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Discussing Changes For Older Videogame Players?

Thanks to GameCritics for their feature discussing how a person's videogame experiences change as they get older. Talking with gamers as old as 30 (!), they ask if reflexes are dulled ("The only time I notice slowed reflexes is when I stop playing twitch games for while, which is pretty rare"), consider shifts in preferred genres ("Now that I'm older, I really don't have the time to play long, drawn-out games anymore"), and discuss how gaming affects their relationships ("I'm pretty single right now so I can't answer, but my email address is listed on the bio page. I just wanted people to know that.")

46 comments

  1. Old, I Dunno ... by Mad_Fred · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Am I the only one who feels a bit weird when reading something like this and see 30-something being considered old? It can't be that hard to find some older gamers, and that would seem much more interesting to me. After all, people who already had children of their own before they even heard of computer games should have quite different insights into the topic.

    I keep thinking of a friend's mom here. She's a retired mother of four, owns three generations of Nintendo consoles and has played through most adventure games (the Zelda and Myst kinds) she can get her hands on. There's an interesting interview subject, and a slightly more unique one too I'd think.

    1. Re:Old, I Dunno ... by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i wonder how much of it's just a social issue, they don't do it because they're not excepted to do it(or don't want to do it because it's a "young people thing"). however all this might change when the new generations reach those ages(of retirement), though maybe the old people now nowadays could learn to enjoy them for the sake of good stories as well.. i mean if they can watch bold & beautiful everyday they could pretty well play(and watch somebody play) some (even more) simplified sims type of game. at least i know what i'll do if i ever get stuck into a retirement home!

      one friends mother was a _lot_ into tetris.

      so many books, so litte time. so many movies, so little time. so many games, so little time. playing games can take a lot of time and some old people have a lot of it.

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    2. Re:Old, I Dunno ... by robson · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who feels a bit weird when reading something like this and see 30-something being considered old?

      Yes, and the problem lies in the conventional belief that video games are for children. 30-something is only "old" if you think games are for 12-year-olds.

    3. Re:Old, I Dunno ... by Worminater · · Score: 2, Informative

      30 old? haha, yea.

      My CS clan has a number of old farts in it... and let me stress the "farts" part;)

      Let me just look through whos in the irc chat right now... ok, first name is im assuming around 28 years old, has a nice kegerator in his house. Second nam eon the list... ulp, i think this ones 27 or so. Lez see... next is 20... then me(20..) then a 16 year old, and then a 15 year odl, both whos father plays and is in the clan, considering that, i would put him at least 40 i'm assuming. We also have 3-4 more between 28 and 35 year olds in the group.

      consider us an old clan? Mature is a more likeable term, it has lead to us being around for what, 3 years now...? :-D mmm counter-strike

    4. Re:Old, I Dunno ... by n0wak · · Score: 1

      It should be clarified that the article is a discussion with the site's official critics, of which the oldest are barely 30. It's not an issue of finding 40+ year old gamers, of which there are many; it's just an editorial with the game critic's opinions.

  2. Pretty single? by Ianoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    He's "pretty single"? If he's single at age 30 and has pasty skin and overdeveloped wrists (from all that staying in and playing games) I'd suggest he's ugly single!

  3. To be older than 30(!) is not that bad by hbackert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article makes it sound like no one older than 30(!) can enjoy playing computer games...I'm even older...

    Anyway, my experience is, as it's also written in the article, once you work, you have more money but less time. Once you have family and children, there's less money again, and even less time. But friends of mine used to do small LAN parties (50% of the time playing games, the rest was spent by BBQing, eating, drinking, talking) and they were older than 30(!). Some even had children. You don't do this every week, but once in 2 months is fine. And it was much fun.

    Also once you get older, you don't play games to win or tell your friends you finished a game faster than they did. Playing for play's sake.

    And yes, I play my GameboyAdvance in the subway when I have nothing else to do. And I am rarely the only one doing that. It's nice to live in Japan :-)

    1. Re:To be older than 30(!) is not that bad by Angry+Toad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm 39 and still play games whenever I have time - which is a lot less frequently now with parenting, work, and all. I don't anticipate ever stopping completely, simply because they're fun. Why should I stop just because I've hit a particular year?

      I do notice that my reactions aren't quite as good as many clearly younger players - I'm pretty consistently in the middle of the pack in an Unreal Tournament game, for instance. There seems to be a level about which I'm unlikely to move now. On the other hand that means I'm consistenly whipping the ass of at least half the people younger than me as well :)

      One type of game I've dropped entirely is long RPG-type games. I just plain don't have the time for them, and the work/reward ratio of spending five hours hack&slashing just to get my little blob of pixels to go up a level does not seem worth it to me. I'd rather play with my kids.

    2. Re:To be older than 30(!) is not that bad by BinLadenMyHero · · Score: 1
      > once you work, you have more money but less time
      You know:
      • When you are young, you have time and energy, but no money
      • When adult, you have energy and money, but no time
      • When old, you have money, time, but no energy.
      Such is life.. :-(
    3. Re:To be older than 30(!) is not that bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (30!) is pretty old. I hope I don't live that long.

    4. Re:To be older than 30(!) is not that bad by Helpless+Will · · Score: 1

      I'm 33, still singleish, and between working and dating I've found my time for gaming has gone way down. I think that's a given at this age, but I find, unlike you, I opt for the longer rpg type games.

      I get a great deal of time out of one game, spreading it out into a couple hour at a time chunks over several weeks, and it winds up saving me a ton of cash compared to back when I went through a couple of games a week. Then again, these are always the sorts of games I've enjoyed. /shrug.

      -H

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  4. Priorities by vigilology · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As you get older your priorities change. You start to see the world in a different light. At the moment I'm "between jobs". You'd think I'd have plenty of time to play the games that I want to. I have, but I don't. I don't because I feel it's more important to spend that precious time on gaining the skills needed to get another job. Only then will I have real time to play games. Oh, the ignorance of youth.

    1. Re:Priorities by bigman2003 · · Score: 1

      I just had surgery on Friday.

      I've got 10 days of recovery where I am forced to sit on my ass. Good thing I went out and bought 4 new games before surgery!

      The point is - yes, you are right. If you are 'older' and unemployed, you need to be out there looking for a job, not playing games. But occasionally, you are in a position where playing games fits right into your schedule.

      I wonder if this will be my last big hurrah of video game play...

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  5. Great quote. by moonboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I'm pretty single right now so I can't answer, but my email address is listed on the bio page. I just wanted people to know that."

    I love it. That's sure to get him a few dates at least ;-)

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  6. l33t gamers and dating sims... by chendo · · Score: 1

    This is what happens when you put l33t gamers in front of a dating sim.

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    1. Re:l33t gamers and dating sims... by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      damn, that comic never ceases to amaze me in its lack of humor.

  7. it's more casual after 30. Less gaming, more doing by Selecter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm 40, and still enjoy Battlefield 1942/Desert Combat. I really dont care to play anything else. When I was younger I played every single quality FPS I could get my hands on. Doom, Quake I, Some of the quality DOS based games like Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, too. ( which was awesome for it's time )

    As time goes by, gaming is less and less important to me, the same way that building my own machine and futzing around with op systems is. Been there, done that, over and over. Now I just want a machine that gets out of my way and makes it easy to do things. Had a Mac but sold it becuase it was DOG ASS slow compared to my Windows box. Now that the G5 is out I'm thinking about the Mac again. It was really easy to do quality digital photography on the Mac.

    I'd rather have a computer that helps me in other area of life instead of just being a hobby into and of itself these days.

  8. my experiences by shoptroll · · Score: 1

    I know that as I've gotten older I've moved more into certain genres and such.

    I started playing games at 5, I'm now 20.

    A lot of my tastes have changed in the last 3 years.

    I never used to play 1st person shooters, now I play a few, mostly unreal series.
    I had a thing for 'craft (Starcraft, Warcraft) games and other RTS but I've seemed to have lost interest in that genre.

    However, my affinity for platformers and RPGs (pretty much all Squaresoft ones) hasn't really gone anywhere.

    Oh, and in the last year my faith in Nintendo was renewed.

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    1. Re:my experiences by mausmalone · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty much in the same timeframe, but my tastes have been going the other way. I used to play a lot of zelda and the occasional RPG, plenty of platformers... lots of games that took forever to complete. Now I don't have nearly as much time and I've been enjoying 5-minute action games a lot. I play Ikaruga, Border Down, and Sega Arcade Gallery a lot these days.

      It seems as I should be slowing down, I'm picking up faster and faster games. Then again, maybe it's just the company I keep. Nevertheless, Disgaia looks like it might drag me back into adventure/strategy games.

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  9. LSS by 6pak · · Score: 1, Insightful

    with people as old as 30 (!) still playing games, developers should probably start thinking about games that can run on a life-support-system platform... yeeez

    1. Re:LSS by Frag+Rind · · Score: 1

      Oh my God! 30 years old! That's so old
      (This comment was dripping with sarcasm.)

  10. Better than TV by der_joachim · · Score: 1

    I play computer games instead of watching TV. There are a few good shows and programs, but most is crap. So why watch? Sometimes I buy, borrow or rent a DVD and I watch the news, but that's basically it.
    Often, when I come home from work, I feel mentally exhausted. A good way to empty my mind is to play a computer game. But i do not want to use the grey fluff between my ears, so it's mostly FPS for me then.
    When I was still at high school and later at University, I used to prefer games which had long storylines or were otherwise time-consuming. Now I prefer games that I can play 'in-beteween', no bothering with stories, quests, finding the exit of the level, et cetera. I ocasionally play some Morrowind, but I really prefer short and brutish games.

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  11. I agree on the "old" thing... by jermyjerm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They ask a 23 year old about physical changes that might keep him from playing games... that's just absurd. I'm 22, and judging by the fact that I've witnessed people as old as 40 or 50 (so ancient!!) still able to use their hands like a regular young person, I don't see any major changes altering the way I play games in the near future. But seriously, judging by the title I was hoping they found gamers aged 60+ who might have to worry about joint problems and waning eye sight in their future. I've played games my whole life, and I don't see that stopping any time soon. I often wonder if I'll be held back by such issues, and I wonder if game companies will accomodate older gamers in the future with larger controllers (xbox 2,3,etc will already have this covered) and other devices to help them play comfortably.

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    1. Re:I agree on the "old" thing... by Net_Wakker · · Score: 1
      But seriously, judging by the title I was hoping they found gamers aged 60+ who might have to worry about joint problems and waning eye sight in their future.
      My mom still played red alert and rayman when she was 61, no joint-problems there. Her reflexes weren't as fast as those of younger players, but if you adjust the gamespeed accordingly, that's not a problem. My dad played Duke Nukem a lot in his 60s, but never managed the endboss. He'd call my mother to finish that one of for him.
  12. Re:it's more casual after 30. Less gaming, more do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I'm 40, and still enjoy Battlefield 1942/Desert Combat. I really dont care to play anything else. When I was younger I played every single quality FPS I could get my hands on.

    Hahaaha early 30's is not "younger" than 40.

  13. It's called developing taste by Kris_J · · Score: 3, Insightful
    As a kid you'll play every crappy game just like you'll watch every crappy sitcom. As your experience grows and you're exposed to more and more good stuff you start to reject the bottom of the barrel.

    Also, you learn what the warning signs of crap are and you don't even give it a chance.

    1. Re:It's called developing taste by Frag+Rind · · Score: 1

      You always have to be careful with those warning signs of crap though. I have at least a couple of good friend who think they know what those are and are horribly mistaken. Even if you are near positive you know those signs, at least get a second opinion.

    2. Re:It's called developing taste by evilhayama · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that you start -buying- games when you are older and have regular employment. Once you start paying for games instead of pirating them, you have to make choices about whether it's worth laying down actual funds to get the game.

      That's speculation of course, I've never pirated anything *ahem*

    3. Re:It's called developing taste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "... think they know what those are and are horribly mistaken."

      Yep. That's called "elitism". Glad you can see through it. Too bad your friends can't.

    4. Re:It's called developing taste by Anthony+Boyd · · Score: 1
      Also, you learn what the warning signs of crap are and you don't even give it a chance.

      As a 32 year-old, I wish I had known that I had developed this "crap-detection" skill, because I somehow managed to buy Lionheart.

  14. Re: First Mac Zealot Post by Frag+Rind · · Score: 1

    First of all, What the h3ll does this have anything to do with this article? And second of all, macs aren't stupid if you are in imaging. I'm not a mac user myself, but at least I'm open minded enough to see other points of view. Honestly, you have the maturity of a third grader...

  15. Views of a 31 year old. by Domini · · Score: 1

    I'm 31.5 years old, and until recently I have still played competitive 1v1 1st person shooters. (Quake 3, Half-Life, Wolfenstein, Tron 2.0)

    I've now stopped playing in competitions due to time constraints, as I've mastered accuracy, timing and control. (Can do rocket to rail jump on q3dm6) I also still play RTS games as well. (Warcraft III). But also love Morrowind, NWN type games.

    I find however that my reflexes do not improve so much anymore, and I do not master new tricks as easily. I'm still a reasonable player, but younger players (13yrs old) seem to catch up easily.

    I'm just glad I honed my skills early on, since I think they will stay with me for some time yet to come.

    1. Re:Views of a 31 year old. by prockcore · · Score: 1


      I find however that my reflexes do not improve so much anymore, and I do not master new tricks as easily.


      I've noticed this as well. I'm nearly 30 and I've found that some of my favorite old games are a lot harder now. I sometimes feel like I'm cheating my way through games now. Getting past a part, saving, getting past another part, saving.

      I still have my NES hooked up, but I'm not able to just zip through SMB1,2 and 3 like I used to.

    2. Re:Views of a 31 year old. by Domini · · Score: 1

      Just a little background:

      In Quake there is what originated as an anomaly in the physics/client-server control subsystems. It allows one to be able to move around at up to 3 times the speed of a normal player. It involves fluid continuous precice movement of the mouse and strafe-control and jumping at the same time. (I'm only able to achieve 90% of the top) This is important for controling the resources of a map in a 1v1 match. Needless to say it's non-trivial to master, and intentionally left in in all the Quake games.

      When I started playing competitively I was aware of some of the 'tricks', but did not realise their full potential until my first tournament game. Watching a good player play was incredible... he literally floated through a level with such speed and acuracy that I just knew what I wanted to be when I grow up... ;)

      One specific jump on a level reequired this technique and gave a significant advantage, so I practiced it there... needless to say that I tried 100s of times (being told the technique) and failed every time. I was starting to think it was impossible and just a side-effect of some setup variable in his configuration.... and then it happed...suddenly I was on the other side... I had no idea how it happened. It took me about 2 weeks of practice just to make it once and I could not remember doing anything any differently! I still don't know how I could NOT have made it, since at the moment I can do the jump 100% of the time (and much more things I thought were impossible) But it took me about a month before I could do it 1 out of 20, and another month 1 out of 5. Now it's just second nature.

      I showed this technique to a 15 year old friend of mine, and he got it right that same day. -sigh-

      Quake also has a technique called 'rocket-jumping' which is not really useful for 1v1 matches, but more just for fun. This I could do flawlessly, but nowadays I suffer. It's because I've played competitions too long, where control and accuracy are more important.

      This time of training to improve control past the known parameters of a game (kinda like in Matrix ala Douglas Hofstadter) is not present in any other 1st person shooter game, and Id software had by leaving it in all the successive versions of their games, made it into a skill you keep, and is not wasted when a newer version comes out.

      I take a long time to learn... I'm a slow learner. But I do tend to be a perfectionist, and I think this may be my saving grace.

      On a side note: I got through to the finals of our national Quake 3 competition last year, and had the furtune to play against our number one player (Ph4nt0m) whyo is one of the top players in the world, and I did quite well... I only lost 52 to 5. ;)

      It was like watching an acrobat perform... in the front row. I'm about 95% on my way there, but that last 5% I am unable to comprehend and achieve. I'm just glad I got this far before my arteries harden... -wink-

  16. Bah! by Dolemite_the_Wiz · · Score: 1

    I'm 30+ and I Own all in The Half-Life mod 'Day of Defeat'. I stopped playing regularly because I can't find good competition any more.

    Dolemite
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  17. Re:it's more casual after 30. Less gaming, more do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " It was really easy to do quality digital photography on the Mac."

    Keyword there is "was". There's nothing a mac can do that a winbox can't, and vice versa.

  18. Please by dswensen · · Score: 1

    Please, 30 is not "old" by any means.

    These guys should interview one of the guys at my workplace. He is over 50, married with a full-grown son, and is one of the most hardcore gamers I have ever seen. He has a house full of consoles, many of which I've never even heard of, and has "war stories" dating back to before I, as a considerably younger gamer, even HAD video games. And needless to say his reflexes, interest, etc. have not waned one bit. He's awesome, and could likely kick my ass at just about any game of my choosing.

    In fact, where I work, most of the people there are older than I am (I'm 30), and they're almost all hardcore gamers. The one twenty-something guy that just started is actually the worst gamer of the lot, and regularly gets razzed by the rest of the crew. So I really don't think age enters into it as much as the article may be implying.

    And, interestingly enough, there's only one guy there who's NOT married or with girlfriend. So much for that stereotype, too.

    But then you're not going to see any of these guys playing the latest Sonic game or Crash Bandicoot or anything either, so...

  19. Almost 30 by Zed2K · · Score: 1

    I had a big problem going from SNES to N64, dreamcast or playstation. The multiple buttons and 3d perspective really made games more difficult and confusing. The perspectives and graphics weren't good enough to trick my brain into thinking that way yet. Also being out of school and employeed leaves me with less time to actually play these days so my skill level and reflexes aren't anywhere near what they were when I was in school.

  20. Re:Yo, first sto0pid fuckin' post! by Master+Controll+Prog · · Score: 1

    jesus christ, you are an idi0t.

  21. Re:Yo, first sto0pid fuckin' post! by schmaltz · · Score: 1

    Jesus ain't no id10t, yew are! Yo' mama so fat, she wears army trucks instead of boots!

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  22. You have no idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am 42. I play games. I write games. Most of you have probably played games, recently, that have in them code, models and textures that I've created. I am whatever age I choose to be, until my body removes my ability to choose. Many people under 25 have associated my creativity and mental abilities with the biological age of my body. I have, and always will accept the advantages they then hand me, from their beliefs, as I step past them.

  23. Re:Yo, first sto0pid fuckin' post! by Master+Controll+Prog · · Score: 1

    oh, it's on!