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McDonald's Billion-Song iTunes Giveaway

camperslo writes "The New York Post online has this story. "Less than a month after Pepsi announced a blockbuster deal to give away 100 million downloads from Apple's iTunes music service to its customers, McDonald's is close to a announcing a much bigger deal"." No matter what you think of iTunes, this is tremendous publicity for music on demand services in general. If the public gets a taste for it, this could be the beginning of the end for the audio CD.

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  1. In other News... by TrekkieGod · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Internet shopping is becoming really widespread. If the public gets a taste for it, this could be the end of malls.

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    1. Re:In other News... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I went shopping recently. I was seconded to another company for a while, and my trip back from work took me past Majestic Wine Warehouse. I walked into the shop, and noticed that they had a bar with a few bottles open, and a sign saying `Tasting Counter. Customers, please help yourselves'. I did, and then browsed for a while. There were a couple of helpful assistants who provided me with advice on what to buy. It was actually an enjoyable experience. As far as I can see, this is the only way in which meat-space shops can compete with their cyber-space counterparts; by providing a value added service. Most shops are absolute hell to visit (it's impossible to find things, staff are useless, and you have to queue for ages to get out), and so any alternative is welcome.

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    2. Re:In other News... by Graff · · Score: 3, Interesting
      And I still like cd quality audio

      CD quality - isn't that some sort of oxymoron? :-)

      Remember that to make a CD they sample the masters at 16 bit and 44 kHz. This is quite a big loss in quality. For iTMS they also encode the music - not from the CD as you would at home, but directly from the masters. They encode it as a 128 kbps, 44kHz AAC file, which ends up sounding pretty close to CD quality. This is because AAC does a great job of keeping the encoded sound close to the original sound, especially when compared to MP3s at 128 kbps.

      I've bought a good deal of tracks from the iTMS and they all sound just about the same as the CD versions. They certainly sound way better than stuff that I've ripped from CD to MP3 at 160 kbps.
    3. Re:In other News... by searleb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And you'll have it. Apple may only give you compressed files now, but the only difference to them between AAC files and FLAC is a little bit of bandwidth. Just because it's not on a CD does not mean that isn't CD quality.

      Furthermore, what we're talking about isn't necessarily the death of CDs, but the death of the album format. What's interesting about iTunes is that it gets around having to use a privately manufactured physical-ness for music. As a result, there's no need to package songs together into a single purchasing item. The transfer medium (bandwidth) is so cheap that each song can be sold on it's own instead of in a group. You don't have to press a new record or a new CD for each song. This is huge because the album format goes back to printing records on acetate back in the 20s. Really it goes back further to when travelling musicians had repertoires and you wouldn't buy a song, you'd buy an evening of music.

      For instance, music stores could be made into iTunes hubs which have access to a private iTunes databank of FLAC files. Can you imagine going to the music store and downloading 10 singles you choose from their local iTunes database directly onto your iPod?

      Now what about having the music store make CD-Rs of the 10 singles for you in the store?

    4. Re:In other News... by Graff · · Score: 2, Insightful
      A CD is closer to the original than the AAC file, period. End of story. It might sound OK to you, but it is not technically or mathematically better.

      Remember that the 44 kHz sampling rate of the AIFF files on a CD is based on the theory that you need to sample at double the rate of the frequencies that you are attempting to measure in order to capture the waveform adequately. This is known as the Nyquist Frequency.

      The problem is that this theory is actually intended as a "best-case" scenario where the signal is formed of all sinusoidal waves. In the real-world audio signals are often formed of extremely non-sinusoidal waves and thus they still have a lot of aliasing at 44 kHz sampling. Encoding formats such as AAC and MP3 do a better job of encoding a signal than straight sampling at 44 kHz because they can vary the sampling rate at various frequencies in order to better fit the original waveforms rather than just blindly sampling them and aliasing.

      Yes AAC and MP3 "throw out" some of the data but so does a 16 bit, 44 kHz AIFF encoding. The difference is that both AAC and MP3 are designed to throw out data that is inaudible or barely audible and faithfully record the data that we can hear the best. AIFF encoding "throws out" the data in a blindly mechanical manner rather than doing so intelligently and thus can result in varying sound quality levels.

      Which, in the end, is better? They all do a decent job but in the end it is up to your personal preferences. I find AIFF audio to be a bit tinny and AAC audio to be warmer, on the other hand AAC audio sometimes sounds over-saturated and AIFF doesn't seem to do that as much. It is all very subjective but don't begin to pretend that it is all as easy as a simple mathematical comparison.
  2. McDonalds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Do you want iFries with that?

  3. AAC is nice and all... by sweeney37 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this could be the beginning of the end for the audio CD.

    ...but what if you like the audio CD? what if you prefer lossless music, with coverart, booklet and printed media you can hold in your hand?

    Mike

    1. Re:AAC is nice and all... by webslacker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's kind of hard to complain about this when it's a free for the customer.

      It's a lot easier distributing 1 billion songs online than 70 million cd's.

    2. Re:AAC is nice and all... by wildchild07770 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is why there'll always be a hard-copy version of music and much the same reason why E-Books never took off. People like the tactile quality of owning something.

    3. Re:AAC is nice and all... by dabadab · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sorry to break it to you, but vinyl is also not lossless. There is still a margin of error in the production (and you can not go below the size of the vinyl (or whatever LPs are actually made of) molecule anyway).
      And if you take into consideration that you CAN NOT get back EXACTLY from vinyl what was written to it, while with a CD this is perfectly possible, you should doubly reconsider your statement.

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    4. Re:AAC is nice and all... by cens0r · · Score: 3, Informative

      Technically a CD is lossless. It uses sampling, but nyquist says that by using 44.1 KHz sampling frequency we can reproduce everything from 0 Hz to 22.05 KHz exactly. Now we are ignoring the frequencies above 22 KHz so I guess you can count that as loss, but it's not really called such. Now AAC, MP3, WMA, etc all throw out frequencies in the audible band, never to be heard from again. You can never reconstruct the same signal hence lossy.

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    5. Re:AAC is nice and all... by cens0r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can still purchase almost every new release on vinyl. You just have to know where to shop. My problem with vinyl is that to actually make it sound better than a CD you have to spend alot of money. I paid about $200 for my turntable and phono stage. It doesn't sound as good as CD. I don't think it would be worth it for me to spend a lot more money to slightly imporve the sound of the CD. Now maybe when DVD-A or SACD take off.

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    6. Re:AAC is nice and all... by Blimey85 · · Score: 4, Funny
      That's why I only have live audiences in my car for the commute to work and at home when I relax. Just last night I had Metallica over for a set and a few nights ago Linkin Park stopped by and performed on my long commute to work. Was pretty cramped in my little car but they managed.

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    7. Re:AAC is nice and all... by ipxodi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And that square foot record cover was much better for sifting the seeds out of weed. (and double albums were better still...)

      But then only the older slashdotters have any idea I'm talking about.....

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    8. Re:AAC is nice and all... by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 2, Funny

      But what if you want to purchase music in your underwear and have it in your possession instantly?

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    9. Re:AAC is nice and all... by hondo77 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just last night I had Metallica over for a set...

      Now that Lars is using a pie tin for his kit, this is actually possible.

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    10. Re:AAC is nice and all... by VividU · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know you really want to believe what your saying. I wish it were true also. But the sad secret truth of vinyl releases is that they are pressed from digital masters. So you can be sure that any vinyl release came from a digital source. Its very rare these days for a major vinyl release to be completly anaglog from start to finish.

      Its very rare for a vinyl pressing to follow this old-school signal train:

      Analog 2" 24 trk -> 2" Master -> Vinyl Master -> Vinyl Release

      More likely its this:

      2" 24 trk (or ProTools) -> DAT Master (or HD) -> Vinyl Master -> Vinyl Release.

      A lot of rock band still want to track 2" analog but its gonna get digitized at some point. No question.

      If you know of otherwise, I'd love to know what releases were completly analog from start to vinyl finish.

      Also, "lossless" isnt the best word to use for vinyl. Use "analog". There is no such thing as a lossless recording medium. Lossless is subjective word. Vinyl a limited dynamic range when compared to digital. Much more limited. So in that respect, you "lose" much more information. But vinyls can capture more "information" in its working dynamic range. Thats why its good for rock n' roll - all those harmonic distortions in the guitars are perfect for analog. You'd need a realy good setup to hear it though.

      The best way to hear music is fresh off the 24" track 2" deck in the recording studio during mixdown. Everything else is inferior.

    11. Re:AAC is nice and all... by eXtro · · Score: 5, Informative

      A CD is lossy. Nyquist says that your sampling frequency has to be at least twice as high as the bandwidth of your signal. The lossiness comes in due to the band limiting that is done to avoid anti-aliasing. Any frequencies above 22 KHz are filtered out, so if the highest frequencies of your music are pure sinusoids then yes, it would be lossless, but if they're non-sinusoidal then you will have losses. Consider a 20 KHz square wave. It's below the 22 KHz cutoff so it will be duplicated perfectly, correct? Nope. The 20 KHz square wave is made up of higher frequency sinusoidal waves: 20 KHz sine wave, 60 KHz sine wave, 100 KHz sine wave and so on. Your 20 KHz square wave will be reproduced as a 20 KHz sine wave instead.

      You're also lossy because the amplitude of your signal is discrete. The voltage of your waveform can't take on any voltage, only one of 2^16th (from memory) discrete values. That's another form of signal loss.

      I still believe that a CD has higher fidelity sound than any vinyl I've heard. Maybe if you spend enough cash and get some very specialized equipment and special albums you'll have higher quality sound, but I'm not personally willing to spend that much money.

    12. Re:AAC is nice and all... by pediddle · · Score: 2, Funny

      Recordings cannot reproduce the nuances of a live performance. Go with concert tickets.

      Amplifiers cannot reproduce the nuances of accoustic instruments. Learn to play piano.

    13. Re:AAC is nice and all... by Detritus · · Score: 4, Informative
      Must... restrain... fist of death...

      Anyway, grab a spectrum analyzer and look at the signal. What's the difference between a 20 kHz sine wave and a 20 kHz square wave? The 20 kHz square wave is composed of a 20 kHz sine wave (the fundamental) and odd-order harmonics at 60 kHz, 100 kHz etc. I don't care how golden your ears are, unless you are a bat, you will never be able to hear the odd-order harmonics of a 20 kHz square wave. As far as human perception is concerned, the 20 kHz sine wave and 20 kHz square wave are indistinguishable.

      The 16-bit ADC (analog to digital converter) introduces quantization noise, but the SQNR (signal to quantization noise ratio) is 96 dB. With properly mastered program material, the quantization noise is inaudible.

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    14. Re:AAC is nice and all... by psp · · Score: 2, Informative

      The sound quality is better

      Now, which part of the vinyl experience do you find "better"? Is it the rather limited signal-to-noise ratio (50-55dB vs. at least 95dB for a descent CD player)? Or is it the "warm analogue feeling" of the sound that comes from the non-linear frequency response?

      I have yet to find a serious (not written by another enthusiast who finds $75/m cables essential to the sound) article that finds the sound from LP superior to that of CD.

      Regarding the lossiness of CD's; yes, CD's are lossy. No, 16 bits are not enough for the human ear. But it is not like a vinyl record is a great format for storing audio information.

      Saying that studios generally prefer analogue recording (and that it gives better sound) is just plain silly. Studios use Pro Tools. Which happens to record in 24 bits and 192kHz, although 96kHz is commonly used. Then the recording is dithered to 16 bits and 44kHz in the CD mastering process.

      In my experience, studios that analogue recording equipment simply cannot afford a good Pro Tools setup.

  4. I'll take a #2 by Dugsmyname · · Score: 2, Interesting

    -I'd like a #2 with a Diet Coke... Supersize and 2 iTunes tracks please.

    -That'll be $4.59 for the meal, and $2.00 for the music, please drive-thru.

    -Sweeeet!

  5. gasp! by Theaetetus · · Score: 5, Funny
    Both Pepsi and McDonald's are paying Apple's retail price of 99 cents per song, sources say. And McDonald's has arranged to buy up to a billion songs to meet customer demand.

    A spokesperson for Apple declined comment...

    ... because they were busy hyperventilating into a paper bag. A muffled "woohoo" could be heard.

    -T

    1. Re:gasp! by Schnapple · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well let's see:

      1,000,000,000 songs at $.99 each is $990,000,000

      Of course, from what we've learned, with major record labels, the label keeps $.80 of the price, so this deal, if every single song is redeemed and done so on a RIAA song (I don't know that all RIAA labels keep the $.80 but it might be a safe assumption), then the RIAA labels make $800,000,000 off of this deal.

      And Apple makes $190,000,000. Not chump change, but nowhere near a billion dollars. Plus Apple has to pay for bandwidth and hardware to meet that demand (I think a billion downloads would fry even well-ventilated Beowulf clusters, to say nothing of G5's).

      Still, perhaps this is the economy of scale boost needed to finally win over the old RIAA.

      And to think it all came from McDonald's and Pepsi.

  6. Bahh, boring.... by jea6 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Kazaa, LimeWire, et al. have long had the billion song download giveaway.

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  7. So far, Apple and McDonalds haven't confirmed by burgburgburg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not saying this isn't going through. I'd be very happy if it did. I'm just saying that having the NY Post as the sole source of your business news piece isn't confidence inspiring.

    1. Re:So far, Apple and McDonalds haven't confirmed by jvervloet · · Score: 2, Informative
  8. Re:What better way to..... by webslacker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Except for the fact that a lot of good indie labels and songs are on iTunes now as well.

  9. But... by wildchild07770 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is retrieving your songs going to require signing up for the service? Which includes credit card information. Also what if then the redemption goes wrong (you entere a code wrong/etc..) and you have millions of people getting billed for songs they thought were going to be free? Giveaways like this serve to increase a user-base out of which many will never return.

  10. I announce 2 bln. songs giveaway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Available immediately, just login to Kazaa.

  11. Other terms of the deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The iMac will now be re-released in a larger size to be known as the Big iMac.

  12. Yay! by DrEldarion · · Score: 4, Funny

    McDonalds has been giving away a lot of stuff lately. Right now on fries they're giving out $1 coupons (stackable!) for Best Buy. My love for electronics is going to make me fat.

    1. Re:Yay! by iconian · · Score: 2, Funny

      How long before someone decides to sue Apple for making them fat?

  13. I guess that's as close as Mc Donalds Will get by Im+A+Wack+Job · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess that's as close as Mc Donalds will get to selling an Apple.

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    1. Re:I guess that's as close as Mc Donalds Will get by eulevik · · Score: 2, Informative

      McDonalds do sell apples. Real ones; healthy food.

      75c cents here in Sydney.

  14. Step-in-the-right-direction Dept.? by Murdock037 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How's that?

    I like my CDs. I like being able to take something home from the store, and having something in my hand in case my computer crashes.

    It's nice that iTunes is getting publicity-- it's a great service, it really is. But I don't want the CD format to die, and I don't think most consumers do, either.

    The advantage of iTunes is choice beyond the traditional ways of buying music. What makes the online music phenomenon nice is the flexibility, not simply the elimination of physical media.

  15. Re:What better way to..... by GoofyBoy · · Score: 2, Funny

    McDonalds encourages culinary mediocrity so what do you expect?

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  16. Re:What better way to..... by MrCaseyB · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes except for the fact that they always manage to screw up my lunch order. Rather then giving me britney spears, knowing my luck I would get Yanni Live At The Acropolis

  17. Yikes! by FrostedWheat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    this could be the beginning of the end for the audio CD

    I really hope not! At least with CD's I can still rip to whatever audio format I prefer, in whatever quality level I wan't. Can't do what with AAC files. (Well you could, but transcoding music can degrade the quality quite a bit)

    It's also nice having something real, instead of a file that you may or may not own. Or worse, can disappear or become unplayable for who knows what reason they'd cook up.

  18. They scrapped the other campaign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It featured the Hamburglar stealing songs from the internet.

  19. What they didn't tell you by sulli · · Score: 4, Funny
    was that they're giving away McDonald's jingles as the songs.

    You can pick new-skool hits like "I'm lovin' it" and "We love to see you smile," or go back to the old days with "At McDonald's, we do it all for you," "Keep your eyes on your fries," and "Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a sesame seed bun."

    Perhaps Coca-Cola will get in on the deal? "Ain't nothing but the real thing," "Coke is it!," "I'd like to teach the world to sing" and of course "Always Coca-Cola" are big hits in the beverage world.

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  20. I don't know whether to cheer or vomit by bigwavejas · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is it just me or does that pic of Ronald just scare the hell outta U :) Heeeeeere's Ronald! Fahrenheit 451, he's got cameras for eyes

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  21. Re:Can you pick the song? by strech · · Score: 3, Informative

    -> You get to choose the song.

    (reference: http://www.macnews.com/2003/10/16/applepepsi )

    -> For Pepsi, it's one in 3 bottles that will have the code. They're selling 300 million bottles as part of the promotion, 100 million of them will have the codes in.

    -> Cans aren't part of the promotion. Just 20-ounce and one liter.

    -> McDonald's hasn't said anything about how they would be giving them away.

  22. Re:What better way to..... by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

    Britney Spears is a happy meal ...

    And word on the street is that she's been "super sized."

    KFG

  23. Re:What better way to..... by NaugaHunter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Talk about jumping to conclusions. If they give away 'song credits' (so to speak), then they can be used on any $.99 song. So while Britney fans might go straight to her albums, presumably they'll have all of the available music. Maybe they'll follow the 'also bought' links and find something new.

    On a (semi-)related note, I'm still waiting for the 6-Degrees-Of-Also-Bought. You know, people who bought A also bought B; people who bought B also bought C; people who bought C bought the Soundtrack to Flashdance with Kevin Bacon.

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  24. Did you even read the article? by oneiros27 · · Score: 2, Informative
    If you had read the article, you'd have seen that it stated:
    Both Pepsi and McDonald's are paying Apple's retail price of 99 cents per song, sources say. ... But because not all customers will take advantage of the offer, McDonald's actual spending on the campaign will probably be in the hundreds of millions of dollars
    Why is there this extreme rush to get a first post?

    [Yeah, yeah, I know, just moderate me down as a troll or flamebait already, I don't care, and it still doesn't change the fact that people want to see their names in print that they're willing to post things that show they're being lazy and/or ignorant]
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  25. McDonald's: No Deal To Announce by amanpatelhotmail.com · · Score: 5, Informative
    This from macrumors:

    MacMinute notes a statement from McDonald's regarding today's rumor about the McDonald's and iTunes giveaway.

    According to McDonalds, "There are no agreements to announce, so anything else is pure speculation."

    McDonald's goes on to say that they are continuing to pursue "bold new initiatives in the areas of music, sports, fashion and entertainment" and that news can be expected in the coming weeks to months.

  26. Just means more for the Beatles Apple label.. by adeyadey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    to get hold of when they win their lawsuit against Apple for stealing their name..

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  27. Re:"it is unclear how McDonalds" by ChicagoBiker · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "It is unclear how McDonalds will use the free downloads in a promotional campaign"

    Whatever journalist wrote this should be sent home without lunch!

    What the hell do you mean unclear?

    Here, let's take a stab; Pepsi Co. announces 1 million song giveaway via redeemable codes on their three main product bottle caps. 1 in 3 caps will have a code valued at $0.99. Hundreds of thousands of iTunes Music Store users are now poised and ready to only drink and purchase Pepsi, Diet Pepsi and Sierra Mist for the duration of the promotion because there really is no reason to purchase any other product since none of them are possibly giving you back $3 worth of music per 6 pack!

    McDonalds announces promotion where the purchase of any combo meal will include a peel off sticker on the french fry container with 1 code redeemable for a free song valued at $0.99 at the ITMS. Promotion to continue until 1 billion free songs are given away. Millions of iTunes Music Store customers now opt for lunch at McDonalds since it's the only fast food offering where a $4 happy meal includes a $1 song reward. There's no reason to eat at Burger King.

    You can watch for these bottle caps and happy meal stickers to be auctioned off enmase on eBay about 3 hours after the first promotion starts.

    Collecting iTunes Music Store free song promotion codes will become the new baseball card of the 2004 summer.

  28. McDonald's denies the rumor by Therlin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to this article, McDonald's is denying the rumor by saying "There are no agreements to announce, so anything else is pure speculation."

  29. Re:How to get people to pay for music: give it awa by gamgee5273 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Dude, you don't get it...think about it:

    In Spring, 2004, there you are. You just picked up a case of Pepsi this past weekend and are eating at Mickey D's for lunch a couple of days that week...

    Now you suddenly have six or seven of the iTunes giveaways. You go, check it out and find a few songs you want off, let's say, OutKast's new album. Then you go and check Amazon or Best Buy and think "Hey! With these freebies, I can get this album for 1/2 off what I would spend at the store!"

    Then you're hooked.

    The iTunes store is addictive - let me tell you. I've been very controlled on there and I've bought over $60 worth of music since it was unveiled for the Mac. I know others who have spent over $500 on music from there.

    So, yes, you get people to pay for music by giving them a freebie. Who doesn't do that? You get the new Gillette razor in the mail, you get samples at the super market, your dealer gives you a free nickel bag... ;)

  30. Re:What better way to..... by justinkim · · Score: 5, Funny

    You are so brave to admit you like Yanni. I am in awe ;)

  31. McDonalds replaces the Millions of deleted MP3s by MrCaseyB · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess McD's was so heart broken about all those poor users deleting their music files

    They just had to step in and lend a hand. Perhaps this is a new direction for the Ronald McDonald House Charity, giving back to all the poor soles who one way or another lost their music :o(.

  32. Re:What better way to..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    >I could see myself eating there more often, even though the food tastes like masking tape.

    Dude, 3M is SO sueing your ass now.

  33. Re:What better way to..... by Graff · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I highly doubt they are going to be kind enough to give away just ANY free download. I'm sure they are already entered talks with various record labels about which bands will get pushed.

    Well considering that the deal between Apple and Pepsi allow you to use the credit on any song you want, I am betting that the McDonalds deal is going to be similar.
  34. Re:What better way to..... by David+Hume · · Score: 2, Funny

    You wouldn't RATHER have Yanni than Britney? YLATA is actually a pretty good album! Great background music.


    Yes, I'd rather "have" Britney than Yanni. As to whose music I'd rather listen to, I'm still thinking.....
  35. But are CD's really lossless? by dbirchall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I seem to recall some jaded audiophiles griping about how limited digital sound was... ;)

  36. Re:What better way to..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The word is _gay_, not brave.

  37. Re:What better way to..... by meta-monkey · · Score: 2, Informative

    Good idea! However, you lose this round. Kevin Bacon was in Footloose, not Flashdance.

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  38. Why spread FUD? by nullard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are inventing restrictions of the giveaway with no basis in fact. You make a statement about how you "doubt they are going to be kind enough to give away just ANY free download." You then use that statement to back up your belief that "they are already entered talks with various record labels about which bands will get pushed." Why spread FUD?

    The previous arrangement with Pepsi lets you download whatever you want. Apple has stated repeatedly that they want to give all labels equal exposure (as in you can't buy better placement) in the Music Store.

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  39. Re:What better way to..... by Graff · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The iTMS to me seems to support the hit single method to producing music. Record one hit song, sell millions of copies...Record one song that flop, bye bye...

    Maybe, maybe not. The last figures I saw showed that 45% of sales were toward full album purchases. iTunes is selling a lot of singles, but there are also a good deal of whole albums being sold.

    Not only that but this will actually serve to push albums back into the main stream. It will no longer be profitable for a band to have 1 or 2 good songs and then poop out 9 mediocre ones to fill an album. Now if you want to sell an entire album you will make an entire album of quality songs. Those bands that concentrate on the super singles will find themselves left in the dust, since a single makes 1/10th the amount a full album does.
  40. Consider the source! by TopShelf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd wait for confirmation before getting all excited about this. Isn't the NY Post the paper that printed an editorial congratulating the Red Sox on beating the Yankees in the ALCS? Perhaps it's really Burger King that's giving out Hillary Rosen action figures instead...

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  41. Re:What better way to..... by TCaptain · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, How DARE he say masking tape tastes that bad?

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  42. End of CD is here - in The Netherlands by Animaether · · Score: 5, Insightful
    this could be the beginning of the end for the audio CD


    According to Dutch news, DVD sales have exceeded CD-Audio sales this year.

    One popular Dutch artist is actually going to stop putting his music on CD, going DVD-only. (only returning to CD if DVD sales, against expectancy, aren't high enough)

    There's several reasons for this
    - DVDs cost about as much as DVD-audios here
    - You get a LOT more value for money (various performances, videos, interviews, etc.)
    - They think it's a little bump in the way of piracy.

    The latter, as far as the music goes, is of course pointless to the educated masses.

    But given the choice between

    A. an 'expensive' DVD-R, spending quite a bit of time downloading the content, and optionally printing things out

    or

    B. the original without all the fuss, for not all *that* much money

    I think B is going to be a choice for many.

    The end of CD audio, at least here, started when people realized they were getting little value for money when compared to alternatives such as DVDs.
  43. Not the end of CDs! by lsoth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Downloading music won't kill the audio CD. There are many audiophiles out there that spend lots of $$$ on high quality sound equipment. Downloaded music quality won't (in the near future) come anywhere close to the quality of the CD.

    Additionally with the new formats of digital audio media coming (like Super AudioCD) it's not likely that the size of the audio will decrease. There will ALWAYS be a market for the actual media. Look at the record itself... It's still around (mostly because of the audiophiles).

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  44. I totally agree by jocknerd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The songs I've bought off of iTMS sound far better than the ones I have ripped myself as high as 192 kbps. Says something about the quality of CD's if you ask me.

  45. Re:What better way to..... by crotherm · · Score: 2, Funny


    Funny, I've always prefered Zamfir, Master of the Pan Flute. :p

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  46. Re:What better way to..... by Golias · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The six degrees connections might not take long. Go to the iTMS and pull up the Motorhead album "March or Die."

    As of right now, "Users who bought this album also bought"

    The Neil Diamond Collection
    Ultimate Manilow
    Quadrophenia

    iTunes users obvioulsy have much more varied tastes than one would think.

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  47. Enough music to last a loooong time... by bytesmythe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At an average of 3 minutes per song, it would take you just over 5700 years to even listen to all of them, much less download them! ;)

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  48. First Free Download.... by telstar · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I Like Big Butts"

  49. Re:Bright Side... by pediddle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Supposing online shopping were to completely replace malls, there's no way those jobs would be replaced. Think of all the salespeople, managers, custodians, security, and everyone else that works at a mall.

    Just considering the salespeople, consider how long it takes to help a customer find what they're looking for, ring them up, chit-chat with them, etc. How long does it take a delivery guy to deliver a package?

    Also, even if delivery jobs can't be outsourced, (1) neither can jobs in malls, and (2) the people owning, running, and espeicially building online stores can be outsourced.

    In short, you're on crack.

  50. It's better than a McDonald's/RIAA partnership by onthefenceman · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can see the slogans now: Billions and billions served...with subpoenas.

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  51. Less Overhead for Apple this way? by Silas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if it's less overhead for Apple to do it this way. When I buy a song with my credit card from the store directly, some small percentage of the $0.99 must be going towards credit card fees, etc. When they do it through retail vendors like McDonalds and Pepsi, they probably get a fat (overhead-free) check from those folks, who in turn absorb the overhead of collecting that cash.

    Sure, there are other costs invovlved in managing that kind of program, but if Apple sets it up well, they could actually be increasing their profit by making the retail vendors pay for some of those costs.

  52. Wishful thinking by Uncle+Gropey · · Score: 2, Funny

    Come on, how many times a week on Slashdot does someone want to proclaim the "beginning of the end" of some old standby technology? I remember Coke was giving away MiniDiscs sometime around 1991 or so, and it was the Beginning Of The End of the CD...

  53. The sheer stupidity of the record industry... by weedenbc · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Let's say just for the sake of arguement that McDonalds actually uses all $1 billion worth of free downloads. The music studios just had a HUGE jump in their sales. And what did it cost them? Nothing. Zero. Zilch.

    Sure, Apple takes the hit on the bandwidth costs, but how much do you want to bet that at least half of these people buy another track besides the free ones while they are at the store? And how many more of those millions of people are going to come back once they see how easy it is to buy music?

    I seriously can't believe that there isn't anyone among the management and sales force of all these major studios that realizes the stupidity of their views.

    Well, either stupidty or just sheer terror at change and seeing entire layers of management and middlemen made obsolete and jobless :)

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