrades and repairs that mush easier. It also has a place for a pad lock, to keep your ram safe from a would be thief, plus it has an area to attach a cable that will lock the entire computer to something. And don't forget the ever helpful handles. I just wish the G5 case also folded down, oh well, it looks like it's still easy to get inside of.

      Maybe I'm being ignorant, but what's stopping you from using another case?

      What would you gain from using a different logic board?
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    5. Re:you never? by torpor · · Score: 2, Funny

      What would you gain from using a different logic board?

      Just ignore him. All PC users feel the need to replace bits of their computer that they're not happy with.

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    6. Re:you never? by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sure, you can buy graphics cards for the PC that you can't buy for the Mac - yet. Not that most of the hyped features are actually used even by the latest games - and infact won't be until the card is an old hat on the Mac. Nor can you buy Daikatana for the Mac, nor Winmodems, nor a cheap Soundblaster16 compatible card. I feel so left out.

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    7. Re:you never? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Whereas all Mac users, on the other hand, are happy with their computers as they are. The lesson? If you do it right from the start, there won't be any need to dick around with it later.

    8. Re:you never? by Frequency+Domain · · Score: 3, Interesting
      ...the defining feature of a great number of computer users is that they freeze up in the face of anything new or different.
      It's the baby duck syndrome. The first thing you are exposed to is mama, and everything else is a predator trying to eat you.
    9. Re:you never? by proj_2501 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i think PCI sound boards will become a thing of the past.

      the future is USB audio/MIDI interfaces for those who don't need ridiculously low latency and FireWire audio/MIDI interfaces for those that do. even digidesign makes outboard pro tools systems

  2. Expose is worth gold... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I am seriously thinking that there is no better os invention than Expose. NONE - not even the stinking BSD kernel... expose makes my life complete. DONE. D O N E

  3. Wow. by Sevn · · Score: 3, Funny

    Malcolm X would be so proud that Panther is doing so well.

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  4. You mean Panther runs on PCs?!? by PasteEater · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow! It's about time. How long have we been waiting for this!

    I'm going to be really pissed if it doesn't run on my 233 MHz Pentium II though. And does it *really* need 128 megs of RAM? Can't I skate by on 64? And $129? It should be free to anyone who bought a computer in the past three years.

    That's just my small percentage of an opinion.

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  5. Re:5 stars? by Llywelyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Even the GRE Analytical Writing section allows for minor grammar and spelling errors on their 6.0/6.0.

    Me thinks you have an odd notion of "journalistic integrity."

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  6. Re:then what's the point of having the 5th star? by Bastian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really, how many operating systems have you used that didn't have known problems/issues?

  7. Moving beyond Expose, let's talk about Preview... by King+Babar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As expected, the reviewer points out that Expose is really, really cool. More interestingly to me, he also points out that Preview is much improved as well. I used to think it sucked, but now I've made it my default PDF viewer.

    The most exciting thing about Preview, though, is that it's easy to predict that its beautiful new "Find" function will make its way into things like Safari. Seriously, "Find" is so good that it has pretty much changed the way I rifle through the dozens of PDFs of journal articles I have on my disk. Like, I can actually find what I'm looking for. :-)

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  8. My Experience... by blackmonday · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been using Panther for a little less than a week and it's been bliss. Seriously, neither Windows XP or any Linux distro I've ever tried can touch Panther in terms of usability. It's very slick and polished, and blows even Jaguar away with lots of refinements in networking, the aqua GUI, and expose, the feature most likelt to be copied my MS when longhorn comes out.

    The complainers will be the loudest of the bunch, and yes there are a few kinks. But note the firewire problem was an issue with the hardware chipset, not apple's programming. Obviously people like me, the happy ones are not going to get the headlines.

  9. Re:Moving beyond Expose, let's talk about Preview. by MinutiaeMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm *really* hoping that they figure out a way to integrate Preview's PDF-rendering abilities into Safari, so that we can finally have a decent plugin to view PDF's inside the browser on OS X! (I know, there's a couple shareware plugins out there, but those never worked well enough for me.)

  10. Written before the big problems surfaced? by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Magazines have lead times, so it wouldn't be unusual for PC Mag to have evaluated Panther before the lethal firewire and File Vault munching issues became apparent. Perhaps tellingly, the review has such a generic feel that it's not even apparent that PC Mag tried Panther; the piece reads like a regurgitated press release.

    Minus two glaring faults that affect only certain users, Panther looks very good. And Apple will resolve the problems, albeit tardily. But the bottom line is: when you're costing people data loss, do you deserve a 100% rating.

  11. reviews... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...and CNET gave it a 6.8 out of 10. (here) Like most things in life, reviews are all about what you're looking for and what things are important to you. Read as many as possible.

    As for my review... I can't imagine life without it... using Preview this past weekend must have saved me and my fiancee a few hours searching through loads of PDF annual reports. -Rob

  12. Monopoly hardware... by Cpt_Corelli · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would be happy to use OS X on intel / AMD based hardware. In many ways I like it more than Windows XP.

    What I don't like is the fact that Apple is the sole manufacturer of the hardware required to run the OS. Monopolies tend to create weird pricing and reduce innovation. It still seems to be a fact that Apple hardware price/performance ratio is poor compared to intel/amd-based hardware (but let's not go deeper into that dark alley again).

    1. Re:Monopoly hardware... by Demolition · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What I don't like is the fact that Apple is the sole manufacturer of the hardware required to run the OS. Monopolies tend to create weird pricing and reduce innovation.

      Well, I'll concede that Apple's pricing is unappealing, but you must be thinking of some other company (*cough*Microsoft*cough*) when you mention "reduce[d] innovation". I think that even the most strident Apple-hater would agree that Apple's is innovative.

      D.

  13. Re:Moving beyond Expose, let's talk about Preview. by Guy+Harris · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I'm *really* hoping that they figure out a way to integrate Preview's PDF-rendering abilities into Safari, so that we can finally have a decent plugin to view PDF's inside the browser on OS X!

    And I'm really hoping that if they do, they also offer a way to tell Safari not to render PDFs inside the browser - I went through some effort to keep the Acrobat Reader plugin from working on Windows, because, for many PDFs, if it's big enough for me to read, it's too big to fit in a browser window and show the entire page, given all the browser *and* Acrobat Reader toolbars.

  14. Re:then what's the point of having the 5th star? by Rosyna · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't use XP or Win 2k?

    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=k b; [LN];329741

    http://www.mcpmag.com/newsletter/article.asp?Edi to rialsID=156

  15. Am I Missing Something? by otterpop378 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe we've all got ourselves wrapped up in our jargon, but last I checked PC stood for Personal Computer, not "windows-based-personal-computer". Macintosh may be a different platform, but still is a personal computer. Just because we have a cult, doesnt make it something entirely different.
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    However, something somewhat unrelated... I installed Panther on my mac at work on friday, and my co-worker approached me, and was watching the progress and he said "so when do you put in the serial #?" and i said "No serial #". And he looked at me funny, and said "How do they know you aren't giving copies to your friends?" So the only response I could get out was "i guess when the users of a product don't hate the company that makes it, the honor system works."

    1. Re:Am I Missing Something? by deafgreatdane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's because Apple is a hardware company. The only people that can steal their software are the same people who already bought the hardware. And Apple made money from those people already, and will make more money from them the next time they buy a hardware upgrade.

      If Apple were to get draconion with product registration, people would be inclined to find a more convenient computing platform, and that would deprive Apple of hardware sales.

      As it is, the costs for OS updates are simply a way to keep the initial sticker price of their hardware inline with the wintel world. If OSX was true profit center for Apple, they wouldn't give away 5 license family packs for less than the price of 2 single copies.

      And I don't regret any of it: my family has legal licenses of panther on 3 laptops and a G5

  16. Re:Moving beyond Expose, let's talk about Preview. by 1010011010 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hate the whole "open in browser window" thing. I would much rather have the browser download the file and pass it off to another application with its own GUI.

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  17. What the hell are PCs? by cheezus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's obviously moved away from "personal computer". I just generally assume an Intel compatable computer running Microsoft Windows (some might argue that linux runs on a PC... more confusing).

    Why are we letting "personal computer" become synonymous with Windows? That's certainly not good for competitors. Why does Apple say the iPod is available for Mac and PC when they really mean Mac, Windows, and anything else you can hack to work with it.

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    1. Re:What the hell are PCs? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a historical accident. When the IBM PC came out, everyone just started using "PC" to mean "IBM PC." (In fact, didn't IBM try to trademark the name?) When the clones hit, "IBM-compatible" faded fairly quickly, to be replaced by "PC-compatible" or just "PC" -- which of course meant a machine with an Intel (or compatible) processor running MS-DOS. This usage has survived into the Windows era. I don't like it either, but I suspect it's too late to do anything about it.

      Microsoft, of course, has proven far more successful than IBM at taking names that should be generic and turning them into trademarks: Windows, Word, SQL Server, etc. Hell, even "Microsoft" itself is about as generic a name for a software company as I can think of.

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  18. Re:Aqua issue by Alcimedes · · Score: 3, Funny

    hmm, so for each freeze it loses a star....

    man, if you'd reviewed Windows98 it'd have been a -78 stars.

  19. Re:Moving beyond Expose, let's talk about Preview. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I disagree. The find function is nice, but from the most exciting thing about Preview is that it now knows about bookmarks in PDFs, making it very easy to navigate large PDFs quickly. I write a lot using LaTeX (TeXShop is a very nice app for this, by the way) , and regularly deal with documents in the tens or hundreds of pages range. Being able to jump to a specific section quickly makes my life a lot easier. I've always been able to do this with Acrobat Reader, but now I can do so from preview.

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  20. Re:Still waiting for mine by cosmo7 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The new interface functions are really just icing on the cake (not that icing is unwelcome). Panther fixes a number of restrictions facing developers and offers some new widgets. For example, 10.3 allows custom cursors larger than 16 x 16 pixels. There is a new rotary slider control, a new webview, and so on.

    These are features in Panther that will only become apparent as developers release products that use them. By buying Panther you're getting more than is immediately apparent.

  21. Yesterday was my first day of switching by AssFace · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have long hated Macs but as of yesterday, I now own a 15" alum Powerbook.

    I absolutely love this thing and while I still am an admin on a Windows network here at work, I think I am done with Windows on my own.
    I have increasing problems with Windows and having increasingly fewer reasons to hate Macs.
    As of OS X 10.3 and Xcode, I now have very few reasons to dislike it.

    The only few gripes that I have right now are:
    1) The aluminum keyboard feels like dragging my nails on a chalkboard if my nails (esp thumb) hit the hey instead of flesh.

    2) The integrated Google search doesn't have buttons that let me search directly to images and/or discussions, and when the search comes up, there aren't buttons of the words that I just searched for allowing me to search within that document.

    3) Many web pages totally break using Safari - I am going to debug one page that I use all of the time and send the fixes (JavaScript) to the person that maintains it since it is sommething I use daily when analyzing stock charts (well, nightly).

    4) The resolution on this laptop isn't so great - but the screen does look fantastic.

    5) I'm not sure that my backlit keyboard works. It is turned on and no matter what changes I make via F9/F10, I still see no backlighting. Not a huge deal, but still a gripe.

    6) I have yet to figure out where the graphical FTP client is - so far I am largely just treating this like a Linux laptop and using a lot lof command line stuff.

    7) I wish Komodo 2.5 was ported to Mac OS X 10.3 - I really like the way that it deals with Perl.

    8) The trackpad is not responsive - it is almost like accelaration is turned on, but I didn't see anything that would indicate that in any mouse menu.

    9) The single mouse button works if you press in the center, but not if you get it off to one side - which is usually where my thumb is (perhaps out of habit).

    10) I'm still getting used to the kepay layout for shortcuts - fortunately my misstrokes have yet to do anyuthing harmful.

    11) The spell checking thing doesn't let you bring up a quick selection of the word/words that it suggests - innstead you have to open the full spell window and then it wants to continue on - I miss the ability in Windows to right click and the first few words on that menu were the suggested words and you could just choose one and move on.

    12) The iChat thing isn't as configurable as I had hoped. I hear there is another thing out there, I will test it out in a bit.

    But the things I LOVE are:

    1) Its weight - this thing is so light and thin. The battery is tiny and WOW 4+ hours on a charge.

    2) The wireless is fast and VERY easy to setup (no real setup, just turn it on).

    4) Mail app - this thing is great. Nice looking and all the features I want. I love it.

    5) Snappy! Everything is quick on it.

    6) Feels very stable.

    7) FreeBSD command line - nuff said there.

    8) Xcode is cool.

    There is a ton that I have yet to figure out yet, but I really like it so far.

    I am going to try to get OpenOffice on here and Xemacs and then I think I should be all set after I try to bring over my documents from my pc laptop.

    I am also going to benchmark this laptop against my other one and my stateside server to see how it performs - initially will just be running Perl scripts that I use a lot.
    My previous laptop was an Athlon 4 (the mobile chip) 1G, and the server is an Athlon XP 2200+.

    The laptop gets warmer than I had hoped - just to the edge of comfort, if not just over - but it doesn't melt any part of it like my pc laptop is doing now (its heatsink fan is broken - hence why I got a new laptop, will then take my time to fix that one).

    Anyway - I love it - any suggestions from old pro Mac users would be highly welcome as I look for cool new things for my new shiny toy.

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