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McDonald's Billion-Song iTunes Giveaway

camperslo writes "The New York Post online has this story. "Less than a month after Pepsi announced a blockbuster deal to give away 100 million downloads from Apple's iTunes music service to its customers, McDonald's is close to a announcing a much bigger deal"." No matter what you think of iTunes, this is tremendous publicity for music on demand services in general. If the public gets a taste for it, this could be the beginning of the end for the audio CD.

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  1. In other News... by TrekkieGod · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Internet shopping is becoming really widespread. If the public gets a taste for it, this could be the end of malls.

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    1. Re:In other News... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I went shopping recently. I was seconded to another company for a while, and my trip back from work took me past Majestic Wine Warehouse. I walked into the shop, and noticed that they had a bar with a few bottles open, and a sign saying `Tasting Counter. Customers, please help yourselves'. I did, and then browsed for a while. There were a couple of helpful assistants who provided me with advice on what to buy. It was actually an enjoyable experience. As far as I can see, this is the only way in which meat-space shops can compete with their cyber-space counterparts; by providing a value added service. Most shops are absolute hell to visit (it's impossible to find things, staff are useless, and you have to queue for ages to get out), and so any alternative is welcome.

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    2. Re:In other News... by Graff · · Score: 3, Interesting
      And I still like cd quality audio

      CD quality - isn't that some sort of oxymoron? :-)

      Remember that to make a CD they sample the masters at 16 bit and 44 kHz. This is quite a big loss in quality. For iTMS they also encode the music - not from the CD as you would at home, but directly from the masters. They encode it as a 128 kbps, 44kHz AAC file, which ends up sounding pretty close to CD quality. This is because AAC does a great job of keeping the encoded sound close to the original sound, especially when compared to MP3s at 128 kbps.

      I've bought a good deal of tracks from the iTMS and they all sound just about the same as the CD versions. They certainly sound way better than stuff that I've ripped from CD to MP3 at 160 kbps.
  2. McDonalds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Do you want iFries with that?

  3. AAC is nice and all... by sweeney37 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this could be the beginning of the end for the audio CD.

    ...but what if you like the audio CD? what if you prefer lossless music, with coverart, booklet and printed media you can hold in your hand?

    Mike

    1. Re:AAC is nice and all... by webslacker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's kind of hard to complain about this when it's a free for the customer.

      It's a lot easier distributing 1 billion songs online than 70 million cd's.

    2. Re:AAC is nice and all... by dabadab · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sorry to break it to you, but vinyl is also not lossless. There is still a margin of error in the production (and you can not go below the size of the vinyl (or whatever LPs are actually made of) molecule anyway).
      And if you take into consideration that you CAN NOT get back EXACTLY from vinyl what was written to it, while with a CD this is perfectly possible, you should doubly reconsider your statement.

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    3. Re:AAC is nice and all... by cens0r · · Score: 3, Informative

      Technically a CD is lossless. It uses sampling, but nyquist says that by using 44.1 KHz sampling frequency we can reproduce everything from 0 Hz to 22.05 KHz exactly. Now we are ignoring the frequencies above 22 KHz so I guess you can count that as loss, but it's not really called such. Now AAC, MP3, WMA, etc all throw out frequencies in the audible band, never to be heard from again. You can never reconstruct the same signal hence lossy.

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    4. Re:AAC is nice and all... by Blimey85 · · Score: 4, Funny
      That's why I only have live audiences in my car for the commute to work and at home when I relax. Just last night I had Metallica over for a set and a few nights ago Linkin Park stopped by and performed on my long commute to work. Was pretty cramped in my little car but they managed.

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    5. Re:AAC is nice and all... by ipxodi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And that square foot record cover was much better for sifting the seeds out of weed. (and double albums were better still...)

      But then only the older slashdotters have any idea I'm talking about.....

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    6. Re:AAC is nice and all... by hondo77 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just last night I had Metallica over for a set...

      Now that Lars is using a pie tin for his kit, this is actually possible.

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    7. Re:AAC is nice and all... by eXtro · · Score: 5, Informative

      A CD is lossy. Nyquist says that your sampling frequency has to be at least twice as high as the bandwidth of your signal. The lossiness comes in due to the band limiting that is done to avoid anti-aliasing. Any frequencies above 22 KHz are filtered out, so if the highest frequencies of your music are pure sinusoids then yes, it would be lossless, but if they're non-sinusoidal then you will have losses. Consider a 20 KHz square wave. It's below the 22 KHz cutoff so it will be duplicated perfectly, correct? Nope. The 20 KHz square wave is made up of higher frequency sinusoidal waves: 20 KHz sine wave, 60 KHz sine wave, 100 KHz sine wave and so on. Your 20 KHz square wave will be reproduced as a 20 KHz sine wave instead.

      You're also lossy because the amplitude of your signal is discrete. The voltage of your waveform can't take on any voltage, only one of 2^16th (from memory) discrete values. That's another form of signal loss.

      I still believe that a CD has higher fidelity sound than any vinyl I've heard. Maybe if you spend enough cash and get some very specialized equipment and special albums you'll have higher quality sound, but I'm not personally willing to spend that much money.

    8. Re:AAC is nice and all... by Detritus · · Score: 4, Informative
      Must... restrain... fist of death...

      Anyway, grab a spectrum analyzer and look at the signal. What's the difference between a 20 kHz sine wave and a 20 kHz square wave? The 20 kHz square wave is composed of a 20 kHz sine wave (the fundamental) and odd-order harmonics at 60 kHz, 100 kHz etc. I don't care how golden your ears are, unless you are a bat, you will never be able to hear the odd-order harmonics of a 20 kHz square wave. As far as human perception is concerned, the 20 kHz sine wave and 20 kHz square wave are indistinguishable.

      The 16-bit ADC (analog to digital converter) introduces quantization noise, but the SQNR (signal to quantization noise ratio) is 96 dB. With properly mastered program material, the quantization noise is inaudible.

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  4. gasp! by Theaetetus · · Score: 5, Funny
    Both Pepsi and McDonald's are paying Apple's retail price of 99 cents per song, sources say. And McDonald's has arranged to buy up to a billion songs to meet customer demand.

    A spokesperson for Apple declined comment...

    ... because they were busy hyperventilating into a paper bag. A muffled "woohoo" could be heard.

    -T

  5. So far, Apple and McDonalds haven't confirmed by burgburgburg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not saying this isn't going through. I'd be very happy if it did. I'm just saying that having the NY Post as the sole source of your business news piece isn't confidence inspiring.

  6. Re:What better way to..... by webslacker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Except for the fact that a lot of good indie labels and songs are on iTunes now as well.

  7. Other terms of the deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The iMac will now be re-released in a larger size to be known as the Big iMac.

  8. Yay! by DrEldarion · · Score: 4, Funny

    McDonalds has been giving away a lot of stuff lately. Right now on fries they're giving out $1 coupons (stackable!) for Best Buy. My love for electronics is going to make me fat.

  9. I guess that's as close as Mc Donalds Will get by Im+A+Wack+Job · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess that's as close as Mc Donalds will get to selling an Apple.

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  10. What they didn't tell you by sulli · · Score: 4, Funny
    was that they're giving away McDonald's jingles as the songs.

    You can pick new-skool hits like "I'm lovin' it" and "We love to see you smile," or go back to the old days with "At McDonald's, we do it all for you," "Keep your eyes on your fries," and "Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a sesame seed bun."

    Perhaps Coca-Cola will get in on the deal? "Ain't nothing but the real thing," "Coke is it!," "I'd like to teach the world to sing" and of course "Always Coca-Cola" are big hits in the beverage world.

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  11. Re:Can you pick the song? by strech · · Score: 3, Informative

    -> You get to choose the song.

    (reference: http://www.macnews.com/2003/10/16/applepepsi )

    -> For Pepsi, it's one in 3 bottles that will have the code. They're selling 300 million bottles as part of the promotion, 100 million of them will have the codes in.

    -> Cans aren't part of the promotion. Just 20-ounce and one liter.

    -> McDonald's hasn't said anything about how they would be giving them away.

  12. Re:What better way to..... by NaugaHunter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Talk about jumping to conclusions. If they give away 'song credits' (so to speak), then they can be used on any $.99 song. So while Britney fans might go straight to her albums, presumably they'll have all of the available music. Maybe they'll follow the 'also bought' links and find something new.

    On a (semi-)related note, I'm still waiting for the 6-Degrees-Of-Also-Bought. You know, people who bought A also bought B; people who bought B also bought C; people who bought C bought the Soundtrack to Flashdance with Kevin Bacon.

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  13. McDonald's: No Deal To Announce by amanpatelhotmail.com · · Score: 5, Informative
    This from macrumors:

    MacMinute notes a statement from McDonald's regarding today's rumor about the McDonald's and iTunes giveaway.

    According to McDonalds, "There are no agreements to announce, so anything else is pure speculation."

    McDonald's goes on to say that they are continuing to pursue "bold new initiatives in the areas of music, sports, fashion and entertainment" and that news can be expected in the coming weeks to months.

  14. Re:"it is unclear how McDonalds" by ChicagoBiker · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "It is unclear how McDonalds will use the free downloads in a promotional campaign"

    Whatever journalist wrote this should be sent home without lunch!

    What the hell do you mean unclear?

    Here, let's take a stab; Pepsi Co. announces 1 million song giveaway via redeemable codes on their three main product bottle caps. 1 in 3 caps will have a code valued at $0.99. Hundreds of thousands of iTunes Music Store users are now poised and ready to only drink and purchase Pepsi, Diet Pepsi and Sierra Mist for the duration of the promotion because there really is no reason to purchase any other product since none of them are possibly giving you back $3 worth of music per 6 pack!

    McDonalds announces promotion where the purchase of any combo meal will include a peel off sticker on the french fry container with 1 code redeemable for a free song valued at $0.99 at the ITMS. Promotion to continue until 1 billion free songs are given away. Millions of iTunes Music Store customers now opt for lunch at McDonalds since it's the only fast food offering where a $4 happy meal includes a $1 song reward. There's no reason to eat at Burger King.

    You can watch for these bottle caps and happy meal stickers to be auctioned off enmase on eBay about 3 hours after the first promotion starts.

    Collecting iTunes Music Store free song promotion codes will become the new baseball card of the 2004 summer.

  15. McDonald's denies the rumor by Therlin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to this article, McDonald's is denying the rumor by saying "There are no agreements to announce, so anything else is pure speculation."

  16. Re:What better way to..... by justinkim · · Score: 5, Funny

    You are so brave to admit you like Yanni. I am in awe ;)

  17. Re:What better way to..... by Graff · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I highly doubt they are going to be kind enough to give away just ANY free download. I'm sure they are already entered talks with various record labels about which bands will get pushed.

    Well considering that the deal between Apple and Pepsi allow you to use the credit on any song you want, I am betting that the McDonalds deal is going to be similar.
  18. But are CD's really lossless? by dbirchall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I seem to recall some jaded audiophiles griping about how limited digital sound was... ;)

  19. Why spread FUD? by nullard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are inventing restrictions of the giveaway with no basis in fact. You make a statement about how you "doubt they are going to be kind enough to give away just ANY free download." You then use that statement to back up your belief that "they are already entered talks with various record labels about which bands will get pushed." Why spread FUD?

    The previous arrangement with Pepsi lets you download whatever you want. Apple has stated repeatedly that they want to give all labels equal exposure (as in you can't buy better placement) in the Music Store.

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  20. Re:What better way to..... by Graff · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The iTMS to me seems to support the hit single method to producing music. Record one hit song, sell millions of copies...Record one song that flop, bye bye...

    Maybe, maybe not. The last figures I saw showed that 45% of sales were toward full album purchases. iTunes is selling a lot of singles, but there are also a good deal of whole albums being sold.

    Not only that but this will actually serve to push albums back into the main stream. It will no longer be profitable for a band to have 1 or 2 good songs and then poop out 9 mediocre ones to fill an album. Now if you want to sell an entire album you will make an entire album of quality songs. Those bands that concentrate on the super singles will find themselves left in the dust, since a single makes 1/10th the amount a full album does.
  21. Consider the source! by TopShelf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd wait for confirmation before getting all excited about this. Isn't the NY Post the paper that printed an editorial congratulating the Red Sox on beating the Yankees in the ALCS? Perhaps it's really Burger King that's giving out Hillary Rosen action figures instead...

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  22. End of CD is here - in The Netherlands by Animaether · · Score: 5, Insightful
    this could be the beginning of the end for the audio CD


    According to Dutch news, DVD sales have exceeded CD-Audio sales this year.

    One popular Dutch artist is actually going to stop putting his music on CD, going DVD-only. (only returning to CD if DVD sales, against expectancy, aren't high enough)

    There's several reasons for this
    - DVDs cost about as much as DVD-audios here
    - You get a LOT more value for money (various performances, videos, interviews, etc.)
    - They think it's a little bump in the way of piracy.

    The latter, as far as the music goes, is of course pointless to the educated masses.

    But given the choice between

    A. an 'expensive' DVD-R, spending quite a bit of time downloading the content, and optionally printing things out

    or

    B. the original without all the fuss, for not all *that* much money

    I think B is going to be a choice for many.

    The end of CD audio, at least here, started when people realized they were getting little value for money when compared to alternatives such as DVDs.
  23. First Free Download.... by telstar · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I Like Big Butts"

  24. It's better than a McDonald's/RIAA partnership by onthefenceman · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can see the slogans now: Billions and billions served...with subpoenas.

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  25. Less Overhead for Apple this way? by Silas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if it's less overhead for Apple to do it this way. When I buy a song with my credit card from the store directly, some small percentage of the $0.99 must be going towards credit card fees, etc. When they do it through retail vendors like McDonalds and Pepsi, they probably get a fat (overhead-free) check from those folks, who in turn absorb the overhead of collecting that cash.

    Sure, there are other costs invovlved in managing that kind of program, but if Apple sets it up well, they could actually be increasing their profit by making the retail vendors pay for some of those costs.