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Piece of the Moon for Sale

Symon Gold writes "A desk set purportedly containing a piece of moon rock is up for auction at Lelands.com. Listing here. The New York Times (free registration required) has a story about the piece--a retirement gift given to Joe Healy, an engineer at NASA's Lunar Receiving Laboratory who worked on the Apollo missions and who died a decade ago. The auction runs until 9 p.m. on December 4th with an opening bid of $50,000."

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  1. Gonna go someday by Cap'nMike · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hope that in a few years the guy who buys this will be kicking himself for wasting money on a rock, instead of saving for a trip to the moon which could be practical in 10 years.

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    1. Re:Gonna go someday by John+Seminal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If this guy has over 50k to blow on a rock, he will have the money to go to the moon too. I would bet money he is an active supporter of space programs and exploration. We need more people like him.

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  2. My Moon Rocks?!?! by trotski · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The american public payed millions of dollars of taxes to send a man to the moon and bring back moon rocks. Therefore, I find it strange and wrong that moon rocks can be in private hands.

    Everybody paid to bring the rocks here, and therefore these rocks should belong to all American people, not to private owners.

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    1. Re:My Moon Rocks?!?! by mraymer · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I agree. I once read that NASA is very possessive of their lunar samples, and Universities have to really beg, plead, and fill out reams of paperwork to get a few grams worth.

      NASA calls lunar material priceless and so the first thing insurance companies ask them is how much would it cost to replace. So, NASA values it at the cost of sending up another Saturn V.

      This sample should have been donated to scientific research. The fact that it could end up in the hands of a private owner who will do no more than say, "Look at my moon rock!" is disturbing. The article has an image of the rock. It's hard to judge size in the image, but it's more than a few grams.

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    2. Re:My Moon Rocks?!?! by Czernobog · · Score: 4, Funny

      The spanish public payed millions of dubloons(?) of taxes to send a man to the Indies and bring back spices/riches/evidence of life/rocks. Therefore, I find it strange and wrong that spices/riches/evidence of life/rocks can be in private hands.

      Everybody paid to bring the spices/riches/evidence of life/rocks here, and therefore these spices/riches/evidence of life/rocks should belong to all Spanish people, not to private owners.


      Nevermind that Isabella ruthlessly stripped the Spaniards of their property at every opportune moment and with every handy excuse and that Colombus was Genoese....

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  3. profit.. by gl4ss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. take some dirt from your backyard.
    2. put it in a fancy glass thingy.
    3. sell it.
    4. PROFIT!!!!!

    this particular piece may be authentic but i'm pretty sure that somebody has done the 1.2.3.4 thing above for moonrocks. i mean, if there's something thats worthless as it is but worth something because it is there are people who will try to cheat out some of that cash going around. i mean at one point there was something like many tons of the cross that jesus carries in bible circulating around collectors, if somebody doesn't go to moon soon enough there will be such a situation in time with moonrocks as well(and probably will be anyways for the "ah but this is from the first mission" rocks).

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  4. eBay will not allow moon rock auctions. by localroger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They also disallowed auctions of all WTC memorabilia (even that ashtray you really bought there in 1982) shortly after 9/11, and auctions of anything even claiming to be Shuttle Columbia debris before most of it hit the ground.

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  5. Re:futurama quote by grub · · Score: 2, Funny


    Face it, the moon is a dump. It's a boring, dried up wasteland, and the only reason anybody ever comes here is for the tacky little amusement park.

    You mean like France and EuroDisney?

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  6. Scientists? by John+Seminal · · Score: 4, Funny
    In September, the United States returned to Honduras a Moon rock that President Richard M. Nixon gave the country in 1973, but that was later stolen and ended up with a dealer in Miami. Last year, three interns at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston stole a safe containing Moon rocks valued at $2.5 million to $7 million. The three pleaded guilty to the theft, and a conspirator, who offered the rocks for sale on the Internet, was convicted at a trial in June.

    Why do break in's always have Nixon's name somewhere in the paragraph?

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    1. Re:Scientists? by NortWind · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's an interesting story, but you've been given a version with a strange spin on it. The moon rock was given by Nixon, not to the country but to a military dictator the US supported, Gen. Osvaldo Lopez Arellano. That dictator didn't recogize it as being valuable, and gave it to one of his colonels. There it sat, in private hands, until a US business man, Alan Rosen, started snooping around. He eventually found the owner, and bought the rock for $50,000. He was pretty surprised to find out when he took the rock in to be viewed by a potential buyer that it was to be confiscated. You can read about it in some detail here and here.

  7. $50,000?? by edubarr · · Score: 3, Funny

    This makes the moon rock the most expensive paper weight ever!

  8. Re:50k desk? by youngerpants · · Score: 2, Funny

    Moon rocks do have magical properties, have you never seen Halloween 3

  9. Watch out! by JediTrainer · · Score: 2, Troll

    They better have been careful not to have taken that piece off of my land. I've got mineral rights, you know.

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  10. I'll be impressed by Pingular · · Score: 4, Funny

    if you can sell me some jupiter rock.

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    1. Re:I'll be impressed by tommy_teardrop · · Score: 3, Funny
      Jupiter Rock
      More Jupiter Rock
      Yet More Jupiter Rock

      If you can call Tori Amos rock, that is...


      I live my life in service to the God Jupiter, I think I should be able to make bad jokes about him.

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  11. Waste Of Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I predict that within 10 years Wal-Mart will carry moon rocks imported from the Chinese, who will have a mine on the moon by then and bring rock back by the ton. Get ready for "pet moon rocks" and "moon mood rings" on the shopping channel too.

  12. Real Estate for sale... by WaterDamage · · Score: 2, Funny

    HA! I can beat that offer, on E-bay I'm selling 1-acre lots on the moon starting at $20,000. Perfect for your next home building project. Building your next home on the moon has many perks: 1. No Pollution - at least not yet 2. No pollen - great for people with allergies 3. Spectacular views of the planet Earth with ocean front views. Mission to the moon, taxes, rocket fuel, and NASA clearence fee, building permit, and contractors to build you house, sold seperatly. Buy now and get 1000 free hours of AOL via satelite to planet Earth.

    1. Re:Real Estate for sale... by damien_kane · · Score: 2, Funny

      Building your next home on the moon has many perks:
      1. No Pollution - at least not yet

      That extra sunlight that we humans are accustomed to not really getting may be a bitch... mmm... cosmically irradiated french fries...

      2. No pollen - great for people with allergies
      Lots and Lots of dust... bad for people with allergies.

      3. Spectacular views of the planet Earth with ocean front views.
      Too late... I've already sold all the available land on the bright side of the moon... you get the dark side...

  13. It's all about the brand by sssmashy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    DeBeers claims that a "natural" diamond is worth much, much more than a visually indistinguishable and chemically identical diamond made in the lab last Tuesday. It is priceless simply because it came from deep inside the earth, formed by intense heat and pressure over millions of years.

    Similarly, a few tiny chunks of the moon are worth $50,000 while a chemically identical chunk of rock from Colorado (olivine, with traces of ilmenite and iron oxides) is basically worthless (maybe $5/ton if you bought itin bulk).It's all about the brand, baby. Symbolism sells.

    1. Re:It's all about the brand by Unregistered · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At least nobody was murdered and no revolutions occurred to get the moon rock.

    2. Re:It's all about the brand by S.Lemmon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      not really. First anyone can buy a natural diamond so they're hardly "priceless", and second DeBeers has artificially inflated the prices for years with their monopoly over the supply (diamonds are actually not nearly as rare as they'd like people to believe).

      Don't be fooled - DeBeers is scared sh*tless by the idea that jewel quality diamonds can now be manufactured! They look at artificial diamonds in much the same way Microsoft looks at Linux. At first despairingly, and then - as the threat becomes harder to ignore - with a massive FUD campaign aimed at convincing people artificial diamonds are somehow inferior.

    3. Re:It's all about the brand by AzureLunatic · · Score: 2, Insightful
      No one was murdered, no. (At least, not that I know of.)

      People did die, however. I'm not about to forget the loss of life involved in space exploration just because it's neat. I still think it's worth it; I would probably still think it was worth it even if my own boy grew up to be an astronaut and died because of it.

    4. Re:It's all about the brand by The_Laughing_God · · Score: 3, Interesting

      DeBeers [i]doesn't{/i] do business in the US. They did until a DoJ looked into anti-trust suit. Then they informed each of their American buyers that they would have to buy from an assigned agent in (usually) London. These agents are not employees of DeBeers but independent distributors who have agreed to undisclosed terms with DeBeers.

      It's not exactly a free trade purchase either. An American buyer must either buy the entire lot they are offered or decline it, with the clear threat that the agent won't bother making offers to them again, if they decline. Even though most American buyers have expressed a reticence to speak, because they might not be offered any more lots (I don't have any responsibility to offer to sell you anything, even if I offer it to your neighbor) a substantial body of disclosures and dealer complaints have built up over the decades.

      The thriving trade in diamonds between American dealers exists primarily because they can't choose to pick and choose what they buy from the agents, and are therefore forced to trade/buy the stones from their mixed lots to get the stones they want.

      How can they get away with this? A) through agreements and open market purchases, they control tha vast majority of the world's large lots; and B) they don't transact sales directly in the US, so our laws don't apply. They only directly transact in antions where the laws allow them to conduct business as they wish - generally small nations where their money and/or a strong local traditional diamond trade affords them considerable influence - and not just third world nations: they have a special status in the Netherlands, because Amsterdam has been a major diamond center for centuries.

    5. Re:It's all about the brand by Clay+Pigeon+-TPF-VS- · · Score: 2

      They are not allowed to operate directly. They use middlemen to get around the law. You see those advertisements on the tv saying that diamonds are forever (unless you burn them) because of that whole freedom of the press thing.

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    6. Re:It's all about the brand by the+unbeliever · · Score: 2, Funny

      That should be "bullshit is bullshit especially when it's called marketing"

  14. Mmm, rock by BabyDave · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does it have "The Moon" written all the way through?

  15. I presume, and so can you... by baileytal · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the description at the auction site:
    Molded into the [moon-rock shaped blob of] resin are presumably the tiny fragments and flecks found on the bottom of the Apollo 11 "rock boxes."
    Yeah, $50k USD for a blob of resin with some "presumable" tiny fragments of moon rock.

    To be fair, I think it would be fair to pay with 50 "presumable" $1000 bills encased in a big blob of resin shaped like a sucker.

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  16. Re:50k desk? by cfuse · · Score: 3, Funny
    Moon rock or not... it's dirt!

    Or cheese.

  17. Re:Legal? by slickwillie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is illegal to sell moon rocks, but not a desk that has a moon rock in it.

    Kind of like selling WMD to Iraq. You can't really sell finished nukes, bioweapons, or chemical agents, but you CAN sell all the ingredients as long as you include a statement like "don't mix 10 parts of XYZ to 3 parts ABC because that would make Sarin, and never, ever add water to the Anthrax spores".

  18. Re:50k desk? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why this human obsession with stuff from the ground? I'm more into digital rarities, like the newest game or software. That's what I value... not dirt, or minerals. But to each, their own, I guess, eh?

    How much is the lastest game from a decade ago worth? How much is a diamond or a pound of gold from a decade ago worth?

    Get it now?

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  19. Re:Why...? by Art+Tatum · · Score: 2, Funny

    Especially since his user name is 'trotski'. :-)

  20. Google NYT by Coneasfast · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those who do not want to register for NYT

    Here ya go

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  21. "the thats-an-expensive-piece-of-rock dept." ?!? by Art+Tatum · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm disappointed in you, Taco. How could you miss an opportunity to run "the own-a-piece-of-the-rock dept."?

  22. Sell quick before the market falls... by yiantsbro · · Score: 3, Funny

    So, sell now before the Chinese bring the stuff back in bulk and kill the market.

  23. Supply and demand. by AzureLunatic · · Score: 2, Informative
    Supply and demand. Big supply, low demand. Low supply, big demand. Low demand, low price. High demand, high price.

    See the thread involving DeBeers and artificially created diamond shortages.

    The US might do better to auction off a few small pieces to the highest bidders, if they were going to go that route for fundraising.

  24. Re:Legal? by MerlTurkin · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's illegal to sell NASA moon rocks brougth back from the Apollo missions. However, Lunar Meteorites are a different story. I have a 9mg piece of DAG 400 and there are others available on the market as well. Mars rock is also available, I have a 32mg piece of DAG 476 and a speck of Zagami. But beware who you buy your specimen(s) from. Learn who the legit dealers are. Do your homework first.

  25. dr jones time by cyrax777 · · Score: 2, Funny

    begin Indiana Jones mode "It belongs in a museum" end Indinana Jones mode

  26. Re:Legal? by kittenthief · · Score: 5, Interesting

    doing some further research I found this in a NASA newsletter...
    "The OIG's investigative arm conducts criminal and regulatory investigations in which NASA is a victim. Recently, we have investigated: MOON ROCKS Finally, in an ongoing investigation we seized a desk set that allegedly contained scraps of lunar material. The set, which was owned by a dealer in rare objects, had originally been given to a retiring NASA engineerin 1970. Against NASA policy, the engineer's coworkers had worked some scraps of lunar materials into the desk." Newletter HERE strange that its being acutioned, but NASA Seems to have previously confiscated it???? I know I won't be bidding...not that I could :))

  27. Lunar tourism in 10 years? Yeah right! by enosys · · Score: 2, Interesting
    That's silly. The chances of being able to buy a trip to the moon in 10 years are practically zero. The chances of anybody visiting the moon within the next 10 years are slim too.

    People have been talking about space tourism for a very long time but look at what's happened so far. Manned space travel is more or less at a standstill. Certainly there's technological potential for a lot more but it's just not happening.

  28. Old News... by windside · · Score: 3, Funny

    Man, three years ago I bought my Dad an acre of land on Io from a booth at the mall around Christmastime. It only cost me 10 bucks and it even came with a deed, although the guy printed that on-site with a shitty bubble jet.

    Either way, he was also selling pieces of the moon, but owning land on our moon is like owning a cabin in Aspen - it may have been cool 30 years ago, but not anymore. Jupiter's moons are the next big thing, man.

    [hmm... that post started and ended with "man"... maybe i need to get out more...]

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  29. Where is the moon peice? by t0ny · · Score: 2, Funny

    You would think that big piece of cheese in the desk would stink by now!

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  30. Re:private ownership?? by MrPerfekt · · Score: 3, Informative

    Didn't _anybody_ RTFA?

    It's a resin mold of a moon rock with "presumably" dust from the bottom of the box they were toted in. I shit you not, that's from the description (which you didn't read). So the title of the article is misleading which in turn is resulting in these screwed up comments.

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  31. Re:Moon rock is good by Erik+K.+Veland · · Score: 2, Funny

    Isn't it about time we change the name of that planet to end that stupid joke once and for all?

    I propose Urectum.

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