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The Worst Jobs in Science
unassimilatible writes "Popular Science is running a story on the most noxious jobs in science, including, fart-sniffer, barnyard masturbator, and prison-rape researcher, and my personal favorite, the pre-med student who ate, drank, and breathed the blood, urine and vomit of yellow-fever victims. So before you complain about your tech job, check out the list. Things could always be worse."
I find it interesting that #14 is "Astronaut," considering 1/3 of slashdot users grew up dreaming about that position.
A first post about barnyard masterbators that is ON TOPIC!
Some are silly, some are sick, some make you angry, and some just flat-out suck, and some of them sound fun
So, it's actually a list of all the science jobs...
but having to answer phones at verisign tomorrow is gonna blow.
My sister-in-law works with the US Dept. of Agriculture. Her job consists primarily of zapping fruitfly maggots/larva with everything from lasers to 5000w microwaves. She also boils them, crushes them, melts them with acids, dessicates them with silica flakes then blows them away with huge fans.. you name it. Anything that can be done to kill the little doofers, she does. In bulk. They're grown by the thousands just for the purpose of dying in nasty ways.
I think the whole point is to figure out ways to remove them from crops without damaging the crops or using pesticides. She likes her job, though. The only problem is that burning fruitfly maggots smell not entirely unlike barbecue or popcorn, so she invariably leaves the lab hungry...
End of lesson. You may press the button.
Barnyard masturbators, wow, perhaps the SCO execs DO have a future after all ! Thanks, I'll be here all night
2. SCO Unix Grep Boy
3. Microsoft DLL Librarian
4. Commander Taco's Perl Monkey
Feel free to add more...
"Eve of Destruction", it's not just for old hippies anymore...
I'm in my second year of college studying to become a stool-sample analyzer, but after reading the description of the job in this article, it certainly doesn't sound as exciting and glamorous as my high-school guidance counselor made it out to be...
Well, not me, but my old roommate was. He thought this type of job would help him get into med school (it didn't). His biggest complaint was people who turned in tightly-sealed (naturally) peanut-butter jars packed full of the stuff, which would (naturally) decompose producing gas, causing a literal shit-storm when opened. He only needed about a teaspoon-full to do the analysis.
[...]Post has devoted 50 years of his life to achieving this critical point, called breakeven, and it's still up to 20 years away--"and always will be," [...]
(Disclaimer: IANAS, please correct me if your know better) It's a little something called a normal career in science. How many lifetimes have and will be spent searching for a cure for cancer? There's a decent chance that many current theories in physics (such as string theory) may be wrong, and this will only be discovered after many lifetimes of lost work. How is this any different from many other types of scientific research or theory? Fusion research is not, presumably, just redoing the same experiment over and over with different variable values, it's (again, presumably) like any other type of research (even historical, economic, etc.), with new developments and theories, constantly changing and having nothing to do with farts, shit or 'milking' large, male land mammals, especially those named 'Tyrone' (RTFA, #8).
Lab mice.
..but she quit today. It was clinical research on athelete's foot... 10 hour days taking scrapings from people's diseased feet. I guess the boss was a psycho too.
:)
And she's such a princess.. I've seen her freak out after getting a little cat food on her hand.
postdoc should be #1. There are too many things just plain wrong with the system of postdocctoral training in the U.S. A noncomprehensive list follows:
1. Lack of representation. Let's face it, no matter how much lab chiefs (a.k.a. principal investigators, or P.I.s) try to spin the postdoc experience as "training", in reality postdocs are the _labor_ force that gets the actual bench work done. For other young professionals at equivalent level of training and education, postdocs are woefully compensated for their time and effort (although this has slightly improved recently due to increases in NIH fellowship level guidelines). For instance, M.D. fellows in biology research labs get paid significantly more than their Ph.D. counterparts for doing the same work in the lab.
2. Lack of job prospects and career counseling: postdocs are encouraged to spend time in lab to work, work, work. The "goal" is to find faculty positions at research institutions. People with other career goals (teaching positions at primarily undergrad institutions, industry, sales and management) are looked down upon. But in reality, there are hardly any academic positions available for the number of postdocs on the job market any given year. The mentality of the scientific field needs to change greatly to reflect the realities of the job market.
3. Do we reallly *NEED* all these P.I.s? I believe it is high time to reevaluate the P.I. postdoc grad student hierachy. In reality, most of the labor work in labs could be served much more efficiently if senior Ph.D. level scientists held non-tenure track positions as perrmanent staff instead of temporary postdocs. From talking with friends in the scientific field in various institutions around the U.S., some universities appear to be cautiously moving towards this trend. However, I feel that there needs to be a major momentum shift in this direction. The reality is, we don't NEED that many P.I.s with independent research projects running, and there is an overabundance of postdocs with graduate schools churning out more and more each year (grad students are another source of lab labor and grad school administrators are under constant pressure to recruit and support more and more students for the faculty to explo^H^H^H^H^H train). Research universities should realize that permanent staff scientists will work more efficiently in familiar surroundings and colleagues, and without the pressure of having to look for jobs in 3-4 years in an increasingly tight job market.
4. No clear definition of the mentor-postdoc relationship: basically, your mentor makes or breaks your career. About the only thing you can make complaints on your mentor is sexual harassment. In all other regards of your postdoc training, you are essentially at your P.I.'s mercy. If you have a personality clash with him/her, they can screw you big time. If you have a personality clash with someone else in the lab and they get along better with the P.I., you can get screwed big time. If your experimental results , even if they are indisputably correct, do not jive with their pet theories, they can decide not to publish your work, and you get screwed big time. Heck, they can turn out to be simply assholes, and you are screwed big time. The bottom line is, they answer to no one but their grant reviewers, who are not particularly concerned with postdoc welfare. While most departments have scientific advisory boards and undergo yearly reviews, those reviews are scientitfic in nature and do not really address personnel issues. It is my understanding in most professional fields (law, medicine, etc.) there are standards of behavior that are upheld by professional organizations (state bar, medical review board, etc.). There is no such accountability with regards to personnel, especially postdocs, in science.
blah, too tired to rant now.
NO CARRIER
That is, U.S. Stem Cell Researcher. I like that they threw that little bit of political commentary into the mix by highlighting the current abysmal state of stem cell research in the U.S., which was entirely caused by Bush.
Maybe one day someone will wake up and let us use more than one of the 11 existing viable cell lines. I hope so; I wouldn't want to get my Ph.D. to find that I won't be doing anything with it.
"It never got weird enough for me." - HST (RIP)
my sister-in-law actually was a barnyard ejaculator. there's more to that job than they mention. apparently, the other side of the equation, checking for pregnancies involves putting on an arm glove and shoving your entire arm up a cow's rectum. she had this nice circular bruise a couple inches below her shoulder for several days after that...
my personal worst job was a during a wonderful "research project" involving a lake. we needed to install some "anchors" at the bottom of the lake (metal sign posts with chains attached to them). The lake, actually was a recharge basin (the one pictured there), which was routinely drained and cleaned. First cautionary sign: Although they allow fishing, they allow no bodily contact, because the water is essentially treated wastewater, mixed with whatever surface runoff they can gather. They wouldn't let us dive in the water, for fear of our health.
So they drained the lake one week, and as such things go, they did NOT remove the fish. So now we have a "dry" lake with hundreds of dead fish at the bottom. And by dry, I mean a 2 foot thick layer of muck (and where do all the toxins in a slowly draining body of water go? that's right, down into the mud). So I have to walk down the side of the lake and along the lake bottom, through the fishes (which were somewhat plowed under by the earth movers), dragging a chain. Said chain had a hook attached to it with some bailing wire.
Luckily, it was a nice bright, warm southern california day (and the fish had had almost a week to really get nice and ripe). Several times my boots would get stuck in the mud from the suction and my feet would almost come out of them as I tried to extricate myself. Eventually I get to the spot and start reeling in the chain. When I get to the end of the, by now quite dirty, chain I brilliantly scratched my hand on the bailing wire. Wasn't too deep, but it did draw blood.
Just stood there for a while, thinking "well, that's it. i'm going to lose my arm, now. I wonder how long it takes for gangrene to really set in?" luckily a tetanus shot prevented anything major from happening.
If it pays 80k or more a year, I'll sign up to crank the wank. Though, I'm not sure I would want to add that to my resume' in the future.
Life is not for the lazy.
I have actually read Miklos Nyiszli's account of being sent to the concentration camp, being selected by Mengele as his assistant and the work that he did.
It involved a lot more than autopsies on the people experimented on. I think that the two worst parts of his job were
1: Selecting Jews with physical deformities, having them killed and then boiling off the meat from their bones so that their skeletons could be put into a museum to prove Ayrian superiority - all the while arranging that the emprisoned didn't eat the stew.
2: Doing the autopsies on the remains of the Zonderkommando that rebelled and who were taken into the woods and flamethrowered to death.
Cuiusvis hominis est errare; nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare.
Sorta falls under Post-Doc but not really.
Why Medical Resident you ask?
If you are thinking of becoming a doctor and can imagine yourself doing something else, do it. Frankly the lifestyle sucks for the 10 years until you finish med school + residency and for many specialties it still blows once you are done. I have enormous respect for doctors because they've earned every penny they make.
I think one of the worst jobs in science might be the people who have to code data for large scale human rights projects such as the on going work at the Sierra Leone Truth and Reconcilliation commission. Imagine that it's just like the prison rape researcher job, only not only are you constantly reading about rape, you also are faces with murder, child rape, mutilations, amputations, child soldiers, dissapearance, theft and torture (very very creative torture).
People who work on these projects enter a state where they become strongly sympathetic to what they are reading and begin to exhibit symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder.
That's assuming there are no photographic records to review (which is usually kept as far away from coders as possible).
Although helping to expose the truth about attrocities is rewarding, it's not a very good job.
I wish that some of the accounts offered by victims of prison-rape--particularly those that caused the students so much anxiety--were made public.
Maybe then we'd see less people here (and elsewhere) resorting to sick and degrading humor whenever the subject comes up.
And check out the pictogram they chose to accompany the prison-rape researcher entry in this story. It's a picture of Barney. I know they're using it as a way of depicting which of the jobs are associated with psychological torture, but, c'mon! Barney? Prison-rape? That's just soooo wrong.
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
I'm surprised the previous post of this story didn't make an impression on CoyboyNeal!
I think the worst job has to be the poor webmaster that has to keep track of reposts of articles on his site. Not only boring, but apparently quite a challenge....
Job #4 on the list is "Slashdot Dupe Checker"
Once again, I will point out that the best thing about this article is the icons they use to denote the various levels of suckage.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
I swear, there have been more dupes in the past few months. At least this one is 2 months old.
pre-med student who ate, drank, and breathed the blood, urine and vomit of yellow-fever victims
:)
Medical students used to be willing to submit to multiple medical studies to get a "leg up" in the research world. Today, medical students usually willingly submit purely for financial reasons... these drug companies are willing to pay a lot of medicine.
In medical school I tested a certain blood pressure medicine... and it gave me a certain "standing at attention" side effect. I always wondered if that drug was a pre-market version of viagra.
Anyway, I got wood and $50 bucks out of it.
Davak
You could never make money off of masturbating barn yard animals before.
But countless spammers seem to have discovered that you can make money telling people about sites featuring masturbating barn yard animals (more's the pity).
"'I pass the test,' she said. 'I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel.'"
- JRR Tolkien.
If a beautiful girl calls me over to her house to repair her vibrator... I am not sure that would be a horrible job.
/pun mode off
She would probably be pretty excited to see me.
Davak
...I have to wholeheartedly agree with their icon choice for "psychological torture." There are some things you can learn to block out - Barney is not one of them.
Yeah, those are some of the worst jobs in science. I'm sure there are just as many bad jobs in other fields, too.
I have a friend that breeds and shows dogs. She can't neuter them, because that would kill their future value. So when she takes a male dog to a dog show where it's exposed to unspayed female dogs in heat, she has to do the same duty as the barnyard masturbator to make sure the dog doesn't go hump anything. I was somewhat amused when she told me about this, but I'm glad I don't have to do it. (Docuporn title comes to mind: "Uncensored - Backstage at the Dog Show!")
I can imagine some years ago one of the worst jobs in tech (although people didn't necessarily know it) was running cabling through old asbestos-laden buildings. Not healthy at all.
I claim first use of "Error No. 0B" - or "No. 0B error." It'll be the new ID 10T!
I live in amsterdam and I reckon this guy should have got a mention...
Of course it's not a scientific job, but it still rates a mention.
and I shall make a new frontend to slashdot. one that is screened by people who actually read slashdot content -- or at least the front page summary -- and hides dupes. a url matcher could also help. perhaps it could also generate a "dupe report card" for the article posters.
(I'd need some serious bandwidth, though.)
geez, come slashdot. perhaps you could give your "article preview subscribers" a big DUPE button to click to save yourself from embarrassment time and time again.
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So before you complain about your tech job, check out the list. Things could always be worse.
I am the pre-med student who ate, drank, and breathed the blood, urine and vomit of yellow-fever victims, you insensitive clod!
Oh... wait... wrong section. :-)
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at least they HAVE jobs.
Three strikes only applies to felonies.
Traffic offenses, even DUI, are misdemeanors.
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a) I don't live in california
b) I'm not defending californian criminals, I'm criticizing right wing extremists that believe that once you commit a crime, your rights as a human being should be taken away. But wait, who am I kidding, you guys have Guantanamo bay goin' on... ahhh. nevermind.
Lab HR: "you jerk off animals all day"
Applicant: "oh God!"
Applicant: "erm, what's the money?"
Lab HR: "$10,000 a year"
Applicant: "Ok, I'll do it...
but you'll have to give me time to raise the $10,000"
-he who laughs last, is a bit slow.
journal
That is a dangerous assumption. There have been a number of cases of so called voluntary confessions which turned out to be (usually police-)induced false confessions; this makes one wonder how many cases of false confessions were never revealed to be so. One example is discussed here. Also see here for more pointers.
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
And why is that? Because our wonderfully accurate intelligence has pegged him as the mastermind behind 9/11? The same crack team of analysts who brought us the "Iraq is developing a huge WMD program" info? It's easy to bring up Osama because it triggers such a violent response in all of us, myself included. However, I submit to you that Osama and the 9/11 event is really just a larger version of what I was saying before: we'll never know 100% if he was responsible or not.
Anyhow, I'm not going to expend an awful lot of effort trying to defend that bastard. I'm just pointing out that making exceptions for special cases is pretty dangerous. Sure, there are some people who I'd like to see endure torture for the rest of their lives. But it's important to realize that such thoughts are not rational and while they might be amusing little fantasies for us to play in our heads, that's really where they should stay.
GMD
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People seem to be going ape-shit with this 3-strikes thing and whether it is real or not. I'm not going to take sides here but I am going to post a google link to an LA Times article about "3 Strikes". I hope this information will help the others in this thread debate a little more rationally.
GMD
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It's so interesting how people long for vengeance... It really does seem to be quite a common human desire. I myself often desire vengeance against those I feel have wronged me.
Is it always advantageous, though? Does ass rape of prisoners really make them less likely to commit crimes in the future? Maybe, it makes them think I don't want to go back to prison again. Maybe it just makes them really fucking pissed off and crazy. A lot of research suggests that those who are victims of sexual abuse become abusers.
In any case, as a society, the most important goal of our punitary system is to prevent crime and especially to prevent serious crime. Now, prison rape is a crime and it is being ignored. Even if you think that we should only be protecting the innocent, we have to ask ourselves if it is really so great that we have the largest prison population in the world? Not all of the people in prison are career criminals. Some were just in a tight spot and needed a fast buck. Others are drug users. Others are even innocent of anything, but one thing is true of all of them. They are all in contact with brutal, violent criminals on a daily basis. Most will have problems finding a job when the are released. Many will have learned a lot about being a criminal in prison.
My point is this: vengeance is not necessarily helpful. People in prison should be learning some job skills other than being criminals, 'cause if they don't then they're going to be criminals when they get out. Ass Rape is probably not helpful either. I can't imagine that that experience would help make prisoners more calm productive members of society. If anyone can explain how it would, please do.
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I was at Sea World once and I was walking by the Killer Whale pool. There were some trainers feeding and apparently taking blood samples of Shamu and co.
When we saw the show they had played a video on the jumbotron about the program at Sea World and how they've bread more orca than anybody else. They mentioned that every calf was artificially inseminated.
Of course, this begs the obvious question... Where does the, er, sperm com from?
As I was just about the ask one of the trainers, she made a signal to a whale that I gues meant "hey, baby" because the huge male floated on his side and, well, showed his manhood.
The trainer pulled out a padded, 6-inch PVC pipe with handles and proceeded to service the beast. When she was done, she gave the animal a big handful of fish as a "reward". I really wonder how much training they have to go through before the males respond.
I'd rather have someone respond than be modded up.
What's wrong with that is that it costs over $70,000 a year per inmate of tax payer money to keep someone in jail who had a bag of pot of some other stupid thing.
Jail should not serve as 'punishment.' Jails should be there to keep dangerous poeple (muderers, rapists, etc.) away from us. Other criminals (drugs, shoplifters, white collar, etc.) (most people in jail are drug related, btw) should have to repay society by picking up garbage, or washing police cars or something, AND have to take care of themselves, too. Having to work for the state every weekend for a year for no pay would be a good deterrent AND help our aching budgets.
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They Are Vermin Feeding On Each Other's Feces.
I Hate \.
I rarely log in anymore, but an old friend I haven't seen in twenty years is in on 3 strikes. I thought it worthwhile to login to pull this out of the noise.
His offenses were stacked and escalated as described in the LA Times article.
One attempted robbery at 17, 25 years ago.
One knifing during a drug deal gone bad (a couple ounces of pot he was "buying" when the "dealer" pulled a knife on him. The "dealer" ended up with the knife *in* him). About 20 years ago.
Two escapes from fire camps/low risk inmate carcerations. About 25 and 17 years ago. He spent a few years in prison for that at each occurance.
One attempt to flee prosecution by crossing state lines. about 20 years ago.
And the one that nailed him: Attempting to cash a stolen check, two-party signed to him from a customer to his place of business (independent tatoo artist). About 6 years ago.
Six years in prison and his first parole hearing will be in 2012.
Okay, he's not exactly the greatest guy. He uses people. He tends to want his way or get very pissed. If you are on his bad side, he will attempt to dominate you psychologically, and if you try fighting him he will dominate you physically.
OTOH, he is a skilled artist, and would never, ever let down (or not be there for) a friend in need.
What's right, what's wrong? I think he will get out early. He suspected the check he was paid with was bad (stolen) but went ahead with trying to cash it. He should not have to spend 15 years in prison for that.
He is in isolation after successfully beating a would-be rapist to a pulp. He is marked for death by the rape gangs should he be released back into the general prison population.
The prison intends to keep him in his private cell until 2012, I think he gets 1 hour outdoors a day.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
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Okay, here are one hundred and fifty documented third-strike outcomes -- life sentences, for such offences as as "waslking away from fire camp", "filling out a false DMV application", "shoplifting of a baseball glove", etc.
As an aside, I think the three strikes law has a good idea at its root, but it is implemented way too bluntly. Instead of an oversimplified-to-the-point-of-injustice "third conviction gets you life in prison" rule (which is the rule only because people in the US like baseball and a good sound-bite!), we should consider something like "every previous crime on your record results in a doubling of the prison sentence for subsequent crimes"... so, for example, if shoplifting normally would get you two weeks in jail, then shoplifting with a prior conviction would get you four weeks, with two priors -- eight weeks, and so on. This would avoid ridiculously long sentences for minor crimes, except in cases of extreme recidivism.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
"After changing diapers for ten years, a little horse urine didn't seem so frightening" he says. "Easy work, warm summer afternoons in the open, all the tips I could use on the races -- that was one fine job."
Unfortunately he had to give up the job, partly due to scheduling conflicts, partly due to family pressure.
I've found that my posts don't format quite right w/o a sig.
how they've bread more orca than anybody
I have this mental image of a whale breaded and deep fried. Sorry. I'll get me coat
OK here are some examples
Shoplifters may receive sentences up to life in prison under "three strikes and you are out" laws without violating constitutional safeguards against cruel and unusual punishment.
Some cases got appealed
Mr. Andrade stole videos worth $153.54 from two K-marts and wound up with a sentence of 50 years in prison with no possibility of parole.
The ruling may also unleash a wave of appeals from the estimated 350 to 3,500 other California prisoners who received comparable sentences in similar circumstances.
Mr. Chemerinsky says about 350 people whose third strike was a similar petty theft, are serving sentences in California of at least 25 years to life.
But the supreme court didn't think it was cruel or unusual ( I guess cause there are 3500 people in prison it can't be so unusual ? )
Gary Ewing is serving 25 years to life for stealing golf clubs from a Los Angeles country club. In his case, the prosecutor had the option of charging Ewing with a misdemeanor but chose to try the case as a felony. The state supreme court had rejected Ewing's appeal of his sentence. His lawyer said Ewing has AIDS and expects to die soon.
if reading accounts of prisoners' rape incident is considered awful an awful experience, how about experience of the victims themselves who endure the real horror of the incident.
likewise, anyone who's ever had a diarrhea and the intense discomfort of it will appreciate that those who analyze stool samples, albeit it doesn't seem a glamorous job, are doing valuable work.
I don't think such jobs are awful; they probably are full of opportunities for job satisfaction. At least in knowing that you're doing something that might help others. It's way better than being a tech worker slaving to enrich some capitalists.