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Lessons Learned from RFID Field Test

muddy_mudskipper writes "From John Young's cryptome.org website, is a newly posted pdf copy of the "Lessons Learned from RFID Field Test" as compiled by the Field Test Program Manager of the Auto ID Center. It is interesting to note the photographs of the different passive RFID antennas that could be used in product packaging - some small enough to fit into a soap box. Also curious is how many sector antennas have to pepper the test center in order to approach 100% RFID readability. 'In March 2001 a team comprised of Auto-ID Center sponsors (technology & end users) was assembled to plan and implement a Field Test aimed at taking the Auto-ID EPC technology from the laboratory to the real world environment with the objective of proving the power and effectiveness of the EPC and to blaze a trail for future adoption' "

178 comments

  1. Two stories in a row I don't understand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    You need twelve more for a record, however...

  2. RFID and PAL by Space+cowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One thing to look out for is the resonant frequency. We were trying to use RFID tags inside professional tape decks, to tell which tape was currently in the decl - it was an asset management project.

    the only useful (in terms of range) RFID tags at the time (18 months ago now) were resonant at 13.5 MHz, which is very very close to the colour burst frequency of PAL TV... not ideal for the inside of a Pro. tape deck :-)

    Complete redesign, readers outside and having to motion sensors to detect the tape's direction (if it was going in or out) delayed us quite considerably :-) Always read the small print....

    Simon.

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    1. Re:RFID and PAL by pi+eater · · Score: 0

      What about 14.2 MHz ?

      funny geek wear

    2. Re:RFID and PAL by PhilipPeake · · Score: 1

      Last time I looked, the PAL colour burst frequency was 4.4336175MHz ...

    3. Re:RFID and PAL by Space+cowboy · · Score: 1

      Hence my comment about "giving me a break" about 10 seconds after posting the original. It was the CCIR601 sampling frequency within the deck that caused problems, not the colour burst frequency.

      Unfortunately /. doesn't let you edit posts....

      Simon.

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  3. Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by emptybody · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just curious as to how many of you already have an RFID tag. Were you aware that the mobil speed pass is an RFID tag?

    Contgradulations!! Big Brother is watching YOU.

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    1. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by Dashing+Leech · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, you watch Big Brother. No, wait, that doesn't sound right. It should be "In run down trailer park, you watch Big Brother."

    2. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by Pompatus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Contgradulations!! Big Brother is watching YOU.

      Why does this have to be brought up every time something comes out about RFID tags? If "Big Brother" cared enough about you to track you, they would bring up your credit/debit card purchases and find everything about you that an RFID tag would tell them. You know that cell phone you carry around? Your position can be determined quite easily from that. Existing technology allows anyone to track you already. Anonimity has already been traded for convenience.

      Don't worry though, nobody is watching and tracking you as an individual. Truth be told, Big Brother just doesn't care about you.

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    3. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't worry though, nobody is watching and tracking you as an individual. Truth be told, Big Brother just doesn't care about you.

      Cool! Does that mean I can skip my next appointment with the probation officer?

      KFG

    4. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by k12linux · · Score: 1
      Big Brother just doesn't care about you.
      Cool! Does that mean I can skip my next appointment with the probation officer?

      No. Your probation officer cares about you very deeply. :-P

    5. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by terraformer · · Score: 2, Informative
      Were you aware that the mobil speed pass is an RFID tag?

      Hey, when I go out I always place my speedpass under my tin foil hat!

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    6. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Don't worry though, nobody is watching and tracking you as an individual. Truth be told, Big Brother just doesn't care about you.

      Run that by Daniel Ellsberg, just as a reality check. If the government wants to know in detail about you, all the answers are not in your credit card records. If you're using an RFID device to pay tolls, your every move through a tollgate (and the license number of the car you're driving at the time, as I found out) are recorded to hhmmss and kept on file for who knows how long.

      As far as I know, there is no legislation preventing anyone in government from installing sensors anywhere other than at designated toll collection points. This means a network of sensors could easily track someone of interest fairly granularly through a city.

      Just curious, if new "traffic cameras" are installed at an intersection near you, do you have any idea how the location came to be chosen? Or did they just appear one day as the ones near me did? If RFID sensors were installed on nearby intersections or highways, would you even know what they looked like?

    7. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by dasmegabyte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      *WHEW*, and I was worried. My Mobil speed pass only works about half the time when you stick it right up next to the pump. I'd say 50/50 odds of detection at less than an inch of distance are sufficiently poor for me to ignore RFID completely.

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    8. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by volkris · · Score: 1

      Yes: the reality is that when you're out in public people can see where you are.

      Gasp!

    9. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Contgradulations!! Big Brother is watching YOU."

      I didn't realize that Mobil was a Gov't Agency.

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    10. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by Frogbert · · Score: 0
      You know that cell phone you carry around? Your position can be determined quite easily from that.
      Not if you give it its own tinfoil hat. *twitch*
    11. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by sacrilicious · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If "Big Brother" cared enough about you to track you, they would bring up your credit/debit card purchases and find everything about you that an RFID tag would tell them.

      Really? What about the clothes I always pay cash for? What about the hooker I always pay cash for? What about the fact that after buying groceries I went to the gym, then strolled down main street? These things are NOT on my credit card bill, yet are discernable via RFID technology. What you're missing is that with a credit card, I can make a conscious and informed choice about when to use it. Not so with RFID tags.

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    12. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1
      If "Big Brother" cared enough about you to track you, they would bring up your credit/debit card purchases and find everything about you that an RFID tag would tell them.

      I recently wrote a short story about combining RFID and credit card info. Short, sweet and to the point.

      RFID says what you have, credit cards say what you bought. The two together can have a certain Big-Brother synergy.

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    13. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by Sircus · · Score: 1

      If you pay cash for it, how are "they" going to determine that it's *you* carrying those clothes to the gym, then down main street? Since their stock system knows the clothes have just been bought, it's a reasonable bet that "they" know that *someone*'s carrying the clothes off somewhere, RFID tag or not.

      And what's with the hooker? Exactly which part of your hooker has an RFID tag? I can't imagine RFID tags are going to be ribbing your condoms for her pleasure any time soon, either... I fail to see how RFID tags affect this purchase of services on your part.

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    14. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong way round, Gov't is an agency of Mobil

    15. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RFID tags in currency, that's how. The ATM notes who is issued with which RFID tags. Not foolproof (eg you pass a tagged bill to a friend's kid for mowing the lawn - no transfer record) but studying your overall 'bill flows' could be very interesting when combined with other info.

      RFID in currency (initially high value bills) is planned in a number of currencies in the coming years.

    16. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by 4of12 · · Score: 1

      I fail to see how RFID tags affect this purchase of services on your part.

      Cash 2.0 will include a unique RFID tag as a "counterfeit protection mechanism" but will have "useful" side-effects in curtailing "illegal" commerce.

      I suppose you can always claim that the fifty used by Sally Slut at the grocery store was one of those that you "lost" along with the other fifty that Carl Cokedealer turned up with.

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    17. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by Josiwe · · Score: 1

      Obviously BB doesn't care about you or me. But your statement is naive. Some people are interesting to the guvermint, and these intrusions on privacy in the last couple years are very scary in a certain context. Read up on how the government monitored Martin Luther King Jr. and Mohammed Ali, and then tell me that nobody is watching.

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    18. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by sacrilicious · · Score: 1
      I'm under the impression that my point didn't get across. The post to which I responded asserted that rfid tags will not reveal any more information on a person than a credit card:
      If "Big Brother" cared enough about you to track you, they would bring up your credit/debit card purchases and find everything about you that an RFID tag would tell them.
      My response was that for a privacy-conscious consumer who makes it a point to rarely if ever use a credit card, rfid tags provide a wealth of information that cash never would, against the will or choice of the consumer. If I pay cash for rfid tagged clothes, then walk past a covertly placed scanner outside my house, then the folks collecting data know that the purchaser of clothing #455356 went into 100 Main Street; all they need do is look up the resident. Alternate method: if I do ever pay with a credit card for tagged clothes, then wear those clothes to another store and pay cash, an overarching system still has enough information to match the second purchase to my id: person ID'd by credit card #xyz paid for clothes #abc, then person wearing clothes #abc bought clothes #def, it's simple logic.

      If this kind of thinking comes across as paranoid then by all means make the arguments about how the government (or whoever) would never do such a thing etc. But my point is that rfid tags take these data collecting decisions out of the hands of the consumer.

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    19. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by Sircus · · Score: 1

      If this kind of thinking comes across as paranoid then by all means make the arguments about how the government (or whoever) would never do such a thing etc. But my point is that rfid tags take these data collecting decisions out of the hands of the consumer.

      It certainly does come across as paranoid. Exactly which government do you imagine has the money to implement a scheme which places covert RFID scanners outside people's houses? Exactly how do you imagine that said government will manage to place covert RFID scanners outside the houses of the general populace without people learning of this and revolting?

      Aside from this paranoia, if you're so worried about what the RFID tag's going to do to your privacy, why wouldn't you just remove it right outside the store after your purchase?

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    20. Re:Mobil Speed Pass is RFID by sacrilicious · · Score: 1
      Exactly which government do you imagine has the money to implement a scheme which places covert RFID scanners outside people's houses?

      The answer depends in large part on precisely how much it would cost to manufacture scanners, and how many end up getting distributed. If a cheap, battery or solar powered standalone unit of small dimensions becomes possible, then it could be financially feasible for a government to place them at various chosen locations. A given government might decide it's only interested in 1% of its population, or one tenth of 1%. I don't know how much spare money the governments of Opec nations have lying around, but it's a poignant region to theorize about in this regard.

      Exactly how do you imagine that said government will manage to place covert RFID scanners outside the houses of the general populace without people learning of this and revolting?

      Some governments can rely on their grip on people. The people under the Taliban or Saddam didn't revolt, yet I think they endured greater indignities and pains than being tracked. And for the part of the people in the US, they didn't revolt when the DMCA was passed, or when the "patriot" act was passed, or when the "war on drugs" was initiated, or prostitution illegalized. Prohibition was repealed because it gave rise to organized crime, not because the people rose up and cast it off.

      Aside from this paranoia, if you're so worried about what the RFID tag's going to do to your privacy, why wouldn't you just remove it right outside the store after your purchase?

      As of a year ago, the technology had already reached the point where rfid tags were smaller than a grain of sand. A consumer may be completely unaware of the tag. Even if they are aware, they may be unable to find it. If they can find it, they may not be equipped to remove or disable it.

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  4. RAID for RFID tags by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 4, Informative
    The concept of "aggregation" on page 9 is interesting.


    * Today's RFID technology does not allow for 100% read and identification of all products at all times...
    * Aggregation is the association of multiple tagged items to a single grouping.
    * Readability of ANY ONE of the associated tags in the grouping will identify the whole grouping.


    RAID strikes again!
    1. Re:RAID for RFID tags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you'd call a box of oranges a RAID array. I'd call it a box of oranges.

    2. Re:RAID for RFID tags by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      Obviously that would be a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Oranges. RAIO. You may, at your convenience, refer to it as a boxed RAIO.

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    3. Re:RAID for RFID tags by kfg · · Score: 1

      It's called set theory. If John and Jim are both New Yorkers than identifying them as John or Jim identifies them as a New Yorker.

      Great, so now some ignorant businessman has come up with another word for one that already exists as the formal definition. We'll add it to the other lot that the database people have made up. They form a set.

      Creating a logically ordered stucture of such related data creates a database, which is why you might choose to store said data in a DBMS.

      Now, you might choose to store your database on a RAID ( which might have to keep its own database of where the data is physically stored), but that's an entirely seperate issue from what the data means.

      KFG

    4. Re:RAID for RFID tags by Yobgod+Ababua · · Score: 1

      More like RAIFLT (redundant array of inexpensive fiddly little tags), but the analogy breaks down when the 'redundant' items are merely Read-Only devices with fixed, unique numbers.

      To stretch it as far as we can, aggregation is a form of RAIFLT-1, like a mirror, where any tag in the aggregate can answer your read request.

      RAIFLT-0 is basically the default of having a pile of tags, since you still have to read all of them to identify the contents of the pile.

      I don't think there's a useful configuration that would correspond to RAIFLT-4 or RAIFLT-5, unless you introduced special "parity tags", or partial tags that don't uniquely identify an individual item, but only require scanning a subset of tags to uniquely identify the aggregate. Again, not terribly useful.

    5. Re:RAID for RFID tags by patniemeyer · · Score: 1

      Kind of the opposite of RAID. Store your information many times (one each item) and if you're lucky maybe get it back once or twice... This is pretty useless.

      The "aggregation" bit seems like trying to put a spin on the fact that RFID completely failed the test.

      Pat

    6. Re:RAID for RFID tags by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Read-only today; Read/Write tomorrow. Also; you will never know if the tags are read/write, you have only the manufacturer's say-so to go by.

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  5. 2 lessons by metlin · · Score: 0, Troll


    Lesson 1: RFIDs screw your privacy

    Lesson 2: Lesson 1 is always true.

    1. Re:2 lessons by wed128 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      OH NO... let's all put on our tinfoil hats so the men in black suits don't come aknockin'

    2. Re:2 lessons by metlin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, that statement wasn't meant in a paranoid kinda way.

      My school does a *lot* of research into RFID tags, and guess what a lot of the "intended" uses are?

      Corporates want to track people and habits, and government establishments want to track people, their habits *and* the corporates.

    3. Re:2 lessons by wed128 · · Score: 1

      i didn't realise...my mistake

    4. Re:2 lessons by Kenja · · Score: 2, Insightful
      RFIDs screw your privacy in the same way that credit cards, gas bills, phones and even money "screw" your privacy.


      Do you know that every dollar bill has a serial number on it? They could find out I spent that dollar on a soda!

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    5. Re:2 lessons by KD5YPT · · Score: 1

      I would bet someday there will be an RFID scanner, so you can just find it and deactivate it.

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    6. Re:2 lessons by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      The serial number on a dollar bill can't easily be matched to you -- or even easily read automatically.

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    7. Re:2 lessons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    8. Re:2 lessons by Zeebs · · Score: 1

      So, if you needed lesson 2 to note that lesson one is always true then one could assume that unless specified lessons are not always true, so that would mean that lesson 2 is not always true. If lesson 2 isn't true some of the time it follows that lesson 1 isn't true at those times as well. so...

      Yes. I have too much free time, whats it to ya?

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    9. Re:2 lessons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How on earth is that a troll? A flambait perhaps, but a troll? Give me a break!

      The guy has a point - yeah, cellphones track you, credit cards track you. Just because you don't bother about it does not mean it does not happen.

      Moderators on crack eh?

    10. Re:2 lessons by nametaken · · Score: 1

      It is my understanding that you can't "deactive" a passive RFID tag, with the exception of physically destroying it? Is this true? If it can be done with a "scanner", and this is supposed to be the new security device, what's to keep someone from just swiping product inside the store and walking out?

  6. RFID... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    We've been doing RFID for a couple years now at www dot buyrfid dot com, (www.buyrfid.com), and I can tell you, most of the fears about privacy are not valid.
    The best non-battery tags can be read at 20 feet, and all the class 1 tags must have and support a kill command.

    1. Re:RFID... by k12linux · · Score: 2, Insightful
      all the class 1 tags must have and support a kill command

      Does that mean shortly after Wal Mart puts tags in everything some joker can walk through the store and tell them to all disable themselves?

    2. Re:RFID... by Kosi · · Score: 1

      Great! Everyone who is sensitive about his privacy will carry a device sending the kill command constantly and the big brother fantasies of the corps gu up in smoke.

      Would be too nice that it will really happen.

      But I will make sure to at least disturb that damn stuff seriously when I go shopping!

    3. Re:RFID... by JohnsonWax · · Score: 1

      all the class 1 tags must have and support a kill command

      Does that mean shortly after Wal Mart puts tags in everything some joker can walk through the store and tell them to all disable themselves?

      No, it means that the tags are programmed to eliminate anyone who uncovers "Big Brother's" master scheme. Slashdotters beware!

    4. Re:RFID... by OccSub · · Score: 1

      Well, that convenience will only cost you a few thousand dollars, considering you need a handheld battery-powered reader (which sure doesn't look conspicuous!) and software to do the killing. It's just not that simple, bud! And plus, if the tag gets killed at the checkout, don't be an asshole and go ruining the store for everyone else because you're freaking out about big brother finding out you have Levi's on from a max distance of about 8 inches (with 13.56 MHz tags).

    5. Re:RFID... by Kosi · · Score: 1

      I don't know that much about this, but what is the thing to build a device that repeatedly broadcasts the kill command around while it's activated. Turn on before entering the shop, turn off when you have left it, privacy saved a little.

      I'm not going to let them track every movement I make in the store, record every product I look at. That they could read what I already brought into the store with me would be a even worse invasion of my privacy.

      And for the distance of 20 cm: what keeps them from installing such a reading device every 20 cms?

    6. Re:RFID... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > what keeps them from installing such a reading device every 20 cms?

      Because a reader device is probably larger than 20cm square. Of course, they coul probably make a repeater/amplifier to make the distance travel further, but you lose the pinpoint functonality and go more into "This certain RFID is within 50 feet of this point."

  7. Your cell phone is a RFID tag! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please realize, your cell phone is a rfid tag, its constantly updating your position to the phone cell towers. To implement the Cell-911, they use multi-cell towers to narrow down your location to within 50 feet or so....
    So you tag yourself already

    1. Re:Your cell phone is a RFID tag! by markana · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But...

      1) I know it's there (not buried in the soles of my shoes, for instance), so I can leave it behind.

      2) I can *turn it off*, if I don't want to be constantly tracked.

      Put some RFID pickups at the entrances to bus stations and airports, and you'll catch most of the tags passing through. Might not be very useful now, but who knows what creative uses someone could find in the future...

  8. Re:RFID and CCIR by Space+cowboy · · Score: 1

    Whoops. Wrong neurons in the path - it was the CCIR sampling in the deck that ran at 13.5 MHz... It's late, ok ?? :-)

    Simon.

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  9. I'm going to have fun with this by hawkbug · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not worried about this RFID thing - I plan on learning how to make these things myself with some kit you can buy out the back of popular science, and I'm going to program them and stick them all over my clothes... the catch is, I'm going to fill them with all kinds of crap data that just wastes these companies and gov's bandwidth and storage capabilities, and flood their databases with wack data. If enough people do what I do, RFID will be worthless real fast I figure. Sure, there will be ways to sort the data so the bad stuff can be trashed, but then we adapt and reprogram the tags, and it becomes a game they will tire of quickly.

    1. Re:I'm going to have fun with this by l810c · · Score: 1
      Years ago in college we had a fun game we played at the library. Our library had a scanner on the exit much like ones in most electronics stores today(They probably still have something similar, just haven't been in it in 10 years).

      The little tags were very easy to pull out of the magazines. We would then put them in someones backpack or in their notebook or try to get them to step on it. it was lots of fun to watch them leave and set off the alarm and confuse everyone as they tried to figure out what was setting off the alarm.

    2. Re:I'm going to have fun with this by k12linux · · Score: 1
      it was lots of fun to watch them leave and set off the alarm and confuse everyone as they tried to figure out what was setting off the alarm

      Last year a new wallet from Target had one of those "security" tags stuck way inside one of the linings. The checkout gal "disabled" it, but I later learned that it would enable itself again after you sat on it or otherwise stressed it a few times. I never knew if the damn thing was going to set off alarms when I tried to leave the store.

      Eventually I just about ripped the wallet apart and found the stupid thing. But I still tense up a little walking through the "detectors" on my way out of Target now.

    3. Re:I'm going to have fun with this by dasmegabyte · · Score: 1

      Good idea. Except that purposefully sabotaging a government database is as close to terrorism as makes no odds. After all, it's illegal to prank call 911, it's illegal to jam police radar or scanners, shit it's even illegal to alter UPC codes, why shouldn't it be illegal to mess with RFID?

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    4. Re:I'm going to have fun with this by Brianwa · · Score: 1

      That has happened to me several times, with shoes. They would set off the alarms in almost any store I went to, it was quite annoying. (But, oddly enough, they did not set off the alarms when I left the store I got them at) I am now always tense as I walk through the alarms at stores.

    5. Re:I'm going to have fun with this by hawkbug · · Score: 1

      Why shouldn't be illegal?? Very simple really. If they can monitor and plant these things on stuff I *own* without my permission, I can just as easily plant them myself on stuff I own. I would be breaking no laws. You're terrorism reference makes me laugh... the government won't come to a hault if they can't monitor what I purchase, they shouldn't be allowed to in the first place.

    6. Re:I'm going to have fun with this by aphor · · Score: 1

      Me too, but I'm going to do my own asset management. I'll put big random numbers in my RFIDs and my homemade R2D2 will pick up and sort my laundry for me. It will also find my remote, and put it back where I like it.

      I can give them to friends and let them give out to people as party invitations. When they come to the door, they need their RFID to get in, and I can go mingle instead of wathing the door. At the door, speakers will play my preproduced introduction, mixed into the music like DJ Hurricane back in the 80s.

      NO MORE ANONYMOUS COPS!
      We could pass a law requiring public servants to wear their ID whenever they are earning their pay. That way misdeeds and good service can get their just-desserts faster.

      Then there will be the cool "detaggers" designed to fry the RFIDs. Like the metal-detector wands they use at airports, but clear, with a little jacobs' ladder going between the electrodes, or like the "pads" on the bottom of the hovercraft in The Matrix. Night Clubs and the underworld will show off their extravagance with the use of faraday cages and ultrawideband EMI lightshows. Old school high-voltage gear with warm tubes will be the bling bling. There will be the industrial technological revolution, which probably has already begun, and there will be the homegrown technology revolution.

      The cat toothpaste is out of the bag tube!

      Oh, and props go out to you-know-who because he said it first: "The revolution will not be televised."

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    7. Re:I'm going to have fun with this by dasmegabyte · · Score: 1

      The government has nothing to do with RFID yet. If they did, then RFID projects would be going ahead unabated despite public outcry against them and dramatic evidence showing that they don't work. If there's one thing this administration has shown, it's the tenacity to go against facts and public opinion when they wish to. I guess you have to respect that, in a quixotic kind of way...

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    8. Re:I'm going to have fun with this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice idea. How long before the RFID data collectors have to implement spam filters?

    9. Re:I'm going to have fun with this by pod · · Score: 1

      So am I, whenever I'm carrying something I just bought. You never know whether the thing has a strip, or whether the 'deactivation' actually worked. In the past, deactivating the tag at the place you bought it would still set off alarms at other stores. It doesn't seem to be an issue as much anymore. But the memories of having to dump my bags and match them up with recepits and just the general PITA of it all always makes me wary of shopping at more than one place. If I buy some DVDs on my lunch hour, I don't usually like to go to the grocery store on my way from work, because the alarm would always go off, and there's never anyone around at those places to look after you right away, so you just shrug your shoulders and keep walking, feeling like a dirty criminal. Geez...

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    10. Re:I'm going to have fun with this by Uber+Banker · · Score: 1

      Bullshit.

  10. I want private RFIDs for my stuff by hamjudo · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If RFID technology was cheap enough, easy to use and not too icky, I'd tag all my tools, the remote controls, the kids toys, and anything else we habitually lose.

    As far as I know, systems with reasonable range aren't cheap. I'm not sure any system works well when attached to metal tools.

    But the icky issue, is that I want to be able to track my stuff, but I don't want everyone else to be able to track my stuff.

    I'd like to try tagging the stuff I lose around the yard and house. Since I would assign the tags, there wouldn't be many privacy issues. People with scanners would know how many things I tagged, but not what they are.

    So, are there any affordable systems? How about affordable systems that can quickly scan a room (where is the remote now?). Where can I get them?

    [The article was already slashdotted, so I have no idea what it is about.]

    1. Re:I want private RFIDs for my stuff by l810c · · Score: 2, Informative
      I use RFID's in my video rental business for tracking DVD's. The Tagsys tags are 1.5" circle labels that go around DVD center hub. They have 128bit 13.56Mhz chip that is about 1mm long surounded by a long antenae that wrap around in 4 circles making it about 7 inches long. The tags cost me ~.80 each. Not sure about the Gemini HF210 reader, I guess it's slightly more than standard laser barcode reader.

      The problem with these tags are that they are very fragile. They are fine when properly placed on a DVD, but if they are removed and replaced ro probably if the were wrapped around something other than flat, they stop working. The reader will only read them from a few inches away.

    2. Re:I want private RFIDs for my stuff by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're probably not going to get away cheaply, I work with RFID tags on a regular basis. You know those identity cards everyone carries at work now, most of them are RFID cards (tags). An easy way to tell is, if you swipe the card near a small box that goes beep to go through doors, that is an RFID tag you are swiping. The technology is cheap enough, if you don't care about range. But if you want to get beyond about a foot, you're looking at some real money. Though that is on the reader side, the cards themselves are not overly expensive, and there are tags specifiaclly made for inventory tracking, which can be stuck on to just about anything (1 inch adhesive disk).
      Now, putting it on a metal tool, well that's going to screw your range, and be damn sure that its not close to a power supply, or forget it. If I put a reader next to one of the 12v power supplies we use here, I have to smack the reader with the card to get it to read, and even then it doesn't always recognize the card. Put the reader on a metal surface and its only slightly better. You have to remember, your working with radio waves, they tend to be affected by things like metal and EM fields. Also, if the tags are too close to each other, they tend not to read.
      Try this sometime, if you get a chance: Borrow a few of the ID badges from your co-workers, stack them together and present them to a reader, the reader will fail to read any of them.
      In all, I don't think you'd be happy with RFID tags for tracking your tools. The range would suck, it would be a bit costly, and the system would probably be flaky due to all the metal involved.

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    3. Re:I want private RFIDs for my stuff by Gerad · · Score: 2, Funny

      For a moment there, I read that as "I'd tag all my tools, the remote controls, the kids, and anything else we habitually lose".
      I guess this is the result of growing up as the oldest of six =p

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    4. Re:I want private RFIDs for my stuff by jjshoe · · Score: 1

      Thats because your thinking about two different rfid's. This article covers passive which is pretty much harmless. The reader would need active rfid's to 'locate' items. Active generaly costs more due to complexity. The rfid in my name badge is passive and costs less than 50 cents.

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    5. Re:I want private RFIDs for my stuff by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      If RFID technology was cheap enough, easy to use and not too icky, I'd tag all my tools, the remote controls, the kids toys, and anything else we habitually lose. I'd like to try tagging the stuff I lose around the yard and house. Since I would assign the tags, there wouldn't be many privacy issues. People with scanners would know how many things I tagged, but not what they are.

      I looked into doing something like that about a year ago. My idea was to tag all the things I habitually keep on my person, then have a small pager-like device that periodically polls the RFID tags and makes sure they're in range. If, for example, my Palm m505 falls out of my pocket in the booth of a diner, as soon as I get 5 feet from the table the RFID pager goes off and says "item number (whatever) out of range" and I know to turn around and pick up my Palm. In my case, I was looking for an interesting way to stop leaving tools behind at the job site, but the technology wasn't there yet. Maybe I'll check again...

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    6. Re:I want private RFIDs for my stuff by jamdognut · · Score: 1

      The RFIDs do not give any location information, so the RFID sensor just knows that somewhere in it's detection sphere there is a perticular RFID. You could make a RFID detector like a metal detector. Hey, when all notes are RFID'd then I could scan beaches with my RFID-detector (patent now pending) and make fo fortune! In 1000 years time archaeologists are going to use them to hunt down these things.

  11. Peekaboo Boxes by Red+Rocket · · Score: 4, Interesting


    I like how they tried to obscure the "Gillette Venus" printed on the boxes in the PDF file but the overlay image doesn't appear until the picture is completely loaded.
    Gillette doesn't want us to know that the tests are being conducted either with their cooperation or on their behalf.
    Ooops. Foiled by the PDF.

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    1. Re:Peekaboo Boxes by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      Heh. Can you think of something more frequently stolen than Gillette razor blades?

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    2. Re:Peekaboo Boxes by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      Yes. Baby formula.

    3. Re:Peekaboo Boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG! OMG! VENUS razors? They're using RFID to trace teen masturbaters! Could YOU be next???

    4. Re:Peekaboo Boxes by canavan · · Score: 1

      ... and Purina dog food and Pantene whatever. When will people learn?

    5. Re:Peekaboo Boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if they weren't so friggin expensive! $2 / blade. And the damn stores don't even have them in stock half the time. If you're gonna make money on blades, at least don't make your customers so loathe to buy them. As it is, I use the things until they start shredding my face, certainly adding no joy to the already hateful activity of shaving.

    6. Re:Peekaboo Boxes by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      Same thing here in this ad council ad campaign for the department of homeland security.

      Check out the four PDFs. They've all got a big picture of Tom Ridge in the middle, before they start loading. Apparently their original idea for the campaign centered around him. Someone will have to explain to me why publicising Tom Ridge's picture is important for Homeland Security.

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  12. RFID Neuter Devices by johnyoung · · Score: 1

    Cryptome invites information on means and/or devices that will allow a customer to neuter RFID tags on purchased products which are no longer owned by the RFID installers. Send to: jya@pipeline.com

    The RFID docs on Cryptome were pointed to by CASPIAN, the premier group resisting the spread of RFID in consumer products. CASPIAN website:

    http://www.spychips.com

    1. Re:RFID Neuter Devices by wed128 · · Score: 0

      What stops me from walking into gap with one of these and walking out wearing my brand new bluejeans?

    2. Re:RFID Neuter Devices by k12linux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or from walking through the isles with a stronger version and destroying all traces of automated inventory control in the store?

    3. Re:RFID Neuter Devices by camperslo · · Score: 1

      A couple of seconds in a microwave oven should do the trick!

  13. OT but serious, help please. by SharpFang · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Catalogs/datasheets/white papers for electronic parts.

    Any decent source? Most of stuff I find on the net are either very limited range, or just trade offers with very short descriptions (no pinout etc), or available only for a fee. Could you share your sources for that stuff?

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    1. Re:OT but serious, help please. by Orne · · Score: 1

      Well, I guess that when Motorola blitzed my college with chip books, their "advertising" paid off, because Motorola is the first place I looked.

      Sensor Device Data Book... all of their sensor chips & schematics, scanned into a PDF. Troll the Motorola website and I'm sure you'll find the other chipset books...

    2. Re:OT but serious, help please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google for Farnell.

    3. Re:OT but serious, help please. by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Thanks! It's great!!!

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    4. Re:OT but serious, help please. by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Nice, thank you :)

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  14. If I were SirHaxalot: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I would say something like "Sounds like 1984 is more of a reality every day."

    1. Re:If I were SirHaxalot: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you would post 2 links to a google cache that was saved a month ago. THEN you would add the incredibly obvious comment.

  15. My doorkey is an RFID tag by Space+cowboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I live in a managed flat in Central London, where the entrance key to the concierge area is unlocked with an RFID tag. The door to the flat itself is still a normal key though :-)

    Simon

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    1. Re:My doorkey is an RFID tag by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      I live in a managed flat in Central London, where the entrance key to the concierge area is unlocked with an RFID tag.

      In the security business that's called a "prox card" (proximity) and, though it's essentialy the same thing as an RFID tag, the names aren't interchangeable. Prox cards have been around for 10+ years. RFID specifically refers to these little stick-on bits intended for inventory tracking and such that have come out recently. Prox card readers can only handle one card in range at a time. RFID readers are designed to handle multiple tags in range simultaneously. In short, all RFID tags are proximity devices, but not all proximity devices are RFID tags.

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  16. Make edible RFID tags! by myowntrueself · · Score: 4, Funny

    What we need now are edible RFID tags which fast food franchises can put in their happy meals and which will lodge in the gut of their consumers.

    This way, as soon as one of them waddles into their store, ones favorite happy meal will be ready for you by the time you get to the counter!!!

    Convenience!!!

    That will be double plus good! :)

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    1. Re:Make edible RFID tags! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Big Brother doubleplusungood!

    2. Re:Make edible RFID tags! by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      as soon as one of them waddles into their store, ones favorite happy meal will be ready for you by the time you get to the counter!!!

      Judging by the level of service currently seen at "fast" food establishments, this seems doubtful...

  17. Your car tires have RFIDs in them ALREADY!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Its a us federal sponsorred initiative to track vehicles near certain highways feeding certain urban areas.

    basically the fbi enters a rfid number into the database and then history of travel for the car pops up.

    the feds can also pre-enter rfids they want to watch after getting a reading off your parked car or from the canadian-us customs border (where they already actively log the car rfids in the tires and associate them with plates)

    Your tires have a passive coil with 64 to 128 bit serial number emitter in them! (AIAG B-11 ADC v3.0) .

    Photos of chips before molded into tires:

    http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:SVUlB-z0BCQ J: www.sokymat.com/applications/tireid.html

    Californias Fastpass is being upgraded to scan ALL responding car tires in future years upcoming. I-75 may get them next in rural funnel points in Ohio.

    http://www.tadiran-telematics.com/products6.html

    YOU MUST BUY NEUTRALIZED OR FOREIGN TIRES!!!!! Soon such tires will become illegal to import or manufacture.

    Using these chips to track people while they drive is actually the idea of the us gov, and current chips CANNOT BE DISABLED or removed. They hope ALL tires will have these chips in 4 years and hope people have a very hard time finding non-chipped tires. Removing the chips is near impossible without destroying the tire as the chips were designed with that DARPA design goal.

    They are hardened against removal or heat damage or easy eye detection and can be almost ANYWHERE in the new "big brother" tires. In fact in current models they are integrated early and deep into the substrate of the tire as per US FBI request.

    Our freedom of travel are going away in 2003, because now there is an international STANDARD for all tire transponder RFID chips and in 2004 nearly ALL USA cars will have them. Refer to AIAG B-11 ADC, (B-11 is coincidentally Post Sept 11 fastrack initiative by US Gov to speed up tire chip standardization to one read-back standard for highway usage).

    The AIAG is "The Automotive Industry Action Group"

    The non proprietary (non-sokymat controlled) standard is the AIAG B-11 standard is the "Tire Label and Radio Frequency Identification" standard

    "ADC" stands for "Automatic Data Collection"

    The "AIDCW" is the US gov manipulated "Automatic Identification Data Collection Work Group"

    The standard was started and finished rapidly in less than a year as a direct consequence of the Sep 11 attacks by Saudi nationals.

    I believe detection of the AIAG B-11 radio chips (RFIS serial number transponders) in the upgraded car tracking http://www.tadiran-telematics.com/products6.html is currently secret knowledge. Another reason to leave "finger print on Driver license" California, but Ohio gets it next, as will every other state eventually.

    The AIAG is claiming the chips reduce car theft, assist in tracking defects, and assists error-proofing the tire assembly process. But the real secret is that these 5 cent devices are a us government backed initiative to track citizens travel without their consent or ability to disable the transponders in any way.

    All tire manufacturers are forced to comply AIAG B-11 3.0 Radio Tire tracking standard by the 2004 model year.

    http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:gwhgWJnCf3o J: www.aiag.org/publications/b11.asp

    Viewing b11 synopsis is free, downloads from that are $10 and tracked by the FBI. Use the google cache to avoid leaving breadcrumbs.

    A huge (28 megabyte compressed zip) video of a tire being scanned remotely is at http://mows.aiag.org/ScriptContent/videos/ (the file is "video Aiagb-11.zip"). I would use a proxie when touching it. The FBI is monitoring the "curious" hackers.

    And just as showerheads are now illegal to import into the USA from Canada or mexico, as are drums of industrial Freon, and standard size toilets are illegal to import for home use, soon car tires

  18. Ok... by OneFix+at+Work · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So they can track when I buy a bar of soap...You know what...I'd not actually mind that someone knows that I bought some Irish Spring...maybe I actually want them to know that I like the product.

    Ppl are always spinning this RFID thing the wrong way. It's called a live inventory and it is already being done with the bar codes that they scan when you buy your bars of soap (or maybe you don't buy soap...I'm not one to judge). This is the biggest reason they want to do this. Besides serving as a replacement for a bar code, these things could also be used instead of those magnetic security scanners at the doors...you know, the ones that always go off because the cashier forgot to demagnetize the strip or didn't do it properly???

    I don't know what ppl are so concerned about. The only ppl that should have these things are stores and maybe your kitchen if you want to know about everything you have...

    Anything the store will know about you can already be gained by combining information from an ATM/Credit Card and the bar code scanner...

    1. Re:Ok... by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1
      Ppl are always spinning this RFID thing the wrong way.

      Terrorism, new viruses (the biological kind), economic chaos, SUVs, the continuing existence of "Friends" and unusual solar flare behavior simply aren't enough for many people. They must worry that the fact they bought Pop Tarts is being recordrd in a vast alien data vault buried beneath, oh, I dunno... Mt. Shasta? That's a mountain that figures into many conspiracy theories. And this database will be used to, oh, I dunno... steal their socks? Yeah. Socks.

      It's simply not enough for them to be concerned that Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich are allowed to continue making films. They have far more concern to go around than to only worry that Britney Spears felt the need to kiss some old hag on TeeVee. It's, like, epmathy, or something.

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    2. Re:Ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they can track when I buy a bar of soap

      Then it would seem that the slashbots have nothing to worry about.

    3. Re:Ok... by temojen · · Score: 1
      I'd not actually mind that someone knows that I bought some Irish Spring...maybe I actually want them to know that I like the product.

      You must certainly be an opressor of the hyperimmune!!! Down with the opressors of the hyperimmune!!!

      We shall scan their houses for RFID tags for Irish Spring, Bounce, and "Uekanuba Elderly Cat", round them up, and shame them for the enemies of the glorious revolutionary peoples immune liberation that they are!!

      But seriously, folks

      Anything the store will know about you can already be gained by combining information from an ATM/Credit Card and the bar code scanner...

      You can opt out of these by paying cash, not carrying a cell phone, and not collecting points/miles/whatever, and the information gathering ends the moment you walk out the door. With RFID tags there is no opt-out, no informed consent, and no off switch.

    4. Re:Ok... by prockcore · · Score: 1


      Anything the store will know about you can already be gained by combining information from an ATM/Credit Card and the bar code scanner...


      If RFIDs actually worked worth a damn, they'd be pretty convenient. Just push your grocery cart up to the cashier and the register instantly knows how much you owe.

    5. Re:Ok... by pmz · · Score: 1

      I don't know what ppl are so concerned about.

      What people are concerned about is the future. Inch by inch, our lives are becoming more transparent through technology rather than advancements in society. Created in parallel with these new technologies are laws intended for everything from tracking cattle for the USDA to kids at schools to child molesters to cars to you name it. Little by little these things become a part of us and our culture and gradually become day-to-day "necessities" or are simply a fact of life (as the DMV and auto registration is a "fact of life"). Eventually, there will be practically no opacity, even though people intuitively desire it, and every day we will need to navigate the new maze of laws. The fallout is inevitable, where today a person might simply be denied a drivers license due to a database flaw but, in the future, they may be flagged under the also-emerging anti-terrorist legislation, hunted down, and imprisoned for weeks. Inevitably, also, the sheer complexity of this maze will have its greatest impact on the poor and the poorly educated who are already struggling with the war on drugs and the IRS.

      This is the future that the founders of the USA were trying to protect us against. This is a future with no equality under the law, in practice. This is a future where disproportionate amounts of people's lives are consumed by complying with the government instead of doing useful, inventive, or pleasurable things. Basically, this could be a future where people look alive, but, really, they might as well be dead.

    6. Re:Ok... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > this could be a future where people look alive, but, really, they might as well be dead.

      Great! For once, I'm ahead of the curve on something!

  19. Things you should know about CASPIAN by Frac · · Score: 2, Informative

    CASPIAN is founded by Katherine Albrecht, a privacy spook (with an agenda to become famous) that has long fought against barcodes and supermarket discount shopping cards.

    The reason she has changed her target to focus on RFID is because... not one really listened to her when she whined about supermarket discount cards, by focusing on RFID she'll get more media attention (as she is now).

    1. Re:Things you should know about CASPIAN by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1
      CASPIAN is founded by Katherine Albrecht, a privacy spook (with an agenda to become famous) that has long fought against barcodes and supermarket discount shopping cards.

      Once again proving that Western civilization has far too much leisure time.

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    2. Re:Things you should know about CASPIAN by Kosi · · Score: 1

      that has long fought against barcodes and supermarket discount shopping cards.

      It makes sense fighting against these datamining-only tools like customer cards ans alike, which give no advantage to you, the customer who pays for the fscking thing, but tell the corps more and more about your habits.

      But I don't see the reason in resenting barcodes, as long as they are used to indentify just a specific product at the POS, not giving each single instance an own number like the RFID tags.

    3. Re:Things you should know about CASPIAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, her only agenda is to help educate consumers about the privacy invading technologies being implemented by supermarkets and other retailers...

      I've been a member of CASPIAN for a long time, and the only reason I joined is because I discovered what a scam those "discount cards" really were long before joining CASPIAN... When CASPIAN came on the scene, I was only too happy to join and help spread the word...

      In fact, CASPIAN has helped to beat back the invasive card, and to enlighten consumers who were otherwise being duped...

      Now that retailers are moving to RFID, Katherine is again alerting people to the dangers...

      I do however differ in my opinion of the RFID - it's coming because the advantages to business are too great for it to be ignored, so I'm going to have to learn how to live with it at some point. However, NOW is the time for all of us to set up restrictions on their use so we don't open ourselves up to privacy invasions (or other criminal acts...).

  20. Re:Your car tires have RFIDs in them ALREADY!!! by CycleMan · · Score: 1
    Wow. If my government's that good at tracking things, maybe next they'll put RFID in planes so they know when they're flying into buildings!

    [twisted humor]
    Scene:
    Man1: How's the warehouse inventory project going?
    Man2: Well, we've got 2504 cans of tuna fish, 478 radial tires, and one Boeing 747.
    Man1: A Boeing 747? WTF?
    Man2: No, WTC! Hahahaha!

    [/twisted humor]

  21. RFID source code (C#) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For my grad school class project, I had to design an API (based on TI's S6350). Tell me what you think.

  22. Valid use on non-Personal items by m11533 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While there are certainly plenty of issues surrounding use of RFID in personal items, I believe there are plenty of opportunities for their use in non-Personal items that carry none of these issues. For example, what if RFID were integrated into all of the multitude of assembly line and related devices found on a factory floor. They could then be used to quickly inventory the items currently in a specific area of that factory. Or, track the spare devices in a storage area, making it very easy to determine if there is a replacement for a failed part without having to search through multiple storage areas only to learn there is a discrepency between electronic records and what is physically present.

    Or, how about using RFID to track all items entering and leaving a construction site? This would provide very accurate and timely tracking of items arriving from suppliers, or being returned to suppliers.

    None of these examples has privacy issues, yet they offer new solutions to rather challenging issues. Chief among them is the ability to match up electronic records with physical reality without being nearly as vulnerable to human error.

  23. Re:Your car tires have RFIDs in them ALREADY!!! by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 2, Informative

    You haven't been taking your medication, have you?

    Listen carefully. *Any* RFID tag can be neutralized , when subjected to a strong enough field. Take your tires down to your neighborhood welder & have him strike a few arcs next to them.

    The "feds" can't find Whitey Bulger, they're not tracking you through your tires. Your cell phone is much easier.

  24. Latest news: Reynolds Wrap incorporates RFIDs! by hndrcks · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...thereby immensely frustrating the tinfoil hat community.

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  25. Soapbox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    It fits in a soapbox you say? Well do you mind getting of yours so I can scan my RFID tag...?

  26. Things you should know about CASPIAN-Catchacan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Once again proving that Western civilization has far too much leisure time."

    Yes, they do.

  27. Shall I cross the final frontier? by jaeson · · Score: 2, Funny

    I like how they tried to obscure the "Gillette Venus" printed on the boxes in the PDF file but the overlay image doesn't appear until the picture is completely loaded.

    This reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer builds a webpage and starts calling himself Mister X. When the web graphic loads, it first loads Homer's picture, and then loads the ? bag over his head. he he.

    Never thought I'd see it anyplace but on the Simpsons, but I guess with the recent /. articles on Tomacco & Skittlebrau I should have figured otherwise.

  28. Re:Close but a few facts wrong by tupps · · Score: 1

    It is not aliens, but gnomes and they are going to steal your underpants!

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  29. 2 lessons-Ship in bottle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's basically a note in a bottle form of tracking, and can't be tied to an individial (unless they want to be)

    1. Re:2 lessons-Ship in bottle. by Kenja · · Score: 1
      Sort of like RFID, unless you think that the NANO bots sample your DNA and send it to the centeral authority station for proccessing. If the stores and government WANTED to, they could track what bills where used to buy what merchansdise and if they have your information (like Radioshack etc try to get) they could tie you to the goods and bills.

      Note that they COULD do this, just like they COULD use RFID in the same way. All RFID is realy is a serial number.

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    2. Re:2 lessons-Ship in bottle. by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > All RFID is realy is a serial number.

      Umm, a discretely readable serial #... that you don't have to even be able to see, just be nearby.

  30. RFID vs Barcodes by Tracey12 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    HAHA! I read the entire pdf about RFID at Cryptome, and no matter how hard Walmart and P&G try, they will never ever have 100 percent registration of each and every pallet, case, etc. WHY???? Because in those very pretty pictures within the pdf were examples of just how nicely the sometimes HUGE label had to be applied. Each label was perfectly straight, and located exactly away from metal on the products to which they were attached.

    What I'm getting at is that in the real world, humans will never always place the RFID labels exactly in the right place! Never! And, did you notice the size of those darn labels??? They are huge, some of them!

    To me, this looks like a huge failure about to happen at Walmart's vendors expense.

    Here are reasons why these RFID labels will not work properly:

    1. Radio interference from many sources.
    2. Improper placement on item.
    3. Damage due to many reasons.
    4. Distance from antennas.
    5. Failure of antennas to stay properly tuned.

    These are just a few reasons.

    Barcodes are better and heres why:

    1. The barcode tags do not store personal data on them.
    2. They cannot be read from a distance without the use of a laser whereas RFID could be read from wihtin your package as you walk wthin a mall, or store, and even from one vehicle to another with the right equipment.
    3. Barcodes are already on everything, and require no additional expense to vendors.
    4. There are no real advantages to consumers for each and every item to be remarked with an RFID tag vs a barcode that is already on the item.

    But, to giants like Walmart, RFID tags are just ANOTHER way of tracking products. Barcodes are already used at all Walmart distribution centers to mark pallets and crates or boxes.

    Lastly, if you read the industry notes, you'll learn that RFID tags are becoming smart tags, and they will begin to be much more than mere number transmitters. In the future, RFID tags will be computers with storage ability and that will make you a walking target for stores and companies to monitor as you walk within stores or malls, you will be tracked, and your purchases identified even by other stores who want to see what you purchased at another store.

    Just say no, to RFID tracking before it gets out of hand.

    1. Re:RFID vs Barcodes by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      "Here are reasons why these RFID labels will not work properly:

      ...

      Barcodes are better and heres why

      ...

      They cannot be read from a distance without the use of a laser whereas RFID could be read from wihtin your package as you walk wthin a mall, or store, and even from one vehicle to another with the right equipment."


      So which is it? Are they kludgy failures that won't work, or the harbringer of Big Brother? Argue one or the other, but not both. I personally will like not having to wait so long in a checkout line while the nitwit at the cash register tries to find the UPC code on the box of orange juice I have in my cart.

    2. Re:RFID vs Barcodes by Tracey12 · · Score: 1

      Will you mind being bombarded by radio frequency while waiting in line? You do know don't you, that the RF in RFID means Radio Frequency and in order for the RFID tag to work, it must be present in a powerful radio field? Whereas a barcode is read by mere light, the technology of the RFID tag forces all customers in the check out lane, and the store employees to be exposed to potentially dangerous electromagnetic fields. Consider the staff at a Walmart distribution center. There are hundreds of lanes where trucks paark to unload. There will be many RFID scanners inside an all metal building. The people working there will have a high exposure level.

    3. Re:RFID vs Barcodes by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      ??? This is FUD if I've ever heard it. What will these fields do? Will they have anymore effect than color television or my computer monitor? How about background radio waves from outerspace? The sun? My television? Anything the FCC regulates? Puh-leeze, pure FUD.

    4. Re:RFID vs Barcodes by Tracey12 · · Score: 1

      Hmmm me thinks you complain too much. Are you involed in the RFID industry?

    5. Re:RFID vs Barcodes by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      Hahah, no sorry. Just a programmer here. I'm sure you'd like there to be a conspiracy though. (I wouldn't want to work in the industry as they'd probably track my paycheck to the bank!!!)

      And who is doing the complaining? You didn't even respond to my question? What "radio waves" are you talking about?

      Of course, this conversation is a bit stale, so I won't be surprised or offended if you don't respond.

    6. Re:RFID vs Barcodes by Tracey12 · · Score: 1

      How is the RF or radio frequency generated that contains the data which is then feed to the antennas? The RFID tag must be inside of an RF field. The tag uses the energy of a specific frequency to power its circuits. The RFID tag transmits its serial number or other data when inside the RF field which may be dangerous to work around .

    7. Re:RFID vs Barcodes by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      Please provide a reference where RFID transmitter emmisions violate safety standards, or did you just guess? Thanks.

    8. Re:RFID vs Barcodes by Tracey12 · · Score: 1

      Have you seen any safety standards regarding cell phone usage that suggest limiting the time you hold the phone against your head while radiating your brain? Have you read the warnings in the box that came with your 30mw wireless router? You should. There is a warning about how much distance you should place between yourself and the 2.4 Ghz signal. Im assuming you know the max power level and frequency of your cell phonr. Dont trust the government or industy with your health.. Standing close to a continous radio transmitter eight hours each day may have an adverse effect on your health. Tracey

    9. Re:RFID vs Barcodes by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      Don't trust the government.

      Read the warnings...placed by...the good people that made the item? Oh, the one the government made them put there?

      I'm assuming these devices will undergo the same type of saftey checks, etc. And again, sitting in front of a continuous radiation emitter (i.e. your monitor) is what you really should worry about if your concerned with such things.

  31. Oh boy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The kooks and extremists will be coming out of the woodwork over this story. Turn off the Alex Jones and quit reading your From the Wilderness newsletters for a minute and get it in your head that the Patriot Act, the War on Drugs, the War in Iraq, gun control/bans, DMCA, NAFTA, GATT, FTAA, globalism, income tax, social programs, etc are good and necessary to ensure our freedom.

    So, quit listening to filth and learn the truth. The government is here to help and this RFID is a good thing if it helps the government track you.

    1. Re:Oh boy... by Gwala · · Score: 1
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  32. 2 lessons-Ship in bottle.-II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just for the sake of argument. How do you think they will do that? Think about it very carefully, because you know you don't want people to be poking holes in your argument.

  33. Re:Your car tires have RFIDs in them ALREADY!!! by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

    Exactly. WTF does the government want to know where you and your POS Gremlin are going? (Actually, I can infer wherethe grandparent poster is probably going: a) to the doctor, b) from the doctor, c) to the park to sleep, or d) Down to the gun store at the command of the radio voice they put in his head). Everytime I see an RFID article I do an automatic rolleyes to prepare myself for the first comment. You are already trackable via credit card and cell phone, and the gov't hasn't bothered you yet. ... Or are they? Dun dun dun!!!

  34. Re:RFID vs Barcodes: Some Benefits of RFID by G4from128k · · Score: 1

    You raise a series of very good points (especialy 1, 2, 3 in the RFID set and #2 and 3 of the barcode set). But there is another side to some of the points you raise.

    4. There are no real advantages to consumers for each and every item to be remarked with an RFID tag vs a barcode that is already on the item.

    Not so. There are number of benefits to consumers. These go beyond lower costs from more efficient handling of product and less theft of products. Three example applications that benefit consumers are:

    1. Automated inventory management in the home. With a home scanner, say on the refrigerator or the front door, everything you bring in or take out is tracked. If one person in the house drinks the last of the milk and throws out the carton, the scanner(s) note the potential need for milk.

    2. Product recall: With these chips, the retailer knows who bought which lots of a product. If a product recall is initiated, the supplier can alert the retailer and the retailer can contact the customer.

    3. Prevention of counterfeit medicines. Apparently some people steal medicine containers out of hospital dumpsters, refill them and resell them. IDing all the containers and flagging the discards prevents this. It also prevents other forms of counterfeiting in which criminals make copies of pharmaceutical packaging. Again, the ID creates traceability (to the extent that the criminals don't also hack the databases)

    1. The barcode tags do not store personal data on them.

    Actually, the RFID chips promoted by the Auto-ID people don't "store" any personal data. The chip only contains a unique ID code - a database has all the "personal" data associated with the ID. Unless you have access to the database, the data on the chip is useless because its just a code number. Bar codes can be unique and associated with databases - just look at the bar codes on UPS parcels. Any privacy issues (with either Auto-ID or unique bar coding) is more with the database, than with the chip. OK, its a minor distinction, but it adds hurdles to criminal exploitation of RFID.

    Just say no, to RFID tracking before it gets out of hand.

    I agree with you on the potential threat from some abusive applications of RFID. But to ban the entire technology seems a bit excessive. I'd rather work to ensure that it can be used safely.

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  35. What about recycling? by rdeadman · · Score: 1

    If RFID tags become common in every product, as some seem to be suggesting, does this mean that cardboard boxes will no longer be recylable since there are electronics hidden in the paper layers? Has anyone considered this angle or am I really out of it?

    1. Re:What about recycling? by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > does this mean that cardboard boxes will no longer be recylable

      Well' I don't think it would make a whole lot of difference, since these things are so small. I'm guessing that in the recycling process, the tags would be destroyed somehow and ground up & becomes part of the new cardboard. Maybe the destroyed tags will start interfering with active tags attached to recycled boxes. Either that or a solar flare will activate a part of a destroyed one, causing a spark and burning down the warehouse. That would be some crazy shit if suddenly 100 warehouses went up in flames because they used recycled materials. "Save the environment!" Oh, the irony.

      Granted, this is all a guess; your question is very interesting.

  36. Wal*Mart, P&G already tested them in the field by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 1
    And they did it without telling anybody, and they even set up a secret camera to watch remotely.

    And Gillette did about the same, too.

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  37. RFID for the RFID? by ralphh · · Score: 1

    Whatcha gonna do when you misplace your RFID scanner, Sherlock? :-)

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  38. Re:Your car tires have RFIDs in them ALREADY!!! by jjshoe · · Score: 0

    This is obviously a karma whore, the information listed is false. The next time you get a flat keep the tire and cut it open. You'll know who to trust then.

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  39. Re:Your car tires have RFIDs in them ALREADY!!! by davegust · · Score: 1

    Why are you so worried about this? We already have laws mandating clear, trackable identification of automobiles via license plates. In fact, we must actively register our vehicles for this purpose. Optical scans of license plate numbers are already in place in many cities for ticketing red-light infractions, speeding, and emissions monitoring. This is all much more sinister that any potential misuse of RFIDs in tires that are designed to track failures. Big brother is already watching.

    BTW - I feel that Firestone was made a scapegoat for the bigger problem of oversized vehicles riding on underinflated passenger tires driven by a poorly trained populace.

  40. Shoes scare me a lot more by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Consider this; They could easily put RFID tags in shoes and read them a lot more reliably than getting information out of an RFID tag through steel belting. Of course it won't work while you're driving, but the moment you step on the sensor, you've been fingered. Or should I say, toed.

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  41. Re:Your car tires have RFIDs in them ALREADY!!! by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

    -1 Paranoid

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  42. In Soviet London... by ecloud · · Score: 0, Troll

    everybody's watching you, not just Big Brother. I mean, there is the world's highest density of street surveillance cameras, right? And the well-known snoopy journalists and paparrazi? and those damned speed-tracking and automatic citation systems - nobody else is quite so thorough about that yet.

    Orwell's 1984 and the movie Brazil are both very distinctively English, probably for good reason.

    So I always assume that London is going to continue to be the leader in the transition to a world devoid of privacy. (And the USA may be right behind, the way things are going. Or maybe Australia.)

    Not that I don't still want to visit the UK someday. :-)

    1. Re:In Soviet London... by JohnFluxx · · Score: 1

      I would have thought one of Ireland's cities would have the highest density of street cameras. Belfast perhaps.

    2. Re:In Soviet London... by mikerich · · Score: 1
      So I always assume that London is going to continue to be the leader in the transition to a world devoid of privacy. (And the USA may be right behind, the way things are going. Or maybe Australia.)

      Nope, we're ahead again. The government has just decided that all Britons are going to have to have biometric ID cards linked to a centralised government database. All in a country that has no written constitution, essentially no freedom of information, detention without trial, the acceptance of evidence gained under torture in criminal trials, where the police have repeatedly been found to be institutionally racist and with a government who thinks that George Bush is the best thing to come out of Texas since crude oil.

      Apparently we need Big Brother surveillance because: (and I quote) 'In this country we have a proud tradition of being a free and open society. Freedoms are not only embedded in our democracy, but in the very way we live our lives.'

      So do we have the freedom to vote against this proposal? - errr no.

      But to be fair to Blunkett and friends, the government did hold a consultation exercise. Okay they tried not to tell anyone about it, but they did have one. 66% of the people who responded voted against ID cards - which was a bit of a problem for a government hell-bent on introducing them (despite not having made up its mind) So the Home Office excluded all those people who had sent in responses via groups such as Liberty. Et voila! 66% against becomes 60% in favour!

      Honestly, I don't know why the US is bothering with electronic voting, a few British statisticians will get you the results you want.

      You can read the whole Orwellian document here (PDF document).

      Best wishes,
      Mike.

  43. Much possible with this idea.. by rofthorax · · Score: 1

    Is this like a bluetooth that works on
    the energy coming from a radio dish?
    I thought the FBI was using this to
    bug buildings.. I usually just tickle
    them with feathers..

    Anyhow, given that your radio dishes whirl around and are able to determine the precise
    angle a correlating ID is from multiple radio
    beacons, as with GPS, if your have about 4 points of reference and a unique ID, you can determine a 3D coordinate of the particular item.. So to say they might with RFID's over a period of time be able to track the location
    and possibly the orientation, depending on how many RFID's are on the snickers bar and the precise amount of time it takes for the signal to return to the radio dishes.. So if someone really wanted to, they probably could use these
    RFID tags and radar atenaes to do motion capture
    for a IK chain.. Hey cheap 3D data collection!!

    Anyhow.. I always say, what the net and the world needs is more accountability.. And more forgiveness.. Less of both of these is a bad thing.. Less forgiveness and more accountability
    produces clique cultures (" we don't want you in our clique because you promote all these products we don't, you wierdo"). More forgiveness and less accountability produces (" nobody will know I'm over here building a bomb.. And will spring it thus forth on these unsuspecting people.. ") or (" Nobody will know I'm a sex crazed nazi eskimo who is turned on by teh same stuff ed wood is.. ") . Who really cares about your personal fetishes, come on.. But if you like sleeping with nuclear warheads, I really would like to know about that..

    When I was in new york, I had attended conferences on the subject of tracking people's cellphone, and the issue that came up with the businessmen was, would they be able to keep their secret life with their lovers seperate from their wives in the case of the wifes curiousity.. Hey if your wife is curious enough,
    that just bypasses the whole trust part of marriage, right? And if you are concerned about it, you shouldn't be cheating.. I think some people forget why they got married int he first place.. To keep up with the joneses!! Yes..
    Ha! Well there was some discussion in the conferences about systems to control the amount of accountability at every level, where the beacons should be required by law to only allow certain kinds of information to be collected and transponded.. I'm wondering how this is being handled.. And if your researchers are wondering baout the correlation of the ids and if they can be distributed, hey go check out the PIDS healthcare id specification on the OMG website, disregard the CORBA implementation, its a good spec.. And can be modified to protect those being tracked, can unify the ids across domains without trrusting relationships, and is vendor independent and enforceable by the government and standards committees.. Makes me wonder why our healthcare ids are not currently being managed with this system..

    It basically works like this, you have at every beacon a database of ids, and when any database comes to know of a new id, it sends the id to everyone about it, along with the source information about the id.. Then the other sites can associate an additional local id, so as to keep the precise id away from lesser priviledged machines.. If so needed.. And the ids can be
    given extra attributes, like this id has this eye color, skin color, blood type, address.. But it doesn't have to have any of these.. Hey it may save your life one day.. Lets say you went into a store, you bought a sniker bar and you
    went to the counter, paid for the snicker bar, the RFID is correlated to the credit card you use, then you get into a car crash, all your id is destroyed by the gasoline fire, your face is mostly burned or difigured.. No form of id, if the car was demolished and nothing can be salvaged, lets say for instance you might have been on a bus, or for whatever reason the only form of id on you is that danged snicker bar with the RFID, well if using a pids system they can query ba

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    1. Re:Much possible with this idea.. by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > do motion capture for a IK chain

      Excuse my ignorance, but what's an IK chain?

  44. That's a mighty small load of I-beams... by Atragon · · Score: 1
    Um, one big hole in automated inventory by RFID tags...

    *imagine if you will, the year is 2020, RFID tags are in common use for automated inventory, the location, a construction site for a high-rise...

    A truck pulls up to the gate, the driver waves his pass-wand (a battery powered RFID chip) at the reader, the gate opens and the driver slowly pulls the truck through the arch (a reader).

    As the truck pulls through the reader (which reads RFID tags in the shipping box labels), a tally shows up on the foreman's PDA (wirelessly connected to the construction site's server). The shipment of ball bearings and wing nuts has arrived, not needing the shipment at the moment, he directs the driver to park the trailer in a quiet corner of the yard via instant messaging.

    The driver then parks the trailer in the indicated corner of the yard, and leaves, again, he waves his pass-wand at the reader on his way out, and drives off into the sunset.

    Two days later, when the wing nuts are finally needed, the foreman opens up the trailer and discovers a single cardboard box sitting in the trailer. What happened? The tags said it was full. The answer, some greedy bastard stuffed a box full of the proper RFID tags into the trailer, and thanks to automated inventory, nobody thought to look.*

    Of course, this scenario is somewhat far-fetched, but it serves to demonstrate a major downside of fully automated inventory.

    1. Re:That's a mighty small load of I-beams... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > this scenario is somewhat far-fetched, but it serves to demonstrate a major downside of fully automated inventory

      Not only farfetched, but unrelated. Sort of. The same thing could happen today. Driver comes w/ wing nuts & contractor tells him to put them in the corner, so he does. The person doing the unloading might notice the boxes are too light, but they would have noticed that with just RFIDs as well.

      Maybe you are seeing something I am not, so how would RFIDs cause the problem? Either way, the problem is that the foreman didn't look in the box (the lazy bastard).

    2. Re:That's a mighty small load of I-beams... by Atragon · · Score: 1

      What I was trying to get across is that with reliable automated inventory systems, errors which place the wrong tag with the product are more likely to go un-noticed. This could have major impacts in the case of hospitals, the military, and other critical applications.

  45. Re:Wal*Mart, P&G already tested them in the fi by prockcore · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ahaha, that boycott gillette site is retarded. Oh no, they're taking photos of you in a public place! Look at all the scruffy men buying razorblades!

    You'd think it would have dawned on them that the security cameras in nearly every store is indeed recording them. Boycott going outside because you might get videotaped!

    The people at the grocery store might even find out about that special ointment you tried to hide under the carton of eggs.

  46. Can these be used in money? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Not for tracking, but for authentication? I'm getting a bit tired of my $20's changing every few years, with newer and better printing processes. Heck, if you showed me five "new" twenty dollar bills and asked me to find one or more counterfits I wouldn't have a chance.

    Give me a handy-dandy rf interrogator which checks the validity of the internal key with a one-way hash and gives me a true or false. Sure, you could still just copy a number, but then they'd all be the same, and a smart reader would flag any repeats in a checked set. The keygens for WinXP I've seen take several seconds per attempt, and minutes to generate a valid key on a fast desktop machine...and it's only a 140 bit key (or thereabouts).

    Any possibility of this?

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    1. Re:Can these be used in money? by Chop · · Score: 1

      Is just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?

      There are way too many stupid people.

      Chop

  47. PDF with slashdotted notice-- by celerityfm · · Score: 1

    Wow I think this the first time I've seen a PDF file with a "omg we've been slashdotted" notice pointing to a mirror site.

    Hmmm.

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  48. So What? by gillbates · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The last few months, I've gone from caring to indifferent in regards to RFID's. The reason? Visible Light.

    With Visible Light, the FBI can track anyone, anywhere. In case you haven't noticed, they already have cameras which can read license plates, and from distances much longer than the few meters of RFIDs. RFID's are a moot point - the technology for tracking people using Visible Light already exists, and is already installed.

    Eavesdropping technology is a red herring designed to distract the public from the real issue - that is, our legal system isn't entirely just. There have always been ways to frame the innocent, and there have always been ways to coerce and intimidate. The absence (sp?) of RFID's isn't going to prevent the government from oppressing people; last I checked, we are still "detaining" Muslim "persons of interest" for extended periods of time. Now tell me, what do RFID's have to do with that?

    RFID's are a moot point. The real issue is the Federal Government's lack of accountability to the public.

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    1. Re:So What? by pmz · · Score: 1


      The real issue is the Federal Government's lack of accountability to the public.

      Ding! We have a winner!

    2. Re:So What? by phr1 · · Score: 1
      I think RFID makes the tracking a lot easier. Sure, they can put license plate cameras in high-maintenance locations like tollbooths and border crossings, but they can put RFID readers in a lot more places (think of one in every parking meter in every city) since the RFID reader can be completely out of site, doesn't have to worry about its lens getting dirty, doesn't need a sophisticated computer or large amounts of storage behind it, etc.

      Now wait til they start putting RFID's in US passports (starting 2007, I think). As Markus Kuhn pointed out, that will make it possible for terrorists to plant bombs that only blow up when Americans are nearby.

  49. Re:Your car tires have RFIDs in them ALREADY!!! by pmz · · Score: 1

    I feel that Firestone was made a scapegoat for the bigger problem of oversized vehicles riding on underinflated passenger tires driven by a poorly trained populace.

    From what I've heard another big-name tire manufacturer was spared the humiliation, because they were better able to show that user-negligence caused any "tread separation" failures with that brand of tire.

    In the media, it was reported that one Firestone factory had quality control problems. If so, that is a very isolatable and fixable problem. Also, other Firestone tires generally don't have that problem. My car came with Firestone OEM tires that, while kind of on the cheap side, are just fine. I'll probably replace them with Bridgestones or Goodyears, anyway, partly due to brand loyalty.

  50. Re:Your car tires have RFIDs in them ALREADY!!! by pmz · · Score: 1


    So, you're saying my hover car is safe? Or...are they also putting RFIDs in to the anti-graviton emitters, too?!?

  51. for the foil hats like me. by musikit · · Score: 1

    is there anything i could buy that i could carry around with me that i could use to see if things are actively transmitting a radio signal?

    with everything being RFID enabled soon. i'd kinda like a little hand held GBA looking thing that scans for a transmission and disables it. or just something i can turn on and off that will emit a stronger signal blocking all 2.4ghz devices, cell phones, RFID, etc. from being able to receive/send info.

  52. don't trust it by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

    'In March 2001 a team comprised of Auto-ID Center sponsors (technology & end users) was assembled to plan and implement a Field Test aimed at taking the Auto-ID EPC technology from the laboratory to the real world environment with the objective of proving the power and effectiveness of the EPC and to blaze a trail for future adoption'

    Well gee, it sounds like they decided what the outcome of the test needed to be before they even began. How convenient!

    I'm betting the numbers are so heavily fudged that they can be used as a hot ice cream topping.

  53. Re:Your car tires have RFIDs in them ALREADY!!! by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

    fbi shills kept marking my message to -1 to silence this post

    Your bizarre, unsubstantiated, unsubstantiable anti-governmental conspiracy theory would be entirely unremarkable, except for this new Slashdot-related twist on the old "I'm being silenced for telling THE TRUTH" bit. I gotta give you credit, you're taking kookery to whole new places.

  54. Remember! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your mare has NO RFID number!

  55. You obviously don't understand RFID by coinreturn · · Score: 1

    All that is transmitted is a unique serial number. So what if you transmit a ton of serial numbers? You'll just more uniquely identify yourself.

    1. Re:You obviously don't understand RFID by hawkbug · · Score: 1

      The point is, the serial numbers I would be transmitting may or may not already be in use by somebody else, may overlap, and in general, simply destroy any tracking data they had collected on me because it would be entirely watered down with useless crap.

    2. Re:You obviously don't understand RFID by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      I suppose. However, the serial number is a LOT of bits, thereby having a LOT of unique values. You will probably just have a LOT of identifications.

  56. Has anyone come up with a RF "Umbrella"? by WarmBoota · · Score: 1

    It would be interesting to walk through RFID-Land encased in an RF Umbrella that just produced a stream of gibberish on common RFID Frequencies.

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  57. What I want out of RFID tags by DRACO- · · Score: 1

    Being an "Inventory Specialist" for a walmart store I want enough rfid tags to put on every pallet in the store. From there, I want to create a database which I log in the rifd tag and the barcodes and contents of the pallet, then shrink wrap and slot the pallet for retreival 2 weeks to 2 months later. Now I dont really require an exact count of everything on said pallet (I would be stupid to wish that as things fall off, are removed, ripped off, stocked, trashed, destroyed, etc). I just want to know generally where the heck things are better than I do now.

    Currently my mornings include a 15 min walk in which I take a mental note of where certain bulk items are on the floor, then what bulk items are in lofts.

    At any random moment I could have a department manager call me, or walk up and ask where they could find such and such item, Bulk, feature, or just regular freight and I have to remember where I have seen it. I have a photogenic memory, but it's memory.. I can remember where an object was a month ago, but between now and then it has been moved by some hapless nutcase with a forklift key.

    If I had rfid tags on every pallet, spend 30 seconds per pallet to collect pallet id, contents and last known location while moving the pallet from one side of the warehouse to its resting place--be it, loft space, bin space, floor space, container or sales floor--I would be able to look up a last known location, then just start doing a rfid tag sweep from there to find the pallet and hopefully it's contents. I would probably save 2 hours every day.

    DRACO-

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  58. Goate.cx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parent is goate.cx